Leo Gura

Spiral Dynamics Stage Turquoise Examples Mega-Thread

512 posts in this topic

2 hours ago, Hello from Russia said:

Why do you think he is not fully turqoise+?

@Hello from RussiaBecause I don't  know enough  about this particular  stage(Turquoise) to make the case.😅

It is more due to my lack of knowledge  other than anything  else...as I have written before in my last post on this mega-thread:  my spiral wizardry  goes until vMEME  Yellow .

However,  I know for sure that he is solid vMEME Yellow because of his Integral Theory.

 

P.S: I realized that I have omitted  the word "not" in my last post. Making it seem like I understand  vMEME  Turquoise, which is definitely  not  the  case... 😅I'm sorry for  that.😅

Edited by Bernardo Carleial

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Jordan Peterson Stage Turquoise?

(I am not joking)

Listen to the full video please.

At 1:16 ''...Buddhist doctrine...there is no difference between you and what you experience..''

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 hours ago, Arcangelo said:
 

Jordan Peterson Stage Turquoise?

(I am not joking)

Listen to the full video please.

At 1:16 ''...Buddhist doctrine...there is no difference between you and what you experience..''

Saying a phrase associated with one stage like "Life is a dream" or "There is no difference between you and what you experience" doesn't mean that you have accessed or embodied it. See the person saying these words and recognize their being. Saying something is not being it.

"You are going where you are aiming" is understood by 1st tier stages.

Edited by Loving Radiance

"Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.”

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
9 hours ago, Loving Radiance said:

Saying a phrase associated with one stage like "Life is a dream" or "There is no difference between you and what you experience" doesn't mean that you have accessed or embodied it. See the person saying these words and recognize their being. Saying something is not being it.

"You are going where you are aiming" is understood by 1st tier stages.

JP has had awakening experiences.


To balance beauty and complexity so perfectly is a divine mystery.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:
 

JP has had awakening experiences.

A nice recontextualization.

 

Edit: Awakening can happen at any stage. It gets recontextualized by the pov which is based on values like described with SD.

Edited by Loving Radiance
Clarification

"Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.”

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Loving Radiance said:

A nice recontextualization.

What do you mean by that?


To balance beauty and complexity so perfectly is a divine mystery.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If JP was Turquoise, he wouldn't waste his time demonizing green and yellow.

Can't demonize something you integrated.


There is a candle in your heart, ready to be kindled
There is a void in your soul, ready to be filled

You feel it, don't you ? - Rumi

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, Rilles said:

 

Yep exactly.

I watched some videos on him, and I almost instantly saw that he was heavily stuck in an ideology he created for himself.

The first video I saw, one of his first sentence was like "and then we could stop with this nonsense" with a very condescending/bitter tone xD

So Turquoise, not possible, Yellow too, since it's only at that stage you deconstruct ideologies completely.


There is a candle in your heart, ready to be kindled
There is a void in your soul, ready to be filled

You feel it, don't you ? - Rumi

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, Shin said:

Yep exactly.

I watched some videos on him, and I almost instantly saw that he was heavily stuck in an ideology he created for himself.

The first video I saw, one of his first sentence was like "and then we could stop with this nonsense" with a very condescending/bitter tone xD

So Turquoise, not possible, Yellow too, since it's only at that stage you deconstruct ideologies completely.

He needs some work for sure. He could be such a sage if he just let go of the shadow he likes to go on about... Oh the irony. 


"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, Loving Radiance said:

Awakening can happen at any stage. It gets recontextualized by the pov which is based on values like described with SD.

Are all the videos here talking about awakening experiences and psychedelic trips actually just irrelevant then? All his Jungian talk, his book Maps of Meaning that integrates the shared values of all the different religious traditions (east and west) with western psychology and neuroscience, does all of that not have a slight tinge of holism in it?

His idea of God isn't merely pre-rational/traditionalist Christianity. He is more a religious pluralist with an affinity for Christianity (he is more like Rupert Sheldrake in that sense). There is a reason why rationalists get so uneasy when he starts talking about God and why they don't know if they should place him in the William Lane Craig theologian box or the Deepak Chopra woo-woo box. He is post-rational in that respect (and obviously lacking in other areas).


To balance beauty and complexity so perfectly is a divine mystery.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Are all the videos here talking about awakening experiences and psychedelic trips actually just irrelevant then? All his Jungian talk, his book Maps of Meaning that integrates the shared values of all the different religious traditions (east and west) with western psychology and neuroscience, does all of that not have a slight tinge of holism in it?

His idea of God isn't merely pre-rational/traditionalist Christianity. He is more a religious pluralist with an affinity for Christianity (he is more like Rupert Sheldrake in that sense). There is a reason why rationalists get so uneasy when he starts talking about God and why they don't know if they should place him in the William Lane Craig theologian box or the Deepak Chopra woo-woo box. He is post-rational in that respect (and obviously lacking in other areas).

He spoke with Ken Wilber a few times, but I think Ken Wilber was actually falling into his own pre-trans fallacy. JP's criticism's of Green are below it. He knows about post-rational concepts, but he's never actually taken the time to develop and become post-rational. He is a pre-rational sad fool.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

He spoke with Ken Wilber a few times, but I think Ken Wilber was actually falling into his own pre-trans fallacy. JP's criticism's of Green are below it. He knows about post-rational concepts, but he's never actually taken the time to develop and become post-rational. He is a pre-rational sad fool.

My point is you can have post-rational views in one domain (regarding the nature of God) and still fall into the trap of criticizing Green from below. You can't be a master in all areas. I mean, Ramaji and Ananda Devi voted for Trump...

Edited by Carl-Richard

To balance beauty and complexity so perfectly is a divine mystery.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

And Ken Wilber does make a distinction between waking up, growing up, and cleaning up.

Exactly.


To balance beauty and complexity so perfectly is a divine mystery.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

OSHO talking about the ideal society being with no classes, National borders world boundaries, which perfectly embodies TURQOISE, as the whole point of TURQOISE is that it's holistic

OSHO: What is the Need of Nations? - YouTube

Damn Link won't embed again!

Edited by Husseinisdoingfine

''To be happy we must not be too concerned with others''.

Albert Camus

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now