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NoFap - Why you should quit porn & masturbation !

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7 minutes ago, Everyday said:

Do you still get urges?

nope


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@ajasatya  I am wondering how long one must go till urges subside. At least in my last attempt from day 30 to day 33 the thought patterns and my energy levels were so f***ed up that I couldn't bear it. How long it took you for your mind to calm down and dopamine levels equalize?

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47 minutes ago, Vytas said:

@ajasatya  I am wondering how long one must go till urges subside. At least in my last attempt from day 30 to day 33 the thought patterns and my energy levels were so f***ed up that I couldn't bear it. How long it took you for your mind to calm down and dopamine levels equalize?

~2 months

i wouldn't have done it without a solid practice of hatha yoga/kundalini yoga/zazen


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@ajasatya thanks. Yeah I feel like some sort of outlet/ tool is needed. Some say that running has done that for them, others that interacting face to face with family members and friends more often. I can see the benefits of hatha yoga. Disturbances in dopamine levels do actually cause not only mental but also physical unease. I will add surya namaskar and some form of pranayama exercise to my routine and will reach for 60+ days :)

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Havent beat my meat since Friday. OH, btw, some funny lyrics:

I could fuck Beyonce but I'd rather use my hand, damn
Bitch I beat my meat I take my dick out on a date
I nut all up in my face, tryna' save the human race

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45 minutes ago, ajasatya said:

~2 months

i wouldn't have done it without a solid practice of hatha yoga/kundalini yoga/zazen

 I imagine your peyronie's disease had a lot to do with it too? 


"You can't handle the truth!" - Jack Nicholson --- Col. Nathan R. Jessep

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Just now, Truth said:

 I imagine your peyronie's disease had a lot to do with it too? 

exactly. after the surgery i had to spend 2 months without even having an erection otherwise it would screw up the stitches.

that's where the 2 months come from. i had no choice.


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On 5/9/2018 at 3:06 PM, ajasatya said:

exactly. after the surgery i had to spend 2 months without even having an erection otherwise it would screw up the stitches.

that's where the 2 months come from. i had no choice.

Talk about being forced to accept the call ;) lol

This is how I feel with nofap lately. It's just clear to me that if I want to achieve what I set out, I gotta cut off the PMO. 


"You can't handle the truth!" - Jack Nicholson --- Col. Nathan R. Jessep

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3 hours ago, Truth said:

Talk about being forced to accept the call ;) lol

This is how I feel with nofap lately. It's just clear to me that if I want to achieve what I set out, I gotta cut off the PMO. 

hm, my involvement with zen and yoga was already quite strong. accepting it all was not so hard. the hard part was actually doing it, learning how to attain domain over the monkey mind...


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Hey, its midway through my challenge and my update look terrible, but its packed with insights. I relapsed MO several times, and enough awareness of that has made me see through it. But one thing remained, nagging the fuck out of my mind, the P.

Disclaimer: I did not relapse with MO during this session, and honestly, my awareness has gotten me to the holy point of me not being able to justify and let myself MO again. This session was all about shining awareness on the P.

I read the guidelines, considering that I would paste my notes without the graphic descriptions but as im not going against the guidelines (If I really do, then this is a sweet goodbye), I find that some of you might find this valuable. Im posting this out of lack of compelling reasons not to, here in the NoFap discussion.

"Initial, direct:" is graphic, "Aftermath (Insights):" Has most of the insights. You have been warned.

 

2018-05-12

Read everytime you want to fap/watch porn (If you don't read this before relapsing, you're pathetic).

Watched porn with as much awareness as I could (BinarualB to keep me aware). I chose by intuition to watch porn, not by raw desire. I wanted to see trough the porn once and for all, to wipe the slate clean for my decisions to come.

  • Initial, direct:
  • Heart pounding, fatigue in the eyes by keeping them open to not miss out on anything while im scrolling.
  • Nothing does get better than an orgasm, so the porn was not hiding any superior ecstasy (As my mind deceived me into believing)
  • Very low consciousness is required to be able to create this kind of art.
  • It's made to appeal to your natural evolution only.
  • I got addicted to this, and could not snap out of it. It was because of the circumstances, I had nothing better.
  • What was I searching for, ecstasy?
  • MO is all there is, there is nothing more to the pleasure unless you have sex (by contrast)
  • Flatten the illusion in order to see trough any fantasy. Your awareness knows how it feels. Flatten out everything to how it "feels".
  • I see trough the game the mind is playing on me, and what hooks all unconscious people.
  • Even if I see my wildest fantasy on picture, I can see through it.
  • The only thing that remains is lingering dopamine that comes when I keep scrolling.
  • There is no place for porn. I should have sex. If the pleasure of sex is the only true thing, then go shine your awareness on that. It's a good experience, but it won't last forever, it's very low on the list.
  • Out of libido for this, after 25 minutes, im just scrolling, no dopamine, no pleasure. Every time I see something erotic, my heat starts pounding - dopamine for me to fap. I already know what will come after fapping, and I know the side effects and cravings that follow. I see it all trough.
  • Time goes by pretty fast, like playing good video games. Though im not experiencing as much initial dopamine from the video games, though the cravings are revealing that.
  • I deceived myself into preferring futanari over heterosexual, as I painted a picture of a dickgirl always experiencing ungodly pleasure, as opposed to men (my pleasure). This makes it all too hot, as it's not only a female body replacing the man and the role of the man, but she is experiencing much more pleasure aswell.
  • I wanted to pleasure the "girl" (Female body, male genitalia) by stroking her dick (imaging it). That was the problem,  by the clever artistry, it looked like the "girl" had an unmeasurably good time.
  • I want to pleasure her! That's a great pleasure for a man, so I feel lots of dopamine is being released when I see (an imaged scenario) of her getting pleasured. (Applies to a static pose-picture, where you commonly fantasize your own scenario out of that one picture).
  • When I look at the hottest porn of women and men playing, I really get turned on, to fap, and it's endless. Futanari is trash, once you see through it. (But I really want to fap to that scenario!) And this is the trap.
  • When you don't see the woman enjoying herself when she should, you release more dopamine to fuck her harder. (That is why it's really hot (for me) to see or fantasize women going trough an orgasm without even flinching.)
  • I like to see the "girl" surrendering to anal pain while simultaneously experiencing dick pleasure. (But how does that feel)?

Aftermath (Insights):

  • Your screen gets to be your heroin, and you got no energy for anything else.
  • Find a real girl, anything sexual other than that will lead you nowhere, but depression (considering that you have a decent relationship).
  • I feel very drained, almost like wanting to sleep. Worse than orgasming for sure.
  • I will get cravings and urges.
  • The source of the "bringing enjoyment to the woman (in porn) trap", is thinking that the woman is gonna be experiencing some kind of nondual ecstasy, so your urge (dopamine) to pleasure her becomes greater. Be real, it's exactly like a male orgasm, and so you don't really want to engage her into such an addiction.
  • Now when I think of anything else than porn, there is no pleasure in it! Pleasure, pleasure everywhere (trough sex, nothing else.) My mind is very deceiving.
  • Anytime I try to think of pleasure, sex comes up, the artistry of my fetishes, etc, and if I give in, my penis gets hard (of natural response, cant control it), and so goes the addiction loop.
  • I have seen trough the pleasure part of porn, and I know how it's playing out and going on. I know what the consequences of PMO is, and thus why, I will stop and eliminate it. There is much better stuff out there, much better. My intuition knows that, but my dirty mind tries to deny that, precisely so that it can maintain the porn homeostasis.
  • Giving into fantasies is like watching the porn. I notice the most exquisite of the porn images flashing before me actively, but if I don't give in to the fantasy, nothing happens. Trying to "see trough it" is like visualizing having sex, which gives you blue balls. Just trust your prior awareness that there is nothing to receive from fantasizing thus PMO. Trust that the greatness lies completely beyond that, so don't even analyze it. This was the purpose of fapping with awareness, seeing trough the "secret ecstasy of PMO" so that you can see that it's just completely worthless, thus you will be able to quit cold turkey.
  • It was worth it doing this with awareness. If I would not, then it would be much easier for my mind to deceive me into thinking that porn would be the "holy grail of pleasure", and so I would make it much harder for me to resist for the required period. Now that I have introduces my awareness into the equation, I feel like I much easier can deny the offer (im not missing out on anything).
  • Rewire, higher your baseline, and forget about all this heroin.

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@Ether same... Except for needing less sleep (or struggling more to get to sleep and waking the same time) 

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How many days it last?? @John Iverson

On 5/28/2018 at 4:20 PM, John Iverson said:

I relapsed bro!! HAHAHAHAHA SHIIIIIT!! 

 

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