Islam vs actualized.org

[abc123]

16 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Islam is designed for pre-rational minds.

Actualized.org is designed for post-post-rational minds.

In a certain sense it is easier to be happy as a pre-rational mind. Then again, if you think Muslims are truly happy, you are kidding yourself.

Why would muslims or christian or atheists they not be happy? Many of them seem happy. and that without doing any epistemology, meditation, consciousness work, philosophy, etc. 

Of coursem many of them are miserable and defensive as well. But people who are into philosophy/consciousness stuff can be just as miserable. 

 

[Thought Art]

“Islam can be summarized in three sentences: Be with the Creator, without creation. Be with creation, without ego. Wish for others what you wish for yourself.”

— Shaykh Zakariya al-Siddiqui

I’ve been listening to a book about Islam. Islam is more advanced than @Leo Gura is giving credit for. It’s right about god, self purification and many things. It seems self aware from this book, that there is a difference between the religion and the truth. I suspect not all muslims are as advanced as the author of the book I listen to. 
 

The core of islam’s understanding of God is essentially true. People have many views about Islam but we wouldn’t have modern science without Islamic scholars. 
 

There are many Muslim mystics which are great and an abundance of love and wisdom is Islam. 
 

Saying it’s designed for pre-rational minds is not the take away I’m getting from this audiobook..

Edited 13 hours ago by Thought Art

[Leo Gura]

10 hours ago, abc123 said:

Why would muslims or christian or atheists they not be happy? Many of them seem happy. and that without doing any epistemology, meditation, consciousness work, philosophy, etc. 

Because they are zombies.

[iamlite]

Higher consciousness brings a new space of deeper feeling and happiness 

If you want Infinite Love, then you need post-rational teachings

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

On 10. 8. 2026 at 9:21 PM, LordFall said:

You make some good meta points I think you're correct that specifically stage green is not a viable structure for a group to operate in long term. We are basically in the west already half living in a stage green society. That's what the whole DEI movement is based on. Feelings, inclusivity, reducing competition, etc. It's still split between orange and blue but there have been plenty of pure stage green organizations and groups that form in the form of hippie communes or intentional communities and they always fall apart because fundamentally stage green is anti logic due to its rejection of stage orange and thus throws the baby out with the bathwater with structures that work.

Communism is the best example where it's a purely untenable idea and stage red/blue leaders co-opt the philosophical frame work to create states with it like the USSR and Cuba and end up killing the idealists that originally championed those thoughts. 

Yup, that is correct. I wish I had something significant to add to that, but not really. Honestly all time spent discussing or even thinking about stage green is a time wasted (unless picking certain limited aspects of it, and implementing it to make stage blue and stage orange better), so my point wasn't about bashing stage green, but rather the point was broader; as mentioned above. At this point I am pretty familiarized with the entire stage green, and overall that whole stage is just enormous failure imo, from a societal standpoint. But stage orange and blue definitely can get better; billionaires, elites and goverments could be less greedy and not only focused on growth by any means necessary (which is a number 1 reason for the declining birth rate, the number 2 being wokiesm), etc. There are more ways in which these stages can be improved upon, but I'm not sure or I'm too biased to know for sure

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