Islam vs actualized.org

[LordFall]

2 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Seems like you want to discuss this from an individual POV, as in, which lifestyle do you think is better, rather than from a societal/political point of view, considering we are in the societal/political section, it might make sense to focus on the latter.

The meat of the matter really, is that human secular societies (actualized.org is completely irrelevant in this instance, and always will be) are fundamentally unsustainable. Secularism is essentially a bullish bet on human individualism and technological progress, which are suppose to replace the void of killing a God/Gods. But if you let humans do whatever they want to do without any sort of cultural or religious pressure, what will happen is that humans will slowly make themselves extinct. And I don't see "stage green" having any answer to this issue whatsoever at all, in fact "stage green" society is impossible (and funny thing is, you can't actually prove me WRONG if you think otherwise lol). That is not to say that you should be in awe, or automatically subscribe to "stage blue" either, but "stage blue" is where the true sustainability of any civilization is at. And I mean, prove me wrong. You can't

You make some good meta points I think you're correct that specifically stage green is not a viable structure for a group to operate in long term. We are basically in the west already half living in a stage green society. That's what the whole DEI movement is based on. Feelings, inclusivity, reducing competition, etc. It's still split between orange and blue but there have been plenty of pure stage green organizations and groups that form in the form of hippie communes or intentional communities and they always fall apart because fundamentally stage green is anti logic due to its rejection of stage orange and thus throws the baby out with the bathwater with structures that work.

Communism is the best example where it's a purely untenable idea and stage red/blue leaders co-opt the philosophical frame work to create states with it like the USSR and Cuba and end up killing the idealists that originally championed those thoughts. 

[Joseph Maynor]

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