Who Wants Actualized Psychedelic Retreats?

[Yimpa]

Plot twist:

I AM DUH PSYCHEDELIC

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[ROOBIO]

Defo interested, would love to attend this. I have 5 MeO but to scared to do it alone

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

Sure.

However, what I am saying is that what you experience makes all the difference. Ignoring that would be a mistake.

And what I said above is that enlightenment isn't an experience nor a state change. The difference is like being bored at one time, and hungry at another. No difference in that these are experiences. Now apply that to your state changes.

[Hojo]

4 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

I could barely buy the book list after being on my wishlist for 6 years. For some reason I never had money left in my pockets at the end of the month to be able to buy the book list without taking money away from groceries. 

Let alone flying to Vegas. I'd have to sell my house just to afford a plane ticket and a visa, + costs for food and hotels while staying in Vegas. 

If I had money I'd join you guys just to befriend you IRL, because here I have 0 friends and I feel very lonely. 

But I'd never take psychedelics. I'm totally against them. I believe that psychedelics are  a corruption element on my ability to have accurate sense making of reality.

I live by the principle that you can only have an accurate, truthful worldview and sense making of reality by being 101% sober. 

In my eyes there is no way of making accurate sense of the world and reality while you are high on psychedelics. To me psychedelics are like pouring gasoline on the fire that is self deception. 

It is just my take, don't take this personally, do as many psychedelics you want. But I'll never try them. I'm all or nothing. I'm either doing spirituality the most hard core possible in a sober manner, or not at all. 

You arent trying to make sense of the world you are trying to see something specifically.

Its like turning from an adult to a baby in 5 seconds. When this happens you can see something that was always there but you didnt notice. If you see it your brain explodes.

Why not just admit you are scared you will go insane? Scared of losing control. Scared of God!

Edited yesterday at 06:34 PM by Hojo

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, AION said:

@Schizophoniait is hard to recognize autism, if you have autism yourself........ hence the condition

I'm not autistic at all.

[Nemra]

@UnbornTao, have you become enlightened?

If so, do you really think that you would have been able to do it if you were in pain most of the time.

I hope you understand that certain things are not possible to do in certain states.

Edited yesterday at 06:55 PM by Nemra

[EdgeGod900]

This is cool, but have super tight security and safety measures; there are some real pieces of work in this forum.

[Jodistrict]

2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Sure, but not just me. So are Ramana, Ralston, Adi Da, Meher Baba, and Ken Wilber - for a reason. The destruction of the universe would still be irrelevant when it comes to enlightenment. So why would changing the chemicals in your brain be any different?

I'm afraid buying into this belief is just a mistake born of having had moving experiences and dramatically unusual changes of state. No state is direct consciousness, it is only a state, no matter how grand or exciting or mind blowing it is. Altering the brain can't produce enlightenment - what it does is change its activity. In essence, it's not much different from getting drunk, hitting your head on the bathroom counter, or falling in love - they're experiences. This is not enlightenment no matter how much people want it to be.

I have tended to find this to be true.  I have taken Bufo many times over a 5 year period and it gives mind blowing experiences.  But an experience no matter how intense is just an experience and the next day becomes a memory.  There is no particular value to having a mystical experience.  I heard in an interview with Shinzen Young that he has been working with scientists on TMS or Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation, as a possible technical boost to enlightenment.   He says that psychedelics don’t have the industrial strength nor precision to target the relevant brain areas.  If psychedelics worked, everyone would be enlightened by now. 

However, I am open minded, so potentially interested in learning more details on a seminar.   If there was a way to use psychedelics as a technical boost that would make subsequent spiritual practice more productive, even that modest goal would be highly valuable.

[Daniel Balan]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

You arent trying to make sense of the world you are trying to see something specifically.

Its like turning from an adult to a baby in 5 seconds. When this happens you can see something that was always there but you didnt notice. If you see it your brain explodes.

Why not just admit you are scared you will go insane? Scared of losing control. Scared of God!

I'm not scared of God, I'm scared of the Devil masquerading as God. In an essence, that's my view on psychedelics, just the devil luring you with those substances deeper and deeper into self deception and fantasy. 

I don't take seriously any teaching that is derived off taking psychedelics. You can't know God if you had a foreign substance interfering with your brain and sense making. The same way you can't drive properly while under the influence of alcohol. 

What if all you experience while on a psychedelic trip are just tricks those substances play on your psyche? 

I once had a friend that ate poisonous mushrooms from the forest and he was in a comma in the hospital. When he came back from the hospital he said that he was in heaven and he was there with Jesus and angles. That was the definitive moment that made me abhor psychedelic substances. It's just fantasy and illusion. No more real than the dreams one has when he sleeps.

 

 

[Hojo]

@Daniel Balan It dosent matter if the devil enters you. you are trying to see the thing in which the devil enters into. You can see it with very fast changes in conciousness. Which is what you are taking them to see. You will see what the Christians are calling the devil is God. And Christianity is the devil and you will be freed from authority. Thats what you are scared of.

Edited yesterday at 07:52 PM by Hojo

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

@Daniel Balan Drugs cannot produce direct consciousness

So silly and false.

4 hours ago, Basman said:

How much would this cost to attend you think?

Around $1500 is my goal.

But this is still under investigation. It depends on how many people will attend.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Jodistrict said:

He says that psychedelics don’t have the industrial strength nor precision to target the relevant brain areas. 

Lol

These people are such fools.

Edited yesterday at 08:11 PM by Leo Gura

[theoneandnone]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I am not against workshops and seminars. There is much value in them if done right. Ralston does very good workshops, for example.

I do want to teach more in-person. Making videos all the time gets isolating. Too much time spent online is not good.

You need to do more debates on YouTube.

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, theoneandnone said:

You need to do more debates on YouTube.

I will do more of that as I get more time.

It has been an issue of time and health for me. Now that my health has improved I can do more things.

Edited yesterday at 08:24 PM by Leo Gura

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Leo Gura making MOVES
That's awesome and exciting news! 

[Nemra]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Now that my health has improved I can do more things.

It's nice to hear that.

Psychedelics also?

Edited yesterday at 08:32 PM by Nemra

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Nemra said:

Psychedelics also?

This retreat is not for me to trip.

[Daniel Balan]

45 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Daniel Balan It dosent matter if the devil enters you. you are trying to see the thing in which the devil enters into. You can see it with very fast changes in conciousness. Which is what you are taking them to see. You will see what the Christians are calling the devil is God. And Christianity is the devil and you will be freed from authority. Thats what you are scared of.

Bro, you won't find on this forum a person that is more hateful towards religion and Christianity than me. When I say the word devil I say the word corruption and falsehood. I abhor religion with every fiber of my being. I just happen to think that psychedelics are similar to religion. I hate giving my power away to external substances or human constructed fantasies( when it comes to religion). I want to discover God using my very own cognition and power of my mind, not to surrender my ability to observe reality to a mind altering psychedelic. The problem I have with psychedelics is that they alter and change my consciousness for me, when I should do that using my own mind. I hate having others(or other substances) do the job that I am supposed to do.

[Vibes]

27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Around $1500 is my goal.

But this is still under investigation. It depends on how many people will attend.

I know this kind of thing is invaluable, but there it goes my hope of attending haha

It would be way too expensive for me to fly to the us + this amount. But also, on the other hand it might be a good thing, because if you are broke like that you should be focusing on other things before, right?

[Hojo]

@Daniel BalanFair enough