Who Wants Actualized Psychedelic Retreats?

[zurew]

Now it makes sense why the dude calls others 'rats'.

Its the perfect opportunity to use actualizers as lab-rats to check in action the effects of the completely new research chemical and frame it as an opportunity.

Earn money + collect data - double win.

[Jowblob]

On 10/3/2025 at 4:42 PM, Yimpa said:

I cannot join physically. But I can join via telepathy, free of charge! 

I'm interested as well, Just say time and date i will join astrally 

[Rigel]

6 hours ago, Zen LaCroix said:

Good luck with that. It might take some time for people to get comfortable

We've been watching you on youtube for years. You're at the cutting edge of your field not another random youtube prankster or fitness influencer either

People are flying out and paying a good chunk of money and giving up their time to do this work but also to see you. They may want God-Realization but they're also coming for you. It's just the truth

This is not some Vipassana retreat where Vipassana is the brand. You are the brand

Leo will probably weed out the fangirls & the dumb worshipers. It’s very easy to determine who isn’t mature enough to trip. Leo can just say no go eat your bread crust & come back. I assume people are dumb but not enough to buy a plane ticket before being admitted into the retreat.

[Daniel Balan]

47 minutes ago, zurew said:

Now it makes sense why the dude calls others 'rats'.

Its the perfect opportunity to use actualizers as lab-rats to check in action the effects of the completely new research chemical and frame it as an opportunity.

Earn money + collect data - double win.

Bro you take Leo for a sleazy salesman which I bet my life on the line that he is not that. 

That is something that Adrew Tate would do, but not Leo. I'm 10000% sure that he will never use his audience as his guinea pig. 

[UnbornTao]

16 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

Bro you take Leo for a sleazy salesman which I bet my life on the line that he is not that. 

That is something that Adrew Tate would do, but not Leo. I'm 10000% sure that he will never use his audience as his guinea pig. 

I thought he was being sarcastic.

[zurew]

I was half-joking.

I dont think he cares much about money, but I personally dont think its responsible to test a new chemical with your audience, where you dont even know your audience.

Like you wont filter all mentally unstable and schizo people with an interview. I expect some wild shit to happen there, I dont think most actualizers are properly grounded.

 

[Peo]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

On weed I trip so deep that I access supernatural diety consciousness.

I wish weed had that effect. Weed for me is incredibly weak even with high THC concentrations and 0 tolerance. Meanwhile a low dose of shrooms takes me to Narnia. 
 

[UnbornTao]

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All consciousness is mediated by chemicals.

If you think otherwise you are wrong. And whatsmore chemicals are creating your wrongness.

You can't say consciousness is absolute and then attribute to it relative features and dependencies, as if it were a process. You're talking about awareness or cognition, that's where drugs have their effect. Consciousness itself isn't mediated by anything, because it isn't relative, or an activity.

Do you think Ramana would be less conscious if he were drunk, had dementia, or a brain tumor? His consciousness would remain unmoved and untouched by drugs as well.

That's why I said it's prior to the brain. Even death itself would make no difference to it - so much for mediation.

Edited Wednesday at 11:51 PM by UnbornTao

[Ero]

[zurew]

26 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Do you think Ramana would be less conscious if he were drunk, had dementia, or a brain tumor? His consciousness would remain unmoved and untouched by drugs as well.

Leo does this unfortunately a lot - where he equivocates. As far as I understand, he uses two different notions of consciousness. Under one notion, its a property agents can have (which makes it possible to apply the norm  "more and less" to it  - generally goes for what and how much you are aware of ), and under the second notion: you cant have it, because 1) its not a property, 2) because you are it,  its basically the thing you are describing.

These are clearly two very different things and should be named differently.

[Jodistrict]

I am wondering how you get around the Federal Analogue Act which specifically targets "designer drugs".  It treats chemical analogs as if they were the original controlled substance.  

[- Adam -]

What got you to set this in motion @Leo Gura?

Intuition? a desire for connection? Inspiration from other teachers?

[vibv]

3 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

You can't say consciousness is absolute and then attribute to it relative features and dependencies, as if it were a process. You're talking about awareness or cognition, that’s where drugs have their effect. Consciousness itself isn't mediated by anything, because it isn't relative, or an activity.

Do you think Ramana would be less conscious if he were drunk, had dementia, or a brain tumor? His consciousness would remain unmoved and untouched by drugs as well.

That's why I said it's prior to the brain. Even death itself would make no difference to it - so much for mediation.

Consciousness is a Process. The Process of Processes. The Movement of Movements. Sat Chit Ananda—Being, Consciousness, Eternal Bliss. That order is not random in any way, shape or form.

You could also call it:

Sat — TRUTH
Chit — CONSCIOUSNESS
Ananda — LOVE

Immovable Truth meets Unstoppable Force, which turns out to be CONSCIOUSNESS, like rivers meeting a mountain. It turns TRUTH INTO LOVE! It is Divine Alchemy. THAT is what that Process is.

Edited Wednesday at 05:32 PM by vibv

[Yimpa]

4 hours ago, Peo said:

I wish weed had that effect. Weed for me is incredibly weak even with high THC concentrations and 0 tolerance. Meanwhile a low dose of shrooms takes me to Narnia. 

Do whatever works for you.

A peanut butter jelly sandwich can make a child enter into a state of joy, while that same sandwich will land me in the ER or worse. 

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, what makes a deity a deity from your experience?

It's refreshing to know that deities could be experienced. Though, people are too eager to make up and hold beliefs about deities and be attached to them, which makes me discard them.

Beliefs of deities are thought to be unique, as if there couldn't be even slightly different from the "original". But if deities do exist, I think they have to be of infinite kind and all of them equally true and original, which makes worshipping and forming beliefs about one or a few of them nonsense, right?

Edited Wednesday at 07:14 PM by Nemra

[Willie]

1 hour ago, Yimpa said:

Do whatever works for you.

A peanut butter jelly sandwich can make a child enter into a state of joy, while that same sandwich will land me in the ER or worse. 

🙁

Aren’t allergies just limiting beliefs? 🤔

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

You can't say consciousness is absolute and then attribute to it relative features and dependencies, as if it were a process. You're talking about awareness or cognition, that’s where drugs have their effect. Consciousness itself isn't mediated by anything, because it isn't relative, or an activity.

No. I am not talking about cognition. I am talking about Absolute Consciousness.

Chemicals is a relative notion, as is brain damage, but if I hit you over the head with a hammer you will lose consciousness. This does not contradict the absoluteness of Consciousness. Consciousness is entangled with the physical world. What you do in the physical world affects your consciousness. If that wasn't true then no spiritual practices would work.

You can't claim spiritual practices work but that chemicals don't. Spiritual practices ARE chemicals.

8 hours ago, zurew said:

Now it makes sense why the dude calls others 'rats'.

Its the perfect opportunity to use actualizers as lab-rats to check in action the effects of the completely new research chemical and frame it as an opportunity.

Earn money + collect data - double win.

I am not testing it on you. I will test it on myself and others before I offer it to you.

This is what pinoeering a field entails. This is how new stuff gets created.

If you don't like experimental work and you want proven dogma, you don't need to participate.

And yes, I am doing research and science. I don't need to be part of academia to do science. I will do science however I want. I understand the field of psychedelics better than any academic.

3 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

I am wondering how you get around the Federal Analogue Act which specifically targets "designer drugs".  It treats chemical analogs as if they were the original controlled substance.  

It won't fall under the Analogue Act. Not everything is an analogue.

Edited Wednesday at 07:21 PM by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, - Adam - said:

What got you to set this in motion @Leo Gura?

Intuition? a desire for connection? Inspiration from other teachers?

I'm not sure.

I like inventing new things. I also want to do more than online videos. I have mastered online videos so it doesn't excite me like it used to. I'm a mind that requires innovation to be satisfied.

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura, what makes a deity a deity from your experience?

It's refreshing to know that deities could be experienced. Though, people are too eager to make up and hold beliefs about deities and be attached to them, which makes me discard them.

Beliefs of deities are thought to be unique, as if there couldn't be even slightly different from the "original". But if deities do exist, I think they have to be of infinite kind and all of them equally true and original, which makes worshipping and forming beliefs about one or a few of them nonsense, right?

I am not claiming dieties exist per se. I am saying there is a domain of consciousness which is so supernatural that I call it diety consciousness, for lack of a better description. It is hard to explain because the human mind cannot imagine it.

Edited Wednesday at 07:51 PM by Leo Gura

[Vibes]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I am not claiming dieties exist per se. I am saying there is a domain of consciousness which is so supernatural that I call it diety consciousness, for lack of a better description. It is hard to explain because the human mind cannot imagine it.

If deities exist then anything else that people say might too.

I have a witch neighbor, he seems to get possessed by spirits, I only hear the music and sometimes he screaming. But his religion is something related to voodoo, I don't know the right word or equivalent outside Brazil and Africa. 

Now I have to consider how lost in his self delusions he is before believing other evil or good entities exist and inhabit his mind, and in his case he doesn't seem very bright and conscious.

I know another guy, he's in his 70's. He's much more wise and conscious than my neighbor. He's into yoga, astral projection and all. He said he sees entities, and there's an evil one that comes after him sometimes, a 7 meters tall black figure. I know his wiser, but he could be delusional also. 

How the fuck do I know what is real or not? I have never seen or spoke without a doubt with other entities invisible to me... So I guess they are not real to me.

[Nemra]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I am not claiming deities exist per se. I am saying there is a domain of consciousness which is so supernatural that I call it deity consciousness, for lack of a better description.

I would say if you don't experience and only have beliefs about deities, then they aren't actual deities. It should come from experience, otherwise, they are just beliefs.

So, if you actually experience something that more or less reflects some word, don't you have the say what the word means assuming that you haven't held beliefs about it?