Who Wants Actualized Psychedelic Retreats?

[Jannes]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

No different than an ayahuasca retreat.

It will work on most people. But there could be a few genetic freaks on whom it fails to work. There is no way to ensure against this other than trial.

I see ..

You talked about how weed blew you away way more then 5meo though which is a very different experience from most people. I dont know about this chemical but if its openly availabe and if you are one of a few people who discovered it, it would suggest that most people wont experience the same effect. So maybe ask a few people on their experience beforehand. 

Edited Thursday at 01:34 AM by Jannes

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Jannes said:

I see ..

You talked about how weed blew you away way more then 5meo though which is a very different experience from most people. I dont know about this chemical but if its openly availabe and if you are one of a few people who discovered it, it would suggest that most people wont experience the same effect. So maybe ask a few people on their experience beforehand. 

Don't worry, all that is being considered.

[ZenSwift]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Stop promoting this idea. This goes against everything I teach.

Sorry Leo, my intention was to spread humour. I can understand that this can be way too serious of a thing for to even joke about for you, given your position of influence. 

 

@Zen LaCroix(My phone won't stop tagging you when I make a reply in this thread sorry) 

 

[Leo Gura]

@ZenSwift It is humor that gives ammunition to people who want to demonize this work.

This work has enemies who will look for any reason to demonize it.

When you guys treat me in a worshipping way it makes the work look bad and I am blamed for it even though I never wanted it.

This work is about developing total mental autonomy.

Edited Thursday at 03:29 AM by Leo Gura

[ZenSwift]

31 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@ZenSwift It is humor that gives ammunition to people who want to demonize this work.

This work has enemies who will look for any reason to demonize it.

When you guys treat me in a worshipping way it makes the work look bad and I am blamed for it even though I never wanted it.

This work is about developing total mental autonomy.

In this case then, I don't mind hiding the posts and wiping the image completely from this site. 

[pursuitofspirit]

I'm interested in attending.

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I channeled the deity Vishnu last fall during a "psychotic" break. It was like i was possessed by him. I was mind blown and still am thinking back on it.

To me deities are like certain frequencies you can tap into / access. 

[Zen LaCroix]

5 hours ago, ZenSwift said:

@Zen LaCroix

 

This is literally going to be the first hour:

 

Followed by cries that look like timestamp 3:00

 

 

 

 

Yep its gonna be just like this 🤣 

Leo might even find his wife from one of these retreats

[Leo Gura]

Humans cannot help but worship celebrities. It's such rat-like behavior and even when you tell them to stop they cannot do it. And regardless of whether you act arrogant or humble they will still do it.

The celebrity dynamic is corruption.

Edited Thursday at 04:49 AM by Leo Gura

[Twentyfirst]

Will there be a recording of the event for sale? Not where you can see the crowd for their privacy but we just see you

Why don't you hold the event in a location that has legalized all of the chemicals? Aren't there some states in the USA that allows it. Or like Portugal? Decriminalized places

Edited Thursday at 06:14 AM by Twentyfirst

[OBEler]

Leo, can you make a list of your videos which should be known in theory for your retreat?

I remember you said how important it is to connecting the dots so you can reach god consciousness. And theory helps to understand and connecting the dots. You have so many advanced videos on this topic, which should be really known in theory. 

[zurew]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This is what pinoeering a field entails. This is how new stuff gets created.

No this is not how responsible pioneering works.

No amount of you taking psychedelics affords you the necessary knowledge to give you the health check list that needs to be checked before an individual takes the substance.  You are very obviously conflating being a master at tripping with being an expert in knowing how different chemicals can affect the health of individuals.

Like imagine if your approach was applied to anything medicine related on a global scale " I have no domain knowledge when it comes to medicine , but bro I tried this new pill on myself and it had no negative effect therefore from that I can safely infer that the rest of the population can take it as well, but to be 100% sure, let me do an interview before I give you the pill"

 

Yes you need data to check whats up, but you need domain knowledge to have good inferences about what will probably happen once the given drug is used and you will make bad and unreliable inferences and predictions if you dont have domain knowledge.

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Humans cannot help but worship celebrities. It's such rat-like behavior and even when you tell them to stop they cannot do it. And regardless of whether you act arrogant or humble they will still do it.

The celebrity dynamic is corruption.

You contributed a lot to this dynamic, by making yourself to be special and an individual who is more conscious than everyone else.

Edited Thursday at 06:50 AM by zurew

[Davino]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Words can only do so much, which is why I like the idea of chemical retreats. The real work is in the chemicals, not in my talking. The chemical can show you what words never can.

And that's exactly why in the future I decided not to teach metaphysics but to guide people's trips. I just didn't want to go through the ordeal of dealing with humans regarding Truth and Consciousness, but on the other hand I have so much to value to give. In the LP I discovered that doing psychedelic retreats for other people is something I'm passionate about and a very efficient vehicle for delivering insights and Awakenings. So excited to learn as well from your experience in this domain.

[Leo Gura]

23 minutes ago, OBEler said:

Leo, can you make a list of your videos which should be known in theory for your retreat?

I remember you said how important it is to connecting the dots so you can reach god consciousness. And theory helps to understand and connecting the dots. You have so many advanced videos on this topic, which should be really known in theory. 

I will give you all the necessary theory at the retreat. Don't worry about it.

19 minutes ago, zurew said:

Like imagine if your approach was  applied to anything medicine related on a global scale " I have no domain knowledge when it comes to medicine , but bro I tried this new pill on myself and it had no negative effect therefore from that I can safely infer that the rest of the population can take it as well, but to be 100% sure, let me do an interview before I give you the pill"

That is literally how all new chemicals are discovered.

People take new experimental medicines all the time. Scientists run experiments on test subjects every day, you just don't know about it.

Scientists will even pay you to be their lab rat for new medications.

There is never 100% safety or sureness with any chemical ever.

Unless it is a pure poison, no medicine is going to kill you. Worst case it causes some weirdness, you stop taking it, and your body recovers. The body is not so fragile that it dies from a few miligrams of psychedelic.

I am not going to give people anything physically dangerous. LD50 of psychedelics is very high. You are not going to physically kill yourself with a psychedelic unless you do something extremely stupid.

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You contributed a lot to this dynamic, by making yourself to be special and an individual who is more conscious than everyone else.

You guys would do it regardless. The phenomenon is not about me.

I am more conscious than most out there. Does not mean I need to be fawned over. These are unrelated issues.

If I was more humble, people would worship me for being so humble and it would be the same exact problem.

I say I am conscious of extreme things because that is essential to my work. I am not going to pretend I am not conscious of stuff I became conscious of.

Edited Thursday at 07:00 AM by Leo Gura

[Davino]

8 hours ago, ZenSwift said:

@Zen LaCroix

 

This is literally going to be the first hour:

 

Followed by cries that look like timestamp 3:00

 

Why do y'all insist in making it weird??

Leo is among the most down to earth guys given his consciousness. 

This discourse you're trying to push forward is out of touch and if it does happen it won't be because Leo wanted it this way but exactly the opposite, this retreats and all retreats should be about your very own Self and consciousness.

[AION]

8 hours ago, ZenSwift said:

@Zen LaCroix

 

This is literally going to be the first hour:

 

Followed by cries that look like timestamp 3:00

 

 

 

 

After a couple of pages it is already established that that is going to be the dynamic. Coupled with autism Olympics going on alien consciousness steriods.

[vibv]

8 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

A process is a doing. You're referring to something relative that can be cognized - perception, perhaps.

Even when we say now, notice how it's often still not quite Now - it's still a point in time. Even if it occurs in a millisecond, it'd still be a process.

NOW can't be grasped by anyone. Everything else is a process. (maybe even that)

IT grasps itself. That is a process. IT unfolds, so to speak.

Especially that 'I' is a process. One of the most fundamental. The experiencer himself is a process. There are many layers. His perception is a lower-level process.

But it is not at all automatic—but CREATIVE

Edited Thursday at 07:55 AM by vibv

[zurew]

55 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

People take new experimental medicines all the time. Scientists run experiments on test subjects every day, you just don't know about it.

Yes, but again there is a clear difference, which is this:

1 hour ago, zurew said:

Yes you need data to check whats up, but you need domain knowledge to have good inferences about what will probably happen once the given drug is used and you will make bad and unreliable inferences and predictions if you dont have domain knowledge.

There is a clear difference between a random person picking a random thing and then running an experiment on you and  making a bunch of bad predictions about the effects of that random thing based on no domain knowledge or even wrong domain knowledge vs an expert picking/creating intentionally a specific thing based on domain knowledge about how thats gonna likely affect people.

The level of blindless about whats gonna happen (when it comes to the difference between the random person and the expert) is clearly not the same.

Edited Thursday at 07:49 AM by zurew

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, zurew said:

There is a clear difference between a random person picking a random thing

I am not a random person picking random things.

If you don't like it, don't come.

As always, people will bitch and moan until I pioneer it. Then they will claim it was obvious.

People love to sit around and criticize but themselves create nothing new.

Edited Thursday at 07:52 AM by Leo Gura

[vibv]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

When you guys treat me in a worshipping way it makes the work look bad and I am blamed for it even though I never wanted it.

This work is about developing total mental autonomy.

Thank you!

[Peo]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Humans cannot help but worship celebrities.

Don’t worry I won’t worship anyone. I just find your work very useful for me personally. Never cared about you, (hope you don’t get offended by me saying this).