Conservative activist, Charlie Kirk, has been shot and killed at University

[kray]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The projection, blaming, demonization, us-vs-them, and over-generalizing is gonna be off the rails on the right. Watch for it. These are all unconscious egoic mechanisms to avoid taking any responsibility for anything.

They are already threatening HBCUs….even though the evidence points towards the suspect being a white male, whom we have no idea of what party he’s associated with. 

[Joshe]

@Hojo Apparently, there are these things in video editing called "morph cuts" which some are saying explains the AI look. https://x.com/joshuarolson/status/1966204333823037635. That might explain it. 

[Princess Arabia]

11 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

What about what's ACTUALLY good. Not just deluded actors doing bad but believing they are doing good 

No such thing. It is always relative. Always. 

[Joshe]

[Hojo]

@Joshe there is something different here he is morph cutting mid sentence. Its good to use morph cuts if he's taking a break but he's saying something while its morph cutting. This suggests not only 2 seperate clips but a voice over. I could be wrong. The audio is seamless but the picture isn't. Why morph cut someone mid sentence and if you did then the audio would be cut or the lips would lose sync. I'm not a pro but I have dabbled in editing. I'm not 100 percent sure but the fact that this single video out of every speech he's had is edited for no reason is sus.

Edited 13 hours ago by Hojo

[wesxo]

19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The projection, blaming, demonization, us-vs-them, and over-generalizing is gonna be off the rails on the right. Watch for it. These are all unconscious egoic mechanisms to avoid taking any responsibility for anything.

The left also struggles with this equally in a lot of ways, the right seems to love gaslighting as it’s main tool, no one in this country does politics with consideration.

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Heaven said:

How many cruelty I see here..

A man was assassinated a left a family behind. And some here are actually happy.

Leo always warned that the right wing will ruin democracy but apparently the other parties are. 

Leo it feels to me like you are disconnected from the actual reality.

Be careful.

Yes, cruelty exists on the left. But you should consider the cruelty that exists on the right. There is no comparision.

The right today is acting like the left are monsters, totally blind to how the right reacts when left-wingers are attacked or killed. The same people outraged the most over this would be laughing if a leftist was murdered.

The notion that the right has moral high ground here, or is more empathetic overall, is objectively false, as Kirk himself denounced the value of empathy.

Right-wingers only have emapthy for their own, when their own are hurt.

MAGA has ruined democracy for years. And now it will continue to worsen. Prominant MAGA today are calling for the end of the entire Democrat party, which had nothing to do with this attack. So don't pretend they care about democracy. MAGA has always been anti-democracy and Charlie Kirk lead that movement.

A lone murderous psychopath does not represent the left. But that is exactly what MAGA will push as the narrative, further eroding democracy.

We live in highly polarized, radicalized times. There a plenty of psychopaths and lunatics on both sides. Do not overlook that. 98% of both parties are non-violent and the extremeist 1% no one controls.

Edited 11 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Twentyfirst]

19 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

No such thing. It is always relative. Always. 

Don't you mean from an absolute sense there is no right or wrong?

In relative there definitely is good and bad

[Princess Arabia]

42 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Don't you mean from an absolute sense there is no right or wrong?

In relative there definitely is good and bad

Yeah that's what I meant. You said what is actually good and i was saying no such thing as good is always relative because in the Absolute sense there's no right or wrong. 

[Carl-Richard]

Meanwhile in Norway,

Labour Party leader hugging far-right Progress Party leader after election victory (and prime minister at the end: "I haven't had the need to beat anybody; I have had the need to win trust, and that we have":

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOXiuuSipBl/?igsh=d2p4NWk3Z3k5c2w0

Leader of Labour youth party and Progress youth party joking around between shoots (probably slightly cringe if you're native English speaker):

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdbGfE3P/

Leaders of youth parties joking around during joint interview:

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdbGpfWt/

 

Even if American politics is an absolute shithole right now, it can get better, I say from my national-identity-mediated high horse.

Edited 8 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Hojo]

@Heaven You have no idea who assassinated him and the mass majority of people here are not celebrating. I don't know what kind of cherry picking you are doing but its not happening. The only time I saw a user say it it was instantly corrected. You are delusional.

If anything the president is pushing  way more  harmful rhetoric than the shot to instantly say it was an insane trans leftidlst person is off the charts using a man's death as a political fighting tool. Thats fking disgusting.

Like trumps rhetoric of this even is more harmful than the assassination. With 0 evidence of anything he is saying the left have to be taken care of. You should see whats happening. He is instantly insighting violence against half the country.

What if the right shot him? And are trying to start a civil war? The proof being their leader instantly saying it was an extreme leftist with 0 evidence of anything. And the video trump released was ai doctored.

Dont you think the person yelling fake news, the person with a cryto scheme the person, the person releasing AI doctored videos of himself, would kill a man to get himself away from the pedo files and use it to instantly try to start a war on the left with 0 evidence?

 

Edited 12 hours ago by Hojo

[Elliott]

2 hours ago, Hojo said:

@Joshe The timelines was he was shot. Then trump tweeted that he was dead. Then they filmed this because in the video it says he's dead in it. So they would have had to film and splice the video and voice over the video in that time. They need a voice over because the video splices mid sentence. This means the audio and video are seperate.

There is not enough time. Unless it was pre recorded.

Kirk's bodyguards signaled right before the shot too.

 

https://bsky.app/profile/gemslawrence.bsky.social/post/3lyli3exv3k2y

 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by Elliott

[Twentyfirst]

56 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yeah that's what I meant. You said what is actually good and i was saying no such thing as good is always relative because in the Absolute sense there's no right or wrong. 

Yeah but we still have to play out this bs human game along with the relative aspects

[diegogomez42]

"assumption is the mother of all fuck ups"

So many people on the right assume the identity of the person who killed charlie, the imediate assumption is that it was a political execution. Relating to assumption as if its fact is a huge problem, the lack of epistemic prescision is just bad.

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

Kirk's bodyguards signaled right before the shot too.

https://bsky.app/profile/gemslawrence.bsky.social/post/3lyli3exv3k2y

At first I'm like "hmm", then I'm like, "the second body guard looks directly at the first one while he is doing the supposed signal, then he looks around, steps forward, and does his supposed signal". Hmmmmm.

[Zen LaCroix]

On 9/10/2025 at 5:01 PM, Leo Gura said:

No, this is false if you know political science. There are no far left parties in America.

Americans who think Dems or progressives are far left have no understanding of political science or global political history. They are just consuming right wing news.

No far left party has ever held office in America.

Does the word "far" imply militarized

[Zen LaCroix]

On 9/10/2025 at 5:31 PM, Leo Gura said:

Shameful.

Owen has really lost the plot. That's what pickup ideology does to the mind.

He's made it clear he has a bias towards free speech. That's what cares about the most. The weird thing is he seems to think people should be neutral towards Charlie Kirk despite all the hateful things he said because he supports free speech and having a "debate".

I remember in one of his free tour videos that came out recently he was suprised that Nelson Mandela was a leftist. He seemed to be actually a bit confused by that

[Hojo]

@diegogomez42This isnt on accident. They are not being stupid they are being malicious.

Edited 10 hours ago by Hojo

[Leo Gura]

34 minutes ago, Zen LaCroix said:

He's made it clear he has a bias towards free speech. That's what cares about the most.

That's fine.

But comparing Kirk to JFK, MLK, RFK, Mandela, Jesus, Gandhi, Malcolm X, etc is wrong because those people got killed for their progressive views while Charlie was a tool of establishment, regressive views.

Spouting how the Bible says gays should be stoned or how Taylor Swift must submit to her husband is not the assassination of a bold truth-teller. That is regressive, closedminded, conformist slop.

Of course free speech still applies to regressive views, but I reject categorizing this as an assassination of a truth-teller. Regardless, his murder is still unacceptable.

Imagine if a Nazi got assassinated and his supporters said, "OMG! They killed him for speaking too much truth!" No. Sorry, it was wrong to kill him, but truth had nothing to do with it." Just because one is unfairly killed does not mean one was on the side of truth.

Edited 10 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Joshe]

Also, mainstream media, in their attempt to appear non-partisan and virtuous, is spreading the falsehood that Kirk went around the country debating and engaging in political discourse in good faith. This is utter bullshit. He was just good at hiding his malicious intent behind a suit, and with a calmer demeanor than that of his much younger and less prepared opponents.

Edited 9 hours ago by Joshe