I miss the old Actualized.org

[Basman]

Going through older threads, pre-covid especially, i find a lot of the users to be much more constructive and solution oriented compare to now. Someone might for example be asking if they should be dropping out of uni and the responses are genuinely insightful. And meaty as well. I find current users tend to post very short replies, just a couple of sentences while only being semi-coherent at times. And just in general, I think a significant part of the userbase come off as a bit nuts and rambly. No hate.

I guess as content slowed down, a lot of the quality users moved on. Older Actualized.org was also more stage orange oriented, which appeals more to me. I value the deep philosophical stuff but I am at a stage where success stuff will have the most impact. I tend to feel that there is a bit of a spiritual ego going on with some users as they poo-poo basic success stuff and that I am one if the few here who is not so airy-fairy.

Just my thoughts on the current state of this community.

[Someone here]

That's expected and guaranteed to happen .there is always an inverse curve function between time and quality of any project or thing . Just like when you were a kid you were literally blissed out just by watching the sunset or some cats on the street ..and as you grow up you require watching tentical hentai just to "get going ".

The older the forum gets ..people will keep beating the same dead horse until there's nothing to talk about .

[Natasha Tori Maru]

It has changed for sure. 

All things evolve and change, nothing remains the same.

I think there was a greater variety of perspectives and a lot more pragmatism back then. People stay for a time in spaces until they outgrow them, in my experience. 

 

[D2sage]

I am patiently waiting for that next trip report from Gura taking those awakening foods.

[Raphael]

Personally I'm not interested in spirituality. I'm here for everything else, but not spirituality.

[Joyboy]

In the past, we had a “vote up” feature for posts, and it kind of encouraged people to show off  

Hey @Leo Gura, could you bring back this feature so we can see how much we’ve changed from back then to now?

[Leo Gura]

The tenor of this place is an emergent phenomenon and a mind of its own. I don't design or control it. It just depends on who's here. People have their own agendas and quirks.

We have gotten rid of many trouble-makers. That's basically the only variable we control.

[Willie]

Also, there was the schism when a bunch of members left to join the forum of an ex-mod.

[Basman]

7 hours ago, Willie said:

Also, there was the schism when a bunch of members left to join the forum of an ex-mod.

Oh? What happened?

[Willie]

All I know is a mod had a falling out with Leo, created their own website with a forum and YouTube videos, and a bunch of people joined because they had some issues with how Leo runs this forum and website. I can’t give any specific details.

[lostingenosmaze]

@Yimpa I miss when actualized.org ran well, such is the price of increasing popularity and traffic 😔🙏

[LordFall]

I agree with your analysis. This place should loop back to more stage orange topics so we can evolve the discussion topics to stage yellow solutions instead of endless theorizing and complaining about politics without being powerful agent of change ourselves. 

[EternalForest]

I agree with you on a lot of points but I also think its a result of the direction of Actualized.org itself. Post-covid the content has became almost all spiritual and metaphysical, so you can be expect that most discussions will become less practical as a result. It's just the nature of the changing audience. I'm still holding out hope that we get more of a balance of self-improvement and self-actualization content again because I think that's where Leo really shines but you gotta respect the direction he wants to go in.

One thing I will softly disagree on: quantity of words is not equal to quality. I actually prefer responses around 200 words because those are more conductive to conversation. The best forum discussion are just that, conversational. Maybe it's because I've been on a movie kick recently but I'll use Pulp Fiction to demonstrate. I've linked the scene I'm referring to below (starts from 6:19). That whole ending speech that Samuel L. Jackson's character gives feels long, deep and memorable but its actually only around 200 words! So you can definitely make a short and poignant reply that sticks with people. I mean, even Leo's responses are usually around that length, maybe one paragraph.  Now obviously that doesn't mean you can't write more and still make it memorable but I think one paragraph is perfectly deep enough for person to person discussion.

 

[AstralProjection]

If I were to take a good, educated guess, it's because Leo pushed pragmatic thinkers away such as Jordan Peterson supporters. 

[RisingLane]

The only thing I miss is the couch vlogs.

[Joseph Maynor]

It's much better now than before in my opinion.  

[Ishanga]

6 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

It's much better now than before in my opinion.  

If it was much worse before than that must of been very bad, cause now is not so good either imo!

plus the forum is slow as hell, takes forever to load pages and you constantly have to refresh while logged in..

Edited 4 hours ago by Ishanga

[Nemo28]

Before I remember there were lots of people claiming to be enlightened as it's some kind of achievement. It was such a big deal, now its just meh...

[OBEler]

I like it better nowadays in this forum, less drama. But I miss Leo s couch blogs.  it doesn't feel like he is on a journey anymore but that part was so inspiring.

Leo went into a suffering phase and decided not to share his journey anymore. I know he surely has a lot of growth on the background going on . A lot. It's just his raw couch blogs were truly unique and very insightful and inspiring. 

If he would doing a blog where he shares also bad phases this would make a whole picture.Spirituality and sufferingy, god and being human comes together.

[RisingLane]

5 minutes ago, OBEler said:

But I miss Leo s couch blogs.

It’s nice to know I’m not the only one who misses those. Leo always said it was part of his journey to document it, and I hope he thinks about bringing them back.