Why are jewish people hated ?

[Joshe]

Apparently, it's largely due to devious business practices and being exclusionary and parasitic to other nations. From what I understand, historically, they have leeched off other nations whilst wanting to remain separate from those nations, and this orientation towards other nations has earned them a bad reputation with lasting effects. 

Alice Bailey, in her book "Problems of Humanity (1947), discusses the issue. https://1lib.sk/book/29740611/fd4cf7/problems-of-humanity.html

She sums up with "The Jew has set up an ancient pattern of living within other nations; as a citizen with all the rights of citizenship, he has built up a wall of taboos, of habits and religious observances which separate him off from his environment and make him non-assimilable. These must go and he must become a citizen not only in name but in fact. 

 

Edited July 14 by Joshe

[Leo Gura]

It's a good question where the hate historically came from. The pre-Isreal negative view of them.

Edited July 14 by Leo Gura

[PurpleTree]

38 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

More seriously because they are gregarious, religious, and more present than average in certain high-capital sectors.

 

The Jesus thing and then the money/banking thing and being different. The romans didn’t trust them because they were too stubborn and so on.

 

 

But a thing i find weird. Because they say in the middle ages in Europe. Jews weren’t allowed to have land and farm etc. so they went into lending money to the elites. But if Christians didn’t really trust Jews. Why would they trust them with one of the most important things aka Dollar 💵 

Edited July 14 by PurpleTree
edit i wanted to quote leo. One of the things that are really bad about this message board is that it’s hard to edit it correctly.

[Vynce]

I remember learning about europes medieval, christian cities banning all sorts of financial businesses like banks and credits ect. for all christians. Which enabled the jews to conquer this niche from the start of the financial sector. And them creating money out of thin air (which it is not) must have always seem bad in the eyes of a good christian. 

So you could say that christianity created the bad rep of jews for themselves in that regard.

[Hojo]

They get special treatment. I can say  I hate Christians, the second I saw I hate Jews Im somehow like a racist. We are forced to love them for no reason why are we not forced to love Christians? All because of the holocaust, I cant say, I hate Jews, holocaust can happen to any religion, thats kinda weird. We are forced to love them and they think anyone who isnt a Jew is dirt. You think Jews love you if you are not Jewish? No way they take their shit seriously.

They have their own special terms they have created like zionist or anti semitism(which is a word created to make it seem like hating Jews is the same as hating black people as a whole). Christians dont have that why not? Why do Christian Nations care more about Jewish safety than Christian? Kinda weird.

I dont fkin care about the Jews but if I said that I would be considered an anti Semite, then if I turned around and said I hate Christians, nothing, no defense, nobody cares. Jews are professional victims.

Edited July 14 by Hojo

[Twentyfirst]

You really have to separate middle eastern jews and European jews. Middle eastern jews never faced that level of hatred. The European jews even hated the middle eastern jews and fought them when making a state. Everyone has been hated though. Africa has faced more violence than the Jews have

The jews should have their own state so they can be away from the hate. They had one chance to build one and instead tried to build their country on an already existing country and never made peace and now they missed their one shot. Israel was a doomed project to begin with. Nobody's fault but their own. Now they will be forever absorbed into Arab states as a minority with little voice. Everyone knows Israel will end in a one state and Palestinian population will double while Jewish population increases by 10%. The future of the Middle East and Arabs/Persians will treat them well and they will have equal opportunity but it will never be a Jewish state like they wanted. It's not easy for Westerners to understand the Middle East but if you do understand the region you'll know that it can only end in a one state

America meddled with the Middle East for 100 years but now they can just bring out the 2,000 year long Jewish hatred playbook and blame Jews for all their middle eastern wars. That's what the Jews get for partnering with the same government that took in Nazi scientists

The jews are amazing at survival though nobody can deny that. They take it too far though and forget that they are humans who deserve a shot at life and love. They became racist monsters only concerned with and good at one thing which is survival. After this they really do need to move on with the victim mentality even if there is truth to it. You don't have to become some warrior nation where everyone fights in the army and you just think about enemies coming to get you all day long from age 5 to 80. Paranoia is a disease. Becoming a military nation somewhat worked for America but it won't work for the Jews. Just study, work, have families, practice your religion, eat food, travel, and enjoy life and leave all that extra behind you

[Davino]

Gipsies have been historically despised as well.

I've always thought why these two ethnic groups have never fitted in. On the one hand we don't want to fall into racist ideology but on the other hand there must be something going on. Other ethnic groups have integrated into countries more easily, even contributing to their development; for example hindus.

[PurpleTree]

8 minutes ago, Davino said:

Other ethnic groups have integrated into countries more easily, even contributing to their development; for example hindus.

Jews have too. Ever heard of Einstein, Bernie Sanders and so on?

[Joshe]

6 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Jews have too. Ever heard of Einstein, Bernie Sanders and so on?

You have to go much further back than that. The Jews built a bad reputation in many nations and societies, going way back. Apparently, that reputation has stuck with them to a degree and seems to be making a comeback in recent years. 

[PurpleTree]

58 minutes ago, Joshe said:

You have to go much further back than that. The Jews built a bad reputation in many nations and societies, going way back. Apparently, that reputation has stuck with them to a degree and seems to be making a comeback in recent years. 

And then? 

[Harikrishnan]

2 hours ago, Joshe said:

You have to go much further back than that. The Jews built a bad reputation in many nations and societies, going way back. Apparently, that reputation has stuck with them to a degree and seems to be making a comeback in recent years. 

Jews was cool in India, as far as I heard.

[Quader]

My understanding was that Jesus was a Jew and Christianity literally co-opted Judaism into some type of protestant movement. So, not only was Christianity not recognizing their mirroring/potential bastardization of the faith but they also had to thoroughly reject and genocide the new heretics. I think it's fine to hate on Christians because it generally does not actually imply to kill Christians. It just means keep them out of the government and let them practice in peace without massive political power. But contrarily with Jews the social context denotes this religious exclusion as literally genocidal. And I think there's a good reason for that.. But I don't really know, this is my undereducated opinion

[Twentyfirst]

4 hours ago, Joshe said:

You have to go much further back than that. The Jews built a bad reputation in many nations and societies, going way back. Apparently, that reputation has stuck with them to a degree and seems to be making a comeback in recent years. 

That's because they are greedy and engage in corrupt activities that enrich them. Only in already corrupt societies though. Makes for a good patsy just blame jooz not just for the crimes within the system but corruption of the entire system

It's like how in America you have bankers that steal from everyone and get away with it but in idk Vietnam they literally just execute them for that. One place is more inviting to criminals than the other. The jooz are corrupt in places where the soil is primed for corruption 

[gettoefl]

They claim to be the maker's favorite people. I am deemed a second class citizen. I best smash them and teach their sky daddy who is boss here.

[Daniel Balan]

Its because they had much more money and wealth when they lived in Europe compared to the poor peasants in the villages of Europe, and those peasants had to work for little pay for the jews. In the peasant's mind, the jew was responsible for the peasant's lack of wealth. 

[BlueOak]

Victim Mindset and identity. We removed a lot of that in the West, its still ongoing but huge progress was made.

In the East and Africa it's still rife. BRICS, Russia, Israel, China. This was done for masculinity to have a place in life again and actually create change. I had to go through it personally, and I saw examples of it in loads of people going through it.

It's a self-perpetuating cycle. - I'm a victim, look at these things making me a victim. I'll recreate the pattern to be victim - I'm a victim, look at these things making me a victim. There is zero masculinity displayed in that. Its made worse when people reinforce it from the outside, rather than either doing what I am by highlighting it, or allowing the pattern to end or close.

What happens when confronted is really simple, the person's or country's ego comes up and says i'm a victim because X. Reinforcing the cycle.
When really 10% of their time should be focused on that, and 90% on the solution.

 

Edited July 15 by BlueOak

[Ajay0]

India is the only country on earth which has never persecuted its Jewish population, and there is no hatred in India for them.

Religious and racial hatred in Europe for centuries against the Jews culminating in the Nazi Holocaust killing 6 million Jews was a major reason for the remaining Jews to relocate to the middle east in Israel. 

Till then the Jews and Muslims had a cordial relationship due to religious and cultural similarities for centuries. With the creation of Israel however, this friendly and cordial relationship greatly suffered as a consequence.

[Jirh]

• Mainly because they crucified Jesus. That's where "the hate" started.
• Another reason is their uniquely narcissistic ideology, "The Chosen People, and Their Promised Land", Judaism can only be attributed by birth, etc...
• Miscellaneous malicious deeds and hostility with other tribes/nations around them throughout history. Modern Israel is the easiest example.

Edited July 15 by Jirh

[Emerald]

Consider that most of our default perspectives are coming from European Christian perspective because that is the perspective of the most dominant cultures who have the most imperial power. These are the same cultures that have the most impact on popular culture and what's coming up in the collective Zetigeist of the now international human species.

So, anything that is considered "other" than white Christianity will be hated and marginalized in the collective Zeitgeist.

And there certainly is a lot of Islamophobia as well as antisemitism because those are competitor religions to the dominant Christian perspective. So, they're going to be treated with a special amount of ire... moreso than smaller religions that aren't seen as real competitors to Christianity.

But Islam is seen as more distant... and as something that's a fixture of the Middle East. So, Islamophobia is a more distant hatred of the distant other from the white Christian perspective.

But there is a strong association between the Jewish identity and white European culture. And when most people think of Jewish people, they think of white people.

So, Jewish people are perceived as a closer competitor to the default perspective... like a closer rival.

That's why a lot of the antisemitic rhetoric is one that's more in the framing of "look at these powerful people that are plotting to take over" rather than the inferiorizing rhetoric of more distant others.

Basically, the white Christian default sees them as closer rivals to the dominant perspective. 

But really any "other" will be hated and marginalized. That is the way that people with strong collective identities operate, as a strong tribal/national/ethnic/racial identity requires a contrasting other to give definition to the collective identity.

Anytime you're saying, "I am this", there is an implied "I am not that." And the stronger identification we have with "this", the stronger resistance we will have of "that".

[Emerald]

Also, a bit of historical context that might be helpful for understanding the ire... and the perception of the powerful "other".

During the medieval times, it was seen as un-Christian to be involved in financial matters. And that's because there's a lot of notions like "blessed are the poor or spirit". And it was seen to be of lower morals to be in the merchant class because of its proximity to money. They royals and nobility didn't want to "lower" themselves.

And Kings and Queens would enlist the help of a "Court Jew" to help with the matters of banking and finances, so that they could outsource those tasks they saw as un-Christian. 

So, because of the way that money was viewed in Christendom as non-Christian, there has been an association of Jewish people with money. And the pattern of Jewish people being associated with money and riches gets started.

Then, as we've moved out of feudalist fiefdoms and towards a more consumer Capitalist society, the most powerful people ceased to be the royals and nobility... and instead became the merchant class and the bankers.

So, because there had been a patterns within the mainstream Christian society of it being anti-christian to handle money... this set up a pattern that later gave Jewish people more power because of their association with banking and money as things shifted away from Feudalism and towards Capitalism.

This further solidifies the stereotypes associated with the "powerful other" who is plotting to take over like I mentioned in the previous post.