Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Miguel1]

5 hours ago, RisingLane said:

"I'm more Muslim than most Muslims."

As someone raised in that religion, I find this very funny.

Leo is the first genuine Muslim I have known in this life—a true submitter to God.

I grew up with many muslim friends in my life. They are full of shit, and purely virtue signaling.

It is funny indeed.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Miguel1 yep - which is why I try to always stress and give proper context. All meanings change without it. I personally do not think it is healthy to want to engage in processes that attract a low conscious quality of relationship. If you follow the dialogue you will see we define what phases are being spoken about - attraction vs within relationship. I don't personally ever speak about feminine / masculine dynamics from the point of view of unhealthy dynamics. 

If people want to exploit an unhealthy insecure type of attraction dynamic that is fine but it's not what is normal and healthy. 

I don't know what you mean by 'I speak like @Emerald'. These are my own opinions and thoughts. What was your intention there? 

25 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

I personally started at 18. 

I’m not sure I would recommend it, but I’m glad I did for myself. The trick is that, after a few trips, I eventually realized the “burning through karma” concept. You just feel during the trip that there are so many things your ego is still clinging to and worrying about, mostly survival or ego-related, that prevent you from having a more open and flowing mind. I would think about things beyond myself, but then my mind kept asking, “But how do you know? You haven’t experienced this or that. Absolutely none of it. Who do you think you are?” I had a lot of self-doubt. I feel like if you are too young, you just don’t have enough life confidence to even ground yourself properly, especially if you can’t yet feed and shelter yourself independently.

So for me, if anything, it helped because I kept feeling blocked, and it motivated me to get my survival in order. But it’s tricky to know whether you would have the same response, because it’s very subjective. I feel like there’s no clear answer. It’s too case-dependent.

I agree it is very case dependant - I always err on the side of caution 😀 

Thanks for sharing !

Edited 12 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Xonas Pitfall]

9 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

Most women will not be very excited being chased / pursued by a man. They want to be the pursuer, cuz they are addicted to drama.

I talk from experience.

18 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

Both.

The woman will not be happy in the relationship long-term if the man loses his center and starts orbiting her.

Feminine energy orbits the masculine.

This shouldn't be a desperate needy chasing, but a healthy kind of orbiting/following.

I think a better frame is that there are people who are more orbit-like (more dependent, people-pleasing, other-focused) and some people who are more orbit-line (more independent, immovable, self-focused). Some people can endlessly pursue with no issues, and some people hate the feeling of chasing because they need extra security and clarity in confidence that the other person is genuinely interested in them. This is more a personality trait or preference than a gender thing, to be honest. There are also people who like to “reach beyond” what they think they can get, so they don’t mind pushing further and assuming they have to work for it, and in the end, they feel satisfied when they get what they wanted.

• That’s where you get common tropes like a man seeing a woman as a muse or a siren, a symbol of beauty, and perfection to admire. And will do anything in his power to keep and protect her. In a more toxic form, you see this in the “simp” meme.
• Then you also get the opposite trope: a woman who adores her man, wants to please him, and deeply admires him. In a more toxic form, this can resemble BPD-meme patterns of obsession, drama, etc.

I actually think kink communities sometimes understand this a bit better, ironically, haha, because they don’t frame it strictly as man-woman dynamics, but more as dominance and submission, attachment roles, and psychological preferences. I’ve met men who genuinely enjoy adoring their partner, and women who genuinely enjoy being adored. In those cases, the relationship can work very well. I’ve also seen the opposite, and more “equal” dynamics, too.

But I also think that once the initial phase passes, if neither person is able to shift out of being only the adorer or only the adored, the relationship can struggle long-term. For a successful long-term partnership, these roles will naturally switch back and forth. Plus, if you are a spiritual person, this should excite you because you get to experience both yourself making someone else feel like God/Love, and also someone making you feel that way in return.

I feel like people often treat dating like politics, as if it’s a team sport, like “does red win or does blue win?” It becomes competitive in a way that misses the point. Gender and dating are often treated similarly, which is unfortunate. "Should the woman or the man submit? Who should love whom more? Who is the actual sucker here?"

The ego has and needs both sides. It’s a fundamental principle of holism. Just like everything is a holon, the ego is one too. The ego has two sides: the admirer and the admired.

1. It wants someone to admire so it can feel love, humility, and connection. When you have someone as an “other,” they can become almost mesmerizing in a way that makes you feel expanded or stunned by their beauty, whatever form that takes. So you get both the ego humbling itself enough to experience real love and a sense of expansion.
2. But the ego also wants to be admired so it can feel safe, valued, and appreciated. So it can also be touched by someone’s love and gentleness, and actually let go of its defenses, allowing it to expand more toward ego dissolution and love.

Both men and women have this ego structure, and if neither side is being met in a relationship, it becomes very hard to maintain anything stable or long-term. 

But again, I never really know if we are talking about hookup culture and dating strategies, or actual long-term spiritual relationships. If you mean the initial stage, then yes, you probably do not care that much about the person themselves, but more about what you can get from them. So to maximize results, you need to be receptive to people who are easier “wins” (who like you way more, that is.) That applies to both genders. If women don’t choose men who genuinely like them a lot or even more, they also tend to suffer.

If we are talking about actual relationships, these concepts are quite meaningless. You need to deeply understand your partner’s preferences and not assume you already know what they want.

[Xonas Pitfall]

13 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I always err on the side of caution 😀 

Agreed! I suppose I was just a little rebellious Shroom monkey. . . 👽🙈

[Xonas Pitfall]

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A proper conservative needs to have an air-tight asshole. Like Jordan Peterson. That's a true tight-ass. You can feel his asshole clinch just by seeing his face.

🤣

[Leo Gura]

58 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I don't know what you mean by 'I speak like @Emerald'.

He means you lack a penis.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Miguel1 said:

This is what Owen means by strong frame, or frame control btw, that you have disagreed with before.

Something about the way he says it makes it seem too try-hard.

Maybe I'm being unfair.

[Nemra]

I'm glad I couldn't try psychedelics until a year ago. Even then, I don't want to go hardcore in my late 20s, and perhaps it's best for me not to do it for now. However, it has shaken me up to question deeply.

Edited 10 hours ago by Nemra

[Natasha Tori Maru]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

He means you lack a penis.

I see you've smelled my penis envy 🥹

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

feel like there’s no clear answer. It’s too case-dependent.

But the potential for danger and misuse is high at that age, generally speaking. Just cause you managed it doesn't mean it's a smart overall approach.

We don't want youngsters wrecking themselves.

It was hard for me even in my 30s. I took it too far. I can't imagine a youngster going through my arc. That would be very risky.

Edited 10 hours ago by Leo Gura

[No1Here2c]

26 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But the potential for danger and misuse is high at that age, generally speaking. Just cause you managed it doesn't mean it's a smart overall approach.

We don't want youngsters wrecking themselves.

It was hard for me even in my 30s. I took it too far. I can't imagine a youngster going through my arc. That would be very risky.

There is something to be said of disillusionment. I experience dangerous levels.

Naivety is its own separate mentionable danger.

[No1Here2c]

Psychedelics fell incidentally into my life early on in a jarring way. They became an integral part of my path.

 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by No1Here2c

[No1Here2c]

You would not blame a man for his taste in the exquisite would you?

Psychedelics are like that.

Psychedelics can really open the eyes. 

that is no understatement.

Do you wish to go on blind or do you wish to see?

Responsible use is a must.

Psychedelics almost have a self limiting nature, no need for too often of a trip. One experience holds its stage in the mind for potentially years or months. 

The shards of insight can keep you occupied for a while.

Fear is the largest inhibitor to full exploration of the psychedelic realm.

Edited 9 hours ago by No1Here2c

[Nemra]

It's also dangerous to learn from psychedelic trips as if one understands without even doing psychedelics; this will mess up one's mind when doing psychedelics.

It's very alluring to listen and learn from others' trips, but you will build beliefs about what psychedelics do if you're not careful.

[Xonas Pitfall]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

But the potential for danger and misuse is high at that age, generally speaking. Just cause you managed it doesn't mean it's a smart overall approach.

We don't want youngsters wrecking themselves.

It was hard for me even in my 30s. I took it too far. I can't imagine a youngster going through my arc. That would be very risky.

Yup! Fully agreed, responsible, and very much needed blogpost 

[Magnanimous]

Leo why havent you taken a psychedelic in a year from last time I know?

Are you done with that part of your life/wanted to focus on manual methods?

[Leo Gura]

@Magnanimous I can't discuss my full situation for privacy reasons. There is a delay in things I share because I don't want to share stuff that is still in progress and I'm not yet ready to explain. Eventually I will explain, but you should expect a lag time. I'm not a breaking news channel. I have overshared stuff in the past and now I am more reserved.

Edited 8 hours ago by Leo Gura

[bazera]

https://www.actualized.org/insights/mt-everest-conformity

This reminded me of a mantra that ultra runners have:

"Death before DNF" (Did Not Finish)

Of course is an over-exaggeration, it just shows an attitude that's needed to endure something very physically challenging. But most of those endurance athletes prepate for their races, but that assumes health, genetics, proper motivations, etc.

The thing is, it's hard to know your limits when you're too afraid to go near them. It feels important to know what you're capable of before you die. Feels meaningful to find that out. 

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, bazera said:

Feels meaningful to find that out.

Not meaningful at all.

There are 10,000 things you aren't capable of and don't know it and will never know it. What difference does one more thing make?

Treating your body like a rented mule is not intelligent.

No one cares about your marathon.

Add marathons to the list of conformity.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[bazera]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Not meaningful at all.

Didn't you find it meaningful to find out what you were capable of in consciousness work?

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There are 10,000 things you aren't capable of and don't know it and will never know it. What difference does one more thing make?

You just want to know your limits in the field that you are interested in.

But taking it to the actual dangerous limits is stupid, of course. 

But for example, if you are a fat slob and you are interested in what your body is capable of, looks-wise and also performance-wise, it motivates you to pursue some of those fitness goals. It's another matter if that makes you happy or not ultimately, but at least you derive some meaning for some time.