Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@JTL Happiness increase, or pleasure increase?

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, JTL said:

People do small things like playing soccer, etc and other things, and their overall happiness increase

You can get happiness from the flow state of playing a sport. That is well and good. But happiness from defeating someone is not doing anything for you.

If you like a sport, good. There's no need to defeat others.

Imagine if the happiness I got from being on this forum was from defeating you guys. That would be sick.

Edited 9 hours ago by Leo Gura

[UnbornTao]

The point of competition is usually winning. That's what the team effort is about. 

[JTL]

@Leo Gura okey, thanks for the response.

[Bogdan]

On 3/26/2026 at 0:16 AM, integral said:

Guy on the left died of steroids use at 22. 

He had a congenital heart defect. But I'm sure steroids didn't help.

[Magnanimous]

Leo could we attain your level of insight as well?

Or after doing the spiritual work you teach, will we gain abilities enhancing our own genetic strengths?

Like for example better wit if you're a people person?

[Joshe]

 

 

@Leo Gura

Your cognition is structurally non-conformist. You didn't arrive at it through decades of rigorous epistemics.

Nature and nurture gave you 3 traits that all but guaranteed non-conformity.

• independent perception (builds own models of reality rather than importing from consensus)
• independent judgment (evaluates by internal standards rather than tribal expectations)
• behavioral energy directed inward (processes internally rather than engaging in the social field)

Combine all 3 and you get someone who can't be a conformist without significant discomfort. I'd say this is roughly 1-2% of the population - far from 1 in a million. 

Roughly 43% of the population operates on dependent perception AND dependent judgement. 

Which means about half the population imports their model of reality from consensus and they calibrate their decisions to the tribe. And everyone else is missing one or the other or lack the inward energy orientation to shield them from the social field. So, roughly 95% of the population is missing at least one of the ingredients you need to be a true non-conformist.

None of this can be fixed through epistemic labor because if your perception is oriented toward concrete reality, building independent models of reality isn't something you can just decide to prioritize. And if your judgment naturally defers to the tribe, you can't just say fuck the tribe's opinion. 

The thing that makes someone conformist isn't how they think - it's what their mind prioritizes. Which they have little to no say over. 

So, you're telling structural non-conformists who didn't undergo your epistemic project that they're actually conformists, and you're telling structural conformists that they can be like you if they try hard enough. lol. Both are wrong.

Edited 7 hours ago by Joshe

[Leo Gura]

55 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

Leo could we attain your level of insight as well?

That's what I am hoping for. But I don't know how insightful y'all can be.

55 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

Or after doing the spiritual work you teach, will we gain abilities enhancing our own genetic strengths?

Yes

[Leo Gura]

22 minutes ago, Joshe said:

Combine all 3 and you get someone who can't be a conformist without significant discomfort. I'd say this is roughly 1-2% of the population - far from 1 in a million. 

I didn't achieve non-conformiry until a few years ago. I noticed a shift in myself once I saw how conformist the mind is.

So it's not something I was born with.

Autonmous is a stage of cognitive development.

You are right in that my personality is suited to it.

[Magnanimous]

34 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes

Meaning I'll get an extra 6 inches?

[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

Meaning I'll get an extra 6 inches?

After enlightenment, donkey dick.

[BlessedLion]

Just saw the post on Ramana Maharshi, I miss these types of posts and content, it seems to be the most important thing to focus on. The world has always been and probably always will be corrupt, chaotic, and disgusting, but uncovering yourself as God seems to be the most important venture. 

It's funny because i just posted a video on how social media is destructive and sighted Ramana (along with Ralston and Wilber) as examples of men who would never have a social media page because they would just see it for what it is: Ego worship. Whereas most men who obsess over something like an instagram account are actually quite feminine in their doing that.

[Magnanimous]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

After enlightenment, donkey dick.

I'm doing kriya just for that 

[PenguinPablo]

@Leo Gura How will you get past non-conformity / autonomous outgrow it etc... What limitations are you intuiting experientially that will lead to the next stage if it works that way.

[lostingenosmaze]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If you like a sport, good. There's no need to defeat others.

Is that why you only play chess against bots?

Edited 5 hours ago by lostingenosmaze

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

i just posted a video on how social media is destructive and sighted Ramana (along with Ralston and Wilber) as examples of men who would never have a social media page

Bro, if Ramana was alive today he'd have an OnlyFans.

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, PenguinPablo said:

@Leo Gura How will you get past non-conformity / autonomous outgrow it etc... What limitations are you intuiting experientially that will lead to the next stage if it works that way.

It only gets more non-conformist as you go higher.

[LoneWonderer]

In regards to the post on the Roma community in France, there is the one scene where you see father and son back home in Romania and He's building now his second home there for his son. The project will cost the father about 100,000€ he has saved up with his minimum wage job back in France. When asked about it he says something along the lines of "This is who we Roma people are, this is our culture to build homes for our children". The documentary narrator points out he has 3 kids and will have to build two more houses after this one.

It is a this point I realize the intersection of survival, conformity and complete lack of self awareness. I realize this poor bloke is nothing more than an unconscious survival zombie carrying out an unconscious survival agenda passed down to him through his social circle community. He will spend his entire life paying off these houses for his kids. He's a slave but a happy one at that. He defends his chains (culture and indoctrination from his community) like the men in Plato's cave allegory.

And then I begin to wonder...how am I like this poor bloke? In what ways am I like a fish swimming in water, unaware and ignorant, going about unconscious survival agendas...

Edited 4 hours ago by LoneWonderer

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, lostingenosmaze said:

Is that why you only play chess against bots?

No.

You can play against others, beating them just doesn't need to be the source of happiness.

[integral]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 But I don't know how insightful y'all can be.

It's because it's not our full-time job, when people work on things they're in flow with, every day and night is constant new ideas and insights into it.

I'm having a hard time entering that state when simply reading the blog posts or watching the videos. I'm talking about the full state of insight generation and not simply a looser form of integration when you consume the content and then integrated into into your life. Loose Integration is a lot easier then generating new insights.

Edited 2 hours ago by integral