Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[cistanche_enjoyer]

24 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Why am I born to be corrupt?

Because it's the only way for you to even exist. Without corruption there would be no survival, and without survival there is no life.

[Princess Arabia]

24 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Jannes, I just don't understand how we can accept that we are built on corruption and then demonize other forms of corruption if we aim for purity.

What is the purpose of life if it entails corruption?

Why am I born to be corrupt?

Great question. Answer that with precision, and you'll become enlightened.

[Jannes]

39 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Jannes, I just don't understand how we can accept that we are built on corruption and then demonize other forms of corruption if we aim for purity.

I am asking that as well, but I think there are degrees of corruption. Critiquing corruption from a higher perspective is like a neccassary INTERIUM solution. Or you could be like Socrates and consciously die for truth.

39 minutes ago, Nemra said:

What is the purpose of life if it entails corruption?

Why am I born to be corrupt?

 

10 minutes ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

Because it's the only way for you to even exist. Without corruption there would be no survival, and without survival there is no life.

 

On 4.12.2024 at 4:31 PM, Jannes said:

I am in love with bullshit.

Edited Thursday at 07:53 PM by Jannes

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Because there is no allowance for collective consciousness in Leos belief system, he has this odd notion going on there is no free will. 

I'll need some reasoning here. If there is no free will and agency, how can one claim humans are corrupt. IE it's what we are rather than what we do. This is just opinion. 

This is not my understanding of the universe and life/death cycle. 

The amount of rhetoric and double speak about corruption is a bit much. Lots of words to say very little. Mastery is usually when you can enunciate a concept with precision. 

[cistanche_enjoyer]

Also perhaps it’s worth pointing out that corruption is not inherently bad. Nothing is inherently bad.

The key is to understand that everything is love. This includes corruption.

[Leo Gura]

Corruption isn't something you will or don't. Corruption is just the logical consequence of less than infinite consciousness.

Any being with less than infinite consciousness must be corrupt because you just don't have enough intelligence to do otherwise.

It's not a judgement of you. God doesn't need to judge you. But God sees all your corruption.

The only thing that can be pure is formless Infinity. Which is God. Which is death. So by being alive you are evil.

What did you think? That you were a good guy? Haha!

That's the biggest load of shit you sold yourself.

Edited Thursday at 09:14 PM by Leo Gura

[Yimpa]

[Dazgwny]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But God sees all your corruption

This is totally true. I could understand though how this framing could make people assume that they are not God and that God is outside of them looking down on them. But when you awaken deep enough, you realise that ‘you’ see it all, right through it, all your own corruption, and that you always see it, you’ve just been blind and ignorant to it, or literally just turned a blind eye to it, to suit your survival wants and needs. The fact that you see it all, when realising that you are God, you then understand that yes, God sees it all, from its infinite state

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Dazgwny said:

This is totally true. I could understand though how this framing could make people assume that they are not God and that God is outside of them looking down on them. But when you awaken deep enough, you realise that ‘you’ see it all, right through it, all your own corruption, and that you always see it, you’ve just been blind and ignorant to it, or literally just turned a blind eye to it, to suit your survival wants and needs. The fact that you see it all, when realising that you are God, you then understand that yes, God sees it all, from its infinite state

Yes.

It's a manner of speaking.

What sees corruption is simply Infinite Consciousness. If you became infinitely conscious you would see all the corruption in the world. But you wouldn't judge it, since you are just seeing Yourself, and everything must be absolutely how it is.

Edited Thursday at 09:39 PM by Leo Gura

[Terell Kirby]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

So by being alive you are evil.

But we can’t ever not “be alive”. Seems more fair to say  that some states of consciousness are more evil / corrupt than others relative to the closeness of one’s Mind to Infinite consciousness. 

Edited Thursday at 10:12 PM by Terell Kirby

[Terell Kirby]

31 minutes ago, Terell Kirby said:

But we can’t ever not “be alive”. Seems more fair to say  that some states of consciousness are more evil / corrupt than others relative to the closeness of one’s Mind to Infinite consciousness. 

Damn .. just did the spiritual exercise posted on the blog. I am corrupt AF .. never mind 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Corruption isn't something you will or don't. Corruption is just the logical consequence of less than infinite consciousness.

Any being with less than infinite consciousness must be corrupt because you just don't have enough intelligence to do otherwise.

It's not a judgement of you. God doesn't need to judge you. But God sees all your corruption.

The only thing that can be pure is formless Infinity. Which is God. Which is death. So by being alive you are evil.

What did you think? That you were a good guy? Haha!

That's the biggest load of shit you sold yourself.

Nope I was never labouring under that assumption.

I think the distinction between individuation consciousness & absolute consciousness is the conduit that enables an easier conceptualisation of corruption. It was more... the rather staccato back and forth in the post that flipped from absolute to distinct that was slightly confusing to read.

I think it is just a product of the type of stream of consciousness writing you employ 

Cheers for the answer !

Are you ever going to work in consciousness as a collective on an individual level?

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, why does God want to be corrupt by lowering its consciousness?

[LambdaDelta]

I actually did the evil deeds list exercise of my own accord back in December. It's certainly integral for real development, however painful it may be. That's the purification taking place. Now I'll post it here, my corruption for all to see. There's two entries that have been omitted due to being admissions of criminality. The rest as-is. I'll also add another point I just recently became aware of:

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I've noticed something quite ugly – sometimes I am afraid or embarrassed to be kind. Not in private, but in public. One possible explanation is I simply don't like to attract attention of any kind; wordlessly holding the door for someone is no trouble. It's easy to do charity anonymously, but I have internal conflict in mundane situations such as offering up my seat on a bus to some elder person, or helping lift a baby cart onto a train. I hesitate, and then the opportunity passes, which I instantly regret. It's bizarre and unreasonable. And many around me do it without a second thought. It would seem being highly conscious and being a good human don't always correlate. Doing this work as intensely as I do requires a certain degree of self-absorption, plus there's the residual effect of constantly questioning and deconstructing everything; not all instincts need to be doubted though, they were placed there by God for very good reasons, as soon as you've grasped for yourself what those are they should go back on autopilot. Eventually I must go so deep within myself that it will collapse and be replaced with all the other selves out there.

Let's see who can out-evil me. 

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• Animal cruelty: as a kid, I'd impale small frogs on rose thorns and watch their insides drip. Stepping on ants, tearing off wings and legs of insects. Tying a balloon to my turtle so I wouldn't lose sight of it. Capturing a large frog in a plastic bottle. Tricking cats and dogs repeatedly to approach me and then slamming the door right before their face.
• Mean-spirited pranks, such as locking a nanny in a small room for hours.
• Some bullying, though pretty limited, more often than not it was the other way around.
• Writing hurtful things in a birthday card for a classmate (everyone had to write a wish). Me and a friend wrote some awful stuff, and when the whole class predictably turned on us, we tried to weasel out of it.
• Pretending to be sick, debilitated, or dying. The classic of lying to your mom about having a fever, exaggerating being out of breath during PE lessons to avoid running, simulating drowning at swimming lessons.
• Feigning concern for selfish reasons. Sometimes when mom was away I'd call her in a strategic way, almost like gathering intelligence on an enemy, to ask how she was doing, when the actual goal was to gauge when she'd come home so I could estimate the time I had remaining to do whatever crap I wanted.
• Stealing money, once from mom's friend and once from dad (couple hundred dollars). Also stole an antique once.
• Piracy of media of all kinds. Books, games, courses, movies, music. I actually thought that the reason I don't read or watch courses is because I don't value them as I haven't paid my hard-earned money for them, but that turned out not to be the case; I bought a bunch of books, paid good money, yet they're still collecting dust, It's simply a matter of being too lazy and unmotivated.
• Not caring to speak to older relatives and distant family, half-listening to whatever they said.

That's off the top of my head and the most major stuff, there's surely much more I honestly forgot and some the mind deliberately hides, though I made a sincere effort. Notice how some of these actually highlight the intelligence of survival, very sneaky. The Devil is far from stupid, thinking you can outsmart the Devil is itself the Devil's trap. Having studied and seen tons of cons, a good chunk of them work by making the victim think they're the smart one, the one conning the other party, which then leaves them with their pants down.

In a way, selflessness is like a higher order, meta-selfishness. It's your entire being, so aligning closer with it is the next evolutionary step. It's inefficient to be selfish because you're in opposition to yourself, constantly sabotaging yourself in various forms.

A dizzying amount of work across all axes still remains, but I've finally crossed the boundary of willingly taking on this responsibility, so it'll be an enjoyable kind of pain.

[PsychedelicEagle]

This is from Leo POV how an e-scooter ride looks like.

[Girzo]

On 8.05.2025 at 9:11 AM, Leo Gura said:

How the hell am I supposed to know what Hungarian looks like?

It's a very distinct languauge. Shows you're not from Europe.

[gettoefl]

6 hours ago, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura, why does God want to be corrupt by lowering its consciousness?

To win in the world means another does lose. Corruption, in this dream of separation, is the price of admission. Perhaps God lowers Its consciousness not out of any ill intent but to sample what it means to hunger, to build, to delight and then to see Its beautiful self looking back at itself in the mirror of life.

[fabger]

@Leo Gura @Norbert Somogyi @Princess Arabia

Yoooooo I know the silk girl (Krisztina) from 8th grade in Budapest. I used to crush on her hard. I know she became a famous aerial artist. I hope you guys can believe me lol this is amazing.

[- Adam -]

@fabger There's your dose of synchronicity for the day.

[Leo Gura]

14 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Are you ever going to work in consciousness as a collective on an individual level?

I don't know what that means.