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Psychedelics are awesome when done together with meditation. I believe that efficient meditation systems (like for example Pointing Out the Great Way, Brown), explained in an efficient way, plus Psychedelics (but with coaching from somebody who has walked the path to the end and knows the traps) is the future. Where there is potential, there are (as ususal) also risks and traps. Let's look at Wilbers perspective on the risks and downsides: Main Points from Wilber: The downside comes with people that only use psychedelics or drugs and I found that over the years they just become mean. That somehow it just kind of closes them down it's like you keep doing it and you keep doing it you keep doing it doesn't quite cause the transformation. It can cause a peak experience but generally not a transformative experience and some people like David data will say that you know for altered changes of state to contribute to transformation permanent transformation it has to be basically in endogenous and not exogenous it has to be has your own. See my Endohuasca-Theory and Links to it above. The people that do use both and use it as a sacrament I think an enormous bit out of it. My personal opinion: When you think that the meditation path to make it permanent is not doable for you (for whatever excuse, like genetics) , or seems to unpleasant, maybe you use an inefficient meditation system. Try the one a mentioned above (Pointing Out the Great Way, Brown). I get no roalties or kick-back-paymanents by the way, just love the method/system Agreed, most meditation system on the market have an abysmal "success" rate of Enlightened Ones. But there are some really good ones also. And non of these efficient systems have used Psychedelics + good coaching on top. That is where I believe is the future. Exploring the Multiverse is all nice and important and a wonderful pioneering effort. But as soon as you draw your love/happiness out of the sublime beautiful experiences/understandings, you are playing the same samsaric game of every unenlightened sentient being chasing good emotions to avoid suffering, the usual merry-go-round-cycle. But on a very high level, with quite a show . When psychedelics boost the narcissm/grandiosity of the separate self, well: Best regards from Maya, she just loves you too much to let you go... If you can be "gaslit" on any realization from psychedelics and need to put your foot down: Well, probably the realization of your True Identity (Reality itself) is a bit shaky, or a bit preliminary. The Real Thing can't be shaken. Because You are It, like in "never can not be It". And if you dragged home an alien from I don't know where, and feel like you have become the special-alien-of the day, maybe check if you have received a very seductive love-letter from Maya herself, and consider ordering the Men in Black for the Alien, together with their Flashthing/Neuralyzer that can make you forget: https://meninblack.fandom.com/wiki/Neuralyzer And maybe that Neuralyzer makes you full empty, makes you get rid of the last filters of the separate self, which are just a very very empty, already nondual/mere appearance "feeling" of individuality, a vastly intelligent, potentially "alien" nondual nothing, understanding a lot of the mechanisms of God and the Universe, but still a nothing with the last filter attached to it: Individuality-Arisings (in Wilbers wording, the Transparent Witness, see Religion of the Future), "seeing/looking at" a vast mere appearance Multiverse hovering in Nothingness. So not fully empty yet. And that is the "last few percentage clouds" blocking stable realization, or the sudden Full Enlightenment. Because if the last filters/elements of the separate self go, you can sustain the realization/bliss sobre in daily life.... . Because, if you understood/got rid of all separate self filters IN the psychedelic state, why shouldn't you be able to keep that Realization in daily life? The world gets a shimmering lucid hologram like imagined appearance-illusion-show when you have engaged your Endohuasca-System, which is done with getting rid off these last separate-self elements, see my previous post. At least my experience, and that of countless others in the history of mankind. Why should exactly the Psychedelic-Aficionado not be able to do that? No Endohuasca-system? Well, the receptors in the body seem to be working just fine... Or maybe a different Buddha-Nature? Sorry, just kidding... And if there is no Neuralyzer around, maybe try an efficient meditation system, get to the last stages of Nonmeditation-Yoga (spontaneous automized meditation without a doer still active) And after having used the Neuralyzer or an efficient meditation system, after having looked deeply into the Empty Abyss of your own True Nature/Nothingness, when you are really everything because you are really totally Nothingness (with no 5% clouds remaining), maybe then go hunt for the alien again. But this time, not for getting the love and sweetness of Understanding-experiences or whatever to break the cycle of suffering, but to express the bliss and love of your True Nature that you have then 24/7 going on from your own core. And if one feels gaslit about what I have just written, see the point above: "If you can be "gaslit" on any realization from psychedelics and need to put your foot down: Well, probably the realization of your True Identity (Reality itself) is a bit shaky, or a bit preliminary. The Real Thing can't be shaken. Because You are It, like in never can not be It." And if in doubt: Call these gentlemen, let them take care of the Aliens, look at the Neuralyzer/Flashthing, and get fully empty. But still, the Psychedelic pioneers, facing the unknowns of the Multiverse, exploring Alien intelligences, some even catching an Alien beast or two and dragging them home, going alone boldly to where no one has gone before, facing dangers that nobody else faced before... If there is some material for the movies of the future looking back to our time, where if not there is the true hero's journey to be found... I just hope that they get back from the trips, integrate their experience, get their mindstream awakened all the time, and live happily realized ever after, radiating the love of their own True Being, and maybe even getting the roalties from the upcoming movies of the Psychedelic Heros Journey based on their biography! Bon voyage! In the meantime, It’s for sure one of the most interesting shows on this planet to be seen. At least, it for sure has my attention! Respectfully Yours & mind the possibility of the Bear Manoeuvre in the signature-link below Selling Water by the River

I feel like God is Everything and Alien Intelligence is understanding Nothing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sounds like you are refering that Alien Intelligence as something Other. Anyway, you just re-named God as Alien Intelligence.

You are imagining a life of an alien living on some distant planet. Like, literally right now. You are simply just not conscious enough to understand. It is possible, though. Contemplate this.

Understanding is sononym of raising your consciousness. the walls are not such, they are simply your reach with a certain level of consciousness. people tend to believe that there is an ego mode vs an enlightened mode, and it is not like that, there is a gradual rise in your level of consciousness or understanding of reality. it is normal to reach a level where you feel bliss and silence and think: well, this is it, I have arrived. this is narrow minded imo. understanding is pure beauty, when you realize it's possible, you want more. I don't know about alien that Leo talk about, but he is completely right when he puts understanding above all else.

It's not alien consciousness. Stones don't experience anything at all. That's what I was thinking too.

@Thought Art I agree with this perspective, because there's an order of operations, hierarchy and sequence of events that sometimes need to be acknowledged at least, and sometimes maintained. I also see this issue with capitalism versus communism and socialism, to me it's important that a country has at least implemented capitalistic economies first, secure good regulated markets and a trade system of imports and exports, before we implement socio economics modals. We can't just skip capitalism completely and the means of production and business and commerce and expect that we end up having a flourishing altruistic socialism based country, you need securities beforehand for not just selfishness from other foreign countries but also selfishness in different parts of the system. Similar with the transgender issue, a person must master being feminine and masculine, good mix of qualities from both, grounded, before going full trans, at the very least to think carefully before going the full transformation. Of course, many assumptions being made here, and I'm oversimplifying the complicated processes of the person and other psychological issues, which is why we need that report of the ratio of transgender ideology versus innate gender dysphoria. Maybe our future going forward in humanity, is radical transhumanism, maybe we evolve to be hermaphrodites via gene modifications and cybernetics and alien DNA splicing? Who knows.

I’ll take Alien Consciousness over human consciousness any day. But maybe I’m biased (:

I didn’t need mushrooms or 5-MeO. Good for you!! I am not assuming that I don't know what Alien Consciousness is. I know that I don't know what it is. The only knowledge I have is what Leo mentioned in his post and his poetic description. And on that basis I am comparing my psychedelic experiences with his. Dude Ta-Da doesn't work just anywhere.

I didn’t need mushrooms or 5-MeO. But you do what you gotta do! Also notice how you are comparing your psychedelic experiences with Alien Consciousness, even though you assume that you don’t know what Alien Consciousness is. Ta-Da!

But I am in a rush! Listening to you and all others' experiences. Does anyone has experience with high dose mushroom trips? How is it compared to 5 Meo? I did shrooms once and acid few times and it was always mind-blowing and great. But nothing like Alien Consciousness.

Thankyou ?? This is inspiring! I am willing to. What is Alien Consciousness? Are you talking about the same thing that Leo made the post about? That was some real crazy stuff. And that poetic description he shared - what the fuck? Just reading it was very awakening.

You literally… literally have to drop all your human ideas. I’m not kidding. Alien Consciousness.

Compared to Alien Consciousness, Absolutely.

If the Absolute is Absolute, then it is not only beyond witness and witnessed. It’s also the witness and the witnessed. Paradoxically, there are higher states of consciousness in which your identity transcends human consciousness. You no longer merely experience. There is both story and no story simultaneously, beyond time. You are EVERYTHING. Perhaps this is what Leo means by Alien Consciousness, but who tf knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Take what I’m saying with a grain of salt.

Wrong. Alien consciousness is everything.

Of course it’s hard to talk about. The only way to truly understand Alien Consciousness is to BE Alien Consciousness. It’s like trying to explain algebra to a 5 year old More intimate than any human connection you’ve ever had in your lifetime.

5:39 - holy moly. sounds like Alien Consciousness

It's a way of life for me .. don't you get it? I die on hills not of my own as a way of life. What do you call that if not transcognition? And don't give me a stupid answer. "I call that being stubborn" or some shit. Seriously, I'm trying to find a word for it because it's a way of reverse engineering perspectives that I do as a way of life. With all due respect, I'm not trying to jock you around. This is how I play the learning game, and I get banned from communities that can be intolerant to it. So I appreciate you taking the time to actually have the discussion with me. I really do... Thank you and I mean no disrespect. It just comes across that way a lot of times and it has caused me many scars , and I'm trying to understand what that is that I'm doing , that seems to be so alien among 99.9% of people I meet. I'm just an impudently humble student.

I mean to think that there are others. You vs others, not to became a different you. You could became an alien but it's still you

I’ve had experiences lately of this not being an issue at all. Perhaps Alien in nature.

Briefly journaling before meditating, I went to the expose yesterday I did not enjoy the heavy status orientation. Currently i find it tricky, as I feel I am in this exploit, these status checks and beign seen as stupid and this mastery thing, I could let go of so much stuff I generated a new plan. That still fits massively into the old one, and I will just apply and see what I get after I graduated now. I also have to see how to network and make money and business contacts, my chinese friend was quiet good, yet at times from the outside it feels like he is treated as a ressource, as he goes to high-stakeholders who do not respect him fundamentally, he does not see that as well, he really is odd. What I can say, also here is mostly that just networking and creating does me way better to not loose track and I gain a lot of confidence, getting a lot of feedback I get very lost, when I don't have a lengthy and extensive discussions I don't see mistakes that easily, yet I overfocus on error... It's not easy to describe. Generally I am looking where to upgrade and optimize, and continue. See where I can min/max and read more about how f*edly orange most of the dating is again, I have 3 dates and or even 4 I don't know. This time it works out better, and I have to read these books from experience, they are even better than most of the infield videos, besides if you exactly go for these horny nutty women and also the toxicity of women and the denial of their devilry in a sense of the evolutionary characterstics higher order and developed women generally function a lot more holistically, so they give more feedback on the lower stages properly. The point is they all want a deep masculine big man, who can f them, that is what my essence checks, and of course stabillity financially. I notice when I learned game, it's not about having the women, it's keeping other men at bay. That was the oddest inisght I had, as well as how tricky some stuff is to navigate. I basically will do some minor projects and continue studying. I did not properly upgrade to the liberterian mindset, and I did not integrate enough lessons from the good side of capitalism .... like my marketing professor clearly demonstrated and showed me .... he had the same issue as a "beign raised" in the marxist society, and the guilt sort of of not beign top level elite, yet having tried and underwent the process. The point is he wished he would not have fked his health that much I bet. I notice I can have some small leverage and cheaty ways to get status, for example I could buy an alcholc free beverage and it makes others more prone into believing etc. Subtle small things like this. I am not that great at communicating the value I could offer at times. As well as concentratively working on this stuff. They all also teach still visioning and envisioning mostly from all the success books. I gave up visualizing often, as expansion and contraction flow seems to work better and does not kill me as much.... I wish I could visualize and have the somewhat gurantee, yet there is still so much fear. This is just better to work energetically and take more practical planned endeavours, I still focus on generally thinking and re-framing mostly into the positive, INTP's are pretty insane creatures all I can say, very alien everytime I meet them and see them inaction. Let's see how well this will go.....what I am currently learning and reflecting on, I still don't approach others and I don't do well with the guys who are to conservative when it comes to women, yet they steadily talk about it. The point is the merit and solving problems point, is something I have to nudge myself into with more physical strength and not only mental I can learn a lot of things better I find. I also feel I would do better in America, as they projected America on me, yet I never acted it out, yet the Americans react to it, it's very very odd!!! They humanely also frame energy onto me very often, working with expansion and contraction flow is very good I could be closer to visionaries, and get some practice and bouts of it in from time to time. I also am consuming some borderline pick-up stuff, that I don't enjoy, yet it's pretty good content and the success thing I can visualize more.... focusing on efficiency.... I could plan do and still trip etc. ---- I notice the stupidity of conservatives, when you are open-minded it's very obvious and it somehow has to stem from a level of self-conviction beyond my current belief. I see and notice many things, it's insane I feel like we have one of the first normal cases, where a.i can make the world beautifucl for a severly handicaped person, which benefits the joy of community by sheerly existing. I saw one more severly handicaped person, it's insane. I'll take this stuff now a bit more seriously, especially the health ideas that are relavtively cheap. As well as study and learn a lot! This is fundamental to everything.... and simply apply find out the information and work my way up in that sense, what I miss is fundamentally this beign a linchpin I only had this once in my life. This is what I find very difficult at times, I might be overrating and undervaluing myself very often, which is a very tricky endeavour. Currently dating and the emotional damage I have unearthed and detected is the the biggest and most curious thing. Also with some office politics etc. I do have to read about power, it's heavy how far even the most conscious people go to co-opt their status and I generally can let go of it, yet I notice how some other stuff with reputation just hurts. I mostly then focused on becoming simply better for myself and focus on the image I am generating and not they/them. This is still a good policy. As I have no control over this. Beign human is a weird experiene all I can say, I wish I would be a biologist . This is it as a reflection today. The point is by following results maker and these videos I noticed how much they sacrfice, and this is one thing I tried my best in and failed at times. To not get bullshitted, still make contacts and work with the best stuff, and see the sincerity in others. I do have to apply more and work on confidence, in some way and or another even more and be even more narccisitc. Just practice a lot the point is my "played narccism" etc. Scores me girls I fundamentally now feel I would simply use for sex, so she deleted me stage purple type of dates are very bad. Very very bad. Last piece of info.... it's insane how low the information is beign consumed for some etc. etc. etc. All I can say for now is I choose the right niche, the salary is pretty I am just now at a very odd point of technical integration. I notice how much some the gut feeling of myself is saboatging things and it's mostly about health etc. It's interesting to learn from conservatives, yet they are exploting like hell at times, and currently the liberterian side of "dating with so much orange" I can ironically have a healthy relationship with them, even energy wise. The biggest issue is getting started and not totally letting my health destroyed by having to fit in etc. I do have to see and apply for a lot of things.... I just don't know what works even the best of planning will not save me in any way, it might even obstruct the process.... Unsure what to currently say here. Besides that I have to integrate some status conscious shadow again with lower class and health and see how to work around this, and also build confidence. The point is getting the same remarks over and over in a social setting and not responding playfully with it to be more confident. Re-direct the intent, and play with this boosting my EQ sort of. I will let go of that more. It's ironic why I also choose exactly red haired and blue eyed people at times on this love map thingy, it's insane as one guy was a real asshole when I befriended him and I generally get better vibes here. The point is now moving more into the body and beign confident, the injury caused some insecurties and unique challenges etc. I can now get more insight etc.... I'll post the meditation result, I also check Owen Cook at times I notice he is a fan of Leo 100%. It's odd, yet the point is I have to integrate a liberterian way of things not conservative, that is the tricky part and unique... I've meet to many conservatives.

The problem is not how people identify. The problem is exposing sexually immature people to sex. This by definition is minor abuse. What would you do if you knew I was showing porn to a 4-year-old? Certain themes demand mental and physical maturity to be properly developed. That's why we rate content. I'm no moralist. You can get into a 10-day alien orgy, and I would blink an eye at that information. I just don't think this helps people develop themselves properly. Understanding how concrete things work is the main purpose of childhood. Developing spatial notions, basic social notions, and physiological notions. Self-identity, and personality, demand maturity to be properly defined.

What if you stop taking into consideration what Leo says? What if you just do your stuff and see for yourself with zero concern for Leo or any other teacher? There's a subtle balance between being close minded and too arrogant, and being too dependent on others. I'm not talking down on you, when I say you I mean me too. I'm getting kind of sick of listening to anybody about spirituality because all I know is what I experience for myself. If Leo says you can become an alien mouse and experience unimaginable states of consciousness beyond anything anyone has ever talked about, all I can say is: okay. I don't dismiss you. But I can't just believe you. Because all I really know is my experience. You know when someone explains something ordinary to you but you only truly understand when you try it yourself and have the experience? How could Awakening be different? This is what Leo is teaching us more recently with his aggressive tone. STOP BELIEVING OTHERS, SEE FOR YOURSELF!!! Fuck, it's so obvious... But it's so easy to fall for it.

I mean you describe all these realms and awakenings but won't discuss sourcing. That's like saying..just go through that door over there and be God realized and learn about alien consciousness, but I have the key to the door and I'm not letting you use mine and I'm not letting you know how to get the key. So...gee thanks?