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experience is required in order that nothingness could experience itself. nothingness is all alone and its wondering "am i all alone?", it cannot know because there is nobody there to tell it that its all alone. to realize its own qualitites MIND must have an experience. through experience nothingness is not only being itself but also undestands itself, MIND = GOD = NOTHINGNESS = EXPERIENCE = UNDESRTANDING

everything could exist, nothingness included.

It is a red flag to speak of something rather than nothing. Any distinction is just another duality. Solipsists claim that they are everything. Nihilists claim that only nothingness is real. Ultimate reality laughs at claims. Consciousness is beyond something and nothing. It cannot be conceptualized, only Self-realized. We are it, and everything and every nothing is it.

Yeah I've noticed this too. As stage green becomes more and more prevalent... we will see more mis-use of psychological terms like gaslighting, projection, narcissist... Narcissist is a funny one because many people think that others who are self-absorbed are narcissists.... but LOL isn't every single ego a narcissist? Even calling another person a narcissist is already implying that you aren't selfless enough to step into their shoes and understand their behavior. Projection is a funny one too... often I'll make a comment about my opinion of someone or something and I'll be told: "that's your projection." No shit... all of existence is my projection. The existence of "other people" is my projection. The existence of the world itself is my projection. Everything is a fabricated story that is projected by God's mind onto Nothingness. What concept, thought, word, or story isn't a projection?

I always wonder why people who have experienced this commonly use the term 'nothingness' since nothing can't really exist. At least something exist, but I once read the same word spelled differently as in 'NO-THINGNESS' . The hyphen makes a big difference, pointing to 'not a thing', but still beingness'. I still don't understand why this beingness goes along with what we associate with 'happy feelings' which is not neutral nor unhappy and I've also seen it described as non-emotional happiness being non-dual. But then why there is no non-emotional non-dual sadness ?

Nobody on here (myself included) knows what they are talking about. No one on here (myself included) is awake or Truth-realized. Buddhism is NOT Awakening. Cessation is NOT Awakening. Meditation is NOT Awakening Psychedelics are NOT Awakening. Mystical Experiences are NOT Awakening. Hallucination is NOT Awakening. Reading a spiritual book is NOT Awakening Nothingness is NOT Awakening. Any blissful feeling you have is NOT Awakening Spiritual Enlightenment is NOT Awakening. And finally, Leo or Actualized.org is NOT Awakening. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Awakening IS Truth-Realization Truth-Realization = Complete Understanding of Reality

@r0ckyreed I`m pointing towards existence, which is formless, so it's difficult for you to grasp. Yet it still IS and is not really "nothing", but as far as symbols go, nothingness is as good as it gets, because there are no attributes to it. Comon guys, these are rudamentary things which you get after first cessation. Start peddaling harder, because Leo is way ahead. You probably have no idea what Leo is really teaching, or you only understand it, but you have not verified it. So stop philosophising emptily and go do the practices. You need enlightenment experiences.

Infinite dimension of empty consciousness! Which I guess Consciousness is neither something nor nothing. Consciousness isn’t an object and it isn’t nonexistent. What are you really pointing to then? Nothing or something? In my experience, the only Nothing you can point to is yourself. Where you think your eyes, brain, and head are, there is nothing, but there is also everything. You really are pointing at everything which includes the nothingness behind your eyes. Consciousness is Everything!

@Someone here you have to experience the void to get it. It's not an absence of everything. @r0ckyreed of course non-existence does not exist, lol. That's completly opposite of what I am pointing to. Nothingness exists - the end.

What is nothingness? As an example of what I mean by this question, lets suppose the universe is everything that exists, then shrink it down back to the singularity and imagine, if possible that the singularity vanishing from existence. Absolute nothingness (You cannot say nothing is left, or you have nothing left, because the word "IS" and LEFT and HAVE, denote that you have a something.) Maybe we could use "Absolute nothingness= Total Absence of Everything? An infinite totally empty void is not nothing, it is three dimentional empty space! Can one describe a negation like this in words?

Nothingness is existence itself.

@Leo Gura I can relate with much of what you are saying here. This has been my daily experience as well, Maybe not exact to yours but it is like an effortless consciousness I can just ride on, Lately I have not even been seeing rooms just my own mind, Even the sensation of it being a seperate room is immediately right here it is like a nonspecific permanent samadhi with anything throughout my experience, Although there are gradations of awareness and I can fall totally asleep thinking I’m awake when I’m not, It’s like nested unconsciousness for me that the only barrier is these assumed buildups of unconsciousness like air-pockets between connections, I suppose that’s a feature not a bug though that I have an aspect that is totally dead and unaware to whatever happens in consciousness no matter how lively the sights are I am completely aware that it’s nothing. Basically I am living as my realized imagination and it’s complete nothingness, I am imagining everything just as I imagine an apple in my thoughts. But it has an alien quality but I think it’s separate from what your talking about this is so depersonalized I wouldn’t even call it alien, Alien is not enough, I don’t find the label alien satisfying for me cause I sense it as beyond alien but a complete mind duck of a nonexistent oddity yet not alien or different, It’s not alien it’s absolute familiarness within everything, If an alien were to come to me yes there would be ego shock but that’s me! The extent to which I cannot see the sameness within alienness is my delusion that prevents me from samadhi with all items of my imagination, These realizations and insights all feel so very fresh for me, I am infinite consciousness is the main insight, I just get pummeled by roiling infinity as you described it in your salvia episode all the time, It’s a total recontextualization of every single content of my perceptions, It is quite hallucinatory but it’s less than my metaphysical contemplations used to be which is weird I have reached a point of integration where I can integrate some of the more far out imaginings, Before I was always giving my friends I was trying to teach just straight up whacky examples of relativity with like ideas of like stuff they wouldn’t think is real in consensus, Now it’s just an infinitely present room or whatever is here, It’s a room for me right now. and it goes meta, That’s where psychedelics are leading me rather than tangential hallucinations nowadays, Psychedelics are just more of this than I would be experiencing on a daily basis but same insights, Just different approaches and magnitudes of consciousness but same dynamics apply at the highest level, I have one question though if you integrate all difference with you really be able to perceive anything as alien or truly different? Why’s it alien if I’m everything,including all of the strains of infinity? Isn’t everything going to obviously encompass all difference and divergence? alien being maximum divergence from what we consider normal, Isn’t that a part of the natural that it is the supernatural?

Nothingness vibrates and poof - a dream manifest. It's all a vibration on the most fundamental level. And what is vibrating? Nothingness within itself.

The etymology of "exist" means "to stand out". So nothingness does not exist. Only phenomena exist. Ultimate reality is beyond nothingness and thingness, which are dualities. Consciousness is all there is, and creation/destruction is the eternal game it plays. This multitude of beings is created and destroyed again and again in the succeeding days and nights of Brahma. But beyond this formless state there is another, unmanifested reality, which is eternal and is not dissolved when the cosmos is destroyed.

I’ve had glimpses/moments of nothingness. Even though with no concepts or labels, there was still sense perception, they were fleeting but still felt and sensed, just nothing to call it, as a thing as I was rested in stillness – no mind labelling or attaching, just ‘observation without knowing’. Maybe I’ve not gone deep enough yet but the realisations I got in terms of ‘no people, no you’ was that because labels and concepts try to define everything we see or sense as something, but as soon as that happens it denies what actually is. Felt I was getting there again last night after some contemplation. Don’t know how to explain but it feels like nothing at the core and sensations are passing through, but the word ‘sensations’ is just another label to try and describe something that can never really be known, only felt/sensed. When the mind begins to label, get involved, and make meaning about what these sensations could be is when you deny what actually is, right? But all this still doesn’t mean that there isn’t something to be aware of surely? Observation without labels, attachment, etc still experiences but again we can’t call it by that or anything which essentially makes it nothing but its still here, right now, always??

Just be careful not to confuse the void with the end of the journey, because it is not. Some spiritual paths might say that it is - like Spira, Budhism and others. The nothingness stage is just a stop between the regular human consciuosness and God-consciousness. It is peaceful, but nothing that significant.

@How to be wise what is nothing then? Being? Oneness? Nothing… lol just isness? Nothing and everything are the same? But still, there must’ve been an original point of absolute nothingness where none of this was or anything was ever perceived, imagined and sensed? The explanation of nothing being limitless therefore infinite potential seeks to make sense, and I guess this right here right now proves it? How else could such a crazy phenomena appear to be? The ‘Big Bang’ is when nothing woke up?? And that just happened because anything is possible there? Fuck knows

@How to be wise how do you define nothing? To me nothing is nothing with absolutely no properties. Nothing going at all, no life, no dream, no imagination. Just because the dream state feels intangible doesn’t mean it’s not perceived?? Nothing would have no perception and nothing perceived surely? Isn’t this what Leo was talking about in his ‘what is love?’ Videos? Where he went on an intensive enlightenment retreat and began to awaken to the nature of love but some Buddhists were denying it and still claiming nothingness when love/consciousness is here all around us in actuality

@Galyna @How to be wise It’s still something tho right? A dream is still an object of awareness? Like Leo says about solipsism, “nothing is real, unless you imagine it.” So how did imagination spring from absolute nothingness? I guess the zero is infinity explanation is why???‍♂️

Leo, I remember reading that you were unaware of the fact that consciousness vibrates within itself. Has this changed? It's a distinct awakening into vibration that one can have. I presume that because you deny vibration, you discredit a larger part of science than you should. Knowing that nothingness vibrates opens up new things to contemplate as well.

@Vibroverse it's not something you can figure out by thinking, you need to directly experience the universe vibrate. I experienced the universe vibrate after a cessation. It was within the formless realm still, of course. It's a paradox, but nothingness vibrates within itself. What's vibrating? Nothing! Yet it still occurs. It's litetally a movement of up and down, like in the pictures, but it happens within the nothingness of your mind. Of course, there are still many mysteries surrounding the workings of vibration.

How does God or Nothingness decide what can be and what can't be though? How can there even be such a thing as "something that cannot be" unless Reality was that thing first in order to reject it? It's the same thing when you consider there's nothing outside of God, so what space do the things that can't be occupy? It's very strange because the same people here who say Consciousness has no limits say stuff such as "what can be". I think Consciousness does have limits, we just don't understand them. Another very interesting thing I've read on full-blown trip reports is that people say they have experienced "All That Is and Ever Will Be" as well as Omniscience. Isn't God supposed to be infinite? Such a thing as an "Ever Will Be" sounds like a limit itself, and means we'll experience the same things over and over again for eternity, an infinite loop. As per the Omniscience side, the more advanced users here have said that all the knowledge gotten from Infinity can be recontextualized indefinitely because it's unlimited. Ever new insights that have no end. How can you be aware of an infinite amount of knowledge at once?

because zero and infinity touch. total zero, absolute nothingness, is absence of limitations. this absence of limits makes nothingness be. be you, since there is only one nothing and one being. you, being, and having no limits, explode in a creative explosion in which everything that can be, is. empty infinity is full infinity. nothing is everything. absolute potential that contains all of existence. Total singularity, without opposite. nothing=everything=you this process was not once, an origin, long ago. is being now, always. the eternal source that flows from the void now. you can realize it at any time, it's what we are.

What you say is true in part. Imagine that you have done 5 meo, and the whole dream vanished, there was absolutely nothing left, and nothingness was revealed as infinity, and infinity as you, the total that it always is. the absolute, the glory. then I think: that is awakening. but that experience of infinity is something that I'm remembering right now. it is part of the current dream. It is only speculative. Right now I'm in the dream and I can't get out of it. if I meditate for two hours, it seems that the limits evaporate. but have I ever meditated or is it something I imagine now, in the dream? But in another hand, I see the dream right now, and I recognize the apparent as infinite, I recognize what seems not me as me, I recognize the dream as absolute. So, I see that to be awake is to be dreaming.

>Notes with ">" are me commenting after the fact >Also I cut out things that were just so useless that didn't add anything, Mushroom Trip Report 004 Trip Hype Music lol https://youtu.be/80qd6UJn4QI I've got a lot of fear with this one, but fear points North. Fear is just a part of myself that I have not loved and accepted yet. As all is one. See my bone writing page of December 20th, 2020. Put it here. Bone Writing: Feel the fear and do it anyway. When you're nervous for a shroom trip, that's just an indicator that your mind knows a part of it is going to die. So as a result, it introduces fear and anxiety as a self-preserving defense mechanism. Fear and anxiety is a good sign that growth is ahead. So feel the fear and do it anyway. I got to read that book. It might even help me with fear. But what will really help me transcend fear is by contemplating about it and tripping about it's nature. I need to watch Leo's videos on fear. With experience, fear is overcome. I think having more positive shroom trips at the high dosages will be beneficial. Well in Truth, they're all positive. Really positive. Well at least after I face the Dragon/ the peak. Honestly, it's like how it is with those water slides. The hardest part is getting on the slide. Likewise, the hardest part is getting on the trip, and getting past the come-up. With experience, my fear will dissipate. I trust my subconscious that anything I experience is for my best interest. I would never truly hurt myself. Therefore, I am safe. Starfish and enjoy my friend. (Scared of Mirrors) Whatever I fear, it will be overcome with more experience. Through great healing comes rapture. Fear is the gate, and a manifestation of your inner calling. Fear is what points North. You know a mirror can't hurt you, what you fear is a part of yourself that you haven't loved and accepted yet. Because it is all you. It's all one. It's all God! It's all infinite love! I give up my love to the world. And my love comes back. Whatever happens for me is for my spiritual growth. December 20th 2020 2 grams of golden teachers. Grinded the mushrooms as much as I could. Came out to many very small pieces. Soaked in lemon juice, made tea with with it, strained it with a French press. Consumed the tea on an empty stomach. Intention: Release Trauma from Bullying Taken at 4:18pm Immediately feel brain effects. 20 minutes in, feeling a slight shift in consciousness. 24 min Colours more Vivid Feeling different. Things subtly moving here and there. 25 minutes, yawning. Feeling activation in my brain. It's definitely kicking in now. 29 min Sleepy, yawning. What if shit moving is the default state of reality? >What if there is no default state? What if shit moving is the default state of reality? >What if there is no default state? 36 min Yeah I'm in for a good activation. Something is coming out of me I know I know I know 38 min Yep the come up is now. My hands are shaking, maybe from Fear. The creature is coming out. That was only the first small peak, I'm in for the greatest ride of my life, so far. Be present to get out of your head and into your life. 45min We in it. >Hahaha Maybe there isn't that much trauma there, because I've already grown. Maybe I'm not focussing on it enough. >Wasn't focusing on it enough. So much yawning. Ok Music time. (I don't even put on the music) 49min My hand is looking like an ape. 54min (Starting to do trauma Work) Crying and laughing. We in it. > So at this point I was going to town releasing trauma, laughing and crying, laughing and crying. 1h17min Shit moves. My head is Alien. Mom I don't want to look at your eyes fuck you. >My mom was being the therapist there, helping me release my trauma. Her eyes looked freaky on shrooms. 1h 41min Yeah shit is super trippy. It's like it's moving in slow motion like you're watching the matrix and it's like cutting frame by frame. Reality is like a fucking dream. (reality is really feeling like a dream at this point. Like the parts of the brain that are connected makes it feel like you're in the dream world. ) You know right now it feels like you're at the top of a roller coaster and you don't get that release of going down. You're just stuck at the top of the drop with that anxiety. But I think this is what it means to feel Fully Alive, to have your being be completely present. Okay sober me, listen. You not looking at yourself here on shrooms, is like refusing to look at your toes. You have to fully accept and embrace and love the black holes of eyes and your mother. As a consciousness being, you're always alone anyways. It was only you. 1h 54 min Reality is a complete fucking dream. I've also already released a lot of emotion. I can see how if you are tripping so hard, reality is gone. Why does God want to experience anxiety? So he can feel Fully Alive. But God is alive, is God is nothingness (beliefs). Just expressing himself. Well he's here. Reality is existing right now. Why doesn't it not? God could totally just make it that nothing exists. But I guess this is what the natural way is. It's just reality. Reality super deep. I know. 2h There's nothing but God completely filling all of your ear holes and eye holes. There's just so much God to experience. It's overwhelming. Wow. Reality do be Vivid and intense. Like I'm in it. I really in it. You're going to love an ego death. In time you will come to face all of your fears and love all of reality. Even the intense parts. The intense Parts have to be lived as well. Reality is completely a dream right now. Like I'm sleeping. The Greatest Adventure in your life is in your consciousness. Life is just Consciousness expressing itself to you. You're just dancing with yourself that in a very infinite way. Facing your fears is what makes you feel so alive. Every receptor my body is fully alive. Fear is what makes you fully alive. >If you want to feel fully alive, run towards what you fear. It feels like a dream, I feel though at the same time a strange amount of safeness, I feel so safe. Nothing can harm me, it's just all experience. Yeah you're going to fear your next trip, but that's okay. That is okay like I am, right now. It is all in your life plan to feel fear before you go on a trip. Just like how you become calm in the regular world. You will become calm in the shroom world. You'll get used to it. And you'll find it your new home. It's just another part of reality. (Talking about differences in Consciousness from person to person) The way I see reality is completely different in the way you see reality. We're like on different planets. We're experiencing our own planet. > realizing that people are fundamentally unable to be understood. Because all we know is from our projections. 3h Peak is probably gone because eyes are not appearing in my mind's eye and bleeding into reality anymore. >Hallucinations less intense. Life is just you experiencing yourself. The Greatest Adventure in life is the one in your mind. https://youtu.be/Lv-SvmaPCKI You keep running, but you're just running away from yourself. Shadow work is so easy while I'm shrooms. Even when you're crying, you still feel like your hugged. I'm finally getting the hug that I deserve. Reality is just a constant merging with "out there" and "in here". Out there in reality & in here in your mind. Out there looks freaky, but then you realize that freaky is you. Right now I'm looking at my hand. The back of my hand. >It's looking pretty freaky. Just learn to sit there and enjoy the moment, because the moment is so invigorating. Trust that you will feel FUCKING AMAZING after the trip. >Start looking forward to the positives from the trip! It's an amazing adventure! Going to a bob marley concert on shrooms would be amazing. Like going in real life, with people all around you. https://youtu.be/1A95dcLxAuA (Shrooms are) Redemption from your mind. It is true. Let love guide you, not fear. (me reflecting on the courage I had to go on this trip.) This art is stellar. I think there's a face in it behind the 2d drawings. But its hard to make out. Reality is a gift. Every state of consciousness is a gift that you're given. Even the really shitty boring states of consciousness. If you're in your fear long enough you just become comfortable with it. You just need more exposure time, giving you that exposure time allows for a merge to happen. I'm really convinced that the way I experience reality is completely fucking different than how you experience reality. I'm talking to you (anyone). Fear is just a Deeper love. (Hidden behind a Gate) Let love guide you, not fear. This is a law to myself. Reality is only boring because you've been in it for so long. Your present State of Consciousness has become so normalized is that you got bored of it, if you experience different states of Consciousness, then your normal state of consciousness will feel great. This is amazing https://youtu.be/hC8CH0Z3L54 Fear is what makes you alive. You need fear for it is a part of you. Merge with it. The way you get through trauma is by intentionally merging with it more and more. My most deepest need is to experience all of reality. I'm always trying to figure things out. Your words colour reality. (Saw this on a deeper level) Pause life and be patient. We all REALLY just need to love eachother. Reality works best when we love. Take the ego out and love. Lift everybody up in your mind to the highest. Make everyone a legend. Even if "they're not" a legend in your mind. They are. Everybody is a fucking legend. Through that, I become a legend aswell. If someone doesn't accept your love, then that's just them. They're not ready to accept your love yet. They have to face their own fears. Imagine living a life with ZERO fear, because you've merged completely with it. To do trauma work on shrooms, you just have to repeatedly get the client to merge with what they're traumatized about. Like massaging out a knot in your muscles. Doing trauma work is like massaging out a knot in your muscles. You have to apply pressure on it and kneed it for awhile. You love your friends so much that you withhold saying "I love you" because you love them so much, you're protecting their ego. You withhold saying "I love you" because they're not ready to hear it. Reality is right when you merge with fear. Merging with fear is what gives life its adventure. You are a creature looking for one love source to another love source, when you can just be the love source, and then you will always feel loved. Shrooms are really good for loosening up those dumb little clamps on reality that your mind likes to put on it via belief systems and paradigms. Beliefs about how reality SHOULD be! It breaks all that LOOSE. The reason why shroom trips are so crazy is because you've suppressed the mystery of reality for so long. Do enough shrooms and you'll have no fear. You would have merged with it all. Trust that everybody is living their best survival strategy given their life experience / their soul / their vessel. Shrooms teach us how to love. Imagine being excited for your next shroom trip instead of crying scared. (Which was this morning) Fear is just hidden love. 5h 20 min 5 hours in, my ego is clamping down with the feeling of shame. ("How dare you love all these people!") Which is why the ego can go fuck itself. Definitely sobering up a bit. On shrooms you revert back to the playful creature that you are. I have to make the end of my trips really positive so I have a positive merge with normal reality. This is something I definetly fucked up on, you are still extremely sensitive from a comedown on a trip, so if you are hit with negativity, you really feel it 7h Very much sobered up, but still very sensitive and stimulated. I have to make sure that I am kept in a positive environment until I'm completely sober, cuz I remember that leaving a bad taste in my mouth in my last trip. I was still super sensitive and I received negative input from other people that was around me, and that sucked ass. The eye is a very good metaphor for consciousness. If you look closely enough, it's just Hollow, empty. Consciousness is emptiness. Overcoming fear is the master key to life. Merging with it. When you merge with fear, you get what you want, which is you! Post Trip Report The trip has taught me to love more from a non egoic place. I've released tons of trauma relating to bullies that I've experienced in my life. I realized that they were just using me as a mood changer because they felt inadequate. I also faced a lot of my fears of the visuals that come up on shrooms. Especially my fear of looking at myself in a mirror while having distorted vision. I think I've released a lot of my fear about going on psychedelics because I've had a lot of insight into the nature of fear itself. I can only see that fear continues to be reduced through more and more experience. Which is GOOD! Another thing I've realized through several days after the trip is I cleared out a lot of energy blockages and I somehow have summoned a lot more energy in me. I also have a huge increased ability for emotional authenticity. I just allow emotions to flow through me more authentically and easily.