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				InfinityBeats replied to patricknotstar's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
If you were stuck in a void where you were nothingness but your thoughts continued forever, what would stop you from imagining endless beautiful realities and stories? The assumption that it would be a hell state implies that you are not stuck inside a void, but rather in some kind of reality where some being other than yourself is causing you to suffer. If it was truly a void with nothing but your thoughts, there wouldn't be anything to make it a hell state. You wouldn't be bored, because you would have your mind to endlessly stimulate you. If took a break from stimulating yourself with imagination, you'd basically just default to bliss because you'd essentially be in a state of being that contains no "problems" because those would have to be imagined. If some kind of problem existed underneath everything when you stopped imagining things, then it wouldn't be a void. Endlessly stimulating yourself with imagination doesn't necessary work this way when you're a human (or imagining yourself as a human? ) because we have bodies that get uncomfortable, restless, tired, hungry, etc. but if you were just a mind in a void, these "limits" wouldn't exist unless you put them upon yourself by imagining them, so you would basically be in heaven, not hell. - 
	Yes .ceasing to exist forever is the perfect state. That's what Leo calls "melting into infinite love " . He doesn't want to blunt about it and tell you that you will have no form forever. Do you remember before you were born? Weren't you peaceful back then? I don't see why people are afraid of it. Either it's the beginning of another exciting part of a human being's life or it's nothingness and you won't care because you won't know. So I don't think it's anything to worry about. I answered below :
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				Breakingthewall replied to RMQualtrough's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
And believe me, there is one last door. you have to dive headfirst, without reservation, into the absolute horror of absolute nothingness. this is not a joke. absolute emptiness. you have to disappear really. then the jet reactor will emerge and from it will sprout the inexhaustible jet of the glory of existence and a feeling will emerge: hallelujah. Hallelujah. and your heart will open Sounds wo wo? It's the reality - 
	
	
				Someone here replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
What about deep sleep? It seems like Perfect nothingness. As if nothing ever happened and never existed. It seems like there is no consciousness during deep sleep.. It's not even dark, black or empty.. It's so much nothing that even the concept of nothing isn't it..... What happens exactly during deep sleep? Ramana maharshi used to say 'you are closer to your true nature during deep sleep'. - 
	
	
				Razard86 replied to Razard86's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Exactly there is a purpose to it. Eventually....you get tired of struggling and fighting...and you just accept. Its why enlightenment is inevitable. One day it just dawned on me I was like "Ohhhhh life just happens, how could I forget?" I was never in control. There is NO BODY controlling anything. If everything is SELF....then I am not a self, everything is me, my resistance is akin to a kidney having self-awareness suddenly waking up and thinking it is separate from the body. It asks questions like why am I here, what is my purpose? It then resists against the body, and struggles all in vain thinking it has some control, until one day it realizes its not the kidney, but the whole body and it relaxes....then it becomes one with the whole body. Humans have this issue. They have been given the gift of imagination, which basically makes them God in a finite form. They can create anything...and the first thing they created....was a finite self amidst an Infinite Self. The moment they did this...they created a World of Suffering. You can't suffer without a self. Ask yourself...can a kidney suffer? It can if it creates a self. Now notice this...Everything God creates...God becomes, so self is creation, so the self you are, you also created. So your ego is imaginary, but everything is imaginary, so your self is just as real as your human body. It is indistinguishable and that is why it is so hard to find your TRUE SELF, the NO SELF, the NO SELF that constantly creates a self. A self is just a creation that has a life. A beginning and an end. NO-SELF exists eternally, while SELF exists finitely. SELF can only exist within thought, emotion, and activity. If there is no activity going on...there is NO SELF. Just emptiness, nothingness. Everything was always this...but with thought, emotion, and activity...it can appear this has changed and a life emerges. 1. You could...you just may not WANT TOO. There is no difference between you and another human. If a human can do it...so can you. The only real limitations you have would be stuff like aptitude, but you would be amazed at what repetition and practice can create. Most humans have no clue what their true potential is. 2. Humanity has been adapting to far worse, poverty today is no where near as bad as how bad it was being a hunter-gatherer in the jungle/forest. So its all context. If humanity survived then, they could survive now. Since you ARE THEM, you can do it now. There is no separation. You already know I am right, you just fell asleep again. 4. Picture how you were as a child, picture how you are now, the child version of you could look at you and say how could I ever become them? Easy...because its you!!! There is no difference between the child version of you and the current version of you. But you can create that distinction. You can create a distinction between you now, and 5 seconds ago. LOL. distinctions are hilarious!!! - 
	
	
				Someone here replied to _Archangel_'s topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
If I hold a unicorn in my mind right now..it displays as a faint image. Then it fades into nothingness or my memory probably. So I don't get how abstract objects are eternal. They seem subject to time and change. - 
	After so many trips, so many retreats, so many meditations, so many so called "awakenings"... I still find myself alone in my room shocked in how this is actually possible (that God is real). Its like the amount of brainwash of materialism run so deep that it just doesn't take 1, 2, 3, or 4 awakenings to actually even consider this to be real. it takes years and years and many many many realizations and basking in that formless consciousness so that when you are in a normal, relatively "mainstream" functional state of consciousness, you can really be conscious and accept that yes, your experiences and realizations are valid, yes, this is real. Death is not real. Reality is infinite. My life is a dream. God is pure nothingness in all directions. And 99.9% of humans are fucking clueless about it and they believe 100% in the materialism paradigm. Fuck the illusion its so well designed Lmao. But I guess that way its even funnier when you really accept God completely.
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				r0ckyreed replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
This moment is an infinite amount of time. This moment is never out of reach. Christians can use that same logic right? Q: If something can’t come from nothingness, who created God? A: An earlier uncaused divine being, known as the first cause. There problem solved. Or is it? See this first cause stuff is foolish. This moment right now is absolute and uncaused. We don’t need to create gods, big bangs, and first causes or infinite regresses to explain it. If we try to explain this moment, then it is an infinite search because this moment is infinite. Whatever you think is The Cause of this Moment is a dream inside of This Moment. - 
	
	
				Someone here replied to Someone here's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I think you are not grasping the infinite regress problem. You cannot say that this present moment is caused by an infinite chain of previous causes. Because it would take infinite time to reach this moment. Therefore never really reach it . Example: Q: If something can’t come from nothingness, who created God? A: An earlier divine being. Q: Who created the earlier divine being? A: An even earlier divine being. Q: And who created that divine being? A: An even earlier divine being. Q: And who created that divine being? A: An even earlier divine being. Q: And who created that divine being? …and so on forever.. - 
	I took out that beautiful powder and proceeded to snort it. While I was cleaning the set before laying down in bed, I start noticing a bit of stiffness in my body, not as fluid as normal. Also, as I have not much experience with ketamine, I was a bit fearful about the dosage, yet surrendering and going with the flow. I lie in my bed and put the diamond sutra. I feel a strong coming up of ketamine with a bit of anxiety and mind thought did I take too much? Will I be able to handle it? Am I going to lose my shit in this trip? However, this is one of the few hindrances I have during my trips, I generally do not feel good in the coming up. So, I realized nothing could be done at that moment, you just relax and let it be without carrying on with the thought current of fear. All the body starts feeling more relaxed, almost numb, not in an uncomfortable way but also not in a pleasurable way, it was the way it was, and probably this pointer is very much the flavor of ketamine I got, anyway, let's carry on. At that moment, my cat enters my room, she knows I was tripping and went to say hello, I was a bit unsettled by her company when she moved but once she started sleeping me with it was great, if you trip with animals you know. I start feeling more spacious, like I have an inch more of sight before my eyes, like I was seeing from inside my skull. For a moment, to come up was strong and I started getting a bit of this feeling of no directions. These are all mental constructs, up and down, left and right, this caused me a bit of nausea. However, I felt nausea was a mental construct too, which then disappeared when I realized it. Once that happened, strangely I was again feeling orientation in my body just that I was aware of the space inside my body, not full 3d scan but an inch inside all my body and my legs were very relaxed. Now the insights, I realized the fact that I was grabbing things, better said, that all I thought as real or anchors of my reality were only so because I was grabbing them tight. For example, the fear in the beginning, or even my own mind, my mind existed only because I was grabbing it tight. Then, I became aware of the "I" in me which was strongly caught, like a knot plus pressure. I couldn't stop grabbing it, yet I became aware that if I stopped grabbing it, "I" would disappear, which from my state of consciousness now is understandable, but in that state of consciousness it hits you real hard. Put yourself in a higher state of consciousness, be intense with me now, the mind that is reading this words exists because you are holding it, mind has no life of its own. The "I" you are experiencing now is being grabbed so strongly and tight by nothingness. At that moment, I could not get a no-self experience at all because of the immense conglomerate and solidity of this "I", but I understood that it is my own making and that it has not me, but I have it. The message of the trip is letting go of everything. Come with me as you read, don't merely read, go behind my words, to what I'm pointing: This reality is what you think it is because you have so-called anchors. Whatever you believe this reality to be, consciousness, your own Self, love, memories you bring to the present, past experiences, mental constructs, feelings, body sensations... All that, you are grabbing. I thought that by grabbing to my past enlightenment experiences I was being more awake, yet it is clear for me now that it's not the case. I want to grab enlightenment, that is the problem. It is the grabbing, therefore let go. It is the grabbing of enlightenment the obstacle to enlightenment, therefore let go. It is the grabbing of yourself, of "I", therefore let go. I felt like an endless flower opening and opening, letting go and letting go. And the diamond sutra was pointing at the same all the time, let go of everything and then let go of nothingness. It was all the time the same, probably the essence of Buddhist teachings, to let go of everything even of letting go, being utterly free. Even the senses in some way you are holding, it is crazy in a normal state of consciousness to say that or to do it, but despite that, it was my experience, everything is being grabbed to give a sense of reality of existence, like nothingness solidifying into somethingness and being able to be aware of that process and letting go of all that, even of nothingness and nirvana, letting go of everything even of the "I", even of enlightenment, even of God; and then there is true God beyond your making, you do not need to make truth or hold God, it is always already the case, just be empty-handed, empty of emptiness, what is there that cannot be taken out or irreducible essence. That freedom of all that you thought real, to find what it needed no effort or absence of effort, the ever present groundless ground, you do not fall and get hurt, there is no end, the falling is eternal. The trip felt very short but the intuitions and insights were valid for me, specially the Buddhist ones. I had never explored this area of consciousness. I do not know much about Buddhism, a bit of zen but really not much. However, they are very legit experiences, I mean they are not that dry as one could think. They are really profound, getting deleted into nothingness and then deleting that nothingness, wow. I now agree with Leo when he said that you could go down to cessation or up to infinity. It felt a bit strange for me as it sounds too linear, the end points should touch as a circle, literally has been the case always in my previous explorations, maybe if I go deep enough it eventually does but Leo doesn't agree in this point. It is true that Buddhist that go all the way down don't seem to realize infinity or God, which is a strong point, yet there is something in me that keeps telling me that it must be circular and endpoints should merge. Anyway, I will definitely explore more this letting go or surrendering. This ketamine experience opened myself up to the fact that I can let "everything and nothing" go, when you do so, something beyond words is there. If you read it all thank you very much, hope you got new insights. Also be careful, one thing is to read, another to experience, states of consciousness are everything, you want to get to that state where it really hits you.
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				Adamq8 replied to axiom's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Yes , Infinity , God , is really good words because thats what it truly is, in its essence, it is so ineffable so it is impossible to speak about it, but truly, enlightenment or serious awakening really makes everything completely meaningless, but not necessarily in a bad way, it is like coming home but simultanously it is pure madness, thoughts, concepts etc, is a way to veil the truth because it is frightening, and then the realization becomes, "life" is absolutely perfect as it is. Nothingness can not overcome it either so to speak, it is too free to be limited to it. Because it contains all that there is, even the not is as well in a paradoxically way. Like outside is looking in and outside does not even exist ? Funny, cosmic joke. - 
	
	
				King Merk replied to lizz_luna's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Yup, that’s survival in action. I think it just takes time. As Leo said it’s just getting the reps in. Whenever you desire truth more than you desire to live then you’ll be willing to yield into nothingness. Keep it up!? - 
	When I was younger I used to get in deep logical debates and argue and provide proof etc. to prove my position or frame of thinking/perspective/opinion as superior. Maybe I'm surrounded by a lot of younger people because its like I'm talking to my younger self on this forums. So many people on this forum when they reply to you they write a book....a literal book. You really do not need to write a book as a reply. For your normal posts when you are sharing something write as much as you want. But you do not need to write a book to reply to someone. Do you know how much time someone has to spend trying to interpret what you are saying and the significance and interconnectedness of each point? The purpose of writing is to be understood. You don't want it to be an ordeal for the person you are communicating with to understand you. Of course YOU know the meaning of what you are typing its in your head, but you need to be short and simple and offer to go in depth if the person needs clarification. I have had this issue in the past where I used to believe I had to explain every last detail and learned over time people don't need that or most times even want that. I still do this when I talk but thankfully I have cleaned it up my writing. So let's recap, if you want to post a long post to share something go for it. But when you converse with people on the forums and engage in discussion keep your replies short and simple and offer to go in depth if they are open to it. Now this isn't me trying to control anyone you can do as you please, its just friendly advice. I've outgrown debates, I already burned through that karma I'll say a couple of responses then I'm bailing I'm not sticking around to write walls of texts and pontificate on the many perspectival meanings of nothingness. Once you realize everything is you, and everything is nothing....why spend hours in debate? Speak your perspective, give a couple responses and keep it moving I say but to each his own. We are all going to disagree with each other for various reasons, and trigger each other at times (which is a good thing actually as it is a chance to see where some hidden resistance is) so buckle up as this forum is not for the faint of heart. All I ask is consider the receiver of your communication when you choose to respond.... if they want you to write a book...they'll order one lol.
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trenton replied to Nathan's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I would describe something similar. It is like you realize all of existence is nothingness and this nothingness expands and expands as you merge with all of it. You become indistinguishable from all of reality when you are nothing. Some describe it as the abyss. I remember how I kinda freaked out when that happened and I stopped meditating for a bit. I triggered it with the help of the power of now by Eckhart Tolle. When the ego mind does not contextualize itself with past and future you are left with the present. Transcending time is the same as transcending ego and it could create these sorts of experiences. I would like to see advice on how to not freak out when that happens to do that I can just enjoy what I'm not used to. Maybe I would meditate more. At the very least you can try different forms of meditation like satisfaction or body scans. At least I found they were less intense. - 
	But what drives "gravity" to pull things down? Or what drives gravity to be the way it is? Unity by its own concept (regardless if you awakend to it or not) must include everything within itself—not even nothing can be outside it. One cannot have the whole or unity on one side, and the parts, forms, or differences on another. You see? To grasp a concept which contains everything in its full difference and contradiction in respect to itself, yet is not an empty abstraction like pure being or empty nothingness is not an easy task. So unity is only unity by virtue of the parts and differences which make it up, and these differences only are differences insofar they find themselves in a united whole and their respective place to each other within the context of the whole. This separation and these Differences, when looked at from a higher consciousness, they'll seem tautological. So they're differences that really aren't differences lol
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				RMQualtrough replied to Atb210201's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
What deep sleep nothingness? Has never happened lolz. - 
	
	
				Someone here replied to Atb210201's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
They are not any less or more real than any other state of consciousness. There Is no degrees to the "realness " of consciousness. But there are degrees to the intensity of consciousness. And its easily verifiable when you drink caffeine or smoke a joint that you enter a higher state of consciousness. Same with mystical experiences. They are not more real than your ordinary state of consciousness . But they are higher In intensity. Yea .reality is what you are experiencing right NOW. Not sure how does that mean there is no reality? Death is a belief. There Is no actuality whatsoever to death other than a thought you are imagining right now (since we agree that reality is only what we are experiencing right now ). You don't have to die or fall asleep to experience "nothingness ". Nothingness is everything you are experiencing right now. This is all nothing. Science has proven that 99% of physical matter is empty space. - 
	
	
				Atb210201 replied to Atb210201's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I feel like something is missing here and all there is is not consciousness but consciousness is what nothingness appears as when it takes a form and consciousness is secondary to nothingness - 
	
	
				Atb210201 replied to Atb210201's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Someone here okay great so this is what I want to get at If mystical experiences are also just some states that consciousness can take then who's to say they are the real reality behind everything and also even if they feel more real than the reality we are in it's just a heightened sense of reality isn't it? I mean I'm just saying more real is still not a conformation for them to be the real actuality of everything what if there is no reality to anything and reality quote on quote is just a term to describe what you are feeling and sensing at the moment then if all of these are the case then who can say it is the same thing that happens when we die? (I mean a mystical experience) And more on that if that is really what happens when we die (I mean we experience a mystical experience) then maybe we just experience it for some time then we fade away into nothingness same as the dreamless deep sleep state which has no form at all whatsoever - 
	Soo if a person owns land or part of a floating rock out in nothingness then they can claim ownership? Lease or rent out this land to another person for invisible numbers called money which you own? If a person owns all of this floating rock (earth) or land then how can another person claim ownership? Can you own the ocean? Can you lease out the ocean? Or own air & oxygen? Owning outer space.. Owning stars & planets? Owning the weather? Owning a metaverse? Owning nature? Can you build your own internet or your own youtube platform or your own database hub thing? If you build an island can you own it? Can you turn said island into a country? Owning an invisible idea such as a country? Creating your "own" country. Your "own" military? Say you wanna start your own country and own the entire place. How would that work? Do you own humans if they live on your country? Lease the human out to another? How do people come up with this? Considering slavery wasn't abolished but.. 157 years ago? Or ~6 generations. What about with making and creating a currency and claiming it as "your own" money. Such as claiming paper money or invisible numbers or crypto? Making up your own numbers? Lending money for money? Creating your own rules? Such as creating the idea of inflation or using influence to alter value metrics? So a group of people (pilgrims) came to America and simply claimed ownership? So a group of people (migrants) travel out west and gain free ownership of land? Does ownership depend on.. military power? Hard power? A belief? A narrative? Who determines ownership? ______________ Mine vs yours vs ours. Toothbrush A. Private ownership (Mine or Yours &/or ours) B. Public ownership (Ours) C. Collective ownership (Mine & yours or Ours) D. All of above E. Depends on use Toothbrush 1. Cleaning teeth = collective ownership? Nah 2. Cleaning dogs teeth = private ownership 3. Cleaning toilet = public ownership 4. Cleaning floor = Depends on use __________ Ownership appears to be connected with responsibility too. A person whos an owner tends to be at the position of cause. Taking full action of creation. Putting that person in a position of power? So ownership is connected with the perception of power dynamics in this reality. Seems a little bizarre how this is. So our words create images and concepts that shape the fabric of reality. So our beliefs and words are what create ownership. Without speaking words and creating beliefs its hard to declare ownership or MINErship. Owning a business or "My business". Owning the workers for the business. Owning the products. Its amazing how social constructs such as shareholders makes ownership even more abstract. Investors and estate ownership. Owning majority of a companies collective shares? Owning a supply chain? Owning a market? Owning a niche? Owning commerce? Owning money. Invisible numbers on a paper that is lent out by banks by fractional reserves. Who comes up with this crap. Owning a job? This is my job!! Stop doing my job. Americans identify mainly with their jobs? This job says me. I'm the doctor. No, you're a human that helps other humans.. I'm the therapist. No. You just listen to people and give advice. I'm the lawyer. No, you're a person that sits around talking about rules. No sugar coating identity. Call it what it is. Essentially giving people jobs in trade for time in trade for money.. In trade for ownership of stuff. Owning a house.. owning a box to put stuff in. "I own this property. You can't tell me what to do in my house." Owning a mansion. Owning a movable house. Owning a car and using it as a dwelling. Owning a tent vs owning. Feesimple ownership vs leasehold ownership.. Owning a wife... "This is my wife! She's not your wife because she's my wife." I claimed her as my wife because I got on one knee." Are you single? "No, I have a boyfriend". So you own your boyfriend? To have like property? So the boyfriend is property? Owning 100 cats...... ? + ? = ????^5 Owning children... Having 10 kids? 100 kids? 1000 kids? Is there a limit? Literally, grandparents can have like +70 decendents. If they have 10 kids. Those 10 kids have 5 kids each. Say a person moves to a different country and gets someone pregnant at a club then moves to a different country. How exactly does child ownership work? If the parent doesn't want to be the "owner" (parent) because they didn't want a child. Owning.. Intellectual property.. copy right information. Trademarks. Branding information.. Word marks. Graphic design stuff.. Owning logos.. Google logo. The cross. The peace sign ✌ Owning data? Your information and choices. Financial data.. Interests.. Do you own your phone? Do cellular companies own you? Owning the frequencies? Owning Bluetooth? Owning radiation? Owning resources? Food, water, and shelter. Owning sunlight & electricity? Owning energy? Owning or domestication of animals.. or pets.. Owning a pet store (animal store). Owning Livestock.. Owning the things that derive from animals. Eggs, milk, feathers, meat, and their own offspring. Owning a grocery store? What does the grocery store do with all the food it doesn't sell? Giving ownership of food away? Owning a robot? Owning artifical intelligence? What does that even mean to own an army of robots? Owning automated systems? Owning time? My time zone is.. "Don't waste my time." How much is your time worth? Owning your own mind? My mind is typing this? Am I typing or is my mind typing this unconsciously? Owning your own thoughts. These are Mythoughts™ or does this website claim my information as its information? Get your own thoughts! Stop stealing my thoughts. Actually, these thoughts are worth $2,000,000.99 I'm going to create a course and charge people for "thoughts". I have to let people know these valuable thoughts were my thoughts so "I" gets proper admiration & recognition. Joking. Owning your own body? Donating a heart? Wait, thats my organs.. Owning your arm, your leg, your teeth, your hair. Donating your body to science? Wait, so you can give your body. Selling your hair? Selling blood. I mean, donating blood. Selling sperm? If I'm sleepwalking. Do I own my body? Where am I? Who owns the body when we die? Apparently people want the ashes of their dead parents or pet hamster. Owning a small amount of land to bury a person or a grave? Huh Owning your own soul? Not sure what this means or how this works in this reality. Under mind control? Being possessed by a spirit? Owning everything? I guess that's God? Owning nothing? (And you will be happy...?) I mean, we eventually die & literally can't bring anything with us. Who's to say anything even exists if its all a dream or an illusion or just floating particals. I mean, nearly everything we "own" fades away. Or do these words that are typed on this device on to this website exist forever? I mean, who's to say the internet will be around forever. I mean, 200 years ago all humans were dead (that I'm aware of). Even then thats based on this 3D reality if there is a different dimension of reality then does ownership work on different dimensions? Or is ownership only a thing of this 3D reality. https://youtu.be/QOTVpGfEdqQ
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	The Saint= Avoids all forms of immorality. Upholds the highest moralist virtues. Preaches eternal damnation and suffering for those who do not follow their example. Shadow= Cannot tolerate any forms of immorality done in their presence, the occults. Seeker of Truth= An investigator, a spiritual scientist, a metaphysical explorer, one who seeks the deepest understandings of the foundation of the universe/reality and all that entails. Shadow= The ordinary, the mundane, the non-spiritual, deception, lies, victim-blaming, lack of self-reflection, shallowness. The life of the party= The one who always knows how to raise the energy to rock star extrovert levels, can crack a joke, lead a discussion, and overall keep the energy going for the group all night long. Shadow= obscurity, alone, ignored, looked over/passed over, lack of importance or prestige, The scholar= Has studied the deepest philosophical and scientific truths, theorems, and is on the edge constantly of every major scientific endeavor. Shadow= Mysticism, New Age Spirituality, Hippie culture, religion, counter culture, the occults. The coward= Extremely shy, pessimistic, fearful, already defeated before the battle/struggle. Shadow= The Brave and the Bold, The optimist, the faith believer, the wing it guy, the it will all work out with no explanation guy. The moralist/serious one= Believes there is a right or wrong way to do things. Believes in logic, order, and is almost mechanical in the way they view life. Shadow= jokes, playing around, disorganization, meaninglessness. The warrior= Love the next challenge, seeks to test their skills at every increasing levels, revels in their accomplishments and victories. Shadow= cowardice, loss of control, weakness, victims/victim mentality, emotional expressions of love or fear. The doubter= Thinks everything is fake, because ultimately they view themselves as fake. Struggles to find any truth or meaning in everything. The brother of nihilism. Shadow= Meaning, authenticity, truth, love, purpose, fun, joy. The nihilist= The world, everything is meaningless in a depressive spiral of nothingness towards an endless void of triviality and depravity. Shadow= Love, meaning, inspiration, Joy, Bliss, interconnectedness, Oneness. Add more if you can think of some.
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				VictorB02 replied to VeganAwake's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Haha. Of course you're the jackass named Froto, and every other jackass in existence. How could you not be? You're joking yet still somehow you think there is actually a difference between you and Froto the Jackass? Nope. Somehow you think that there is a difference between this "nothingness" you identify as and Froto the Jackass. Nope. It's You. Not someone or something else. You. Not "nothingness", not "isness". You. You, @VeganAwake are the Jackass. - 
	
	
				axiom replied to VeganAwake's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
God realisation and Advaita ultimately point to the same thing. Two sides of the same coin. There are just different levels of egoic attachments to words like nothingness, God, "you", etc. Nothingness can also be conceived as "you" (the big you, AKA God, AKA Reality, AKA infinity, AKA everything). The word "you" does imply other however, and that's ultimately why Advaita doesn't like it, i.e. if everything is "you" then the differentiation "you" is in fact meaningless. 99% of the stuff people argue about on this forum is semantics. Remember that Gaurisankar and Mount Everest are the same mountain seen from different valleys. Or so the saying goes... (turns out it's not true actually, but that's beside the point ) - 
	In French, "Bonjour" literally means "Good Day". How would you say that to people Because I wanted to say Hello to people in French, without necessarily wishing them a good day. What if the person's was a murderer ? What if their "Good Day" was spent abusing children, or manipulating people. Why would I wish them a good day ? Basically, I was so obsessed about honesty that it became hard for me to interact normally with people. For me, small talk wasn't a "small" problem at all. But a few years ago, I finally found a solution to it. I had to work on my personal dictionary. I had to split my definition of truth in two parts. Practical Truth and Metaphysical Truth. Practical Truths are the useful ones. The ones people use in their day to day life. The ones that are "true enough" to help you get tangible results in life. For example : My laptop is in front of me right now. This is true enough. Sure, if you gave me 30 minutes and a joint, I could find a hundred ways to make that statement philosophically debatable or scientifically inaccurate. But if you wanted to borrow my laptop, I probably wouldn't answer "I don't really know what a laptop is. Or if any of us really exist. Or what borrowing even means". I would probably say "Yeah, here it is". Which is not metaphysically accurate, but still practically accurate. Metaphysical Truths are the ones that survive any kind of questioning. They are absolutely and fundamentally true. Unfortunately, during my own pursuit of truth, I reached a point where nothing is certain enough to be classified as a Metaphysical Truth. So I can't give examples. Even statements like "Something exists" doesn't seem solid enough for me. But some religious folks might include "God exists". Some spiritual folks might include "The real self is nothingness". Some scientific folks might include "Evolution is real". No problem with that... I want to hear your thoughts on the subject ! What do you classify as Metaphysical Truth ? Do you split Practical Truths in subcategories, depending on their level of consciousness, or the level of personal development needed to access them ? Do you see totally different levels than the two I proposed ? Do you think about those things as much as I do ? And finally, I wish you a good day everyone !
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				Consilience replied to Julian gabriel's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Yes. Look into Rob Burbea’s teachings on the energy body. That’s going to be the easiest, most practical way to break through the persistent sensory contraction state of body sensations. You can train this skill until the sensations of the body can expand out into infinity, or contract back into nothingness, until this pendulum of expansion and contraction is one movement, the same movement, on a single scale. 
