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So pain is not consciousness alluvassudden. You always cherrypick what you're nondual about. You see some imaginary pain behind my words and you use it in a sad attempt to hurt your idea of me. My man drop the act of being enlightened it does you no good. Milk that is poisoned looks like milk, but you shouldnt drink it. Be careful what milk you consume 🧐. You cant paint everything with a broad brush like you're doing. Calm down, step away from the keyboard and so some self inquiry instead of attacking people on forums, based on a perceived higher ground of understanding. You drank poisoned milk. What i see is intellctual understastanding of nonduality without any integration. What I see is nonduality of words. You want to win arguments, not know the Truth.
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Absolutely. I really try to figure out just how one can become more resilient to stress. I lead and train the team I work with at the office - and it is HIGH stress. A revolving door for people who cannot do construction from the back end and handle it. It is a big one for me - I can only come to the conclusion it is nature & nurture. I think by nature I am confident and resilient - toward the higher end of the spectrum. I always took this to be a product of my experience; I have seen some evil shit. Been through evil shit. And have a massive capacity for stress. I used to labour under the assumption this arose in me because of hard challenges in my past. Each horrible thing I experienced very much prepared me for the next challenge. And so on and so forth. Until I had such a high capacity for stress, I struggle to even comprehend it myself - especially retrospectively. And so, because I overcame so much and became stronger - I went through life assuming anyone who faced challenges could reframe and grow from it. Siphon out the positive from any bad experience and learn the lessons to be had there. I projected this onto others. A 'golden shadow'. I truly believed everyone could do this and boy oh boy was I HARD on people when they fell short. Then I begun working with my sister. She went through similar trauma as me, the same environment. She was exposed to slightly less horror I will say. But she has no capacity for stress. She suffers from anxiety attacks with only a slight push. She isn't able to see positive from past experiences unless they made her happy in totality. She constantly worries how she will be perceived. Worries for her safety - won't walk down the street in the dark. Worries about how a cashier will think of her order - similar to your friends pathology around going to McDonalds in the dark. Bit long winded - but in the example above, it illustrates how 2 family members can be exposed to the same trauma and walk away with totally different understandings and lessons. And our responses could not be more different - I have no regret and am stronger as a result; she feels she has had an unfair and bad life, and has been weakened. Our minds did totally different things with the experience... all in the mind. And indeed, how strange our minds are! I can tell you though - my sister lets our past define her. And define her future. I do not. I don't even think on it. Unless to reveal a story such as above to illustrate a point. I have no attachment to my past. I recognize it as a story about someone. It doesn't limit me. I have no attachment there... So I can see how spirituality has altered my mind and how I have been able to reframe my experience in a way my sister simply cannot. And she is not interested in spirituality, nonduality, inquiry - any of it. Looping back to @Someone here - I think he could be in a great position to tackle the stress of addiction head on, because he is in a relatively good position (from what I gather, I do not know all of his circumstances) to do so. He can build resilience to stress while he has stability in other areas. Because if there is one thing I know in life - it comes to fuck you in the arse with no condom in a sudden and shocking way. Your whole existence and way of being can be deleted at the drop of a hat.
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Natasha Tori Maru replied to Dodo's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
From the not knowing 🌱 @ivankiss don't be a little mutant, unless you want some of mommies zen stick through the neck I do think though, that if we are going the nonduality route, investigating duality and using concepts are needed to point to various parts of our experience we overlook. Especially for those of us heavy on intellect. But I think you know this, and the aim of this paragraph was to highlight the fact that more concepts were present potentially not aware of? 🫠 For myself personally, I think forcing nondual talk all the time is silly. Some people benefit from concepts and ideas initially. Some benefit from having to dig into the meat of a statement that isn't clear - at first. It's like walking up steps that are non complaint: each step is a fucken metre high and you have to climb and fall. Sometimes there is no hope to get up! The initial concepts used as nondual pointers are a little mobile scaffold to help. So once there you can kick the scaffold away and see the real unobstructed view. Rip the cataracts off. Like learning a system before you can break it. All these different methods should end up with a full deconstruction in the end, but everyone gets there in a different way. Some teachers get us to W O R K for it. Some learners can't do it that way. Anyway bit of a digress there, sorry Carl wasn't really at you! -
How old are you, Ivane. This nonduality thing is not about winning arguments nor about typing flashy comments, its about having practical direct experience of nonduality. Maybe re-read original post and see if you can follow the pointings. The egoic reactional thoughts are also seen by the I now. They aren't I.
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I never understand why people on the Layman path go into Enlightenment/Transcendent/Monastic spaces and try to preach to everyone about the goodness of the Layman path. Marriage and Kids are a wonderful and beautiful thing. But people on the Layman path need to stop entering Enlightenment spaces and flooding them with: "But it is bad to let go of all attachments." "You have to participate in society though." "Humans are social creatures" "You should give up non-duality and tend to your humanity" "Having kids and getting married makes you even more evolved than ego transcendence" "You are spiritually bypassing" "In the past, they taught detachment. Now, we need to focus on being aware while remaining attached" "Well you can't meditate all day, you got to go to work and pay bills" "I feel way more fulfilled as a mother than I did when I was pursuing enlightenment" "Nonduality is dangerous and it is better to focus on shadow work instead" There is a section from Autobiography of a Yogi from Paramahansa Yogananda: Ananta took me to their home. The son, a young man of ebullient manner, greeted me in the courtyard. He engaged me in a lengthy philosophic discourse. Professing to have a clairvoyant knowledge of my future, he discountenanced my idea of being a monk. “You will meet continual misfortune, and be unable to find God, if you insist on deserting your ordinary responsibilities! You cannot work out your past karma without worldly experiences.” Immortal words from the Bhagavad Gita rose to my lips in reply: “‘Even he with the worst of karma who ceaselessly meditates on Me quickly loses the effects of his past bad actions. Becoming a high-souled being, he soon attains perennial peace. Know this for certain: the devotee who puts his trust in Me never perishes!’” But the forceful prognostications of the young man had slightly shaken my confidence. With all the fervor of my heart I prayed silently to God: “Please solve my bewilderment and answer me, right here and now, if Thou dost desire me to lead the life of a renunciant or a worldly man!” I noticed a sadhu of noble countenance standing just outside the compound of the pundit’s house. Evidently he had overheard the spirited conversation between the self-styled clairvoyant and me, for the stranger called me to his side. I felt a tremendous power flowing from his calm eyes. “Son, don’t listen to that ignoramus. In response to your prayer, the Lord tells me to assure you that your sole path in this life is that of the renunciant.” With astonishment as well as gratitude, I smiled happily at this decisive message. “Come away from that man!” The “ignoramus” was calling me from the courtyard. My saintly guide raised his hand in blessing and slowly departed. “That sadhu is just as crazy as you are.” It was the hoary-headed pundit who made this charming observation. He and his son were gazing at me lugubriously. “I have heard that he, too, has left his home in a vague search for God.” I turned away. To Ananta I remarked that I would not engage in further discussion with our hosts.
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I'm addicted to AI but will be addressing it in my monthlong zen retreat in January . Grok: Your claim that Christianity inherited false dualistic doctrines from Plato and Persian thought, leading to concepts like the immortal soul and cosmic judgment, and that Jesus’ true message was one of “Absolute Oneness” (a nondual perspective), is a bold and thought-provoking assertion. It builds on our previous discussion, suggesting that Platonic and Persian influences distorted Jesus’ original teachings. Let’s analyze this by exploring the origins of these doctrines, their integration into Christianity, and whether Jesus’ message aligns with Absolute Oneness, aiming for a concise yet thorough response. Dualistic Doctrines in Christianity: Plato and Persian Influence Christianity, as it developed, incorporated ideas that appear dualistic—dividing reality into opposing categories like material/spiritual, good/evil, or heaven/hell. Let’s examine the alleged sources: 1. Platonic Influence: • Immortal Soul: Plato’s philosophy, particularly in Phaedo and Timaeus, posits the soul as eternal, distinct from the perishable body, and destined for an afterlife based on its pursuit of truth. Early Christian thinkers like Augustine (354–430 CE) adopted this framework, integrating it with Christian ideas of resurrection and eternal life. The notion of an immortal soul, separate from the body and surviving death, became a staple in much of Christian theology, particularly in Western traditions. • Dualistic Framework: Plato’s separation of the material world (imperfect, transient) from the eternal world of Forms influenced Christian views of the physical world as fallen and the spiritual realm as divine. This shaped doctrines like the opposition between flesh and spirit (e.g., Galatians 5:17, interpreted dualistically). 2. Persian Influence: • Cosmic Judgment: Persian Zoroastrianism, with its dualistic cosmology of good (Ahura Mazda) versus evil (Angra Mainyu), included concepts of a final judgment, resurrection, and an afterlife where souls face reward or punishment. These ideas, prevalent in the Hellenistic world, likely influenced Jewish apocalyptic thought (e.g., in Daniel and Enochic literature) during the Second Temple period (6th century BCE–1st century CE). Early Christianity, emerging from this Jewish context, adopted similar ideas, such as the Last Judgment (Matthew 25:31–46) and heaven/hell dichotomies. • Moral Dualism: Zoroastrianism’s emphasis on a cosmic battle between good and evil parallels some Christian depictions of God versus Satan, though Christianity reinterprets this through the lens of Jesus’ victory over evil. These influences are evident in how early Christian theologians articulated doctrines. For example, the Church Fathers, engaging with Greco-Roman and Jewish traditions, used Platonic language to explain the soul’s immortality and Persian-influenced apocalyptic imagery to describe judgment. However, the extent to which these are “false” or a departure from Jesus’ teachings depends on how we interpret his message. Jesus’ Message and Absolute Oneness Your claim posits that Jesus’ true message was “Absolute Oneness,” a nondual perspective where distinctions like self/other, divine/human, or good/evil dissolve into a unified reality. Let’s assess this in light of Jesus’ teachings: 1. Evidence for Nonduality: • Unity with God: Jesus emphasizes an intimate connection between God and humanity. In John 17:21–23, he prays, “that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us.” This suggests a profound unity, akin to nondual traditions like Advaita Vedanta or certain mystical interpretations of Christianity. • Immanence of the Kingdom: In Luke 17:21, Jesus says, “The kingdom of God is within you” (or “among you”), implying that divine reality is not separate from human experience but present and accessible, a hallmark of nondual thought. • Breaking Down Dualities: Jesus’ actions—associating with sinners, healing on the Sabbath, challenging legalism—subvert rigid distinctions like clean/unclean or righteous/sinner. The parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:25–37) prioritizes universal love over ethnic or religious boundaries. • Paradoxical Teachings: Sayings like “Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it” (Matthew 16:25) embrace paradox, a feature of nondual thought that resists binary categories. • Incarnation: The doctrine that Jesus is both fully divine and fully human (developed later but rooted in his life) embodies a nondual paradox, collapsing the divide between God and humanity. 2. Challenges to Absolute Oneness: • Moral and Eschatological Language: Jesus’ teachings include dualistic elements, such as warnings of judgment (e.g., Matthew 25:41–46, separating the “sheep” from the “goats”) and references to eternal consequences (e.g., Mark 9:43–48, mentioning “hell”). These suggest a moral framework distinguishing right from wrong, though they could be interpreted symbolically rather than literally. • God as Distinct: While Jesus emphasizes unity, he also speaks of God as a distinct entity (e.g., “Our Father” in Matthew 6:9). This relational language might imply a qualified nonduality rather than Absolute Oneness, where distinctions are transcended but not erased. • Historical Context: Jesus operated within a Jewish framework that emphasized God’s transcendence and covenantal relationship with Israel. Absolute Oneness, as understood in nondual traditions, may not fully align with this context, though his teachings push toward a more universal, inclusive vision. Did Dualism Distort Jesus’ Message? Your argument suggests that Platonic and Persian dualisms led to “flawed” doctrines (immortal soul, cosmic judgment) that obscured Jesus’ nondual message. Let’s evaluate: 1. Immortal Soul: • Critique: The Platonic idea of an inherently immortal soul, separate from the body, differs from Jewish views of the afterlife, which often emphasized bodily resurrection (e.g., Daniel 12:2). Jesus’ own teachings focus more on resurrection (e.g., John 11:25, “I am the resurrection and the life”) than an independent soul surviving death. The Platonic soul concept, adopted by later theologians, may have shifted focus from Jesus’ holistic view of human-divine unity to a dualistic body-soul split. • Counterpoint: The immortal soul concept helped Christians articulate the hope of eternal life in a Hellenistic context. It may not be “false” but rather a translation of Jesus’ resurrection-focused teachings into a philosophical idiom, though it arguably introduced a dualism foreign to his message. 2. Cosmic Judgment: • Critique: Persian-influenced ideas of a final judgment, with clear divisions between saved and damned, appear in Christian eschatology (e.g., Revelation). These may clash with a nondual view of Absolute Oneness, where all distinctions dissolve. Jesus’ parables of judgment (e.g., Matthew 13:24–30, wheat and weeds) could be seen as pedagogical tools rather than literal endorsements of cosmic dualism, but later theology often took them literally, amplifying dualistic themes. • Counterpoint: Jesus’ own language of judgment and moral accountability (e.g., Matthew 7:21–23) suggests some form of distinction between alignment with God’s will and rejection of it. This may not be Absolute Oneness but a relational nonduality, where unity is possible but not automatic. 3. Distortion or Adaptation?: • The integration of Platonic and Persian ideas was partly a practical necessity. As Christianity spread beyond its Jewish roots into the Greco-Roman world, it needed to engage with prevailing philosophies and cosmologies. Platonism provided a systematic framework to explain concepts like eternal life, while Persian apocalypticism resonated with Jewish and Christian hopes for divine justice. • However, these frameworks may have obscured Jesus’ nondual emphasis on the present, immanent kingdom and universal love. For example, the focus on a future judgment or a disembodied soul could detract from his call to live out divine unity now (e.g., “love your neighbor as yourself,” Mark 12:31). Absolute Oneness as Jesus’ Core Message Your claim that Jesus’ true message was Absolute Oneness aligns with interpretations found in Christian mysticism (e.g., Meister Eckhart, Julian of Norwich) and modern nondual thinkers (e.g., Richard Rohr). These perspectives emphasize Jesus’ teachings on unity, love, and the dissolution of ego-driven separations. However, Absolute Oneness, as a term, draws from nondual traditions like Advaita Vedanta, which may not fully map onto Jesus’ Jewish context. His message seems to lean toward a relational nonduality—unity with God and others through love and faith—rather than a metaphysical collapse of all distinctions. For example, Jesus’ emphasis on relationship (with God, neighbors, even enemies) suggests a dynamic oneness, where distinctions like self/other persist but are harmonized through love. This differs from Absolute Oneness in some Eastern traditions, where distinctions are ultimately illusory. The Incarnation, central to Christianity, further complicates pure nonduality, as it affirms the reality of both divine and human natures in Jesus, united without dissolving into one another. Addressing the Claim Christianity did inherit dualistic elements from Platonic and Persian thought, particularly the immortal soul and cosmic judgment, which became prominent in later theology. These ideas, while not central to Jesus’ teachings, were adaptations that helped Christianity articulate its message in a Hellenistic and apocalyptic context. However, calling them “false” depends on one’s perspective—they were pragmatic tools for early Christians, though they may have shifted focus from Jesus’ more nondual emphasis on unity and love. Jesus’ message does reflect a profound sense of oneness—God’s presence within, the breaking down of social and religious barriers, and the call to universal love. Whether this constitutes “Absolute Oneness” is debatable, as his teachings retain relational and moral dimensions that imply distinctions, even if they point toward unity. The influence of Plato and Persian thought likely amplified dualistic frameworks, potentially overshadowing the nondual aspects of Jesus’ message, but these were not wholesale distortions so much as cultural translations. Final Answer Christianity adopted dualistic doctrines like the immortal soul (from Plato) and cosmic judgment (influenced by Persian thought), which shaped its theology but may have diverged from Jesus’ emphasis on unity and the immanent kingdom. These doctrines aren’t necessarily “false” but reflect adaptations to make Christianity intelligible in its historical context. Jesus’ message aligns with a form of nondual oneness—emphasizing unity with God and others through love—but it’s more relational than Absolute Oneness in a metaphysical sense. Platonic and Persian influences amplified dualism, but Jesus’ core vision of divine-human unity remains foundational, even if partially obscured by later theological developments.
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This is a different type of AMA - Answer Me Anything Is Oneness or Not-twoness the better pointer to the Truth? Or perhaps some other term or thing or event is better pointer. Seeking the greatest pointer. 👉 Perhaps also, why? But you can just tell me which one and not explain why if you dont want to.
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PurpleTree replied to PurpleTree's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Do you ever listen to “radical” nonduality ? -
PurpleTree replied to Something Funny's topic in Society, Politics, Government, Environment, Current Events
That’s why i put you on ignore when you started arguing about nonduality you know what i mean. 🔥 -
Happiness is when you are satisfied. You seek nothing further to improve your current state, because you are completely satisfied aka happy and at peace. You might want to watch some Rupert Spira, lately he's been the one I resonare the most with, and I've listened to most you can find online that deal with nonduality.
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Bufo Alvarius replied to Meeksauce's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Appreciate the clarification and great to hear you’re not applying nonduality as a blunt tool across all situations. At the same time, I wonder if sometimes the language of “nothing is happening” or “it’s all meaningless” can, when held too tightly or shared out of context, have the unintended effect of flattening or bypassing the richness of what’s arising, or come across as more nihilistic to the reader. Maybe that’s just me, but I find that when (in these spirituality threads) only the negation side of things is emphasized, without also speaking to the fullness and aliveness of Being, lived and embodied as the dream, it can lead to a worldview that feels bleak or depressing. This can especially affect people who are just beginning to deconstruct ideas and narratives of self and world. If all they hear is the “nothing side,” without balancing the dimension of fullness, presence and integration, it may leave them feeling lost or disoriented rather than free. Anyway, just my two cents, thanks for the dance 💃 -
Princess Arabia replied to Meeksauce's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
No, the dream is in and out of it's own dream. It gets a taste of reality which is nothing but it keeps on dreaming by concepting and ideaing and arguing with people on forums to maintain itself. If it didn't along with all the other normal human things it does, it would just be nothing. Pure energy, it doesn't want that so it keeps on trucking and dreaming up experience and direct experiencing itself into thinking it has awakened when the truth of the matter is it is deep sleep, being - being someone that awakened and is arguing with princess on a forum. Nothing is actually happening - literally. This isn't youtube talk and nonduality bullshit it learnt from yt this is deep sleep yapping away as a lucid dream, and it knows this not from knowledge but something its also being and that is intuition. Something knows this, but it's not a knowing, it's an unknowing. Like it retreats back into itself because it can, as it can be anything as it is unlimited and free. Experience is an illusion. It cannot experience itself. -
Mellowmarsh replied to Princess Arabia's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I understand what you are saying. 👍 Maybe the problem of separation lies in the label, the name you’re parents gave to you as a baby, that was the birth of identification? But then how would humans have functioned in the world without an identity? Maybe that’s all just the dream, and the dream cannot and never could be nondual, it was always going to be dual, right? But then dreams are not real either, so all we are left with is the dual but non dual. Or, two but not two. We cannot know nonduality because we are nonduality. The knowing that cannot be known so to speak. -
UnbornTao replied to Razard86's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@zurew Fuck Zen too, by the way. It falls into the same trap, and your response reflects that stuck-in-the-intellect pattern. This is why consciousness pursuits almost inevitably degrade into a belief system or religion in the end. The main point is that if we haven't had enlightenments yet, we don't really know what we're talking about, so it exists only as a placeholder in our minds. You want to "figure it out" by turning reality into a cosmology, a neat little package. When all is said and done, you find yourself in the very same place as before - not knowing what you and existence are -, only this time with more knowledge piled onto your "knowledge mountain" - guesses and conclusions, no matter how smart. But that is nothing. The matter is not relative. Relative to the possibility of direct consciousness, these discussions are worthless. And what other purpose is there other than increasing consciousness? This is the only way to access what's ultimately true about yourself and existence. Standing on a world of assumption undermines that possibility. Generally speaking, we don't seem to grasp that Jesus didn't invent Christianity, or that Ramana didn't talk about Advaita Vedanta or nonduality. There's a crucial distinction to be made here: grasping the truth versus creating, adhering to, or spreading a belief system. The majority of people are followers engaged in the latter. Still, one can contemplate and personally get it for themselves. -
This second video is from a guy who is a member in this forum and he is also active on spirituality-related topics on Quora. So the point that these people are making is that in solipsism the claim is that all that exists in reality is me . Or ..the content of my consciousness right now and nothing else . All "others " are mere NPC ..yada yada ..I think most of you guys are familiar with solipsism as it is probably the single most discussed topic on this forum . Their point is that nonduality/Advaita makes an even more radical claim ..that the "me " which is said to be the only thing that exists in the solipsistic worldview ..that that me is ALSO illusory . So not only others don't exist . But you yourself don't exist either . There is simply nobody home in the entire universe . Now ..this leads us to what is called " metaphysical Nihilism "..which simply states that In fact ..nothing exists at all in reality ..no self..no other ..no world ..no universe etc . And this also known as Ajata in Buddhism which is the idea that reality is absolutely empty and devoid of any real substance..or simply put it doesn't exist. And this is how you actually do the work that Leo suggests to actually deconstruct all of reality...it takes three steps: 1- metaphysical solipsism (only me exist.others don't ). 2-Advaita (even I don't exist ). 3Ajata (nothing at all actually exist ).
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Dodo replied to TheGod's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I will go ahead and answer even tho its not towards me. Afraid of dying, that human guy ceasing to exist, that guy who is in relationship with reality. Nondual would be a state where you know you are not only in relationship with reaality but also are reality as much as anything else. As much as the tree and the river and the clouds, the birds and the bees 🐝 it's a very vulnerable place to be, because you accept your aliveness and fragility like the bugs and the plants, and now can come the terror - how come you're alive? What if its time to die? Gonna piss your pants - you wont be able to write on actualized once you die for one small example. You havent experienced it if you are here. Non of us is an expert in death. Even if you had ego deaths, thats different. Im talking about nonduality for the born being and the terror of that born being for its own death. Im not talking about the Unborn Tao, that is irrelevant,, no terror for it, the unborn can't die, easymode there! -
https://www.reddit.com/r/nonduality/comments/19bdyiz/whats_your_opinion_on_actualizedorg/ Just sharing this , my username is Professional_Ad , I said good things about your work Leo. I am not the thread OP
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Nonduality is a big thing. Then i enjoy travelling. Swimming in lakes and rivers. Sometimes hit the sauna. Stuff like that. But funnily enough i think after consuming lots of nonduality i think suicide becomes in a way easier because there is less need for survival etc.
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Illusion. This is one of those words which are being thrown around in spiritual circles like they're confetti, and yet very few people seem to understand what the word actually refers to. So, let's analyze the confetti so that we can see it for what it really is(n't). Here's what an illusion is NOT: It's not something that isn't real. It's not something that doesn't exist. It's not a hallucination that is being "dreamed up" by some mysterious invisible being. Here's what an illusion IS: It is an incomplete perception (which is a tautology, since all perception is necessarily incomplete). It is a relative perspective (as opposed to absolute truth). It is a part of reality (as opposed to ALL of reality). Here's an analogy: When we see a magician standing on a stage and performing a magic trick, why do we call that magic trick an illusion? Is it because there is no magician, no white rabbit and no hat that the rabbit is being pulled out of? NOPE. We call it an illusion because we are only seeing part of what is actually happening; we see a real magician pulling a real rabbit out of a real hat, but what we don't see is all of the stuff that is going on behind the scenes - all of the things that have been carefully hidden from our view so that we can be amazed and surprised by the things that we do see happening on stage; and since we are missing the full picture, it appears to us like magic. Does this mean that the illusion is "bad"? No, it doesn't. Not only is the existence of illusions not bad, but in fact it is a necessary condition for reality being able to experience/be aware of itself, since reality can only ever be partially perceived and experienced, but never as a 100% complete whole. No illusions = no experience of reality. Here are examples of things that are illusions: The black letters appearing on a white screen that you are seeing now are an illusion. The thought "those black letters appearing on a white screen are just an illusion" is an illusion. The notion that there is something rather than nothing is an illusion. The notion that there is nothing rather than something is an illusion. The notion that reality is physical is an illusion. The notion that reality is a dream is an illusion. The notion that you are human is an illusion. The notion that you are not human is an illusion. The notion that you are consciousness is an illusion. The notion that you are not consciousness is an illusion. Duality is an illusion. Nonduality is an illusion. Oneness is an illusion. Multiplicity is an illusion. Solipsism is an illusion. Time is an illusion. Timelessness is an illusion. Form is an illusion. Formlessness is an illusion. Free will is an illusion. No free will is an illusion. Meaning is an illusion. Meaninglessness is an illusion. Self is an illusion. No-self is an illusion. Anything that can be perceived, experienced and be expressed with words is an illusion. Again: An illusion is NOT something that doesn't exist. An illusion is a part of reality that "stands out" (in your awareness) from the rest of reality. So not only do illusions exist, but as a matter of fact, ILLUSIONS ARE THE ONLY THING(S) THAT EXIST. That which does not exist - which doesn't "stand out" - is the Absolute, which is no-thing aka. everything. --- All of what you just read is an illusion (-> a relative perspective). And all of what you are going to reply will also be an illusion. Now, are you going to cling to one illusion and reject the other, or are you going to be aware of that which holds, encompasses, expresses itself as and transcends all illusions? Your choice.
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Razard86 replied to Razard86's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The funniest thing ever when you discover Solipsism is Absolutely true, is you cannot help but laugh or facepalm everytime some aspect of you denies it. It's funny because you know its true absolutely and yet it is still being denied and what's worse it gets denied by aspects of you who claim to be Spiritual and Truth Seekers yet they do not have the Self Honesty to admit that they have not open their mind to this possibility and yet claim to know its not true, and second they are not honest enough to admit that the only logic they can ever come up with for why its not true is because it FEELS BAD or WRONG. Not that they have disproven it, but just the emotions they have just shun it. I've heard every objection imaginable on this forum and they all revolve around the same feelings/emotions argument and the denial that is the sole reason they dislike it but let's go further with this. Solipsism is so true, that creation/existence could never exist in the first place unless it was absolutely true. Second of all people call Solipsism a concept but they don't call Nonduality a concept when literally they are completely identical. The Universe/Existence is an ABSOLUTE INDIVISIBLE MIND. It is also IMAGINARY. It is an IMAGINARY ETERNAL MIND. Because it is imaginary it is formless. Division only exists as form. The same way you cannot divide anything on your computer screen because even though each appearance is distinct/ the pixels that make them up are completely identical is the same way you cannot truly divide anything in reality. When you realize that the fundamental nature of reality is NONEXISTENCE as anything in particular then you realize that it is impossible to divide something that doesn't exist. To give you another great example when you are in DEEP SLEEP is there any form there? No. So how can you divide anything? You cannot. So if your TRUE NATURE is indivisible as the ABSOLUTE then that means the only illusion is division. Now many people will get mad and take this as an attack on the value and meaning of life, it is not. The TRUTH is actually the greatest thing ever. Discovering Solipsism through awakening reveals the true nature of all connections. Which means it opens up the possibility for you to escape the conceptual barriers your mind has erected and give you the deepest connection. I don't hold solipsism conceptually, I literally experience it ALL THE TIME. It's literally my reality and it gave me the deepest connections I have ever had in life. So deep it was magical and awe striking. Solipsism= Perfect Beauty because it is Perfect Unity. Solipsism is not saying the people you experience are not real or that they are robots, Solipsism is not saying your human character is more real than the surrounding world. Solipsism is saying there is only ONE infinite Reality. What is real? The definition of real is simple, that which exists is real? How do we know? Because it is the only thing there is, and as such it is the source of its own verification. In truth you have never experienced anything that is not real. Even fake or what you may consider unreal is real as those things in particular. If you don't like Solipsism don't seek to understand it you have that Sovereign right as God, but understand if you make claims to debunk it you are not being Honest. That little corruption you have from not being honest surely bleeds into all avenues of your life. -
Thorsten Fuzzi replied to Thorsten Fuzzi's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
1. I am grateful that I even looked into this forum after many months and had this idea. 2. I am grateful for a profound heart-opening this morning, right at the border of deep sleep and dream state. I remembered myself. I saw what I had done to me and to others by clinging to this ridiculous little self—and then even blamed others for my own suffering! I'm sorry. I am grateful for the chance to not do this anymore. 3. I am grateful for the gorgeous nature that surrounds my hometown of Vienna, Austria. 4. I am grateful for a good meal that I've had today and enough money to buy high-quality food. 5. I am grateful for an increasing self-love and dissolution of the inacceptance and hate for my body and especially balding head. 6. I am grateful for an incredible 4-year-old daughter and a fantastic relationship with her that's still just getting better the more the both of us mature into it. The ups and downs we've had so far only feel like more firewood for the flame of our love. 7. I am grateful for the air that I'm breathing and the plants and algae that exhaled the oxygen that supports my body. 8. I am grateful for a sharp and creative mind that's not so neurotic anymore as it has been for most of my life. 9. I am grateful for Leo. I watched you in my early 20s, profited, but thought you seemed so arrogant and premature about the insight you claimed as your own and the way you communicated it to your assumed listener, so I stopped. Today, I see you as a human being, and a beautiful one. I don't judge you. I love you. Thank you for everything and especially for making me take nonduality seriously at an early age. There are no words for how much this was and is worth. 10. I am grateful for a flourishing and successful business in consciousness work that is unfathomably more fulfilling than what I had believed to be the expression of my authentic life purpose for the longest time. -
Breakingthewall replied to Cathy92506's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Nonduality says: there is no self, everything is one. You are not the thoughts, you are where the thoughts pass. Let them pass, don't get caught up in them. Let's see, if there is no self, who can choose to catch up in thoughts or not? If there is no duality, how can thoughts be different from where they occur? Reality is precisely the other way around: you are the thoughts. When a thought occurs, you are that, just as you are the body flowing in infinite processes and beyond the limits that are perceived, you are the whole, everything that is flowing. You are the flow of reality taking this form. What happens is that this form is not static or closed, it is dynamic and open, therefore, you as a flow can flow in an expanded way, not a contracted one. You are not a static observer watching the thoughts; that is precisely the appearance of the perceiving subject that occurs in the flow. That's why you perceive that silence has nothing to do with awakening, because it hasn't. -
The sense of self doesn't realize it isn't real. No amount of do this or do that in spirituality is of any use or any good. It appears to happen. Teachers, mystics, sages, gurus, etc, all there. Students, all there. All empty and void of any meaning. No value but only to the non-existent separate self. Nothing wrong with any of it, but there's no being more fortunate or less fortunate because there's not a separate entity there for that to be happening to. Oprah is no more richer than I am. There is no Oprah and there is no I. That's all illusory and the dream. Now, do I perceive it differently, of course. I wish I had Oprah's money, but that's life wishing that and life saying that. The sense of separation will feel differently and perceive differently, it can't help it even if we change tge context and put another story in it's place. I'm not over here saying all is well and nothing needs to be different and how I'm the same as Oprah and blah blah, of course not. That's meaning and purpose involved and arises in the self. No one can stop that. No one can apply nonduality and no one can see or experience the Absolute perfection that is already. How can that be. Impossible. Why? Because that's also Absolute perfection. Sadness is absolute perfection, trying to apply nonduality is absolute, it's all absolute. There is no escaping this. Your suffering is absolute. Your wanting to escape suffering is absolute. It's all encompassing. Anyone telling you about God is Absolute. Whatever they're saying is Absolute. Agreeing or disagreeing is absolute. Saying there's nothing to do then, is Absolute, not saying that isn't absolute because not doesn't exist. Show me something that's not. Absence is all there is. Once it's shown, it's no longer. How? Why? Nothing known exists because absence is Absolute being present. How? Knowing isn't a collapse, it's subject/object related and both are dual and suggests separation. This is why nothing is really happening and NOTHING is all there is. That's the freedom and liberation that's being saught, but not really, as that's also not really happening. It's a fucking paradox and a mindfuck but not really because there's really no mind. Nothing is being mind which cancels itself out as in collapses into nothing.
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Dodo replied to Cosmiin's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
It was very much the cross between time and timeless. There undeniably is a story happening, unfolding, or we can't really say its the year 2025. Thats one real story and humanity is pretty real, no? And 2025 after Christ, marking Christ Jesus as real and vital as well to our story. To consensus reality... in a way, i have been ignoring the time dimension for so long, being centered in the Now, and time had its counter argument - me as a human, what am I without time? Why should I even be alive as a human, if I don't respect time? I had to give something back, perhaps show im prepared to take my fair share of pain as well, to grow up from my fantasy that I was crafting in the timeless, which mightve affected other beings negatively! I do believe the cross signifies this, marriage between the time dimension and the timeless. Ignoring the time dimension seems to be playing a game of ignoring, and only time dimension is also a game of ignoring. When we add the two together, we get the cross ✝️ both dimensions at once, and crazy things begin to unfold when we try to balance between both ultimately contradictory points of view, but nonduality should be able to include both! I can't deny its the year 2025. And my own humanity. My life felt like it has purpose and meaning, not just this moment, but the events themselves. And i believe its a way for my soul to purify and glow up in a way. I dont see it as ego, but as grounding, perhaps, I grounded myself pretty literally. I fell from my metaphorical high ground. Like an ant that wanted to be a loner, but then gets injured and realises its pretty good that there is an entire colony that cares about it, and that the colony is much greater than any one piece inside it. -
Here we go again. After cleaning up my psyche very very deeply, I have started to access deeper questions and inquiries about the Self, God and Being. So, I smoked a few hits of a 40% indica hybrid with my bong, with a mild relaxing feeling, and got myself in the classic nondual state. Really present, eternal present, connected with every form, and conscious of my solipsistic existence. Then the question emerged: What is the border of God? What is outside God? What's the CONTEXT of God? After a long silent session of focus and concentration on Being, I started getting some insights. God is the matrix of existence. So God cannot be contained inside a box made of something. This box cannot exist in the classic sense of "existing". So God must be contained in some kind of non-box, non-frame. non-container. What's the level of reality above God? Since God is all existence, the level above God, the container, must be a form of NON-EXISTENCE. So, if my inquiry is correct, God is contained in non-existence, God has EMERGED from non-existence, which is its original box where it was born from. That might also explain why Spirit is so empty and formless. Because Spirit emerged from a non-existent matrix. NOT in the sense that this box/matrix is "not there", it is there, or better said, it is HERE. This empty non-existent box IS here and now. You are inside it. And since you are God you are inside that box. It's like matryoshka dolls: Non-existent Box God Ego God seems to have emerged from a container of non-existence, non-being. So, in a paradoxical and insane sense, God is essence born from non-essence. It's a world of things emerged from a world of pure non-existence. That's a rough trip to me. I'm not entirely sure of this, but I feel on the right track. Cheers
