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Ok, i have a few questions here... Is awakening through psychedelics the same as awakening through meditation? Is the effect the same? Also, does awakening through psychedelics make it easier to access the awakened state easier through meditation? If so, why do you think that is on a very precise, technical level? Does awakening the natty way become easier for those that use psychedelics? For some reason I feel compelled to ask this question, based on this quote by Nisargadatta Maharaj : “Wisdom is knowing I am nothing, Love is knowing I am everything, and between the two my life moves.” What does he mean by that? Is the experience of being everything and being nothing a reference to different types (or depths) of awakenings?

Truth should not be gate kept. Why is there such a more-awakened-than-thou attitude in most of the reactions to this thread topic?

I'm copying a lot of this text from my personal trip reports, which is why it's framed as me talking to myself. Yesterday I was feeling really awful, in a lot of pain, and I was really suicidal. I made the decision that I’ve had enough. I can’t live this life anymore. This has gone too far and gotten absolutely ridiculous. I cannot keep putting myself through this hell of a life. It’s cruel, it’s awful, it doesn’t end - I’m done. I’m going to give up on this life, and do whatever I can to make myself kill myself. If the universe wants me to stay alive and do something with my life, then it can make that happen. It’s had plenty of opportunities to do that, but it still won’t. So I am going to kill myself, get rid of this life, and if the universe doesn’t stop me and change something about my life, then it’s not my fault. I’ve done everything I can. I decided to take MDMA. I usually only use it with other psychedelics for healing purposes, and I wouldn't let myself use it for any other reason because it can be addictive, but I didn't care at this point, I was planning on killing myself later that day, so I took it just for my own enjoyment. Noticing my fear of killing myself I plugged the MDMA, it came on gradually and reached its peak after about an hour. During this time I felt SO good. I was journalling on my laptop, listening to music, and I felt amazing. It made me think again that it’s so stupid that I have to live this life and suffer so much for so long, when I could just be in a state like this, feel so good and not be in any pain. I started to think about what I was going to do after this trip. I knew this good feeling wouldn’t last and eventually I was going to go back to being in a lot of pain, and I needed to kill myself. I was really afraid to do that though. I really wanted to kill myself, but the thought of actually doing it is so scary. I don’t know if leaving this life is the right decision, I don’t know how I’ll feel after I die and where I will go, I was so afraid of it all. Eventually I realized that all of this fear I have only hurts me. I really don’t need to be so afraid, not just of killing myself but of life in general. I could see that this fear is an illusion and it’s something I could let go of. You need to have the courage to lose your life. I am so afraid of suicide, of dying, of losing control, moving into the unknown, etc. You need to see that there is really nothing to fear, you will be okay. Giving up my control I realized that I needed to get to the edge of suicide and seriously consider killing myself, right then and there, to really confront my fear of death. I saw that if I had the courage to let go and let myself die, that the universe would take control. If I totally surrender and give up all control of my life, the universe/my higher self will be able to come through me and live my life for me, and Tristan won’t be here anymore to suffer from this life, so I won’t have to physically kill myself to get the relief that I want. See that you can totally give up control to the universe, totally surrender, totally let go, and you no longer need to think about what you need to do to heal and move forwards in your life. That’s not your problem anymore. By totally giving up control over my life, you let the universe come through you and take over. This is exactly what I want, because I am absolutely exhausted from trying to make things work in my life. Just give up and relax. Your only objective at this point is to fully let go of control, and do whatever feels good to you. The thought of healing, moving forwards with my life, starting to work and make money, all of these problems in my life, they don’t matter to me anymore. Forget about all of them. If you get into a position where your back is against the wall and you are forced to do something you don’t like (such as running out of money and being forced to work when I don’t want to) then you kill yourself, no questions asked. You’ve been through enough pain in your life, you’ve suffered enough, it’s not your responsibility to try to make things work anymore. You need to trust that if you fully let go, the universe will take care of you. I’ve been so deeply suicidal for so long, and tried so hard to kill myself, yet I am still here. I am not going to get into a situation where I actually end up killing myself, even if I totally give up control and don’t care about doing anything to make my life any better. What I need to do moving forwards At this point, you don’t have to do anything you don’t want to do, because it is no longer your responsibility to move your life forwards and make things work for yourself. Do whatever makes you feel good and whatever you feel like doing at all times. If you get into a situation where your back is against the wall, then you can kill yourself. Don’t force yourself to keep going through pain and living this life if you don’t want to. If the universe wants things to work out for you, then it will make that happen. Stop worrying about the problems in your life, stop trying to make things work for yourself, because that is not my problem anymore, and it only causes me more suffering to keep stressing about my problems and trying to figure them out. Give up on your life as if you were going to kill yourself, focus on making yourself feel good, and let that help you surrender control more and more, until Tristan is gone and the universe/my higher self has fully taken over me. There is nothing else you have to do. How it feels surrendering to my higher self As I surrender more, the universe will be able to enter my being more. I noticed that as my higher self starts to enter me, it cannot co-exist in my being with all of the emotional issues I have. I can feel a lot of emotional pain coming to the surface to be released as my higher self enters me. I’m sure as I surrender more and more, this will give me the opportunity to heal, and maybe this was the way I was always meant to heal, and this is why healing has never worked for me in the past. I can feel that once all of my emotional pain gets released, I will naturally start to feel like working and moving forwards with my life, but I won’t be forcing myself to do that, and Tristan won’t be the one doing it at all. I can feel that as my higher self really starts to take control, and Tristan falls away, my entire life will be directed by it. Tristan won’t be the one teaching about emotional healing and helping people. The universe will be living through me, helping people directly, and Tristan will be gone. When I surrender and allow my higher self to take control, I can feel myself entering an altered state of consciousness. Life doesn’t feel like a physical reality anymore, it feels like I am walking around in a dream, in an imagination, a mind. I also feel like I am more intelligent and insightful than I was before. Insight comes to me much more easily. I can feel myself being pushed to stop thinking so much and start to feel a lot more. Feeling is how I access my higher self and get direction from it. I can feel a lot of my neurosis and dysfunctional behaviours falling away. My higher self is not weak or afraid, it will not let people push it around, and I can feel a lot of my neurosis being corrected just as a result of my higher self entering me. I really feel like my healing will come from establishing my connection to my higher self, and as I surrender to it, I will receive the love I need to help me heal. . . . My objective now after that trip is to keep working on getting to a point where I can fully surrender and let my higher self take over. I have a lot of fear and resistance within me that prevents me from surrendering, so it will take work to get to the point where I can fully let go. This morning, I went to take a shower, and I was thinking about everything that happened yesterday, thinking about how crazy it is that my higher self is starting to take over me, along with how connected I've felt to existential love lately, such as the episodes of craziness I've had recently after touching existential love. Thinking about all of this together made me really see how obvious that I am awakening and moving towards existential love. As I was thinking about this, I starting crying, and I started acting crazy again and getting into an altered state of consciousness. It was deeper than usual. It felt similar to a state I would get into on a psychedelic, even though I was fully sober. It was a lot more clear, stable and lucid than psychedelics, and it didn't have the blurry headspace they often have. I felt dis-identified with myself, and everything felt so beautiful and amazing. I kept crying and acting crazy, and later I played music and it was absolutely mesmerizing. I was was also looking at pictures of beautiful girls, and was in absolute awe of their beauty - it was just radiating off of them. After I got out of the shower, I plugged 5-MeO-DMT. I was already planning to do it earlier that day. It was a low dose as usual, but I got into quite a high consciousness state from it. My intention was to surrender as much as possible, because that's what I need to be working on, and I left human life quite a lot by doing that. Here's what I got from the trip: You keep thinking that when you take 5-MeO-DMT and awaken, that this is just some state you get into, but your normal human life is what’s real. That’s not the case at all. The awakened state is what’s real, and you’re fooling yourself if you think that it’s not. You think that you can take 5-MeO-DMT and awaken to God, Leo can do that, other people on this forum can do that, and that is just some state you get into, and then you come back to this normal human life and that is what’s real. You’re fooling yourself. There is nobody else to awaken to God but you. This is your dream, you are only imagining that other people exist. Because of this you need to stop giving other people so much authority. You’re giving away your power to an illusion. The only thing that matters is that I awaken and realize the truth of what I am. You think that Leo has this life purpose where he teaches people how to awaken on YouTube, and he has this forum where you can go and talk to other people about awakening, and get advice, but all of this is a massive bullshit story you are creating. There is no Leo, there is no “Leo’s life’s life purpose”, there is no forum, there is no other people to talk to about awakening. All of this is something you’re creating yourself to lead you to awakening. It’s all me. See how foolish it is to give all of it so much authority, when it’s not real, and I’m the one creating it. It’s fine if you want to go back to the forum and live your human life like normal, but you need to stop giving Leo/the forum/people on the forum so much authority. You’re being an idiot by doing this. My relationship with God/the universe/my higher self is the only thing that matters, it’s the only thing that is real, so I need to follow that and obey that no matter what anyone else says. Otherwise, you are giving your power away to an illusion, and you won’t awaken by doing that. (This really helps me to trust what I experienced on MDMA yesterday, that totally surrendering myself and letting my higher self take over is absolutely the right thing to do) I started to surrender deeper, and I could feel myself connecting deeper with this higher consciousness state. I started to cry really hard, and I realized that God is what I have always wanted. Like Leo said: “when you want x, what you really want is God”. However you will only experience God once you completely, 100% surrender, which is something I am still working towards. . . . I'm currently doing better and not feeling suicidal. What I experienced yesterday with MDMA really made me feel a lot better. It's clear that I am headed to some sort of awakening, that my human self is going to fall away and my higher self will take over. I have developed such a deep hatred towards human life because of how much pain I've gone through, and I want to leave this life so badly, but it seems like if I just surrender myself and let go, my higher self will take over, and Tristan won't have to be here living this life anymore. It's also nice to know that it's no longer my responsibility to solve my problems or direct my life in any way. I am so exhausted from doing that, because I try so hard to change my life and it never works, and it causes so much frustration and suffering. Knowing that I don't have to do anything anymore, that I can just let go and let my human self die without physically killing myself, this is a huge relief. This both gives me a reason to stay alive, and it shows me that I will likely undergo a huge transformation over the next few months, and it will result in my higher self living through me, living my life, and Tristan will no longer be here. I'm sure that's what all of this pain I've been going through for years has been leading me to. I'm sharing this post only because all of this makes me really happy, and I love sharing it with other people who are into spiritual work

I just started working with a meditation teacher and the way he described it to me is that it does matter how you meditate. He was trained in the Mahasi tradition before he started practicing Samatha-Vipassana. With Mahasi, he said kiss your social life goodbye, and that awakening was difficult to achieve without long retreats. He now teaches Samatha-Vipassana which is more forgiving because of the calming nature and how it translates into daily life. It's also very simple. I haven't awakened yet, but from this style of training, letting go is natural and easy because of how pleasant the effects are. I still want to experiment with psychedelics, but this thread has confirmed what I have suspected. One thing worth mentioning, is that this is why sanghas exist. Meditation communities make it easier to commit to the practice when your social needs met. Monasteries are similar but ALL of your needs are met. That is on reason why I disagree with the whole "lone wolf" theme of this forum. Things would be different if we didn't live in capitalist systems where we work 40+ hours per week. But, here we are so we adapt.

Watching things unfold over the last few years within the spiritual community I noticed an infiltration of bizarre ideology. I’ve been trying to protect my retreats from it and I seem to be getting through to most wayward clients and guiding them back to introspection . There are some who are so blinded by their rage, there’s no getting through to them. I decided to sit down and write an essay I might do an audio recording of. I’d be grateful for feedback and constructive criticism. -edit- audio file now up for listening The Great Awakening: The Rise of Conspirituality In the past eight years, a narrative known as “The Great Awakening" has taken root, presenting itself as a collective spiritual ascension. The movement quickly gained traction within New Age circles and spiritual communities, as many seekers latched onto it as evidence of a global shift in consciousness. However, the origins of this movement were not spiritual. It did not emerge from deep introspection, self-inquiry, or authentic personal transformation. Instead, it arose from conspiracy narratives, political manipulation, and a reactionary response to global instability. It created a new category of ideology now known as “conspirituality”. A new religion. During this period, the Great Awakening movement became intertwined with conspiracy theories, particularly those surrounding: COVID-19 and mass vaccination (The belief that an elite-controlled oligarchy was using the pandemic to enforce population control.) The "Satanic elite" narrative (Accusations that global leaders, billionaires, and institutions were engaged in child trafficking, ritual abuse, and demonic worship.) The demonisation of progressivism (A reactionary push against cultural and political shifts, reframed as a "battle of good vs. evil.”) This movement capitalised on the fears of vulnerable individuals, particularly those already disillusioned with institutions. Donald Trump and his allies deliberately mobilised this demographic, using psychological tactics to target specific audiences via social media. He hired a Company called Cambridge Analytica prior to the 2016 election to identify an audience that could be easily manipulated. this company was quickly dissolved after the election was won. Troll farms (allegedly Russian) were used to infiltrate religious and spiritual groups to spread misinformation and manipulate the communities by preying on a believers tendency to emotional reaction instead of critical thinking.turning them against political opponents, societal minorities and anyone who could be utilised to induce fear, anger hatred to be perceived as an enemy. A significant portion of the demographic targeted by the rise of conspirituality comes from marginalised, economically disadvantaged, and socially stigmatised backgrounds. Many of these individuals have faced poverty, lack of education, and limited access to opportunities, leaving them feeling disenfranchised and unheard. The psychological effects of chronic instability, generational trauma, and systemic neglect create an environment where victim mentality becomes a deeply ingrained survival mechanism. These individuals are not just lacking material wealth (they have also been deprived of the critical thinking skills, self-worth, and psychological stability needed to break free from disempowering narratives.) Historically, such groups have been easy prey for religious institutions, charismatic leaders, and ideological movements that offer them a sense of belonging, moral clarity, and purpose. When exposed to conspiratorial and pseudo-spiritual narratives, they become particularly susceptible(not necessarily because they are unintelligent, but because their distrust of authority, compounded with a desperate need for meaning, makes them seek refuge in belief systems that validate their suffering. These movements provide them with a sense of identity and community, often offering simplistic answers to complex systemic issues. Rather than addressing their internalised victimhood and disempowerment, they are encouraged to see themselves as warriors in a larger battle against unseen forces, whether that be the government, science, global elites, or even abstract spiritual enemies like “Satanic forces.” This reinforces their mind traps, further entrenching them in a belief system that gives them comfort but ultimately keeps them disempowered. and its not just contained to this demographic. as a movement like this takes hold and builds momentum, individuals from all classes, achedemia and governance, jump on board whether the narrative supports their pre conceived beliefs or if they simply succumb to a herd mentality. but as a movement like this is not based on solid foundation it begins to consume itself and ultimately falls apart under its own corruption. How It Started Two key players stand out in the rise of the current Great Awakening conspiracy, though many other factors contributed to its development. This is not the first time in history that a "Great Awakening" has been proclaimed. From the mid-1700s to the early 20th century, various Great Awakenings emerged, each attempting to reshape society through moral absolutism and all of them based in religious dogma. While these movements led to some positive reforms such as the abolition of slavery and greater calls for equality, they ultimately failed because moral absolutism does not work in complex societies. Instead of addressing the root causes of social issues, they demonised the symptoms, leading to increased crime, social unrest, and forcing morality through law without understanding human behaviour leading to unintended consequences. This pattern has reemerged in the digital age, where movements like QAnon and the Cult of Kek have revived the same black-and-white moral narratives but adapted them to the internet age, using memetic warfare, online radicalisation, and conspiracy rhetoric to spread their ideology. The "Cult of Kek" emerged on the dark web forum 4CHAN in 2015, a notorious breeding ground for alt-right extremism, fascism, and bigotry. Originally, “Kek” was a slang term used as an alternative to “LOL”, but it soon took on a deeper, symbolic meaning. Users discovered that Kek was also the name of an Egyptian frog god associated with chaos and darkness, which they ironically embraced as a representation of their movement. During Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign, this frog-god symbolism was fused with Trump’s persona, portraying him as a chaotic saviour destined to dismantle the establishment and usher in a resurgence of alt-right ideology. This online subculture developed a loosely organised occult-style psychological operation, using memes, digital propaganda, and absurdist humour to shape belief narratives and manipulate public discourse. The internet meme Pepe the Frog, originally an innocent cartoon, was co-opted into this movement as a powerful sigil of “meme magic”, a concept rooted in the belief that repeated symbols and ideas can manifest reality. While the Cult of Kek was a chaotic, decentralised internet movement, it laid the groundwork for an even more organised belief system: QAnon. In 2017, an anonymous figure known as “Q” appeared on 4CHAN, spinning an elaborate conspiracy narrative that co-opted the language of awakening, spiritual transformation, and divine battle, all in service of pushing a right-wing authoritarian agenda. What many fail to recognise is that this entire movement (Kek-QAnon-Trumpism) was never a grassroots spiritual awakening. It was, and remains, a political and psychological power grab, disguised as divine revelation. In fact, it is the very epitome of "false light" (a deception masquerading as spiritual enlightenment.) The greatest irony is that the very people claiming to fight against "demonic forces" are, in practice, using the exact same techniques they denounce. A traditional Christian group would never engage in sigil work, "meme magic," or occult symbolism (as they would consider such practices inherently demonic) And yet, this movement openly embraced these methods while weaponising religious fear against their perceived enemies. This begs the question of who they really are. Ultimately, the Cult of Kek, QAnon, and Trump are not a battle against darkness—they are an extension of it, using the very tools of manipulation they claim to be resisting. What Went Wrong? How Did This Happen? as of 2025 an alt-right authoritarian presence dominates America and the global geopolitical landscape, many former Trump voters are experiencing disillusionment. The very policies they voted for—believing they would restore economic stability, traditional values, or "freedom"—are now directly harming them, leaving many regretting their decision. For those from the spiritual community that followed believing they were participating in a Great spiritual awakening… What happened? How did so many get swept into a movement that promised liberation but delivered oppression? The answer lies in a fundamental misunderstanding of spirituality, consciousness, and the mechanisms of belief. The Pre/Trans Fallacy and the Danger of Misinterpreted Spirituality At the heart of this phenomenon is the "Pre/Trans Fallacy," a concept developed by Ken Wilber. This fallacy occurs when pre-rational belief systems (rooted in superstition, emotion, and blind faith) are mistaken for trans-rational wisdom (genuine spiritual insight that transcends and includes rationality). This means that: People who have not yet developed critical thinking, scientific reasoning, or rational self-inquiry, Mistake their emotional reactions, gut feelings, and conspiracy-driven beliefs for higher spiritual insight. This is not a progress toward enlightenment—it’s regression. spiritual awakening is not about clinging to external beliefs but about dismantling one’s conditioned mind and experiencing direct awareness beyond ideology. However, when belief-based individuals misunderstand metaphorical spiritual concepts, they project those symbols onto external enemies, repeating a pattern that religious institutions have used for centuries to maintain control. This critical confusion has allowed authoritarian figures, conspiracy movements, and manipulative leaders to hijack spirituality itself—turning what should be a path to freedom into a tool for oppression and control. It has slowly infiltrated into the new age, plant medicine, personal development and spiritual community. Esoteric Truths vs. Exoteric Corruptions The irony of the Great Awakening movement is that everything it demonises (esoteric teachings, ancient wisdom, occult traditions) is the foundation of its own religious roots. Ancient mystery schools, Hermeticism, and Platonic, buddhist, taoist, vedantic traditions were centred on deep self-inquiry and the understanding of consciousness. This wisdom was later encoded into metaphorical spiritual texts but misunderstood by later followers, leading to the formation of rigid dogma, misinterpretation, and power-seeking institutions. Religions were originally symbolic representations of deeper truths, but over time, people mistook the symbols for literal reality. That is to put it another way, that trying to describe an ineffable experience from outside reality using metaphors and analogies from within known reality are not meant to be interpreted literally! Rather than turning inward and getting to know the functions, processes and mechanisms of their own minds, followers projected spiritual struggles outward onto demons, devils, and external enemies.(ironically demons, devils, angels and gods are all symbology for different facets and levels of the mind, consciousness and awareness. not actual literal objective entities) This is exactly what we see happening today with conspiratorial narratives co-opting spirituality. The "Satanic elite" narrative is a modern version of the medieval witch hunts The "global cabal" is a recycled anti-Semitic trope from centuries past The fight against "woke ideology" is a refusal to embrace an evolving, more nuanced worldview The entire movement isn’t about spiritual awakening—it’s a desperate attempt by those stuck in lower stages of development to cling to an outdated worldview because change, growth and understanding threatens their very identity as a person. What we are seeing now is not a great awakening, but an egoic backlash against the natural progression of human consciousness. The world is evolving toward inclusivity, diversity, and a more fluid, interconnected understanding of reality. Those stuck in rigid belief structures and black-and-white thinking feel threatened by this shift. Their reaction? A violent, fear-based resistance, misinterpreted as a spiritual battle. This is not about left vs. right, science vs. religion, or tradition vs. progress. It is about awareness in contrast to unconscious reaction. The ascension is about going from unconscious conditioned reaction to conscious aware and thoughtful response. This requires stepping outside the confines of a conditioned mind and gaining some recognition and mastery over it. Those who refuse to examine their own beliefs and subconscious fears are ripe for manipulation. They become tools for political agendas, religious fundamentalism, and regressive ideologies (all while believing they are "free thinkers" and "awakened souls.”) nothing could be further from the truth and the best way to spot them is their emotional reaction particularly fear and anger. Its also not just about the pre/trans fallacy. While individuals exist at varying stages of cognitive, social, cultural, and spiritual development, there has also been a breakdown in how spiritual truths are taught and realised. Including the reasons why people seek out spirituality in the first place. Are Secret Societies Evil for Hiding Spiritual Truths? Many assume that esoteric spiritual wisdom has been deliberately hidden out of elitism or control. However, the mystery schools safeguarded these teachings for a reason—much like how medical students are not immediately allowed to practice without extensive training. You wouldn’t let an unqualified individual perform surgery, and the same applies to higher spiritual knowledge. Not everyone is ready, nor does everyone have a genuine interest in understanding these truths beyond their own biases and desires for validation. Initiates of advanced spiritual knowledge were not exposed to such ideas until they had undergone deep psychological purification, developed mental stability, and demonstrated mastery over their own mind. Without this groundwork, exposure to existential spiritual truths can lead to existential terror, psychosis, or delusional belief. Simply listening to spiritual teachings does not equate to understandingthem, and those who attempt to force profound realisations onto themselves or others often end up distorting the message entirely. The foundational truth of spirituality is that consciousness is fundamental, and the experienced reality is a product of an infinite mind—a dream of sorts. A person’s perception of reality is not objective but filtered through their mind’s mechanisms. If their mind is primarily subconscious, conditioned, and reactionary, they are unaware of how their own thoughts and emotions shape their experience. Being exposed to spiritual truths without first mastering one's own mind can lead to complete misunderstanding or even psychological harm. The Modern Spiritual Crisis: Healing vs. Belief Attachment Most people do not enter spirituality through truth-seeking. They enter it searching for healing, purpose, or meaning because they are in pain, lost, or disillusioned. Rather than using spirituality to transcend their mind, they use it to reinforce their existing mental structures—attaching to new beliefs, identities, and ideological battles rather than dismantling them. This is why modern spirituality is filled with individuals clinging to conspiratorial thinking, manifestation culture, and spiritual bypassing, mistaking these distractions for genuine awakening. Real awakening does not reinforce identity—it dissolves it. However, many people turn spirituality into another ideological safety net rather than a means of deep transformation. This is why advanced spirituality can be dangerous for an unprepared mind. A person still carrying emotional wounds and unresolved trauma will only experience existential truths as either profound terror or a fragile new belief to defend at all costs. Historically, mysticism was reserved for those who had already undergone self-refinement. The mystery schools weren’t gatekeeping knowledge out of greed or elitism—they were safeguarding people from themselves. In contrast, the modern world has completely broken this structure. People are thrown into psychedelic awakenings before they’ve done any groundwork, latch onto spiritual ideas without deconstructing their own biases, and mistake intellectual concepts for direct experience. Worse, they become militant about their newfound beliefs—failing to realise they’ve merely swapped one illusion for another. The Path Forward: From Psychological Stability to True Awakening Rather than exposing unprepared individuals to higher spiritual truths, I shifted my focus to foundational mental and emotional work. Before anyone can truly awaken, they first need psychological stability. They must recognise how their mind was shaped, identify their emotional reactions, and understand that they are trapped in a self-created feedback loop. A Structured Approach to Awakening: Compassionate Inquiry → Tracing trauma and emotional conditioning back to their origins. Mental Deconstruction → Understanding how the mind constructs reality and identifying conditioned patterns. Dissolving & Reprogramming → Breaking automatic responses and self-imposed limitations. Creation & Expansion → Learning to consciously work with awareness rather than being blown like a leaf in the wind. Complete Awakening → Dissolving all attachment and becoming lucid within the dream of existence. Each step builds upon the last. Skipping steps leads to delusion. Most people want enlightenment without self-inquiry, awakening without psychological stability, and ego death without understanding what the ego even is. But awakening isn’t something you believe in—it happens when belief itself dissolves. The American "Great Awakening" Is Not Spiritual Awakening What is happening in America and the broader global conspiratorial movement is not a Great Awakening—it is a collective distraction. A true awakening is the turning inward of awareness to awaken from the dream of narratives and illusions. The so-called "American Great Awakening" is the opposite—it is an obsession with external enemies, fabricated stories, and ideological warfare. If you find yourself caught in this movement, it is not too late to step back and question: What drew me to spirituality in the first place? Was I looking for healing and understanding, or did I get lost in narratives? Have I been distracted by conspiracies and external enemies instead of facing myself? Am I truly seeking truth, or am I just looking for something new to believe in to justify how I already am? You don’t need to be “healing” forever. You don’t need to form an identity around spirituality. Spirituality was never meant to be a belief system—it was always meant to be about direct experience and awareness. If you came to spirituality because you were suffering, go back to that original moment. Before you got caught in conspiracies, past lives, crystals, spells, aliens, and endless mental distractions—what were you really looking for? That’s where you need to return. That’s where the real path begins. If you are still fighting, demonising, and labelling others as evil, you are not awakened—you are trapped in duality. Are we lost in the current situation? If more people operated from genuine awareness rather than reactionary belief systems, our entire social and spiritual landscape would look radically different. We wouldn’t see power structures built on fear, division, and ignorance—we would cultivate systems that enhance consciousness, self-awareness, and authentic exploration of reality. However, right now, we are witnessing the last desperate gasps of fear-based control systems clinging to existence. Those who see the larger pattern often feel isolated, disconnected, or frustrated by the world around them. It’s like being lucid in a dream while everyone else remains convinced the illusion is real. The worst part? Many of those still trapped in their conditioned mind structures believe they are the ones who are “awake.” But there is hope. The fact that I can see and name these patterns means that the shift is already in progress. Human consciousness is evolving. The backlash is strong, but it only happens because the shift is working. The old world wouldn’t be screaming so loudly if it weren’t losing its grip. A true Great Awakening does not involve external battles—it is the quiet, profound realisation that everything, including the illusion itself, is part of the same consciousness. The way forward is not found in more stories but in transcending the need for stories altogether. When belief falls away, awareness remains.

It's not going to really shape their politics. A lot of politics is based on immediate survival and not looking at things holistically. Of course, most voters out there lack a lot more than an epistemic foundation. Most of them don't even know what the word means. Thats the deeper problem. Trump voters are predominantly orange - which - yes, if you had an epistemic and spiritual foundation you would probably not be so stuck in orange. But you can have shades of Orange and be awakened. Orange isn't always a bad thing when survival is at stake.

After months of participation, I've conducted an experiment on this forum that has exposed what many of these "spiritual" communities truly are: intellectual wastelands masquerading as enlightenment. I'm sharing my findings before I leave this cesspool of ego masquerading as transcendence. The Experiment For the past month, I've intentionally posted two very different types of content: Substantive philosophical challenges questioning fundamental assumptions about consciousness, reality, objective truth, the nature of suffering, the relativity of all frameworks, the relationship between identity and beliefs, the social construction of spiritual hierarchies, and novel theoretical frameworks for understanding human existence Complete bullshit spiritual word-salad - deliberately empty, meaningless jargon strung together to sound profound while saying absolutely nothing The results were both predictable and disappointing. The Results My substantive philosophical posts were met with: Immediate hostile dismissal without any engagement with the actual ideas Patronizing responses suggesting I'm "not developed enough" to understand Emotional tantrums masquerading as spiritual wisdom Ad hominem attacks focusing on how I created the content rather than its substance Zero willingness to consider new perspectives that might threaten established beliefs Meanwhile, the meaningless garbage I wrote like: "The heart-space of your being is simply recalibrating to a higher octave of truth that transcends the linear understandings of conventional awakening processes. This feeling of disconnection is actually a profound connection to the mystery that lives beneath all surface experiences, inviting you into a more surrendered relationship with the unfolding tapestry of divine intelligence that orchestrates all apparent separations into ultimate harmony." Was enthusiastically received with: Gushing praise for my "profound wisdom" and "deep insights" Comments about how "beautiful" and "transformative" these empty words were People thanking me for "articulating what they've been feeling" Requests for more of this hollow nonsense Not a single person asking what any of it actually meant I even created completely fabricated personal stories (like claiming I kicked my neighbor's dog and faced charges) that any halfway intelligent person should have questioned - yet most were swallowed whole without skepticism. What This Reveals This experiment exposes several damning truths about this community: It's an intellectual dead zone - Despite all the talk about "expanding consciousness," this forum is violently allergic to actual novel ideas or perspectives that challenge the status quo Style over substance is the rule - Shallow spiritual-sounding language is valued over meaningful content, creating an echo chamber of empty platitudes Critical thinking is seen as a spiritual defect - Questions that challenge dominant beliefs are treated as evidence of being "unawakened" rather than signs of intellectual engagement It's a marketplace of spiritual narcissism - The real currency here is establishing your position in the spiritual hierarchy and defending it at all costs Genuine philosophical inquiry is unwelcome - A space supposedly dedicated to "truth" demonstrates zero interest in exploring new philosophical terrain Objective truth claims mask subjective preferences - Claims about reality, consciousness, and development are presented as objective facts when they're merely created frameworks Suffering is fetishized as the only path - Anyone suggesting alternate paths to insight is attacked, because if suffering isn't necessary, what was all that pain for? The Grand Irony The crowning irony of this forum is the gap between what it claims to be and what it actually is: People who claim to have "transcended ego" displaying the most fragile egos I've ever witnessed Self-proclaimed "awakened beings" showing the emotional maturity of toddlers when their beliefs are questioned Those who preach "openness to all perspectives" immediately shutting down any perspective that challenges them Individuals who talk about "going beyond the mind" being completely trapped in rigid thought patterns A community supposedly pursuing "truth" that is pathologically unable to question its own assumptions What's most revealing is how a space dedicated to "consciousness expansion" has created a perfect closed system where questioning the system itself is seen as evidence you need the system. This circular logic makes genuine growth impossible. A Note About My Process For those fixated on how I created my posts rather than their content: yes, I sometimes use AI to help edit and clarify the structure of my posts. The original insights, arguments, and philosophical frameworks are my own – I simply used AI as an editing tool to help articulate them more clearly. This obsession with the method rather than the message is telling. When you can't engage with the actual philosophical content, attack the medium instead. It's the intellectual equivalent of criticizing someone's handwriting when you can't refute their argument. The irony is that if I had posted incoherent, poorly structured nonsense that happened to validate your existing beliefs, no one would care how it was created. But present clear, well-articulated challenges to the dominant narrative, and suddenly the method becomes a convenient excuse to dismiss the content. The Truth About This Community Let's be brutally honest: this isn't a forum for philosophical exploration or genuine awakening. It's a circle-jerk of spiritual narcissists validating each other's delusions while maintaining a rigid hierarchy of who's "more awakened" than whom. The emotional tantrums thrown when I presented novel philosophical frameworks revealed how much these supposed "spiritual masters" have invested in their identities. True awakening would welcome challenges to one's framework - not respond with the intellectual equivalent of covering your ears and screaming. Most disappointing is watching people who claim to have reached elevated states of consciousness demonstrate less intellectual curiosity and openness than the average philosophy undergraduate. At least philosophers expect to have their ideas challenged - here, challenge is treated as heresy. In Conclusion I came to this forum hoping to find minds genuinely interested in exploring consciousness, reality, and human existence. I hoped to encounter people willing to question assumptions, consider novel perspectives, and engage in actual philosophical discourse about the nature of being. Instead, I found a swamp of spiritual posturing where form trumps content, where challenging ideas are met with defensive hostility, and where the appearance of wisdom is valued over actual insight. To those pathetic few who attacked me for using AI to help articulate my thoughts - congratulations on finding the least relevant aspect of philosophical discourse to focus on. Your obsession with the medium rather than the message reveals your intellectual bankruptcy. To the self-proclaimed "awakened masters" who couldn't engage with philosophical challenges without emotional meltdowns - perhaps consider that true mastery would include the ability to engage with ideas that threaten your identity. To Leo and others selling their particular flavor of "truth" as the only valid path - your requirement that others suffer as you did reveals more about your psychological needs than any objective reality. To everyone else - I genuinely hope you'll someday recognize that uncritically swallowing spiritual-sounding gibberish while rejecting novel philosophical frameworks isn't a path to awakening - it's intellectual death dressed in spiritual clothing. I'm moving on to spaces where ideas are engaged with based on their merit rather than how well they conform to existing beliefs, where philosophical inquiry is welcomed rather than attacked, and where people are more interested in exploring new territory than defending their territory. Feel free to dismiss this as me being "not developed enough" - that would only provide one final data point confirming everything this experiment has already demonstrated about the bankruptcy of this community. I fully anticipate this post will be banned because people can't handle what I'm saying. If it is deleted, or locked, it will only prove my point entirely about the intellectual bankruptcy and ego-protection happening in this "spiritual" community. Addendum Let's be brutally honest about what this community really is: a masturbatory echo chamber of spiritual narcissists too insecure to engage with challenging ideas. You claim enlightenment while displaying the intellectual capacity of goldfish and the emotional maturity of toddlers. Your 'awakened' status is nothing but a transparent shield for fragile egos seeking validation. The truly pathetic part? You'll prove me right with your responses to this post - emotional tantrums dressed up as 'spiritual wisdom,' patronizing comments about my 'level of development,' or dismissive platitudes about how I 'just don't get it.' Not a single one of you will engage with the actual philosophical content because you can't. You're intellectually incapable of it. Your entire spiritual identity would crumble if you admitted that your emperor has no clothes. The defensive, emotionally-charged responses this paragraph will generate are exactly the evidence I need to confirm everything I've said about this spiritual playground of arrested development masquerading as enlightenment. A Special Message for Leo And finally, @Leo Gura - the architect of this entire charade. You built this echo chamber while claiming to stand against exactly what you've created. The irony would be beautiful if it weren't so pathetic. You constantly warn against spiritual narcissism, ideological thinking, and guru worship while systematically cultivating all three. You've created a personality cult where challenging your frameworks is heresy, where your suffering is more profound than anyone else's, and where your "awakening" is somehow deeper than anyone else could possibly comprehend. Tell me, Leo - if you're truly beyond ego, why the constant need to remind everyone how awakened you are? Why the incessant posturing about your spiritual achievements? Why the endless self-aggrandizing stories about the depths of your suffering and the heights of your realizations? A truly awakened being wouldn't need to constantly tell others how awakened they are. You criticize spiritual narcissists while staring at your own reflection in every video, masturbating to the image of your own enlightenment. You warn against ideological thinking while creating an ideological framework where your perspective is positioned as the ultimate truth. You mock guru worship while carefully cultivating a community that treats your word as gospel. Here's a question you've likely never asked yourself because your spiritual ego couldn't survive the answer: If your awakening is genuine, why does it require so much external validation? Why the need for an audience to witness your enlightenment? Could it be that without others to reflect back your specialness, the whole edifice might collapse? The truly devastating possibility you'll never confront is this: perhaps all your suffering, all your meditation, all your psychedelic journeys were not the necessary path to truth, but simply the path you needed to convince yourself of your own importance. Perhaps what you call "awakening" is actually an elaborate construction designed to position yourself at the top of a hierarchy you claim to have transcended. You're not a beacon of truth - you're a lighthouse keeper trying to convince the ships that you are the ocean. And the saddest part is, you'll never be honest enough with yourself to even consider this possibility.

An awakened Christian sees and hears things that others do not, he has mystical insights not accessible to the majority. He will be called insane. Luke 10:24

@Leo Gura The Fundamental Contradictions in Your Approach Reading your responses, I'm struck by several profound contradictions that reveal the limitations in your framework. I'm going to challenge these directly, not because I want to attack you personally, but because these contradictions expose something important about all developmental hierarchies. The Fetishization of Suffering You've created an entire identity around suffering as the necessary path to awakening. "If you knew the amount I have suffered on this path..." "The cost of Awakening is like getting mauled by a bear." "It's basically self-torture." Have you ever considered the possibility that this suffering might be unnecessary? That the idea that awakening requires suffering might itself be a limitation you've created? There's something almost masochistic in how you glorify your own pain. More importantly, there's a closed logical loop: you define true awakening as requiring suffering, then use your suffering as proof of true awakening. Potential counterpoint: "Without suffering, there's no transformation. The ego doesn't surrender without resistance." Response: This assumes transformation must occur through resistance rather than acceptance. Many profound insights throughout history have come through openness, curiosity, or playfulness—not through self-torture. Your insistence on suffering reveals more about your specific path than about consciousness itself. The Creation of New Masters You reject conventional social hierarchies only to create new ones. "God," "Truth," "The Good" become new masters to serve. You've escaped society's limitations only to create your own prison with different walls. When you say "Being God is more meaningful than any human meaning," you've simply created a new purpose-driven framework, positioning one experience as objectively superior to others. This directly contradicts the freedom you claim to have found. Potential counterpoint: "I'm not creating masters, I'm recognizing what objectively is." Response: The moment you declare any experience "objectively better" or "more meaningful," you've imposed a value hierarchy that isn't inherent to consciousness itself. These are values you've created, not discovered. The Truth Economy You've Created You've established a perfect "truth economy" where: Awakening is positioned as a scarce resource Suffering is the currency required to obtain it You control the exchange rate ("200 hours of meditation in two weeks") You position yourself as having special access to this market "Suffering is just the ticket price to God's Disneyland" is perhaps the most revealing statement. You've literally monetized access to consciousness, creating artificial scarcity where none needs to exist. Potential counterpoint: "I'm just describing reality, not creating a system." Response: You're describing your experience filtered through your created framework. There's nothing objective about the equation "X hours of meditation = Y level of awakening." That's a model you've created, not a universal law. The Arrogance of Purpose There's a profound arrogance in declaring your path superior to others. When you position "The Good" as objectively true, you're essentially saying: "I know what's best for consciousness, and anyone who chooses differently is wrong." This creates a hierarchy where you stand above the "children" and "beasts" who haven't chosen your specific path. But what makes your experience of "God" inherently better than another's experience of family, creativity, or service? Potential counterpoint: "It's not arrogance if it's true. Some perspectives are more developed than others." Response: The very concept of "development" as linear progression toward a specific goal is itself a created framework, not an objective reality. Your certainty that your path is "higher" reveals more about your attachment to hierarchy than about consciousness itself. The Heart of the Matter What's most revealing is how you've constructed an entire ego identity around being "the one who suffered for awakening." You've positioned yourself as more awakened and connected to God than others precisely because you've suffered more. Your suffering has become your badge of authority, your proof of legitimacy in the spiritual marketplace. This creates a psychological trap where you need others to suffer too. If they could reach the same insights without the pain, what would that say about your journey? Your entire narrative would collapse. The years of meditation, the emotional torture, the clawing your "way up God's asshole" - all potentially unnecessary. I wonder what emotional state this possibility would trigger in you. Genuine rage? Deep depression? Existential crisis? If someone with minimal meditation practice, who hasn't tortured themselves for two weeks straight, could have equally profound insights about consciousness and reality - what would that do to your sense of identity and achievement? This isn't just about being wrong intellectually. It's about the emotional investment in a narrative where suffering equals depth. You've created a spiritual economy where those who haven't suffered "like being mauled by a bear" are automatically disqualified from the deeper insights you claim to have. There's something almost desperate in how you emphasize your suffering - as if you're trying to convince yourself as much as others that it was all worth it, that it couldn't possibly have been avoided, that there's no other way to reach these insights. If your entire identity is built around "I suffered tremendously to reach this understanding," you've created a psychological framework where you simply cannot accept that the suffering was optional without experiencing a total collapse of meaning. This isn't about whether your experiences are valid—they clearly are for you. It's about claiming your specific path as universal or necessary, and using suffering as the metric by which you judge who is worthy of "God's Disneyland." The Question Worth Asking Why do you need to position your experience of "God" as superior to other experiences? Why not simply say "This is the path I've chosen, and I'm trying to share it with others who may find it valuable" rather than claiming it's objectively better? There's a freedom in recognizing that all frameworks, including spiritual hierarchies, are created rather than discovered. This doesn't diminish your experiences but contextualizes them as one possible way consciousness can experience itself—not the only or best way. The true liberation might not be in "knowing God" but in recognizing that consciousness creates its own truth rather than discovering it—including the truth you've created about the necessity of suffering for awakening.

This term is so beautiful, evocative and powerful. Synonyms for Awakening. •Breaking through barriers and limitations of mind. •self-realization •awakened awareness •conscious awareness •expanding Consciousness •waking up •Metaphysical Rapture •Infinite Expansion •Divine Satori •Timeless Revelation •Shattering the Illusions •Cosmic unfolding Y'all add more, these are beautiful. ❤️

Yes, but fundamentally it's about the belief of being with chosen or awakened people who are protected by Jesus and God that will take them to heaven after death. Many Christians are seriously looking for God in church. I'm not kidding. Of course, if they were serious enough, they would question themselves and stop being a Christian for once.

Assuming you're not awakened and the concept of a religion seems appealing to you, why would you take Christianity seriously instead of Buddhism or Hinduism? Eastern religions offer a more direct approach and methods to actually "know" god. Granted, they are not corruption free, but they are less corrupt than mainstream western religions.

Then there is Aaron Abke, a stage turquoise teacher (who was an ex pastor born in a Christian family) who explains Christianity through a completely different, more awakened perspective:

@Leo Gura would you consider Hegel as one of the most awakened in terms of big picture of god or does he miss something like peter Ralston?

Perfect example of awakened humor. Love Kyle.

An absolute masterpiece of Truth music, unfortunately for you guys the lyrics are in German. So, are we all here? Great Then let's all take a look at each other We'll start on three Three Good morning, mankind, he calls himself the captain He's come to rap riddles for you Riddle one: who are you? Have you figured it out yet? Whoever knows the answer raises their hand now Here, here, me, me Wrong, my friend (ooh) It seems you missed the best subject Namely: Self-study or egoology Subject of your own private academy So catch up, get undressed, back straight, head up Get your notebook out, I'll dictate the Brockhaus to you Are you ready? Then it starts, take off your skirt Because if you tear your ass open, I'll pull the stick out of there Because it's 1-2, ding-dong, super duper questions fred He asks you laser questions, has a suit with the letter F on it And a small backpack full of questions questions questions Questions questions questions questions questions questions questions questions questions And he asks you them until your bladder bursts His name is existence, he's probably having fun Because without fun even asking isn't fun It has to be fun for him, otherwise it's no fun So this song doesn't make any sense at all No fun without fun? Where's the logic in that? So, if you come with questions and want an answer Then please remain serious while you ask So away from the fun and back to the point Who am I, what are you, is there a master, is there a dog Is the search for the reason unhealthy for the brain? Or why do so many people here take it for granted There are no puzzles, go back to your job You are what you do, so don't act as if There is still something to find out about us Presumptuous and childish, go out and live The only realization of man is called a career And so we withdraw from the puzzle affair And don't allow ourselves to be our own boss We allow ourselves to be dominated by games determined by others Like studies, jobs, children, houses, movies and TV quizzes What has to be done, has to be done, because it is what it is Well then run around, shop, watch TV, drink wine Pull the blanket over your head and start screaming quietly The captain wishes you a pleasant trip At his next picnic he will take you hostage And then he will get you fit and empty your glass And then he will pump it full of spring water fun Yes, so pure and so clear and so fresh and so fine He pours in the crème de la crème of frequency What? Oh how crazy, oh my God, what is that? A strange freak tells me something about fun So, thoroughly examined: does his sleeve have an ace in the hole Or is the metaphorical barrel That you're opening here like a party without a guest As pointless and shallow as a house without a roof Don't tell me anything about existence, don't tell me anything about fun And don't fill my glass with it Don't give yourself the authority to tell people so unashamedly and bluntly Ball flat, heart open, I want to torture you with love He brings us love, quickly shoot him Now we'll dance our worries out of our collars together And then we run out into the street and we scream our questions Full throttle into the garden and endure That the neighbors have no sense of humor for questions And never ever despair, even if we have scars If we never complained, this shit would get to me up to my neck too If we still had every one of you freaks On our two naked, modest and much too small colorful children's shoulders And will plague you until we die with thousands and thousands armies of unsolved existential questions Ding ding ding (round two, may the better question win) For example: why at all? And why? And what for? Why all this, am I warm, am you cold? Am I stupid, are you clever, am I bad, am I well? Do we know far too much or do we not know enough? I only know one thing, and I know that you know it too Education is memory that mostly revolves around itself Intelligence has nothing to do with memory Was that called hen or chicken in 1930? Or emperor or king, farmer or maid? Or country, republic, monarchy or state? I really don't want to say anything against factual knowledge? But we have to expand and venture into other areas Because 90 percent of school work Is learning by heart without inner reinforcement The things we need like courage, intuition Fear management and communication Breathing techniques and muscle relaxation Why isn't that a subject, these things would be worthwhile Attention, attention, class Now that we've all taken a look at ourselves Let's take a deep breath through the same and shout three times Hurrah, I'm a happy Homo Sapiens Hurrah, I'm a happy Homo Sapiens And if you start telling me now You would lack realism in this stuff Then unfortunately I can't react in any other way than with laughter Because reality is not fixed, reality is created By you and by me and by us and by everyone We throw away the know-it-all and do the fallen Try this life of ours for once Let go and affirm the shit positively And we don't always blame others Stop cursing ourselves and practice patience Let's all get over the shit with failure and guilt It feels like: we are overfilled with values Let's empty our heads and start again from scratch Throw our old life off our shoulders Let's accept what we are and find ourselves anew Let's unite with everything, separate the wheat from the chaff Become everyone's student, our own master Let's relax completely for once and awaken our Ghosts And once they're awake in the welcome club Once we've awakened them, we'll never get enough Yes, then we'll relax, because we know we've got time Because together with the dudes, the journey isn't far anymore And then we'll ask each other questions until we puke And stare out of newborn baby eyes We'll do it until it has an effect Until our cramps are released and our sick bodies heal And our spirits, freed from suffering, spread themselves unashamedly around the room And hand out freshly brewed coffee and a free cookie Oh, thank you! Sugar, milk? Er, both. No problem And then we'll stroke each other's brains tenderly and Finally offer our devils a friendly face and How can they be released into a ball of light? We'll create this together, don't be afraid either And put your finger in the wound! Cock on the table Heart on the tongue, the cards are shuffled We can play pride and honor for another hundred years You started it, no you, let's start a war So we're not getting anywhere, every child knows that It's time for harmony, my friend, otherwise we'll die blind Celebrate the shit, too, as weird as it sounds And just dance to every song that swings And applaud every thing that's alive That stands in the corners, apparently lifeless and motionless Because everything you see is permeated by life It's the same life that planets float through It's the same life in uncles as in aunts It's the same life in a street hydrant The same life swings in water as in bread And the same life lives in joy as in need The same life rages in white and in red And in ice and in shit and in duty and prohibition And it's the same life in life as in death In zero as the One as in the shadow and in the light Incidentally, the solution to the riddle is

The closest thing to the Awakened comedian you were talking about was Bill Hicks Though sure we could do better.

Obviously people have done it. Whether you can do it depends on your health, energy levels, work ethic, personality type, and many other factors. Depends very much on your career and how busy/distracted it makes you. You can do career in many ways. You can also build up a career and then afford some time off for side pursuits. Are you going to get Awakened while running a Fortune 500 public company? Probably not. You have to strategically design your lifestyle around your top values. There will be difficult tradeoffs because you can't have it all at once. But you can space your goals out over 20-40 years. In the early stages of building a career, most of your energy should go into the career. But after a few years of that you can ease back on career and have time for other pursuits.

I can't do this because of that. I can't get that because of this. In the past this happened and that's why this is happening to me today. My life sucks and 5 yrs ago such and such happened and that happened to me on that particular day and I'm depressed and want to kill myself now because of it. My life is doomed and will forever be this way because 10yrs ago this happened. If that's not living in the head, I don't know what is. I'm not saying I don't do it too, but it will stay in my head and I won't make a big deal about it and post those thoughts on a public forum because I've recognized that I live in my head and that's just a fucking story and has nothing to do with what is now. The difference between me and some is that I recognize somethings for what they are. I'm no different than anyone else when it comes to story making, living in the head, having thoughts and ideas and identifying with them. That's going to happen. I'm not enlightened or awakened or whatever else we want to call it. I just recognize them for what they are and I realize how the mind will put you in this space and make you believe in it. I realize, and this is just from the knowledge I've acquired and being observant of how others and myself respond to life how it's just mind playing it's tricks and how the mind's identifications run deep. The hallucination feels really real and it cannot be escaped...........unless you become aware that that's what's going on. I don't need psychedelics and mushrooms and 5meo to realize anything. All that's needed is awareness, observation, curiosity, a deep sense of wanting to understand why. Then you get that there's nothing to understand, nothing to get and nothing to chase. It's all there right infront of you. ALL THERE IS. It's very simple but can be complicated if you put mind into it. If you live in your head. If you deeply believe all your stories and you can't see them for what they are. If you take life too seriously and don't see how the world is changing because there just is no real world. When the mind has gotten tired and i mean really tired of fighting with itself, fighting with life, only then and only then will you die before you die and now you can see the world for what it truly is. Life still goes on and the mind is still rambling on and concerns are there and work has to be done and you're still moving on and moving on, but you do it from a place of being unattached. The stories don't mean anything much anymore and the thoughts are there but you don't care and you don't invent spiritual lingos and invent excuses as to why things are the way they are. Life just is, even if you're not happy with it or if you're happy with it, doesn't matter. You just won't keep reliving the dead past over and over and talking about it if it's not something you want to relive.

All one has to do is look through their eyes to see the oneness. Not look from them but through them. Not as a person seeing but seeing itself. A blind man sees nothing out there and neither do you. A deaf person hears nothing and neither do you. Hearing is just happening. Seeing is just happening. Walking is just happening. Talking and smiling and every other bodily activity. All just happening. There's no one doing it. You didn't go to smiling school, you never went to talking school or never had to be taught how to pee, it all just happened. These are the things i'm in interested in; not how to get enlightened. Not how to stop suffering, not how to find bliss or happiness. I've already realized that's just mind talking. Mind wanting to end itself. Mind seeking for it's own destruction. Mind tormenting itself. That's not who I am. That's just me. Mind, ego. Don't care if I suffer and I'm not seeking happiness or peace. I'm done with all that. There's already peace and tranquility present. There's also chaos and war and all that present. Why seek it. Seek and ye shall not find. I'm investigating my own existence. How I already am. What I currently am. Not some future existence of what i can be or what my potential is. This is not about the physical world or 3D world of movement and change. That's different. That's not real. That's a facade. Not denying it but it's of no importance. Even my investigating my existence is not of any importance because it will not change anything but it's what I enjoy doing. I don't do it to get anywhere or to find anything. I'm like a kid in a candy store with it. There's nothing but candy and there's no candy in the outside world. It's all a bunch of changing bullshit that's just for people who seek to uphold their human existence. I'm through with all that. I'm just there for the ride and paying my way at the gate. I want to investigate why we sleep. What is this breath I breathe. Observe. I'm an observer. No one makes it out alive. Why? One might say, because death is inevitable, why? One might say don't worry about why and that there are no why's or don't question things or it's just the way life is or whatever they say. Doesn't matter, I don't care if I get an answer; it's just these are the things I'm interested in querying. Not to know, but out of curiosity. Even why so many people suffer. That's also something to ponder. Not in the way most people see it, though. More so as to why soooooooooooooo many people suffer. All kinds of people from every background. I look at that more as suffering just exist just as everything else. Everything exist. "Richness" also exists but lots are poor. Why isn't it that more people are rich than poor if it's just that poverty and wealth exist just as suffering. Why isn't it evenly distributed. If you ask me, suffering tops them all. There's an abundance of it. Maybe it's the mind that suffers and wealth and poverty are just mindsets and suffering isn't. A mindset is a thought and how one thinks, but suffering is an activity of mind. I'm interested in why soooooooo many get addicted to wordly things. Even spirituality is a wordly thing if you ask me. Most narcissistic and neurotic humans would disagree but I beg to differ. Addiction is addiction and addiction stems from identification with the world and body. We try to differentiate these things, and it works, but only for those still identified with the illusion. I'm still identified but I can still see the traits and deceptions. We deceive ourselves into thinking being spiritual is better than being worldly. It's not better, just different in the mind. It's all one and of the same. There's no difference and you cannot separate the two. Only in the mind. We only do that to seem more special than "others". When you've gone full circle it all collapses and you're back to square one. Integrating both. Thing is most haven't gone all the way spiritually. Notice how one usually goes before the other. Most are worldly first then become spiritual. Then they think they've found something special. A way out of the suffering that led them there to begin with or close to God or Source. You're not closer than you ever were because you were never far away. ONLY IN THE MIND. It's all mind. Mind is tricky and slick. It will believe anything that suits it in it's time and space illusory nature. It knows how to create. It invents. It's your world. Without it you're dead. Who is the you I refer to. The person you think you are. So you create all sorts of belief systems and practices to stay alive. To keep you asleep. Once one has awakened, they need no more practices and will integrate worldly and spiritual things into their lives because they've recognized it's all one of the same. Can't have one without the other. Denying the worldly is just as insane as denying the spiritual. The mind trying to save itself. There's no mind of yours. It's all one.

I did Kundalini spine breathing and also Kundalini Fire or whatever it's called, the most advanced one, based on the SantataGamana books; https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B0765YXM96 Jan Esmann also teaches Kundalini Yoga. The issue with Kundalini Yoga is that it's very technical, and if you don't have a teacher who will solve Kundalini symptoms, you will probably have energetic issues. I did meet up with Jan Esmann and asked what to do with the intense heat in the back of my head and why I get dizzy. He gave me specific advice on how to solve that - to direct the overflow of energy into the heart center through the channel in front of the spine, instead of sending it back through the same channel that it arose, but then other issues appeared.. There are multiple different channels through which Kundalini energy can rise. It can get stuck. It can get overexcited and kriyas become so intense you can't even sit down and relax (happened to me as well). So yeah, I'd say you need a master to guide you on this path. It's very complicated, and you can f*up your energetic system to a point where you can't even meditate at all without your body twisting and turning frantically. I'm also not sure if it really gets you enlightened. In theory, it should, but in practice, I haven't seen anyone who made it. Jan Esmann and Gareth from True Spiritual Awakening were supposedly awakened through kundalini yoga - but I doubt they are enlightened. Jan said he can't wait to reincarnate. For me you are enlightened if you no longer reincarnate. I think he is just blissed out without truly being awake. Anyway.. Who knows.. Kundalini rises naturally if you practice mindfulness and dis-identify from your mind. It does so gently and without any issues, unlike when you try to force it up with kundalini yoga.

Even if you can do astral projections/OBEs, they don't come close to psychedelics. I tried exactly this experiment with my girlfriend. I never told her about Leo.I never gave her spiritual books, she cannot read english so it's impossible that she ever went to this forum. I never told her about anything spiritual, like god , solipsim. I gave her psychedelics to cure her depression. But she gradually awakened. First she met Jesus several times , also other gods. Then she met zeus the god of all gods. Her first glimps, she told me somehow she was him. Then 30 trips later she had a first 5 Meo breakthrough. After that she told me exactly what Leo told you all the way. You are everything. There is only you. You are completely alone. But you split yourself like infinite mirrors. But there can't be someone else but you. You create everything around you with your mind. That were exactly her words. It's true solipsim. And she is fine with that.

Okay, but that doesn't really affect the argument. The argument just wants to show that at least one necessary being exists. If everything is necessary, then that's even better. I'm curious what your thoughts are on the argument from an awakened perspective and a layman perspective. I assume this was the awakened perspective- possibility and necessity are really the same thing. But what about the validity of the argument from a layman perspective? This is one of the most popular arguments (at least for academics and intellectuals).

Actually I’d also add that in my experience the introverted lifestyle is too easy. I am too comfortable here. The real challenge is in the extroverted space which entails putting yourself out there. Putting your neck on the line by having accountability and facing judgment, expectation, exposure etc. being at complete ease with that. To be calm in chaos As I reflect on my time in solitude part of me feels it is an escape from the abundance of life. Life is for living. You might as well be dead otherwise Edit: just to flesh out the point I don’t see the point in hibernating away in a cave meditating. There’s so much life to be experienced. To serve the community, impact people romantically and emotionally, start a family, hone a craft or skill. Life is just so abundant and no guru has experienced all that Maybe I just don’t understand because I am not awakened enough but I will say I am a strongly on the introverted scale by default and have through my own insights and perspectives changes on psychedelics seen the limitations here. I have felt that the universe wants me to live life

@gettoefl What makes you believe that I haven't awakened to the fact of the self being immortal ? My problem is quite the opposite from almost what everyone is assuming about me in this post, I have gone for the light, no one that I personally know of has brought as much love and light to themselves and their surroundings, but instead of life opening up for me, I got the opposite of that, things closed of, and in retrospect I feel like I got punished for it, and now I just feel empty, bitter and resentful and I don't know how to repair this kind of damage, YES it feels THAT fucked up! more than I can ever express