How real are spiritual helpers, entities, chakras, etc.?

[Geki]

A few years ago I had my first contacts with psychedelics after watching Leo's videos for years. Especially the God realization videos caught me and I felt the urge to experience it myself. Watching the God realization video back then I really thought I got it, until I've had 5-MeO-DMT...

Luckily I had a full awakening and God realization the first time taking it. Pretty much exactly as Leo describes it. I remember how I watched his videos again and laughed about myself how far I was off before my awakening.

After that experience I thought everyone would have the same awakening after taking 5-MeO-DMT but I noticed it was not the case at all. So I couldn't talk to many people about it since. After that I also had a totally different view on all the spiritual helpers, DMT entities, chakras, angles, daemons and so on. For me that's all just a figment of god and I stopped caring about those. But since then I also struggle making sense of  - let's say 'the dimension of realities'. Are entities/angles/chakras as (un)real as our world and do they just exist in another dimension? Or is our world the only dimension and those things are just a distraction of the ego to not awaken?

Especially when people never had an awakening but have seen a lot of things with Ayahuasca, they are talking about energy and entities as if they were real. I must say I haven't had those experiences, so maybe that's why I can't 'believe' in it.
So, the stupid question that's stuck in my mind is: Should I better believe and work with chakras, spiritual helpers, etc. since it's within the dream or reject all of it like a scientist and say that's all hallucination and bullshit? - To name the two extremes...

[Salvijus]

Yes

[UnbornTao]

As entertaining as they might be, they are ultimately misleading. At their core, they amount to hoopla and fantasy, based primarily on hearsay. What are they when those aspects are set aside? They are abstract, subjective inventions. Viewed symbolically, or as ways to direct the mind, they might help cultivate a positive or life-enhancing mental state - but neither these things nor the drugs lead to awakening.

A more powerful direction, in my view, is setting out to uncover one's own beliefs, with the aim of experiencing the truth, at any level.

Edited yesterday at 05:01 PM by UnbornTao

[Carl-Richard]

10 hours ago, Geki said:

Are entities/angles/chakras as (un)real as our world and do they just exist in another dimension?

What stops this from being true? But also, what is the evidence?

 

Edited yesterday at 03:38 AM by Carl-Richard

[Salariatu]

Look, the deeper you go into the rabbit hole, the better a system you need. So yeah, some systems about charkas and entities are real, because they are backed up by the spirit of the dead, to help you with consciousness, because you where used to identify yourself with the collective ego or the social construct. 

[emil1234]

wut. chakras er definetely real, very tangibly 

[theleelajoker]

1 hour ago, emil1234 said:

wut. chakras er definetely real, very tangibly 

There was a discussion some months ago in another thread. 

I linked a video of a Buddhist monk researching the original sources and saying that's the texts say that chakras are to be seen symbolic. Nadis are "real" in contrast, chakras symbolic.  I think the argument for chakras was that imagining them helps to focus on particular stuff in meditation.

He continues to elaborate that if you imagine them to be real, then they become tangible for you. Like a placebo.

So he concludes it's not about "true" or "false" with chakras, but "useful" or "not useful". Not only re chakras, but with a lot of stuff.

[Geki]

20 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

As entertaining as they might be, they are ultimately misleading.

That's exactly how I feel about it. Mainly because I saw so many people believing in different things without getting anywhere. It's like religions.

 

@theleelajoker

That's what I can relate to a bit more. To see it as a symbolic help, like a talisman - a personally created imagination that helps people to overcome fears or lets them feel happier.

11 hours ago, Salariatu said:

... because they are backed up by the spirit of the dead, ...

That's exactly what I mean. You for example use 'the spirit of the dead' as if they were a real thing. Real in what sense? But it made me contemplating about my question and I think I need rephrase it a little bit:

Do different states of consciousness exist (like layers), where entities, chakras, nadis, angles and spirits actually exist and are tangible? Because then it could be a pursuable goal to experience them. Like traveling. 

[Hojo]

I can only attest to chakras and they are real. Your body dosent have any feeling your chakras are feeling and they aren't in your body they are in a different dimension. The entirity of light is dead.

Edited yesterday at 09:17 PM by Hojo

[Meeksauce]

On 9/5/2025 at 0:06 PM, Geki said:

A few years ago I had my first contacts with psychedelics after watching Leo's videos for years. Especially the God realization videos caught me and I felt the urge to experience it myself. Watching the God realization video back then I really thought I got it, until I've had 5-MeO-DMT...

Luckily I had a full awakening and God realization the first time taking it. Pretty much exactly as Leo describes it. I remember how I watched his videos again and laughed about myself how far I was off before my awakening.

After that experience I thought everyone would have the same awakening after taking 5-MeO-DMT but I noticed it was not the case at all. So I couldn't talk to many people about it since. After that I also had a totally different view on all the spiritual helpers, DMT entities, chakras, angles, daemons and so on. For me that's all just a figment of god and I stopped caring about those. But since then I also struggle making sense of  - let's say 'the dimension of realities'. Are entities/angles/chakras as (un)real as our world and do they just exist in another dimension? Or is our world the only dimension and those things are just a distraction of the ego to not awaken?

Especially when people never had an awakening but have seen a lot of things with Ayahuasca, they are talking about energy and entities as if they were real. I must say I haven't had those experiences, so maybe that's why I can't 'believe' in it.
So, the stupid question that's stuck in my mind is: Should I better believe and work with chakras, spiritual helpers, etc. since it's within the dream or reject all of it like a scientist and say that's all hallucination and bullshit? - To name the two extremes...

I have a lot of experience with nn-dmt and I understand what the aliens are. It's still a projection of your own mind, but it's sent by God as a way to communicate with you at a higher intelligence level. Both things can be true. You should absolutely listen to them because they impart valuable wisdom and information.

Hope this answered the question.

[Jowblob]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

I can only attest to chakras and they are real. Your body dosent have any feeling your chakras are feeling and they aren't in your body they are in a different dimension. The entirity of light is dead.

This , the location of chakra is a symbol in what part of the body or consciousness it governs. For example the unitative aspects where you start feeling others locates at svadhisthana and all the feelings will arise there. God is infinite intelligence, so that's why reality is so structured. As this intelligence governs consciousness itself, human mind cant comprehend the human body machine.

Entities are real in one sense and not real in another, when ego mind isnt controlled and let loose it might create entities and reality that will feel very real.

But when this isn't the case, the only thing that will interact with you is a higher unitative aspect of yourself or 'god'. There are no bad entities in unitative aspect as they have the knowingness/abundance and understanding what is a right action , only in seperation, limitedness and forgetfullness  , bad things occur and god isn't the creator of that.

Edited 22 hours ago by Jowblob

[Salariatu]

7 hours ago, Geki said:

That's exactly what I mean. You for example use 'the spirit of the dead' as if they were a real thing. Real in what sense? But it made me contemplating about my question and I think I need rephrase it a little bit:

Do different states of consciousness exist (like layers), where entities, chakras, nadis, angles and spirits actually exist and are tangible? Because then it could be a pursuable goal to experience them. Like traveling. 

Look, humanity has the idea that the being is made mainly by 3 parts in a mythological sense, the classical sense, body, soul and spirit. In reality are only 2 parts, body and spirit. 

So, the instinct or the subconscius is directly interlinked with the spirit, the spirit in reality is what we callthe higher self.

There are 2 realities in this world, the ego consciusness point of view wich we call the matrix and the truth that goes beyond.

What goes beyond the matrix you encounter the subconscious and the spirit world. 

In society we have different systems to go beyond the matrix, but the majority are flaws. 

There are entities that an linked to spirit and nature and the matrix will always make copies of everything and push that agenda unto individuals. 

 

So to achieve the state of consciousness beyond the matrix is all about nature and instinct. Regaining naturality and you will encounter what is beyond the matrix. And take it this way, what are called angels in society has to do with the matrix. What we call demons in society has to do with nature and what is beyond. 

Society has demonized nature in reality. So what society believes is good is actually bad. Per example, believing that God is ''a mind'' or ''a consciousness'' is just the lie of the matrix. 

And the spirits of the dead are a real thing. Ever wonder why spiritual gurus use photos of enlightened masters of the past while they give advice in groups of people?

Edited 18 hours ago by Salariatu

[emil1234]

17 hours ago, theleelajoker said:

There was a discussion some months ago in another thread. 

I linked a video of a Buddhist monk researching the original sources and saying that's the texts say that chakras are to be seen symbolic. Nadis are "real" in contrast, chakras symbolic.  I think the argument for chakras was that imagining them helps to focus on particular stuff in meditation.

He continues to elaborate that if you imagine them to be real, then they become tangible for you. Like a placebo.

So he concludes it's not about "true" or "false" with chakras, but "useful" or "not useful". Not only re chakras, but with a lot of stuff.

i completely reject this. i had chakra openings through drinking cacao (which is chakra stimulating), before i even knew chakras existed nor that cacao had chakra stimulating effects

[Salariatu]

The chakra system is a system of being. As anything else, a system on how to be, it is meditation focus, spirituality focus etc. 

It does not exist in nature, but that does no mean that is something bad.

 

Per example i use The Satanic Bible system of angles/chakras and the 4 elements. 

When you escape the matrix of society you need a system, because escaping implies doing things differently. You can't go ahead with your old mind, you simply need a new system. 

The majority who are with science and meditation, they are trapped in christian and spiritual systems without knowing it. The rejection of chakras is the same as the rejection of greek philosophy, is just an example. 

[Jowblob]

When others say "chakra system" doesn't exist, essentially what they're saying is : Universe controls us/everything is random/imaginary, but the truth is. We control the universe/consciousness. 

[Salariatu]

1 hour ago, Jowblob said:

When others say "chakra system" doesn't exist, essentially what they're saying is : Universe controls us/everything is random/imaginary, but the truth is. We control the universe/consciousness. 

You identified with the social construct, the egoic consciousness in society, being the reason you think you control the universe. 

[Jowblob]

Just now, Salariatu said:

You identified with the social construct, the egoic consciousness in society, being the reason you think you control the universe. 

I am God in a human body. I have enough control that you won't even comprehend what is possible. Ones your solar plexus activates you won't be a victim like you're now.

[Salariatu]

1 hour ago, Jowblob said:

I am God in a human body. I have enough control that you won't even comprehend what is possible. Ones your solar plexus activates you won't be a victim like you're now.

Why you judge without knowing me? check my profile first, meditate, and after start judging. On my response i only exposed the thuth, nothing much. 

Take care

[Jowblob]

8 minutes ago, Salariatu said:

Why you judge without knowing me? check my profile first, meditate, and after start judging. On my response i only exposed the thuth, nothing much. 

Take care

I'm not judging you son, and you didn't expose anything. I'm just pushing you all into the right direction, we control the universe and it isn't the universe that controls us.

[Salariatu]

1 hour ago, Jowblob said:

I'm not judging you son, and you didn't expose anything. I'm just pushing you all into the right direction, we control the universe and it isn't the universe that controls us.

Look, you are writing to an Enlightened, i should call you son. I don't need what you are offering.