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Yeah it seems like it lines up from reading that thread. So with the void experience, I felt a zooming out until size and dimension became meaningless, but I still had them as a point of reference. I know what zooming out is for example, I know what a void is, and I can describe it to you. With the white light experience, I can describe it somewhat. I can say the area around me turned a cloudy white, I can tell you I became the reality for a time, that you don't go anywhere to experience it. I can tell you that no sense we have of love currently is close to it, unconditional love is where you become everything, and no word needs to come before love. Its love, no conditions, no process, nothing in the way, just love. With the sorrow experience, I can tell you it was like vast ocean that scared me to touch, like I dipped my finger in it, and it was an overwhelming sensation. I realized all emotions are infinite because we are infinite. So I can get close to an explanation of all of these using references on this earth you can understand in language. if I was trying to describe alien to you, I couldn't give you a descriptor or a word from our language. At least that's how I picture it. The unknowable as they used to call it. The known, the unknown, and the unknowable.

Well, your explanation is more in line with what he does mean by alien 👽 I thought he was referring to actual Aliens. I missed the part where he says it isn't related to aliens and was going under this assumption for awhile,

Thanks I'll take a look. My preprogramming to alien means, something not of this earth or my experience. So something that I haven't experienced before (which would be all awakenings) but in a manner I can't comprehend or recognize either from existing experiences. So no zooming out. No white light. No emotional swell from within etc. These are things that are not alien to me. I can describe them, I have sensed them before in different ways.

Over there in the Cardozzo/Ralston thread "final awakening", I just brought that up. I told him a lot of us misunderstood the term Alien and it's not just me @Leo Gurasee, another one. It's not just me. I think most.

Do you intend your "Alien Mind" course to help bridge that understanding gap? When I hear you say it I feel like I understand. No amount of enlightenment or self-inquiry could give me the consciousness of an octopus, and that same logic applies to an Alien. Of course I know you mean something far deeper than this. If I want to start to understand Alien Consciousness in the meanwhile, where would I begin?

You can easily imagine the difference between the consciousness of an ant vs a human. Now imagine a similar order of magnitude leap beyond the human. This would take you into the Alien.

Can you define Alien in layman's terms leo, to help remove any pre-programming I have in the way of better understanding it? I've done infinite void, infinite love, and touched infinite sorrow. I can set the intent to experience it at some point but it'd be easier if I knew what I was asking/intending to see

I would imagine alien conciousness would be like going from 3D to 4D or smth.

The alien word is a way to describe something completely out of the world to a human. Like the concept of honesty to women.

Alien Consciousness does not contradict nonduality. It's just a step beyond it.

Non-Duality x Ralstonians x Alien Consciousness Make your bet

Alien is most accurate. I don't know. Depends on my health which is out of my control. That's what I have always said. I told you I am not talking about meeting aliens. If I was talking about meeting aliens, I would say: "I met some aliens."

Ah, „that“ ocean. And who or what is „the“ ocean again? Who or what is perceiving all its endless islands again? „Who“ is the alien again?

Do you realize that this right here will clarify to a lot what you mean by Alien Consciousness. I'm sure a lot of us, including myself, thought you were referring to actual Aliens when you speak about Alien consciousness or awakening. From what you've written here what you're referring to is a new state of consciousness, a different awakening than you've experienced before; so different, it seems alien, alienated from the rest, like mind-blowing. Previously I thought you meant actual Aliens.

I think people find the word "alien" distracting and it makes them think of Paul. Wouldn't "non-human" consciousness be more accurate?

You cannot access alien mind right now because you take a break from psychedelics became of health reasons. I just hope you don't forget how to access this state until your alien mind course comes out. The mind forgets fast... especially unusual states of consciousness .

1) Not as a stable permanent state. 2) It's not about brain at that point, it's about consciousness and jailbreaking the human mind. The human mind is a very narrow thing, even after enlightenment. It is still locked into a human mode of operation. 3) Don't forget, you're not actually human. You are Consciousness cosplaying as human. So you can in fact transcend all human limits, at least for a while. Discovering Alien Consciousness is about unlocking the human mind so deeply that you transcend being human. 4) Consciousness does not have a human brain. It is imagining a human brain.

Because it is alien relative to human consciousness. The reason you call aliens alien is because they are so strange and different from humans. There exists consciousness which is totally trans-human, this includes trans-spiritual-human. All of human spirituality is a very small island of consciousness within a vast ocean. Alien Consciousness is another island within that ocean. It feels very alien, so that's why I call it that. Whether some aliens in our universe actually have such consciousness is irrelevant.

It's not higher per se, but harder to reach because Love is pretty obvious and lots of people talk of it, but no one has a clue that Alien Consciousness is a thing. It also deepens one's understanding of what Love is, as you can discover entirely new categories of Alien Love.

Ok but why is it called alien consciousness then? How would you know it’s that

And Ralston still has yet to awaken to Love. And beyond Love, Alien Love.

As I have said, enlightened people are bullshitting themselves. They are not even close to maximimizing their Consciousness. Alien Consciousness is beyond anything any enlightened human understands. And it cannot be reached through self-inquiry, contemplation, or meditation. No one understands what I am talking about.

He finally discovered Alien Consciousness!!

Hey! This is my first trip with Ketamine, to be precise the legal version of Ketamine (here in europe): 2FDCK. I have just one experience with dissociatives, precisely DXM, and you can find the report in my profile. This Keta experience, which is my first ever, was.... literally ALIENATING. But not a bad trip. It was utterly fascinating, DEEPLY MYSTERIOUS and deeply mesmerizing. It actually left me with MORE QUESTIONS than before. -- Technical data -- Empty stomach since 5 hours Night-time trip, around 3:00 AM 2 hours beforehand I assumed 500 ml of grape juice - the fruit's enzymes act as a slow-down for dissociatives, letting you have a longer high state I meditated 45 minutes before the session I did 15 mins of self inquiry just after meditation Dosage: 75 mg of 2FDCK >>> Plugged rectally (following all @Leo Gura 's tips for plugging) ---- THE EXPERIENCE ---- >> The quick start 5 minutes after the plugging, my body started to feel sleepy very fast, and I sat on the carpet of my bathroom with a nice lamp lighting to keep me calm. The first 2-3 minutes were still very "normal", I was still my old self, with still a very strong feeling of being "in control". Then.... after just 5 minutes.... IT PUNCHED me so hard!!!! BOOOOM!!! I had switched from a consciousness state of "it's ok, I'm still me, it's still same old reality" to "what?!? where am I? what is this existance? why?? why is this even real? why am I here?!?" It happened without even a transitioning! I literally switched from being "self-conscious" as always, to BEING without a concept of my self or a concept of "my reality". It's so weird, I can't describe it. It's not describable! >> The mystery movie I remember I was looking at the bathroom tiles and the bathrobe and they felt so ALIEN. These objects are my ordinary life objects, and they are so dumb and unnoticeable in my normal life... yet they were so mesmerizing and MYSTERIOUS! Oh god, the mystery!!! The bathrobe had these spirals (which it has in real life too), but... during the trip these spirals were so MYSTICAL and so UNEXPLAINABLE!!! It was like looking at an alien artifact, or a south american ancient artifact. By the way... 2F-K has no visuals, no sensory effects... it shows you reality as you perceive it daily, but what changes is the state of consciousness and the levels of ego. My ego was reduced A LOT, to about 30% of it. And my state of consciousness was of TOTAL MYSTERY, THRILLER-FEELING, like in a noir or psychological crime movie. It was deeply fascinating but slightly scary at the same time. My ears had this constant ringing, which was pretty loud, like some kind of static noise in my head. My mood was almost non-existant. I was very neutral, yet at the same time I was really puzzled and dumbstruck by the deep mystery of existing and witnessing reality. >> The insanity of existing (peak state) Since the assumption of the chemical, I never looked at the time, until the start of the comedown. Time was really slow... slow... slow... For some brief instances it looked like I was stuck in this eternity FOREVER, in that moment forever... and it scared me as hell. Then the absolute peak happened: I was 90% dissociated from my body and from my thoughts. My body was working all alone, without Billiesimon participating. My thoughts were passing by like clouds, and I didn't even notice them. For some brief minutes I WAS PURE WATCHING. I WAS PURE WATCHING. I WAS PURE WATCHING. I SEE. I AM THE ONE THAT SEES. I JUST SEE. I HAVE NO MIND. I CAN ONLY WATCH. This body is not even mine. These thougths are just random noise, what the hell?! This place... what is this place? What is reality? Why the hell do I exist? I am pure seeing, I am pure watching... why? This place... this house... this situation... this everything... WHY?!? NOTHING HAS A MEANING!!!! IT HAS NO MEANING!!! IT'S JUST SOME ALIEN PERCEPTION!! EVERYTHING IS AN ALIEN PERCEPTION WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME!!!! And I don't even know what "me" means. >> Ego kicked back a little . The need for security At some point I believe my EGO kicked in.... and I felt the need to brace my legs and body, like a child who's scared... I grabbed my phone, while my hands felt like random meat and bones, and NOT my body. I sent some messages to my friend. He was asleep. I found comfort in sending the messages, it felt a little bit more like reality was still the same old. I could barely talk, my instinct was telling me that talking made no sense, that my state of being should be enough to communicate with others. Why should I use words? Can't I communicate just by being? The use of words feels so alien and so weird.... I managed to send three short audio messages, with very few words like "nothing has meaning" or "reality is so alien to me", in a very calm, sloooooow and very neutral voice, almost like a ghost voice. >> The Source calls me I reverted back to keep meditating on the present moment, I realized that my ego was in the way of my true objective: finding the ego death. After some contemplation of the bathroom tiles and the flowers depicted... I felt this Void calling me... I understood that if I continued focusing on the present and meditating... I could have reached a state of basic ego death, some kind of void state. I could tell it was the case, because the more I was meditating , the more I felt like I was completely losing EVERYTHING. Time, space, identity, concepts of life, everything was melting away and I WAS BECOMING A CAMERA. The more I meditated the more I was becoming a NEUTRAL CAMERA, STARING AT THE WORLD. The call from the Source became loud (as it happened in my DXM trip) and then the entrance to the Void was offered to me. Even this time I refused... again.... As I approached the Void in my state of presence, an explosion of FEAR AND TERROR rushed into me, and my ego screamed at me to stop immediately. The terror was so strong that I started to mentally say "no no no no!!! not this time! I'm not ready!!! I might die!!" Again... Source closed off the entrance to the Void and I was left alone with my ego, feeling safe, feeling "as my old self", feeling somehow angry for not accepting the call. But it was so massive... the entrance was so massive... I never entered the void, but... JUST THE ENTRANCE WAS SO MASSIVE..... I couldn't stand it. I WANT to enter it, but I was not ready this time. I was not ready. At the end, as my ego regained power, my body had some nausea, some pain in the stomach, and some small bursts of terror, as my reality was coming back to normal. At the end, I regained peace and a very pleasant feeling of sleepiness. I went to bed. I was not ready. Just the entrance alone was so immense and scary... oh god. But I SWEAR I WILL ENTER!

Yes, but you know Leo, every human is stupid and women are emotional and the world is not up to his alien standards and he's the best at everything.....lmao. Seriously though, different strokes for different folks and I do agree to make your partner feel good about their body either way.