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It's a harmless belief. When the moment of truth comes I will adjust my position accordingly. One good argument why it's not an alien spaceship is that, if it was, we'd already be sending nukes to it, lmao.

I agree. A good way to look at it is container (structure, construct) vs consciousness. Religions and government structures (democracy vs monarchy) are containers - that the peoples conciousness within them is distinct from. Although there is a relationship between the two also. So it’s not about the doctrine alone but about the development of those engaging with it. Some containers are perhaps better than others at elevating our conciousness - because some containers have more trappings than others. This is why non-duality and actualized (Leo’s body of work) is better at elevating conciousness - it just has way less trappings than religion does. For example in Islam the idea of jihad (struggle) or in Judaism - the chosen people. Both of these can be approached form a lower or higher place. A lower conciousness turns jihad into ISIS and the notion of chosen people into candy for the ego. A higher conciousness turns jihad into struggle against ego/impulses and chosen people into a burden or responsibility to embody good virtues. These trappings are higher risk than a neutralised scientific approach to spirituality which has less baggage, words or ideas that can be conflated or confused. Osho actually did this and said it was his intention - he spoke from a higher place on all the world religions. He drew in people of all walks by doing this, and then he went onto the next step and said to even drop those containers (religions) and approach spirituality without them ie more scientifically. But like I said to breakingthewall - there is a place for both the scientific approach to spirituality, and the art of spirituality which is more colourful and localised to where people are from. We don’t necessarily have to drop our identity - otherwise how do we culturally “belong” with everyone around us without feeling alien. We need to synthesise the two approaches and view the scientific approach like a formal universal language and the artful approach like a local cultural language. In other words transcend the container but live within it - the same way we’re told to be in the world but not of it.

If Alien Minds are true then why the NASA is not talking about them?

Maybe old-school Disney. Modern Disney is full of woke ideology and shits out stuff like Tron and Alien Earth. Corrupt money grubbing leads to the endless turd factory of their latest catalogue.

So, I recently watched Leo's video about not knowing, and done the exercises in the video. I experienced the state of not-knowing very deeply to the point where I was looking at the tree and I could see my mind putting labels, giving explanations what that object is. But past all the labels and all the mind clutter, the tree appeared so mysterious sow weird, I would call it even alien, I couldn't grasp what the fuck is this thing. Actually it kind of scared me a bit because I felt that things getting bit unstable. I felt I Can go even deeper but sometimes I Think I might go crazy haha and I wasn't even using any psychedelic, completely sober. I'm not great at articulating exactly what I experienced but I guess that makes sense that explanation. I keen to explore deeper, but sometimes fear holds me back I don't understand where it comes from. Anyways, I've noticed that my mind jumped back into it's regular mode, but there's something different in my background of consciousness, like if I look at the object or something, or a thought, anything basically, I could look past my minds clutter into what actually is, it's there I don't engage in it necessarily if that makes sense. Of course I there's more to it I guess, but that's what I experienced and I wanted to share. a

If my car got stolen, it's likely that it was stolen by a human. But I can't know that it wasn't stolen by an alien, before I gather some more conclusive or confirming or disconfirming evidence.

You would automatically give all credit to the aliens when you lack the ability to come up with a hypothesis. Alien of the gaps.

I dont think we usually have a well thought out epistemic process when it comes to approaching and evaluating these things. But I can tell you one specific instance where I would definitely favour the alien hypothesis over the other one. So when it comes to the Jesus resurrection hypothesis, and him healing people and walking on water and other stuff like that (lets just take those to be facts for the sake of the argument), the alien hypothesis is actually better than Jesus being God. The alien hypothesis is better because you dont need to inflate your ontology with things that are outside of time and space. So if you have a set of things that needs to be explained and one explanation can explain the data without needing to propose new layers of ontology, then you should go with that one over the other (if all else is equal). ---------------- I think we usually lack the epistemic tools so much that we really arent equipped to categorize things in a precise way. I think John Vervaeke is right that some of the imported frameworks we are working with are making it harder or sometimes impossible - so for instance, the subjective-objective divide really breakes down when it comes to categorizing certain entities and issues, and you need to construct new categories to deal with those problems (and sometimes you need a new metaphysical frame for that). And it doesnt help that scientist usually just unconsiously import modern philosophy . Some ways of thinking are so ingrained in us from culture, that you need to spend years to just gain the ability to reflect on those things, because they are completely invisible and they seem axiomatic and necessary - @Carl-Richard's crypto materialism thread just confirms this. Just because you are team Idealism, that doesnt mean that you managed to overcome those ways of thinking. If you cant explicate what epistemic process you go through when it comes to categorizing these things, that should be a good hint that you are doing it in an unconscious manner - and this applies both to scientist and to woo people.

@Bashar its funny btw that you think you are saying something new or something that wouldn't fit in my "worldview". I personally followed dudes in the past who planned mediation retreats in Egypt for spiritual reasons (and these dude werent originally from Egypt). The idea was that you meditate inside the pyramids at a certain time (the time was planned astrologically), and you can have mystical experiences there ( or at least thats what a bunch of people reported who went there) The background narrative is that the Pyramids were built for spiritual reasons , so that you can mediate there and recharge your energies and your aura. They also believed that Thoth was an alien and that the emerald tablets actually described valid things. Just as how this typically works, the dudes were hardcore into conspiracy theories (constellation of beliefs, you can predict most of their views and beliefs on almost anything), but the reports about the retreat were positive and many people who attended reported mystical experiences. I know a lot of random shit like this (including channelers like Bashar and other shit like that), its just that my epistemic process is again not to default to the alien hypothesis ( when I dont necessarily have a good alternative hypothesis in mind). You should be much more rigorous and you should study the alternative hypotheses, or just sit with not-knowing. For the inference gap to be properly filled for the alien hypothesis you will need to do much more work than just "you dont have a good alternative, therefore aliens". Like do you have any independent evidence that the blocks were actually moved by sound or that those aliens were actually on land (without appealing to Bashar or to the Law of One) ?

Ancient alien egyptologists run into the problem of post-hoc multiple comparisons: the probability of finding a significant result is severely inflated when you throw a million spaghettis at the wall and try to see which ones stick. This tends to be adjusted for in scientific studies that use inferential statistics (e.g. Bonferroni correction). That said, if aliens exist, and if the human brain has been basically the same for the last 200k years (and we achieved meta-cognition 30-75k years ago), that's a lot of potential. I think it's plausible that we could've been advanced at least one time before the last Ice Age, but I think the evidence is not conclusive.

@Ishanga any news about his alien energy encounter on the Lake Manasarovar, Tibet near Mount Kailash?

Bashar here. It's actually just an unusual comet. Not aliens. But it does have alien sensors attached to it for study.

I agree. But the steel man of atheism is that atheism in theory is similar to Pyrrhonism. A Pyrrhonians whole philosophy is to suspend judgement. I remain unconvinced of Alien Awakening and paranormal. Does that mean I believe Alien Awakening and paranormal doesn’t exist? No. It just means I will suspend judgment until I have verified it for myself. It is a logical position to suspend judgment and be skeptical about things I have never experienced. If you choose to make a video about atheism, you will want to address this objection. Every atheist I talk to doesn’t want to admit that they are in a paradigm. An atheist thinks it is a form of skepticism but it’s a biased form of skepticism. Edit: Also many atheists will disagree that it’s a worldview because atheism is about just one thing only: A suspension of belief about God. It’s one position on the issue. Of course, for many “atheists” this is wrong because their atheism exists inside of other paradigms such as materialism, naturalism, evidentialism, etc.

Little back story about me and how I even got to Actualized.org. When I was 3 years old, the USA bombarded my city, so I grew up in a post-war era. Because of this, I spent a lot of time in my village that was so far off the civilization (ironically a place called Devil's Town, a place that almost got nominated for the 7 wonders of the world). Not really sure if that's what got me into the spirituality, or the fact that I spent a lot of time in nature in the middle of nowhere (no TV, no technology, no mobile signal, not even street lighting). In such a place, the only thing a 5 years old kid could do is play with wolves, snakes, and think about the nature of existence. The more I reflected on life and death, the more I started to grasp the concept of infinity (see book on Leo's booklist called "Collision with the Infinite"). I kept thinking about the fact that I will die one day, and kept asking one and the same question. What if NOTHING will ever happen again. No more watching beautiful sunrise and sunsets, no more playing with animals, no more playing Yugioh cards, no more playing with other kids, no more listening to music, no more breathing fresh air. Not in one hundred years, not in a billion years, but NEVER AGAIN. There will be nothing, complete darkness and emptiness FOREVER. This was my collision with the infinite, and I didn't even know it yet. Moving fast forward 15 years into the future. I met some random guy on a birthday party who, for the first time, introduced me to the mushrooms, and told me about his experience on 5 grams. Up until this day, this guy has no clue how much he has changed the directory of my life. His story intrigued me so much that I decided to take 5 grams of Golden Preacher. When mushrooms started kicking in, I thought they're poisoned, and I was dying. That was the day when I died and faced my biggest fear, NOTHINGNESS. I ended up in a black abyss of emptiness, and I stayed there for millions of years (despite that trip lasted only 4 hours). That experience was so traumatizing, and it left a huge scar on me. But then something strange happened, something that pretty much brought me to Actualized.org channel. While I was in that black abyss, I got hit by this feeling that this is not the first time I've been here. I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE! As if the dejavu happened to me, that place was suddenly very familiar. And then this thought hit me: "Nothing exists because you haven't created anything yet". Ironically, the Bible's opening line is "in the beginning was the word". And at that moment a light flashed out of nowhere, I felt the sensation of breathing, and the mushroom trip stopped. I finally came back to planet earth, but I thought to myself, these mushrooms are definitely not from this planet, this is some crazy alien shit (and I still believe that). Now, we get to the point where everything goes full circle (there's a good quote on this later on). I told my best friend what happened, and he got intrigued just as I was when I first met that guy at the birthday party. Soon we both started experimenting with mushrooms, until one day my friend took a DMT. None of us knew what DMT was at that time. His trip was so bad, so much that he experienced a complete mental breakdown, and ended up in a psychiatric hospital. It probably took him a year to stabilize. They're feeding him with these pills that literally block the dopamine receptors, and let me tell you, my best friend was like a zombie, a dead body without a will to even get out of the bed in the morning. That's some serious shit. Years went by where I avoided psychedelics because of this. However, I know that I'm on a heroes journey, I want to become a God, I want to know the Truth, and it keeps calling me 24/7. I really want to think that there is no such thing as "destiny", but I keep getting the signals. Every single day when I check the time on my clock, I see a very specific number, a number that happens to be my best friend's date of birth. EVERY SINGLE DAY I SEE THAT NUMBER ON A CLOCK. Everywhere I look I see it, whether it's a graffiti on the wall, or the price tag on the shirt I want to buy. Because of this, I'm planning to take DMT on my best friend's birthday (destiny must be fulfilled I guess). A few weeks ago I took 5 grams of mushrooms because I wanted to ask myself really deeply, is this what I want in life? Do I really want to become God? Do I really want to know the Truth? Is this my purpose? Do I have the courage to go into black abyss again? Will there be light this time, or will I be stuck there permanently (think of the spinning top in Inception that spins indefinitely)? How bad do I really want all of this? Will I loose my mind and end up at the psychiatric hospital? As I was reflecting on these questions, I came to one very important conclusion. It wasn't just a conclusion, but the words that I said out loud for the first time in my life, and I really meant it. I NEED HELP. It really took a lot of courage to say these words, both to myself, and to you. For the past few days, I've visited monasteries, spoke with monarchs, drank holy water... but I still feel that the apocalypse is boiling in me, and that I'm currently a time bomb. This morning I lit some incense and put it in an ashtray (they use them in churches for ceremonies and prayers), and I started thinking about (already watched psychology of conformity video) what would happen if a Christian guy, who truly believes in God, had a direct experience of God, BUT it turns out that the God is not what he believed it to be, or how God was described in the holy scripts. How would that experience change this Christian guy? As if the God heard my thoughts, an ashtray exploded in front of me. I quickly took the remaining's of incense because tit was still burning, and put it in another ashtray, and thought to myself "was this a coincidence?". And as if the God heard my thoughts again, the another ashtray exploded. Okay, definitely not a coincidence... I would really appreciate your advice on this, I really don't know what will happen when I take DMT, whether I will come back or not, whether I will loose my mind and end up in psychiatric hospital, and whether I will be able to function normally in this society afterwards. All I know is that something has to change very quickly, and that I need to make a choice. This time, I cannot reject the calling. It even crossed my mind to do DMT at the very top of the Devil's town (that way it will be in my 7 wonders of the world xD). I truly appreciate your time for reading this and helping me. There are two quotes I want to leave you with: "Through an action, a man becomes a hero. Through death, a hero becomes legend. Through time, a legend becomes myth. Through hearing a myth, a man takes an Action..." -unknown "Sometimes you're not meant to go over, or under, or around it. Sometimes, you're meant to go through it. You just have to get through it." - Elderly client in a lucid state, describing his battle with dementia.

Alien consciousness

Yay, at the end of the video Leo says he will teach alien consciousness. Can we get a countdown clock for that video release ? This video was great, but i still feel the alien consciousness one will be unmatched.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2025-10-08/cristiano-ronaldo-is-first-football-billionaire-after-saudi-al-nassr-deal So..Ronaldo became the first billionaire football player ever. And at the launch of his YouTube channel he was battling MrBeast about who's gonna become the fastest YouTuber to gain maximum followers in the shortest time . Anyways..so after Messi won the World Cup in 2022...that was a game changer in the GOAT debate . This is the World Cup ..its no trivial trophy . But what I'm noticing ever since that ..is that Ronaldo is getting blowjobs from everyone on the interent . Everywhere you look you see some Propaganda about him and a kind of hyping him up as the GOAT without a doubt. I mean he is the top scorer in the history of football..but let's not forget that Messi is a fucking Alien .the ball is simply stuck with his feet like a magnet. So it's not so simple as everyone are hyping Ronaldo to be the best . Is there anyone else who notices a hyping up for Ronaldo especially after Messi won the World Cup ? I mean he is literally a fucking Billionaire right now so maybe he uses money to infect the media.

I like when you scroll down his videos from a few years back and get to all the crazy alien thumbnails telling me some story in an ancient sign language. I get more out of these than the videos themselves, but then again I've only watched a few to understand that Leo is really just an Alien of high intelligence who was co-created in Russia and planted here to Brainwash the Americans and Harvest as much mind cookies as possible.

Using Maszlow’s Hierarchy of Needs, we, especially in the developed world, have more than enough raw resources to give everyone the basic necessities of food, shelter and medicine. The Industrial Revolution basically eliminated scarcity as we know I and we’re at a point where we have more food, steel etc than we know what to do with (just look up the Green Revolution for reference.) The problem is we still see these things as commodities to be sold for profit, rather than the base needs that everyone needs to, well, not die. Healthcare, for instance, has made absolutely insane strides in effectiveness over the last 40 years - we could easily give everyone that needs it access to their insulin, physical therapy, chemo treatments without even breaking a sweat, but because, at least in America, these things are locked away behind corporate paywalls for the express purpose of making a profit, countless people simply don’t receive these and too many people die each year as a result. This isn’t about “freebies” or “gimmies”, it’s about upholding the social contract - you support society through your work, contribution, good efforts, etc and in return society looks after you when you need it. Otherwise, whats even the point of having a society in the first place? We may as well return to caveman politics of just killing each other over resources instead. There’s also the basic compassionate argument too - why even have all this explosion of technology, wealth etc if no one even gets to see it? How does handing billions of public dollars to tech oligarchs to buy more yachts and private jets help anyone, other than their limited ego? An alien looking down on earth would be baffled by our current setup. Some of our hardest working and crucial people (nurses, teachers, frontline workers etc) get some of the least amount of social support, while people like Mark Zuckerberg- who literally weaponises human addiction to get people stuck on their phones all day - gets billions of dollars for keeping everyone miserable and paranoid. This is nothing to say of the pure human talent being lost under the capitalist paradigm. I guarantee you, there is the next Mozart, the next Einstein or Ada Lovelace working a dead-end job in a Walmart or factory somewhere, forced to barely keep their head afloat as all their meagre wages go to looking after their grandma with cancer rather than actually providing massive value to the world by following their passion. Basically, this current setup exists to parasitically suck the life out of actual, productive, meaningful work, in favour of pursuing tech-oligarch pipedreams and financial delusions for stockholders whilst the world around them goes to shit. Where is all our new highways? Our new libraries, concert halls, observatories, national parks, public pools, bridges, ports, airports, schools, universities, museums? They don’t exist, despite the economy supposedly “ballooning” over the last 20 years. Why does society become so absurdly productive that even a Roman Emperor at its height looks like a mere peasant, yet it continues to flounder and get worse year after year? Something’s got to give. Too many decent, regular people are starving, getting sick, getting homeless, and dying for this to make any sense. At some point you have to accept the individualist paradigm is destroying society and that if we as a species are to survive and evolve, we have to get rid of our highly antiquated ideas of individual profit selling useless goods that fundamentally don’t make the world a better place. Things can get so much better, we just have to wake up to that fact.

The only thing I want a hit of is Alien Love.

it absolutely is an alien intelligence because it doesn't make any sense. I don't understand and never will why misery is such a big part of existence. misery is unworthy of existence. there is no value to be had and only an insane lunatic loves misery

Who is judging? Should we be judging or discerning? In addition, it would be an error to anthropomorphize God. We could be attempting to understand an alien intelligence through limited human intelligence.

Mine is very simple : harmonicity, playing together --- He is litteraly describing how he see himself. but the listing is already the biggest act of self deception and show how he categorize and manipulate reality. With all those psychedelic, his love of survival/money is still too grounded in the collective hallucination, alien mind is not integrated at all yet. Having to deal with community & people reduce our mind to data conformity a lot, it is what it is, sometimes it's good, most of the time it isn't.

@Leo Gura I took your wine example as an example and thought experiment. The history or original creation of a thing is sort of irrelevant when it comes to people enjoying it or not. At the same time, alcohol in general is a conformist thing. The episode was good I thought. Still, it’s like refining out ideas from previous videos. Not exactly new. I also, I don’t fully grasp where you are guiding us too. I found myself asking… what’s the point of this? I do like how I see more clearly how my thoughts, actions and survival are sort of this “reflection” of culture…. One of my favourite songs “Reflektor” for some reason has me contemplating the fractal nature of human thought and creativity and how much of it is just reflections. The idea of creating new thoughts, sovereign cognition and aspects of consciousness is interesting. You mentioned you are leading me to God realization. Which, actually leads me to a question because I’ve had psychedelic experiences on 5meodmt recently that left me entirely alone in this perfect singularity which I resisted very strongly. The realization of no time, birth, death etc actually really scared me and has me questioning continuing with this work for now. I’ve been in this state before but this last time I really resisted it. Weird paradox territory. I think my grasping ego distorted the trip. I feel this video dove tails with so many previous episodes. I think for me. Right now this episode has me contemplating my of cognition. I don’t think I’m ready for deep original thinking at this point in my life but I appreciate having access to this information. I think if anything being able to see and make high quality distinctions of the types of conformity I do play Into is healthy. Leo, I am wonder if you think that we should return to whether or not we live cognize consciously as a first principle and not whether what we do is conformist. We are fractal being and we can’t escape Conformity entirely and I don’t think that’s the goal of your teaching. I think, for many of us it’s to be more conscious of the social matrix, group think and conformity. A few of us will from this work go on to create great original works I’m sure I think beyond just not being conformist is to learn the skill of meta cognition, instropection, philosophy, and to be construct aware, and aware of group think dynamics and social matrix. Then, with this the goal is to develop a mature, stable, Actualized and functional mind to live a good life. I am not really interested in the Alien consciousness stuff but open to hearing about it.

@ExploringReality Yeah people smoking salvia is a whole YouTube rabbit hole haha. Most do it recklessly but rarely you find footage of people exploring it in responsible ways with skill-full trip sitters. Salvia seems to transform you into a clueless baby alien who just appeared out of nowhere instantly My last mushroom trip a few months ago was 7.3g and was a complete dud. I just got very restless and confused, jumped up and down and ran in circles lol. Good going on your pursuit of your life purpose brother