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Alien Consciousness is not about aliens or UFOs.

I'm still waiting for the day Leo will reveal to us that he is actually an alien from a far away galaxy that has came here to cure us of our backwardness. I have this thought ever since Leo became all of a sudden interested in UFO's & alien consciousness.

That's how I used to feel about it too, prior to my medicine journey where it showed me that there was so much that was positive and superior in beauty on the other side of embracing my ordinary side. I'm picking on you about this because I think your resistances to average-ness are holding you back from your stated spiritual goals.... and that your goals towards seeking Truth may partially be a cover for your resistance to average-ness. You have to be able to kiss the frog to experience the higher state of the prince. You may be motivated to transcend the 'human smallness' through enlightenment because that is another way of creating a differentiated ego and setting yourself aside from all other humans because other humans are the frogs. But that motivation would just be an outgrowth of the same human smallness and non-Truth that you're seeking to get away from... and would make you just another frog. So, even your resistance to ordinariness is a really normal and average human condition. I've experienced it... and many of my clients over the years have too. It's very ordinary to want to not be ordinary and to hate mediocrity. And because specialness is power... t's nearly impossible to truly cast away that "ring of power". So, when you make a show of "I'm one of the rare special ones who can ACTUALLY cast the one ring into Mordor." forgive me if I'm skeptical and poke at you a bit. If what I have glimpsed is true, God is one that can embrace all things completely and staying with the reality of being God requires such an embrace of all polarities along all spectrums in the everythingness (as that is what Love is)... how can you expect to stay with the Truth that you are God, if you can't even accept the inescapable ordinary averageness of the Leo character? That resistance alone will keep you clinging to the ego story of "Leo, the special alien." And yes, I do still have a resistance to malice and that which causes suffering that sometimes gets in the way of my goals. But I've been working for several years on breaking down my resistance to ordinariness. But those resistances used to be almost equal. I couldn't tolerate blending in with the crowd in nearly similar to the resistance to causing suffering. That's the big boss level resistance for me. But the truth is that every human is fundamentally ordinary, you included. And aging alone will rob you of all relative specialness that you currently enjoy. Can you accept that truth?

It means that people who speak about nonduality are in lower states of consciousness than what is possible. You are getting too pedantic about words. Words are irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that you understand that there exist much higher states of consciousness than your current state. Stop acting like what I am saying is so paradoxical and confusing. It isn't. It is so clear a child could understand me. Ant >> rat >> chimp >> human >> nondual human >> alien >> God level 1 >> God level 2 >> God level 3 >> etc When you make any argument to me, that is coming from your existing state of consciousness. Your arguments have zero validity in higher states. This includes all arguments made by nondualists and Buddhists and enlightened people. Literally nothing you say matters because none of it exists at a higher state. If you do not understand this, I don't know how to help you.

Wanted to dedicate a thread for real examples of serious people doing serious spirituality. I’ll start with mine. I’ll keep it concise. 10/11/25: At-Home Meditation Retreat Started at 8am with meditation for a 2 hour sit. The main techniques used were breath awareness, open awareness, and light self-inquiry. I took a brief break to use the bathroom and adjust myself. I returned and continued for another 2 hours focusing on stillness leading up to self-inquiry. The main questions contemplated were “What am I, What is Consciousness?” I kept my consciousness on the awareness that I am the entire room. Thoughts of media and videogames kept distracting my attention and I kept returning back to breath and self-inquiry. I had the insight just how much influence the media has had over my mind and how much garbage and past relationships my mind is focused on. Took another break for lunch and just stared at my hands while contemplating consciousness. My hands started to look alien. I kept my awareness on the field of consciousness. Whenever my mind wandered, I returned back to the questions of “What is consciousness? How does this hand exist at all?” Additional questions came up such as “Why does consciousness exist at all?” “How did consciousness decide to experience/create my current life?” Took another brief break and spent the next 2 hours in a dark room in my closet and continued my previous meditation techniques. Nothing new happened here but more mind wandering. Took a break for a brief snack and returned to meditation. I sat for another couple hours and after a while my mind got still. I started feeling love and joy going through every cell of my being. I started having a big smile on my face that I couldn’t resist. It felt like I was on mushrooms for a moment. I started to feel satisfied with my own mind in pure existence. I tried to keep this awareness for as long as I could. My legs started to fall asleep so I had to do some walking meditation for a bit which got me out of that state. I spent the rest of the time contemplating existential topics such as death, eternity, the first cause, time, memory, and my purpose. At around 7pm I couldn’t keep focus anymore and so I decided to end it for today. My main takeaways is how much noise and garbage filled my mind. My mind resisted stillness in the form of thoughts about media and entertainment. I also realized how much I do love my mind because I was able to think creative thoughts and have insights. Other insights I had is that I am imagining time, memory, and the past. The past and memory are nothing but a construction of consciousness. I realized deeper that my consciousness is creating everything I see and hear in a similar way it creates thought/imagination. I also realized that I need to practice meditation more often and that I have been mistreating my mind. Thats all for now.

Well he just came out praising Alien: Earth. So there's that 'Congratulations to Noah, cast, and team on the massivelyCongratulations to Noah, cast, and team on the massively successful foray into the Alien universe with Alien: Earth. When I created this world almost 50 years ago, I could never have imagined that it would continue to resonate so strongly with audiences around the world decades later. It's particularly exciting to learn that younger generations who are embracing Alien: Earth are going back to our film to see where it all began. The cinematic designs still look sharp 46 years later. Such a clever re-use of the original sets. I bloody drew them personally back in the day. The chamber of computers, Mother's womb, the corridors—it's incredible to see how Noah has embraced these trademark Alien elements while bringing something new for the fans. And as writing is the most challenging part of any production experience, it all follows from there. Noah has kept the beast alive, and dripping scare the hell out of us for some time longer. A big thank you to John Landgraf, his excellent team at FX for all their brilliant work on this new series. Scream away, no one will hear you. successful foray into the Alien universe with Alien: Earth. When I created this world almost 50 years ago, I could never have imagined that it would continue to resonate so strongly with audiences around the world decades later. It's particularly exciting to learn that younger generations who are embracing Alien: Earth are going back to our film to see where it all began. The cinematic designs still look sharp 46 years later. Such a clever re-use of the original sets. I bloody drew them personally back in the day. The chamber of computers, Mother's womb, the corridors—it's incredible to see how Noah has embraced these trademark Alien elements while bringing something new for the fans. And as writing is the most challenging part of any production experience, it all follows from there. Noah has kept the beast alive, and dripping scare the hell out of us for some time longer. A big thank you to John Landgraf, his excellent team at FX for all their brilliant work on this new series. Scream away, no one will hear you.' - Ridley Scott They probably should have kept with the themes of body horror, rape, forced impregnation and violation that the original HR Giger themes revolved around.

Ridley Scott's themes suck. He tries to get all philosophical about it but it just comes off amateurish and ruins what should be a simple Giger monstrosity show. Androids ruined the entire Alien franchise. It should be a show about Xenomorphs and their horrific ancient homeworld. The xenomorph lore and homeworld should be along the lines of the game Scorn. Not generic human hi-tech sci-fi tripe. A proper Alien sequel must involve exploring the lore of the xenomorph homeworld, which is an HR Giger biomechncial horror world where no amount of human technology lets humans survive.

Here is a video essay on alien franchise that outlines several reoccouring themes, a struggle of ego and technology and corporacracy intertwined, though Ridley Scot had his own biblical musings tied in and perhaps giving other vibe and perhaps more depth to his depictions

@DodoI dont trust a man that dosent tear up once when talking about God. Except Bashar cause hes an alien and he cant cry.

Uhhh... Rupert Spira is just sane... He is my favourite nonduality teacher actually. You will get no bs from him. This alien consciousness stuff is bs, its Daryl all him, he's just playing a role... its just his style of teaching, to his audience. Not everyone is for Rupert Spira retreats, and not everyone is for Bashar. They have different type of audience. I am not interested in Bashar talks, not nondual enough 😀 i like someone saying that the knower and the known are made of the same knowing. Im not into solipsism, im into nonduality. Not talking about one mind, but one consciousness. Minds are collection of thoughts perceptions/conceptions [aka movements of consciousness] within consciousness, mind is not consciousness.

@DodoI think he is a solipsist. Id argue bashar would say in order to get alien powers you need to be a solipsist. How is Bashar talking to Daryl? His own mind and Bashars own mind. The people who say its not solipsism are judging the word. The word means its all in mind specifically yours cause everyone and everything is in your mind. It dosent mean you have to be mean like people automatically assume. You can still be yourself and talk to yourself in your mind we do it all day. When you see Rupert Spira have such a negative reaction to the word you know hes a sick fuck. If you discovered God was like a television with infinite channels and realised you could just change the channel and the experience you had of every person in the room suddenly dissapeared and new people appeared in a new room. Then you switched back and they were still moving and talking and your body was still moving and talking, would you assume there are other people? Theres no way to know. So its automatically yes because you only have experience of yourself.

Any path that leads to peace is good. If I could understand Arabic i would read the actual works of Khalil Gibran, Also for most people it makes sense to stay close to your source, language and culture has an intricate way of seeping into one's DNA and foreign ideologies remain Alien to a certain extent no matter how deeply you incorporate them. It looks like a show or an act for some reason. The truth is in you, just use the tools that are closest to you, don't go too far.

As I grow older and mature more, more and more people slowly drop out of my life. Less and less new people I find interesting. And so, as an extrovert, I am really glad there is a place like this to socialize, crack some Alien dad jokes, and share some deep thoughts. Deeply appreciate ya’ll, and thank you Leo for hosting this for us.

Lmao sure. I haven't watched those videos, you can go find them yourself if you're genuinely curious and not simply trying to "hah I won the argument because he didn't use the YouTube search bar for me". Rupert Spira sells enlightenment. He does events. But this is still just weak "making money on enlightenment means conman". Inb4 Leo drops the newest course on Alien Awakening or whatever. I don't know what that means. Everybody is skeptical about Tolle, he is like the scapegoat for guru skeptics.

Um.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_(philosophy) The essence of the ring (appearance) is gold (Absolute). But the essence of gold (Absolute) is not the ring (appearance). "In philosophy (often specifically metaphysics), the absolute,[a] in most common usage, is a perfect, self-sufficient reality that depends upon nothing external to itself.[2] In theology, the term is also used to designate the supreme being or God. While the notion of the absolute varies across traditions and thinkers, it generally signifies something that transcends all forms of limitation, relativity, and contingency" I guess appearance depends upon "something/nothing/THAT"... Take away appearance, and THAT remains... The Reality of appearance is "the" Absolute. The Reality of "the" Absolute is not the appearance. Of course, emptiness is form, and form is emptiness. But appearance, or illusion, is.... not quite the "self-sufficient reality that depends upon nothing external to itself". Because its, um, temporary. Reality = permanent. Or maybe there is some realization which you have not yet had about "that" which watches the whole Ant/Human/Alien/God gig.... Who knows? But you do you, and I do.... apparently also you. Ain't "we" are having fun. Uhum. Btw., in case you guys start a discussion about Solipsism during the gig in the usual forum style, I guess even the Godess doesn't want to miss that. Something for WbtRs Bucket List for this lifetime: 10 tripping ladies & gentlemen in a nondual boundless state with remaining egos "residual-individuality-arisings" discussing with each other which one is now the One (and only). A pity heretics like poor me probably won't get admitted. Did you notice that your event is also in the (literally) Selling Water by the River business, as in Well, its an honourable endeavour, at least if not approached too seriously - because of the absolutely hilarious nature of the self-contradictory gig if taken too seriously. So I wish you and all participants good luck in not getting into too serious solipsistic discussions during the event while tripping & selling Water by the River. My recommendation would be: Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses by the River

Your consciousness yes. But that consciousness is not the Absolute, it is a mere appearance. Ant and Ant consciousness arising, Human and human consciousness arising, Alien and Alien consciousness arising. Arising/appearing in THAT. YOU are aware of it. Aware of the Ant, of Leo, of the Alien. That which is truly aware, which is truly the Absolute Subject, the Ultimate Looker, never changes. No moving parts. Selling "no moving parts makes maintenance free" by the River

Ain't we I You God Leo It THAT Clap of the one Hand having fun? Yes, according to pretty much all OBElers yes (I like Jürgen Ziewe). And why not? Makes the game a bit more juicy. Leo can become his alien, but maybe after another few lifes have thaught him that considering the zombies rats rodents fellow childen of his own Being a little bit more benevolent. Like, a Kindergarten-planet with many many growing children eager to learn, each with its own curriculum and needs.... And planet Earth can provide lessons Leos idea that everbody ending up as stable Infinity upon death is in contradiction to all OBElers having explored the Afterlife Realms. Why should the 2nd grader suddenly get its PHd - sounds a bit traumatizing, and robbing the poor chap its wonderful journey through school and college. We shall all see... That is the one thing in life that is totally assured: The final out of body experience. Nobody gets left behind. Anyways, where have we been... Ah, yes: The only "thing" that cares about ignorance (ignorance defined as seeing any arising/appearance as "other") being gone forever is.... ignorance-arisings. So maybe, when the Avatar is developed enough, after maybe having been an angel, a planetery consciousness, or a being that spawns a whole Universe in its being/perspective, and n+1 .... becoming a bit more stupid and ignorant again becomes quite very attractive? Ever had the feeling that THIS was a really interesting dream the night before, totally bought into its exciting (although totally ignorant with lots of "other") story? That you would miss something if that was no longer possible again (ever)? As Francis Lucille once said: Ignorance is only a bad idea from the perspective of ignorance. As Consciousness/Being/Reality: Who cares? Nothing to loose.... And, from a personal perspective: Nothing can ever truly happen to True Being. Neither loose, neither gain. Ignorant or not, even the ignorance is only arising, never have I been that. Ever. THAT is always right here, ever was, ever will be, can not not be. There never was anything beyond a mere illusion-arising appearing to believe in ignorance/other. Was never truly the case. Can never be. But how tremendously beautiful that ignorance/other arising is even possible! Enjoying looking forward to this life, the realms beyond, an alien or two, the planet-gig, assembling this or that realm, and then maybe enjoying another juicy drama of ignorance all of over again. And all of that words/meanings are just ripples on the mere appearing surface of the River, which in Reality doesn't move, become or change in the slightest. PS: I know. Blah Blah Blah. But: There is good Blah Blah Blah, and bad Blah Blah Blah. Blah Blah good? (the no-foreign-language-warning-point fraction may be so kind to click on auto-translate. Gracie!)

Those alien civilizations were promised to the Jews by god 3,000 years ago...

He understands well his society Shit you have the heart of a lion, You are right, if an alien society comes and says that this galactic sector is under their jurisdiction, but that I will continue to retain my properties, I will have citizen status and they will also bring technology that will make me immortal, I will say: no!!!!! in the name of Muhammad I will educate my children to commit suicide since nothing is more terrible than not being sovereign! I want to be subjected to an retarded Spanish dictator! Only he can sodomize me and put me in jail for 25 years for a comment on Instagram!! But they're not aliens. They're Jews who've lived in that land for 3,000 years. There's always been a Jewish presence, and when Israel was founded, there were half a million living there. They didn't oppress or steal. They brought wealth and prosperity, openness and vitality. Why don't collaborate and grow together as a society? Maybe because Muslims don't want to grow, just go to paradise? Listen this Muslim, he's smart https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNxiSB52NbW/?igsh=bG1qNm44ZG1oaGc4

@Breakingthewall So people are mentally ill and retarded for resisting displacement or loss of control? You’re using wordplay to deflect from the main issue - by saying they’d still be on the land even if it’s just within a Jewish state. Well, any remaining Ukrainians will still be in the Donbass after Russia has annexed it from Ukraine - so it’s cool? It’s like me saying you no longer own your house and are now a tenant who rents it - but technically your still in the house so its fine? Note - you’re IN the house, it’s not YOUR house anymore. But don’t worry - I’m a great landlord and won’t hike your rent too much papi. You said you’d blow a superior people to benefit from their development. Would you whore yourself out to be under Alien rule with their superior development? Humans have a soul and certain dignity to themselves not tied simply to the material world. Majority of humans have fought for self-determination regardless of the “other” who may determine the outcome of their lives better - hence the entire anti-colonial struggle. Your framework just sells your soul to the highest bidder. When the Chinese are ahead of the West in the next decades invite them to rule you and suck them off too as you’ve said you’ll do.

@zazen come to the real world. Israel is the best thing that could have happened to the Palestinians and the Middle East in general. They can't continue living in the Middle Ages, stoning adulterers, hanging gays, and killing blasphemers in the 30th century. When we open interdimensional portals and communicate with alien civilizations, what would happen if one of them drew a picture of Muhammad? Have you thought about that? An intergalactic war! That would be terrible!

These are some of the films I've found Leo praising on the blog and the forum. Documentaries were also not included in this list, I think those deserve their own separate list. @Leo Gura Can you fill me in on the rest? Perhaps some more obscure ones or films that mean a lot to you which you haven't had the chance to talk about yet? I think you've got good taste 👍Especially when it comes to science fiction! -------------------------------------- The list: A Guide for the Married Man (1967): https://actualized.org/insights/gaslighting-masterclass The Man Who Would Be King (1975): A great classic film showing how stage Red dominates and exploits Purple tribal people to gain absolute power. Star Wars Ep. 4 (1977): Star Wars Ep. 5 (1980): Star Wars Ep. 6 (1983): "The Star Wars movies have a lot of juicy Hero's Journey wisdom. The Force is so similar to enlightenment!" Extended forum post: https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/50749-spiral-dynamics-stage-red-examples-mega-thread/?page=32#comment-703985 https://www.actualized.org/insights/trust-the-force https://actualized.org/insights/george-lucas-explains-star-wars Alien (1979): "Just don't expect it to be as great or as serious as the original Alien films. [Alien Earth]...it's like high-budget Alien fan fiction. I am enjoying it." Caddyshack (1980): https://actualized.org/insights/be-the-ball Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984) "The reason I link Temple of Doom clips is because it's the classic example of how a Purple undercurrent runs underneath a veneer of Blue civilization." Aliens (1986): "There only exist 2 Alien films. 1 and 2. Everything else is non-cannon." Wall Street (1987): https://actualized.org/insights/wall-street-orange Robocop (1987): "First film I ever watched. And still one of the best films of all time." "You don't need to patronize to children. Children can watch adult films and fully enjoy them. I watched Robocop when I was 5 years old. I treated it as a "kid's" movie. You don't need to put cute idiots into a movie for children to enjoy it. This is so insulting to children. Children have been turned into pussies by such people. Robocop is the perfect children's movie." Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989): https://www.actualized.org/insights/the-thugs Fletch Lives (1989): https://actualized.org/insights/fletch-on-being-wrong The Abyss (1989): https://actualized.org/insights/the-making-of-the-abyss Terminator 2 (1991): https://actualized.org/insights/i-cannot-self-terminate The Lion King (1994): "The Lion King is a classic hero's journey movie. Worth a re-watch. I have a whole book that explains how they wrote The Lion King using the Hero's Journey structure." Goldeneye (1995): "Personally, I prefer my laser beams on the heads of sharks. On the other hand, Goldeneye was a good movie." Braveheart (1995): "There are many admirable qualities of healthy stage Blue. Relentless loyalty and sticking to principle is one of Blue's top strengths." From Dusk Till Dawn (1996) "That is a perfect film." Trainspotting (1996) "Great film. The Robert Carlyle character is epic." The Fifth Element (1997): https://actualized.org/insights/5th-element-opening-scene https://www.actualized.org/insights/quintessence-the-5th-element The Postman (1997): "The Postman is a great stage Red film. The villain is a well-done classic Red:" "People do not awaken en mass when their survival is threatened. They retreat into egotism, xenophobia, and violence." Private Parts (1997): https://actualized.org/insights/private-parts Contact (1997): "It's an excellent film." https://actualized.org/insights/the-black-hole-problem The Thomas Crown Affair (1999): https://actualized.org/insights/the-thomas-crown-affair Snatch (2000): https://actualized.org/insights/brad-pitts-greatest-role Gladiator (2000): "A perfect film" https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/106073-most-movies-are-disappointing-nowadays/#comment-1569112 K-PAX (2001): "Good movie. They don't make 'em like that any more. Fucking superheros, ruined Hollywood." A Beautiful Mind (2001) https://actualized.org/insights/proving-infinity Crazy/Beautiful (2001): https://actualized.org/insights/crazy-beautiful Catch Me If You Can (2002): https://actualized.org/insights/catch-me-if-you-can Death to Smoochy (2002): https://actualized.org/insights/death-to-smoochy Ladder 49 (2004): "Blue is the type of person who would die in the call of duty for his country/people. Reminds of the movie Ladder 49, which was a stage Blue tearjerker: Same phenomena as jumping on a grenade to save your troops. Classic Blue move." Flight of the Phoenix (2004): https://actualized.org/insights/flight-of-the-phoenix Lord of War (2005): "Orange meets Red" "Great Orange film" "A brilliant film" Also referenced here: https://actualized.org/insights/pig Into The Wild (2007) https://actualized.org/insights/into-the-wild I Am Legend (2007): https://www.actualized.org/insights/this-is-love Slumdog Millionaire (2008): "That's a great movie." Avatar (2009): "A human species identity is certainly present and will only get stronger as we transcend our national identities. If aliens became a commonly recognized thing, humans would develop a much stronger human species identity which would contrast itself against the aliens. Then at some point there would need to be unification of the alien and human identities. The humans and aliens would start to have sex with each other, and so on. At first this would be hated and even outlawed. But then it would become normal and even desirable. The movie Avatar touches on this issue" Splice (2009): https://actualized.org/insights/splice Limitless (2011): "Such a great movie! :D" "Modinfinil is like that movie Limitless, but less extreme and far less negative side-effects." Bone Tomahawk (2015): https://actualized.org/insights/bone-tomahawk-film The Man Who Knew Infinity (2015): https://actualized.org/insights/the-man-who-knew-infinity Passengers (2016): https://actualized.org/insights/passengers Blade Runner 2049 (2017): https://www.actualized.org/insights/blade-runner-vibes A Quiet Place (2018): https://actualized.org/insights/a-quiet-place Annihilation (2018): https://actualized.org/insights/annihilation Sputnik (2020): https://actualized.org/insights/sputnik Greenland (2020): https://actualized.org/insights/greenland-film Don't Look Up (2021): "We are barely able to hold on to democracy in the US and get people to wear masks. Forget about planning for existential planetary risks." Finch (2021): https://actualized.org/insights/finch Pig (2021): "The last movie I watched was Pig. Pretty good." https://actualized.org/insights/pig Dune (2021): "I like the new Dune films, mostly for the vibes and world." SISU (2023): https://actualized.org/insights/sisu-nazi-hunting-mayhem The Surfer (2024): https://actualized.org/insights/the-surfer Road House (2024): https://actualized.org/insights/road-house-film Dune 2 (2024): "I like the new Dune films, mostly for the vibes and world."

Thats a bad thing? Assimilating US values to loosen some of their conservative values Who is going to liberalize them when its an alien concept to them?

Agree with all of that. But WHAT is watching all of these Alien/Divine/whatever consciousness/arising/imaginings? All of that x/y/z/n+1/Alien/Divine/... consciousness is... temporal imagined arising(s). Even human/Alien/Divine consciousness is not the Absolute Looker/Subject/Reality/Being, but an appearance. Temporal, arising within THAT, and gone a bit later. Watched by WHAT? In WHAT? Made out of WHAT? What watches all of that? What never changes? What is never not the case? What are you truly? What eats the ant/human/alien/divine being for breakfast? THAT which manifests/imagines the whole gig within its boundless Reality/Being, and at the same time is aware of it. THAT which can "forget" or unimagine its realization of what "itself" is anytime... while never not being itself, even if that realization is lost. THAT can never loose itself, or become anything else. Yet, it explores its imagined potential of x/y/z/Ant/Human/Alien/Divine Being-consciousness and the worlds these consciousness perceive forever. And btw., none of that invalidates what you say, that alien/divine/.../n+1/whatever is a much grander perspective of God understanding herself. Its just, well, all of that doesn't change the unchanging Reality a bit. Did (true) YOU ever change, or just the temporary waves/ripples on you imagined surface? Leo, how about you answer this one? Isn't that bringing your "God/THAT/Reality imagines it all" theory/concept/experience nearer its final conclusion? And as always, since THAT never truly changes, "that" which is truly aware, and "we" are it already... meet you "there" already Leo. The various "consciousness" from ant to human to Alien to Divine Being are the "subject"-side of the manifestation. Changing, relative, like the "objective"-side of the "world". Like arising lenses that THAT uses to create, watch and understand its manifestations & light-show in different ways. What is aware of the boundless limitless Totality of all of that, having that arising within "It"self? What is unchanging Reality that sees ant, human, Alien, Divine Being arise within "It"-self. PS: Becoming part-time Alien/ then part-time-Divine Being, on which we recently learned after Alien comes Divine Beings, so whats next? Hint: Infinity = n+1 = forever.... https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=Alien&author=Water by the River It seems that our two Rivers are approaching the same ocean... Maybe soon we will be selling Water by the River and laughing at the illusion and ultimate joke of that activity, and throwing Koans at the waves of the River. But hey, what else is there to do than (hopefully) celebrating manifestation, enjoying creation/manifestation for Infinity, and... Selling Water by the River PS: Now the Backup-Koan, since all of the above is just illusion: Basho: The old pond, A frog jumps in: Plop! And: Who is hearing these words right now?