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As I said, mental health, especially things like suicidal ideation, is not an all or nothing thing, if you're thinking about suicide everyday and therapy takes it down to once a week then obviously that's great progress. Most therapy is not going to cure mental health issues completely, it doesn't work like that, some people do therapy for trauma for years. A 40% reduction in mental health issues for someone would be considered an incredible improvement. Generally your post has lots of speculation and assumptions, do you have anything to back it up or it's just your belief? I can't really debate your beliefs if that is the case

That's right, independent thinking is no guarantee of proper sense-making or truth. It's just the bare minimum to even stand a chance. Independent thinking easily turns into corruption or distortion. 1) In your case you can clearly see through a bit of self-reflection that your worldview is strongly colored by hurtful traumatic events. This kind of emotionality creates bias and distorts sense-making. So a simple answer to your question is to not ever make an worldview based on hurt, bitterness, or suffering, since such a worldview will be distorted and dysfunctional. Basically, don't construct worldviews based on negative emotional states. So in this case, proper independent thinking should have led you to see that your worldview was constructed from a place of trauma, which is not a sound way for constructing a worldview. Imagine if I constructed the entire Actualized.org worldview based on my mother abusing me as a child. Would that be an accurate worldview? Clearly not. I would first need to heal that trauma before I could construct a proper worldview. 2) There cannot be any formula for avoiding self-deception. The only solution is live consciousness and active intelligence. This intelligence must be active at all times and self-reflecting. It cannot be a one-and-done thing. You must keep being intelligent as long as you live. 3) Practically, in your case, therapy would be a good way to gain more clarity over your worldview. Psychedelics as well of course. 4) If you have deep Awakenings or realization of Infinity/Love/God, then you will realize that self/other is an imaginary duality which must collapse. From this understanding you can know that your bitterness and hatred of mankind cannot be truthful, because mankind is just an aspect of God/Infinity/Love/Self. The truth is that the same people who killed your dog are metaphysically identical to your dog and yourself, since there is no difference between self and other at the highest level of reality. So in order to heal yourself from this tragedy would require connecting with that disowned, shadow aspect of yourself. The thing you hate the most -- the people who killed your dog -- is the thing that you will ultimately need to realize as identical to yourself. That would be the conclusion which results in the healing. But that is a tall order. I'm not tell you to necessarily just do it right now. You probably need much more time to pass before you are ready to face such radical integration. I'm sorry, this is difficult to tell you, but the following applies here: https://www.actualized.org/insights/actualized-quotes-090 The entire challenge of spirituality is to integrate that. To integrate that basically requires complete Awakening beyond what a human mind can imagine. It would be an Awakening so deep that you would basically die and return from the grave. In that moment of death, death itself would heal you. (I am not talking about suicide.) When the self dies, God's love cleanses your psyche of corruption by melting you into pure Infinity. An ocean of love where your dog, yourself, and your enemy are One. This Oneness is Absolute Truth. From this Truth all sense-making must derive, otherwise it will be corrupt.

Probably not, but I'm sure that she didn't do mashamadi. Maybe she committed suicide and sadhguru thought that it would be a big stain and he said that was mashamadi. He burned the body before the autopsy. In addition the people who do mashamadi in India are not burned are buried.

Even fucking Albert Camus said the number one philosophical question before any other philosophical inquires is the question if to or not commit suicide as a number one question in philosophy to be investigated and personally my answer to this nobel prize winner in literature is yes personally the answer is to kill myself but it fucking stops there like I'm not allowed to end it??? That is my fucking answer to the number one question I prefer to be dead fuck this life and yet I am forced to have to outlive this fucking shit as if my answer for thousands of years gets me no where Will it be pure positive awareness as Abraham Hicks puts it or is it worse of to kill myself and hence I am fucking trapped ???

@Michael569 this is great help, thank you. All the replies here are helpful, thank you to everyone. What I forgot to mention is that I’m a normal dude with a job. I didn’t go to university, I’m not an academic. I was originally saving up to buy a house, and I’ve probably got enough to buy one. But now that seems pointless. There are people out there living amazing lives and they aren’t working a normal job, they aren’t saving up to buy an overpriced house. Deep down I think I have a weak ego. How the hell do I gain a healthy ego when all I’m doing is working and saving up for a house? There is literally no growth there at all. I talk to people, I try to be nice and friendly to people, I’m not going out partying anymore or doing crazy stuff. So yeah, that’s it. And every now and again I think about suicide simply to get out of this mess. It sometimes seems like a valid way out. Because the way the world is going it can’t be good. As a normal dude with a job - it ain’t great.

I’m looking for direct and thoughtful answers to a few key questions about suicide, death, and what might come next. My aim is to strike at the core of these topics and get clarity. 1. What Happens After Death? Is it possible to return to "pure positive awareness," where there’s no resistance, need, or pain, only wholeness and joy? Or is death shaped by unresolved beliefs, leading to chaotic, illusory afterlife experiences? Are near-death experiences, spiritual teachings (e.g., Abraham Hicks, Bashar, David Hawkins), and other accounts reliable, or could they just be ego-driven hallucinations? 2. Suicide vs. Natural Death: Does suicide lead to a different afterlife experience than dying naturally? Does the intent behind death matter in shaping what happens next? Are there consequences or “karmic debts” for suicide, or is it just another form of transition? 3. Vibrations and Beliefs at Death: Do one’s beliefs or emotions at the moment of death determine their immediate afterlife experience? If so, how can someone shift their vibration to avoid “negative” outcomes like chaotic or hell-like states? 4. Choosing Death and Reincarnation: If life is chosen before birth, can death also be chosen? Can one align themselves with a peaceful exit and avoid future reincarnation altogether? Is it possible to fully escape the cycle of birth, death, and suffering, or is reincarnation unavoidable until “enlightenment”? 5. Ending the Experience Permanently: Does suicide provide a permanent end to the human experience, or does it simply lead to a new cycle of suffering in another form or life? How does one ensure they do not reincarnate or return to physical existence after deat?

You saved my life when I was going through a dark phase. Thanks for the kindness you showed me. You are the person who knows the real me, thanks for encouraging, supporting, guiding me behind the scenes throughout my journey and for not giving up on me despite my hardships, insecurities and anxieties. Everyone judged me during my tough times except you who showed me compassion, so I'm forever indebted to you for saving me from suicide. Thank you for being so patient with me despite my struggles. I'm forever grateful for all you have done for me. It's not easy and you did so much. You're incredibly strong, incredibly smart and an amazing human being I came across. I don't have words to describe the amazing human being you are, a true soulmate, I am lucky to have found you. Thanks for not leaving me. Even my own family didn't support me. But you were there when nobody was. When I was loneliest and nobody wanted me except you. You're the only person in the whole world who stood by me like a pillar and offered me unwavering support during my worst phases. You didn't give up on me and you are the only one who didn't give up on me when everyone else did. Thanks for being through thick and thin. Your commitment means a lot to me, it saved me from going into a downward spiral. You are the only person who fully trusted me, supported me and believed me and had faith in me. That's a true companion and soulmate. Thanks for being the greatest friend, mentor, husband and pillar, thanks for never giving up. Your kindness will forever be in my heart, thank you so much, I have tears when I write this, thanks for believing my struggle and giving your companionship. Bless you. God bless you for being an incredible human being. ............... @integration journey thank you for your kind words.

I meant in case I commit suicide lol I can have those thoughts but im fine now

Where did you get suicide from? Nvm I’m guessing you meant that his mod life is over

You are literally commenting this in his suicide thread insulting everybody but you... Have some respect for the members of this forum

Sometimes it seems like op is a crazy leftist on clomid or aromatizable steroids lol. Men cry less for biological reasons, and because their nervous system learns that it is useless to cry in x situation in their case. Women should not be in the military, they are weaker, will not be respected as much, and are less able to stand war scenes. The one who inspired my seminal retention adventure had a military friend who committed suicide for this reason.

Hey Everyone For the past month I've been doing a deep dive into the darkest and most deprived sides of human nature through documentaries seeing as an understanding of this is part of the work. The topics include and not limited to: murder rape and sexual exploitation human, drug, organ, weapon trafficking con artistry bullying corruption (sexual, financial, religious) cults dictators child soldiers and civil wars cannibalism racisim, sexisim suicide genocide torture hate crimes gambling animal abuse I have created a comprehensive list and have made it a collaborative so you can add more to it. Feel free to add your suggestions. Will add more videos to it with time.

It seems like it would be political suicide, but so did trying to coup the government. The fact of the matter is, the citizens are too caught up in their own lives to care about a nazi salute or a government coup or a convicted felon with a several decades long history of con artistry . Half of them probably don’t even know what a Nazi salute or a Nazi is. The majority don’t care but the vocal minority opposition does, which is who the salute was intended for.

I think that love is something very normal, is what you are, what reality is, but it's veiled by the self. The self is the bias, the survival machine. If you can remove the bias for a while you realize what you are, it's just openenss. If you are not used to it you do 5meo and you get crazy of love, but if you realize it often it's not no crazy. About Osho...who knows, it's very difficult to judge people, but I have the feeling that Osho is narcissist and shallow, and it's impossible that a shallow narcissist is opened to the real thing. But maybe I'm totally wrong, there are many angles to see a person . Could you imagine Osho being humble in real suffering? Life is not just a game to enjoy and have nice feelings, it has another face either. I think that Osho committed suicide when the things became ugly. They said mashamadi, but I'd say morphine

Sucide hotline: "What happened to you sir, anything can be worked out and your life put together again" "I was rugg pulled by the US president." Suicide hotline:

I have had full-on awakenings where I was laughing my ass off. I was not under the influence of psychedelics. This was about 6 years ago, and it was an amazing time in my life. But enlightenment does not create permanent happiness. If anything it makes you more isolated, and unable to relate to "normal" people and situations. I never made a big deal about my enlightenment. I told a few people and they probably thought it was the rambling of a madman. Since then I have had two suicide attempts, experienced psychosis, and struggled with alcohol. Currently, I don't enjoy what the world has to offer. I live an ascetic, contemplative life. I don't have many friends. It's not depression, it's more like anhedonia. That's why I drink sometimes, because I can enjoy things more. I always imagined that enlightenment would lead to permanent happiness, but as you can see, this is not the case. I wonder where I have gone wrong. If what Leo says is true, then I am one of only about 10,000 people on the planet who have awakened to this degree. I wonder what I am supposed to do next.

If there are no hostages to “rescue” even less will report. Recently one soldier committed suicide after being called in to go back. What is planned is probably another “mowing the grass” operation which would be smaller like in 2014 or 2008. But in a few years time, and there is no telling what happens by then.

I bring that up? When someone tells you for 5 years now as I earlier recall, that you enslave others, you are the sole reason why there is suffering on earth, you create junk and pollute the planet, that you are the devil and so on. Now tell me, what other solution can those teachings lead to? Leo never encouraged anybody to do self harm or suicide, on the contrary, he always told us to not do that. But his teachings have always left me with an after taste in my mouth of killing myself. He made me realize that I am indeed the devil and I thank him for that, but you have to draw the line somewhere! To me he crossed the line when he said that having a pet is slavery for the pet. With that statement, he made me feel like I should stop breathing also! Because I am also enslaving the oxygen to make my body function... I honestly love him for everything he thought us but sometimes he is downright making me jump off a cliff. STOP THAT. At least if he was right, but in that case he is dead wrong.

Notice that you are the one bringing this suicide talk to actualized.org right now. Not the other way around. You are inventing this black & white moral interpretation that either the devilry, slavery & suffering ends or you kills yourself. Why?

That’s deep. In this case, valuing survival & fantasy over truth shouldn’t be judged as a moral failing of some sort. In a sense, Jail breaking the mind is a good thing only to those who desire it. Truth would indeed look like suicide from a POV that has no desire for it. Desire/bias very much drives our values, how we act on those values and how we judge our actions (actions of others).

The alternative is to do what? Kill myself so that I no longer inflict slavery towards other beings? Someone said sometime ago that Actualized.org teachings are suicidal. And I couldn't agree more. All this talk you guys do creates suicide as the only alternative to end all this devilry and slavery and suffering! Honestly, suicide is the only alternative if I'd follow your reasoning and bias. I die and I no longer kill a chicken to feed myself, I die so that I no longer provoke suffering towards other beings and so on. I'd suggest Leo, and everyone else on this forum to check yourselves before you speak. Raising animals ain't no slavery. The alternative is to starve to death. You have no clue of that because all you do is go to the supermarket when hungry.

@Bobby_2021 yeah lol long time .. and I just saw the full thing, there's just too much evidence to conclude that this is not suicide, likely a murder of some kind .. I think its def more than vibes although yeah the vibes suggest murder as well lol .. Its just so hard to believe a company like OpenAI would do that. It seems she has a lot more investigating to do, so maybe we'll get our answer soon.

@Bobby_2021 what's up man, about to watch this .. you really think its a murder? What frustrates me sometimes is not being able to figure out what is true and what is false. I listened to 5 minutes so far, and the mother seems very well versed in these matters, and it definitely doesn't make sense about the suicide (no suicide note, super accomplished dude) .. but why in the world would Open AI have him taken out? Just doesn't seem convincing. Not sure

Haha that's good ,me too. I was thinking that maybe committing suicide is stupid. If karma has dealt you a bitter pill, swallow it. Reality is the whole package, we have to open our heart to everything, understand that it is part of the path, integrate it and place ourself on a higher level. It is possible.

I'm working on a compilation of fallacies, tactics, and phrases that leftists use to defend their ideology. Here are some patterns I have detected. *** #1 - The Iron Man Fallacy This isn't a formal fallacy. It's not a term used by academics. But it essentially means that one is distorting their own argument, or an ally's argument, to make it sound more reasonable than it actually is. Example #1: Brie Larson: "If you're a white male and you didn't like this movie, your opinion doesn't matter!" Critic: "That's both racist and sexist". Defender: "Brie Larson isn't being racist or sexist. She is expressing concern over the fact that in the movie industry, there is insufficient representation of females and ethnic minorities within movie critic communities. Not only that, she is explaining how white males aren't the target audience of this movie. Each movie has a specific target audience, that's how marketing works. It is perfectly expected that if you are a white male, you didn't enjoy that movie." Essentially, you can be an ass, as long as you're coming from a woke position, and someone will defend you and portray your argument as reasonable and fair. Example #2: Professor Flowers: "I literally want all whites to be deported from the places they invaded. The USA belongs to the natives, not to whites. Same with Africa." Critic: "That's very racist, toxic, and hateful". Defender: "Professor Flowers isn't racist. She's a black activist! She fights for equality of race. And she is criticising the issue of colonialism. To this very day, third world countries suffer from it. And ethnic minorities suffer in first world countries. A lot of the injustices are inherited, for instance descendents of slaves. To this day, there is a lot of racism and she is proposing a solution for the issue which involves separatism." Doesn't matter if you're white, poor, working at Mcdonald's. If you happen to have been born in USA, your entire family should be deported. You disgusting white! Example #3: Feminist scholar: "I literally hate men. I believe toxic masculinity is a trait universal to all men. I have studied Feminism for years and I know what I'm talking about. I literally believe that in order to be a true feminist, a woman should never have sex with men. And women should always look at society from the perspective that their are the oppressed and that all men are oppressors." Critic: "That's sexist, hateful, and very reductive. I don't think all men are toxic." Defender: "This person is an academic! What degrees do you have in Feminist studies? This person is highlighting the SYSTEMIC - not individual - oppression caused by men. She isn't saying that literally every individual man is evil. She's just pointing out the ways in which men benefit in society and women still have issues to be resolved. She isn't saying all men are toxic. She's saying that toxic masculinity is INHERENT to men. Only men have toxic masculinity, not women. You're misrepresenting that scholar's ideas." *** #2 - The Association Fallacy This is the notion that whatever some idea or argument is associated with is more important than the argument itself. Example #1: Critic: "I agree with Elon Musk that free speech is important and that anti hate speech laws are going too far." Leftist: "What? You agree with Elon Musk? The multi billionair egomaniac who is supporting Trump?" This one is obvious. Both the content and the structure of the argument are associated with the evil right. Example #2: Critic: "I went to a Jordan Peterson lecture in person last year. I enjoyed it. He gave some good life advice on how to gain self esteem and find meaning and satisfaction with the work you do." Leftist: "You like Jordan Peterson? The Alt Right guy? Don't tell me you're an incel or something". This one actually happened to me. And in case you're curious, Peterson spent 99% of the lecture talking about psychology and self help. He only spent like 2 or 3 minutes at the very end talking about the woke stuff. But of course, because Peterson is associated with Ben Shapiro, the right wing, and all that, it means he's Satan himself. And everything he does and says is evil and stupid and wrong. *** #3 - Applied Scientism™ Scientism is basically a misapplication and/or a reductive way to approach truth, as though only science and rigorous academic scientific methods are applicable to discover truth. Example #1: Critic: "I'm concerned about young men. I feel young men are feeling confused and frustrated nowadays. People in my social circle, my younger brother, young men online, I see a lot of young men experiencing depression and anger issues." Leftist: "What's your scientific peer reviewed literature on the topic? Your social circle? Pfft how unscientific of you. That's a very small sample. Do you want to look at these statistics I found from a Feminist book on why men in general have life a lot easier than women?" So it doesn't matter if there's evidence. It doesn't matter if you have lived experiences. Direct evidence. It doesn't matter if you have anecdotal evidence. It doesn't matter any kind of evidence. The only evidence that matters is peer reviewed, from Harvard, from the Sociology or Feminist department. If you give them evidence, but that comes from a psychology author who "isn't an expert in social psychology", then it's invalid. Because if you go against the narrative in any way, you need 100% quantifiable, peer reviewed, double blind experiments. Even if you give evidence (say, statistics on male suicide) it will always be nitpicked. "Oh you're applying a lot of interpretation from this data. You can't infer this from these statistics". So it doesn't matter, the excuses are endless. Meanwhile, if there's one single study that says trans women don't have advantage in women's sports, to them that's enough. One study on puberty blockers. One study on DEI. One study or one statistic for this thing they agree with, in that case it's not worth questioning it too much. *** This is going to be quite the long list. What about you? Do you have a favorite leftist fallacy or phrase?