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@Mikael89 True. Also this nothing or nothingness is fully aware and conscious. Most people misunderstand what nothing really is and means.

When I inquire and try to look "at awareness/myself", I always kind of see this vibration which colours are made out of. Espacially when I defocus my gaze. Is this what is meant by "nothingness/awareness"? Is this what to focus on with self-inquiry?

What is God? - A No Bullshit Explanation For Smart People - Part 1 “He who knows himself knows God.” St Anthony This is based on Leo’s own experiences, not dogmas or ideologies that he believes. Don’t take his word for it, you can become conscious of it yourself. How do you communicate something that is beyond words? Your mind doesn’t want to hear what Leo has to say. The mind find ways to misunderstand what God is very easily. Wha is the source of all of existence, all of creation, beyond where science typically goes? Does God Really exist? Yes, but what does it mean as God is not what you think it is. There are 3 types of people: 1) The religious people, the theists who deeply believe in God. 2) The Atheists, who don’t believe in God, believe that God is a creation of mankind to brainwash others. 3) The agnostics believe that it is impossible to know and we have to be open to both possibilities All those categories are deeply confused and misunderstand what God is, they are confused in their own unique ways, but each of them have a bit of truth that is being missed amongst all the confusions. So we got to take that bit of truth, collect it and discard all the confusions and delusion. Leo used to be an atheist until 3 years ago where he had direct experience of God so he can clarify the confusions. As atheist you have to understand the “pre trans fallacy” popularized by Ken Wilbert. We have 3 categories of worldview. They are stages of cognitive development of the psyche that the humans goes through individualistically and collectively. 1) The pre-rational, fundamentalists, believes that God is what they believe it is, follows the scriptures, the bible believes in Noe’s arch and so forth 2) The rational, become more skeptical, appreciates science and it becomes the new religion. They think of themselves being so above the first stage, they don’t see there is a trans-rational stage 3) The trans-rational, is hard to describe because it is beyond language and beyond the mind. It is not a rejection of reality but it is going beyond rationality and realizing its limits. The “pre-trans fallacy” is what the atheist or scientifically minded person does, they confuse the trans-rational stage with the pre rational stage. Taking about God doesn’t mean that you are one of those christian fundamentalists! This communication is a trans-rational communication. Religion is full of delusions, but religion is also right about God being an actual phenomenon and not an invention of the human mind. The theists confuse their ideas and beliefs or images of God for God itself. The key insight is that God is an experience not a belief or a theory. Can you find proof of the existence of God? What is proof, what is an experience, how does science or knowledge work? But you don’t find proof for God as you would find proof for some murder. God is the most fundamental thing ever, the origins of existence itself. Proof requires that first you have existence, science and rationality depends on fundamental things that needs to be in place before they work. Proof is a second order phenomenon. Truth or being is prior to proof. You can’t have a castle without bricks but you can have bricks without a castle. Atheist try to find proof for God by trying to find bricks in the shape of a castle, they take the castle as the primary and the bricks as the secondary. Gödel’s and Alfred Tarski both proved that proof is always a weaker notion than truth. Everything that is true is not automatically provable! Prove to me that you exist. It’s actually impossible because existence is more fundamental than proof. The only reason you think you exist is because you feel that you exist and that happens through personal experience. Try to prove that colors exist to a bind person, it’s not possible. For proof to happen, a lot things have to be in place like common based experiences for individuals so we can build a consensus and we can have standards of what qualifies a proof and what doesn’t. These standards can be different depending on the community or culture you are a part of, and what time in history we are talking about. Proof is a very complex notion which requires a lot of various building blocks which itself cannot be proven. Certain things in life cannot be proven and yet, they are true. The main reason why God doesn’t make sense to you is because you’re failing to account for different states of consciousness. Right now you are in the conventional state of consciousness. You can also be in drunken state of consciousness, certain things are open to you and other things are closed in that state of consciousness, every state comes with his own limitations and possibilities. Same when you dream. And then, they are rarified superhuman with high levels of consciousness. So it is not possible to understand God from your courant level of consciousness you need to raise your level of consciousness way higher. It’s like trying to explain colors to a blind person. To understand colors you got to directly experience colors. Science is a figment of consciousness. You can do science and rationality because you are in particular state of consciousness. The reality of an ant is much different to the one of a human. Well, there are much greater states of reality than the one you live in right now. You also fail to take into account states of cognitive development, the “pre/trans fallacy”, and also spiral dynamics. The human psyche evolves and grows. You can anticipate the things you can’t understand right now and will understand in the next stage. You also assume that reality is a material, physical system, which is wrong. Reality is more like a giant mind which can imagine and think up all sorts of sub realities within it, one of which being what we call physical reality. If you assume that the universe is a box with lots of objects in it, subjected to laws of physics, than your universe is very limited. You assume than consciousness comes from the brain a materialistic explanation for the universe. From the materialistic paradigm, God makes no sense. Science has never proven the existence of a external materialistic world and it never will or the existence of another human being. These things are metaphysical dogmas of science. Science just assumes that this is how it has to be, exactly what needs to be question if you want to understand God. The existence or the non existence of God seats on the very top of your web of belief, the operating system that governs your whole life. The ramification of realizing what God is are so widespread, it’ll change your entire orientation to life which is why you get so emotional about it when you discuss about the existence of God. The emotions, the dogma is there as a smoke screen to get you to not investigate for yourself. Whatever attitude you have towards God is what prevents you from understanding what God is. Are you going to surrender that attitude, or are you going to cling and defend it at all costs. If you say you don’t have an attitude and don’t want to open yourself to some kind of brainwash, that’s an attitude, and this is exactly why you will never understand God. Have you ever experienced God for yourself? That is very different than believing in God. Have you ever experience that there is no God? For the atheists, just because you haven’t experienced God yet, doesn’t mean that there is no God. For the theists, don’t confuse your beliefs in God with the actual experience. Are you directly conscious of God right at this second? Even if you experience mystical experiences in the past, you don’t really know what it is, all you got are memories and pleasant stories, interpretations which are very different from actual consciousness of God. The misconceptions of God: -The biggest one being that God is a belief. -A superstitious, religious notion, wishful thinking, a defense mechanism that naive people adopt in order to avoid facing death, wishing for an afterlife, wishing for more meaning in their life than there really is, a defense mechanism against the nihilism of reality. It is true that a lot of people do use it as a crutch to face some tough philosophical realities, but that is not the origin of the notion of God. -God is a bearded man in the sky. God is not a man, a she and not even a thing. -God is incompatible with science, evolution and advanced society. Both can be true, this what the trans-rational stage is about. -God has rules that you must follow, that God punishes evil doers and sinners, that your role in life is not to be a sinner. God doesn’t punish nor judge anyone. You are given total freedom, if you want to be a murder or a rapist, God is fine with it. You have to separate cultural norm and morality from God. -God is exclusive to one religion. My religions has one right God and all the others are wrong, no religion has a monopoly on God. All religions talk about the same one God, their apparent diversity depends on your interpretations of them, even polytheists religions like hinduism relate to the same one God. -God is other than you. How can God be me? How can God be other than you? To notice that, you will have to change how you conceive of yourself and also how you conceive God to bring those two things together. If I’m God how come I can’t create things out of thin air? Because you are in this limited human form, God is all about limitation. So what is God? -God is the supreme being, the first cause, the source of all creations, the universe, the multiverse, everything. God is infinite, boundless, the All, the One, the Absolute, God is also omniscient, all knowing, omnipotent, having unlimited power and the ability to create anything that it wants, God is also omnipresent, benevolent, all loving and good, incorporeal, eternal and immortal, perfect and complete. All of it is correct. The problem is accepting it and understanding how it can possibly be. Leo has through direct experience validated all of these facets. -God is a radical state of consciousness but at the same time, God is all state of consciousness. God is not restricted to one state of consciousness, but in this state of consciousness, you are not conscious that this is a facet of God. -God is also the absence self, or You. God is you and the absence of you, both are the case, that is a paradox. God is the absence of you as your limited egoic identity. The thing that you think that was born, that has a life story, the you that you think as a creature, the biological you, that you is a false conceptual self. If you get rid of that thing, you will realize and experience yourself as God. What remains of you is nothing, you experience yourself as pure emptiness. When we strip all qualities of you, all that remains is a state of pure and empty consciousness or awareness, and that’s what God is. This is You with a capital “Y” different from the conventional “you”, the biological you, that thing has to die to realize God. You are the obstacle. You want to see God, and the thing that in the way of you seeing God is yourself. -God is also synonymous with reality, existence and truth. In that sense, atheists call their God reality, nature or existence. The problem is that atheists are not conscious of what reality, existence or nature actually are. God is the word you use to describe what your experience is when you become conscious of what nature and reality are. It’s conscious and divine. Atheists treat reality as mechanical system, God or reality is not a mechanical system, it’s a giant mind, and that’s what you are missing as an atheist. So as an atheist, you have created a false God for yourself, the mechanical reality, an external, objective reality that human being can study with science. That thing doesn’t exist, you invited it, that is your God, the thing that you cling to, just like the fundamentalists cling to their notions of God as the bearded man in the clouds. -God is consciousness, that thing in you which is conscious of existence. The problem is that atheist, rationalist, materialists think of consciousness as a thing that the brain does, that consciousness exists within a physical-mechanical universe. But that’s not what consciousness is, there is only consciousness, there is no mechanical-physical universe, all of that is content within consciousness. Consciousness is disembodied. Consciousness is not a computer simulation, it is not happening in the brain. Brains, computer simulations, big bangs, universes, science and rationality, all of that is content within consciousness. How does the consciousness occur? Consciousness is singular and has no opposite and that it is pure magic. There is no rational explanation for it, demystifying it is exactly what materialist are looking for, and that’s impossible. -God is Being. What is Being? Everything is Being! So how come I can’t see it? Because you are not interfacing directly with Being, you are interpreting Being all the time. Your interpretations create a smoke screen that prevents you form directly experiencing Being. You see the world as being made out of trees and cars and animals etc… but it’s not. What’s actually there is pure Being but you are making sense of it such that it helps you in your survival. -God is now. It’s the only thing that exists. Not the past, not the future. What is now? You can’t put your finger on it. God is the one thing that can’t be pointed to, because the thing that is pointing to God is God itself. If God is everything it means that it can’t be pointed to, it is prior to interpretations, prior to the mind. The process of understanding it, is itself in the way of having it. You can’t know that you are God because you are God. Knowledge is already one step too far, you need to BE God. -God is non-duality, is boundless. There are no categories that we create, good/bad, male/female, here/there, God is the unification of all those qualities. Those distinctions do exist but at the same time are all unified as one. To become conscious of the oneness of reality, which you are also a part of, is to become conscious of God! God is his own creation. All what is happening right now is oneness, that is God, the whole universe is one movement. -God is a strange loop, it created itself. Using conventional logic, such thing is impossible, but God is not limited to logic, it has infinite power that includes the power to create itself. It is an elegant solution to the solve the problem of where does existence comes from. If God created the big bang for example, if you need one object to create another, the logic of cause and effect goes on forever, but not if God itself is infinity and accounts for every possibility and therefor, it did create itself. -God exist for eternity, it created itself but also simultaneously has always existed and never needed creation. You need direct experience of God to understand this. Leo experienced how he designed his own body, including every hair and every molecule. -God is absolute infinity, there is nothing outside of it. -God is everything and nothing, your body is God, your thoughts are God but God is also not any of that. How can both be true at the same time? You need to become conscious of that. Because God is consciousness and consciousness is not a thing, it is not located anywhere. And a thing that is not located anywhere is actually the same as everything. To be nothing is to be everything and to be everything is to be nothing. In the vacuum of empty space there is a hammer, you might think that where the hammer is, there is no vacuum. Vacuum doesn’t mean it is empty of objects, vacuum is empty also when there are objects in it. You don’t think of it that way because you think dualistically. -God is the answer to all mystical, metaphysical and philosophical questions. God is not an answer of any scientific questions. How can anything about this be true? the answer is, it just is, Truth can’t be proven, Truth just is. It’s our job to stop the cycle of endless justification and trying to find reasons an explanations. At some point we have to accept it as it is. You can’t get beyond or underneath consciousness because there is nothing there, it just is. What does God look or feel like? -God feels like awakening from a dream. That means that all the physical world you are experiencing right now, the walls, the earth and so on is just a figment of your imagination. That does not mean that you have the power to think the floor out of existence. Imagination encompasses actually all of reality, not only when you are in thinking mode. This very moment is being imagined, it does not exist anywhere, it’s been imagined by God and God is nothing. This moment is an imagination within the mind of God but also identical with the mind of God. The physical machinery of God is identical to consciousness or the mind. God’s brain or mind is this very moment. -God feels like dying, as a culture what we have labeled death is actually God. We named the realization of God, death. When you die, you become God. The only thing that is going to die is your idea of physical reality and the idea of you as a biological self, nothing real is going to die. In a sense, there is no such thing as death. Death is a concept that you have imagined. God is infinite, it cannot die, it has no place to go. -God feels like a total surrender, whatever the universe wants to do, you just do that. -God feels like the biggest mindfuck ever, OMG, wow, awesome and terrifying. -God feels like exiting the matrix, it simultaneously leaves you in the matrix and transforms the matrix and you cannot talk about it otherwise people think you are insane. -God feels like a metaphysical orgasm and cosmic holographic fractal, the universe is being aware through your eyes, the universe is using you like a puppet. -God feels like a universal mind like idealism and solipsism. Idealism is the opposite of materialism or realism. It tells us that there is only mind stuff. Solipsism tells us that there is no such thing as other sentient entities, there is only you. As God you are all alone, oneness necessarily implies loneliness. The reason it has to be one is because it is infinite. -God feels like emptiness and nothingness. This emptiness feels light, radiant and full. -God feels like infinite intelligent. The universe is not random, it not chaotic, it deliberately designed using disembodied infinite intelligence. -God feels like infinite beauty and profound peace, it feels like times stops, like eternity. -God feels like immortality, when you realize there is no biological creature or a brain that is creating all this, then you realize that you are immortal as God. If you are identified with your body and your biography, that will of course die, in that sense you are scared of death. If you are identified with all of existence, that can’t die. What about the big Crunch theory? Leo talks about existence, not only our universe. -God feels also like the greatest gift, the greatest joy, like heaven or Nirvana. -God feels like infinite love, divine, radiant, magical and alive. The entire universe is alive, it’s sentient and conscious. When you realize that, that changes how you relate to the universe. You have a broader notion of what life is. -God feels like not knowing, like a irreductible mystery. You can’t know God, you can be God, knowing is always indirect. -God feels like the greatest moment of your life, life will never be the same. Why is God so confusing? -God is a level of consciousness, most people don’t appreciate that there are different levels of consciousness and they never access higher levels of consciousness and therefor they try to understand something that is beyond them. -God is formless and can’t be pointed to when the mind only can deal with forms. Science only works with forms. It is precisely because God is all forms that you can’t see it. -God is beyond the mind. There is the inherent assumption that if something exists, is true and is significant, then you just can think about it, understand it and believe in it. But we use our mind to understand things inside the universe, we never ask our minds to go beyond the universe. Scientific questions are about the content of one state of consciousness. Existential questions are about consciousness itself, not the content, but the context. Science can’t see that the science is being done inside of a dream. -God is a total mindfuck, most people don’t like to get mindfucked, it’s scary -God is a deep paradox and a strange loop. Paradox threatens the conceptual castles that we build within philosophy or even within science. Paradox threaten the illusion of simple cause and effect, the linear explanation of how existence works. -God requires radical open-mindedness. Most people are closed-minded, they are not willing to open their mind to radical ideas. Are you open minded enough to accept death and to see it as a good thing, or to see your parents and your friends as creation of your imagination and that they don’t really exist? -People are not willing to do existential investigations because they already assume that they know. For religious people, their biggest obstacle to God is their ideas about God, it’s the same for atheists. -God is confusing because people are egotistical and arrogant. God conflicts with ego, control and survival. God requires surrendering your ego and control, taking energy and time away to chasing money, sex, power and material luxuries. God is the opposite of survival, Truth can inhibit your survival. -God requires facing your own death, not just as an idea but actually facing it. -God cannot be symbolized, put into words or be communicated. These words are pointers, but you can’t see God with words, nor can you draw a picture or put God into some equations. Equations are finite, God is infinite, you can’t put infinity into an equation because your equation is itself part of infinity, you can’t put the larger into the smaller. -Very few people have direct experience of God, it requires thousands of hours of meditation and contemplation, various form of inquiry and investigation. -Our culture, medias and society are very materialistic. -Metaphysics and epistemology aren’t taken seriously in the educational system, it should be the foundation of all education. -The success of science creates a false illusion of existential understanding. Creating technology and existential understanding are two different things. -The foundations of science are misunderstood. -God doesn’t seem possible or even practical. What you can get out of this is the obstacle. It is looking at reality from your personal egoic point of view. -Reality is subjective and relative. Pre-rational and rational people have a hard time dealing with relativity. The very substance of existence is relative, atoms and molecules are relative to your own mind. They don’t exist for other creatures but for you. The subjective nature of reality is denied by science and most people. Objective reality is just a concept within your subjective conscious experience. There is nothing objective about the universe, it’s pure subjectivity, pure relativity. -The mind is self-deceptive. -Skepticism is misuse. You think that proof should be delivered to you, taking the responsibility away from you to do the hard work and to discover the Truth. Leo is not trying to prove anything here, he is just presenting you with possibilities of things that you can verify for yourself. A true skeptics puts his skepticism to the test and questions his own assumptions. Could it be that skepticism itself is just a self deception that prevents you from doing the work that leads you to higher states of consciousness beyond skepticism? -God reveals everything to be an illusion: society, culture, governments, language, religions, science, logic, rationality, your own birth, your biography, your parents, your friends etc… can you deal with that? -It threatens power hierarchies, from religion, to business, economic, political and social system. They are all build on illusions, false justifications. Trying to ground its power in some sort of fixed position in reality which doesn’t exist. Mankind but especially the one on the top of the power hierarchy justify their power through their appeal to God, the truth or the fairness, the goodness or whatever. When they do that, it’s always the ego at work. Tyrants always play the games of illusions, trickery and deceptions. -Once you know God, no one will understand you, you will not be able to communicate with anyone other than the people who already experienced it, which is irrelevant because they already know. The trickery of God is a work of art. What are the various names for God? There are many aspects to God, some of these words points to different facets of God some other words point to the whole thing. God, enlightenment, awakening, oneness, the All, the One, Godhead, nothingness, Truth, non-duality, the absolute, ego death, infinity, absolute infinity, self-transcendence, self-realization, consciousness, awareness, presence, the Now, Being, existence, reality, isness, liberation, moksha, no-Self, true-Self, the Self, Universe, Universal mind, Mind, Spirit, Wakan Tanka (Sioux), revelation, illumination, Theosis, Kenosis, ecstasy, rebirth, Holy Spirit, Nosis, Agape, Brahman, Atman, the void, emptiness, nirvana, Yoga, union, Buddha mind, no mind, kensho (chinese-japanese buddhism), satori (chinese buddhism), stream entry, the groundless ground, the gateless gate, the Ox, Prajnia, shuniata, Bodhi, Mu, Shiva, Rigpa, Krishna, Samadhi, sat chit ananda, Allah, Taohid, Fana Al-Fana’a, the greater Djhihad, Jehovah, Om, I Am, tat tvam asi, Hashem, Deus, Zeus, Teotl (aztecs), supreme Being, Lord, Creator, the all seeing eye. How do you experience God? -Metaphysical questioning, so questioning in a lot of depth the fabric of existence and what knowledge is. -Deconstructing your entire life and belief system, until nothing remains -Self inquiry -Meditation (adding some deconstruction of some kind) -Concentration and visualization, build crazy high level of focus -Yoga, Kriya Yoga -Psychedelics -Deep suffering and deprivation (fasting, isolation) -Meditation retreats and solo retreats -Dark room retreats for 7 days (natural psychedelics) What are the way not to experience God? -Through the mind, beliefs, ideas, concept, thinking, opinions, imagination, knowledge or language. God is prior to all that. -Through scientific modeling, equations, theorizing. -Through proof or double blind clinical studies. Your experience of God have to be subjective, you have to be involved in it. -Through debate, discussion, cynical skepticism, academic study. It is possible to have epiphanies while studying scriptures and sacred texts but it should be used only as an adjunct to your other work. -Going to church or through traditional prayer where you pray for God for your egotistical goals and plans. But certain prayers are quiet meditative and can help you in that sense. -Through rituals and ceremonies. -Through books, videos, audios, although they can be helpful on your journey. You don’t want to do the stuff that works, precisely because your ego is afraid of death, it’s too frightening to do technics that are actually powerful. So you’d rather do weak technics by design of the ego. You need to open your mind to Samadhi (direct consciousness or Being), not through knowledge or concepts, thoughts or theory not even through ordinary experience because it presupposes a subject/object duality between the experiencer and the experienced thing. Samadhi is a collapsing of those, it’s a non-dual form of perception or knowledge. Your actual form of perception is grounded in your materialist metaphysics, you being a biological entity looking at an object, photons reaching your eyeball, the information goes to your brain and produce perception. But there is something beyond perception, beyond knowledge. Samadhi is not hallucination nor fantasy, is not scientific data. Psychedelics are the only tool that lets you access these very advance truth very quickly. On 30mg of 5MEO-DMT most people will experience God, but you got to experience it for yourself to make it significant to you.

@tedens I follow Isha's path which i shared my experiences many times in this forum over and over. Isha path involves everything from creating a blissful life, health, material success, to moving into deeper states of detachment and nothingness, and then the last stage is about samyama which is purely to dissolve yourself. Once sadhguru initiates you into samyama it will unleash a lifetimes of memory to dissolve you very fast. Life will begin to roll on fast forward. "Once you sit with me, one foot of mine will always be in your life, it's heavy and it's on the throttle (laughs)"… "Life on full throttle" #sadhguru. That's his favorite quote Sadhguru'a methods are really beoynd logic. It's really an amazing path, complete path and very comprehensive path. I didn't go to the samyama program so I'm still not on the path of Mukti. I don't feel ready for this. I enjoy immensly my progress just as it is. Never grown so fast in my life. When the time comes, when i feel ready for samyama I'll go for it naturally. So i don't have anything to tell you really Sadhguru says a desire for samyama or Mukti can only come for happy people. For those people who experienced this life in great meassure and now want to go beoynd. That's the whole effort of the first programs. To create a blissfulness inside you and to live life intensly so that the desire to go beyond would arise in them. then there's the last program designed just for that purpose. "Suffering will not seek" #sadhguru

@Nahm i understand that I'm consciousness ever present, ever perfect, etc... I'm not arguing with you at all. All you say i agree. But you simply don't know anything about karma. That's why it's a pointless conversation. @AstralProjection somethingness is always limited. all the magic powers, all immortality is something and somethingness is always limited. There's no other way. It's unbrakeable logic to say only nothingness has no limits. It's impossible for this to be false. Yeah i was hard on him but i wish i was even harder because his full of bull. No.... Advanced spiritual masters dont disagree with themselfs. Only fools and phylosophiers like tom come up with random statements which make no sense. He even uses words like "I think"… "i guess" "that's my opinion" like that... He's just a random phylosopher. A guru is not a phylosopher, guru knows life inside out from experience. What a guru says is not ant opinions it's a fountain of truth. There are scriptures written thousands of years ago by realized beings and since then nothing changed at all, nothing new has been sayed. Everything that could happen here and beyond is all written down and it stayed the same until now . If two spiritual masters disagree then one of them is a fake guru who knows nothing at all. Basic logic... Either you know the truths of life or you're speculating about life and are unwilling to say idk. Truth is the same for everyone. If both know the truth they will not argue.

You have a long way to go. Look at the ascended angels they are not nothing, they work through the power of God. Gods will becomes their will. Do you want to see someone that attained immortality his name is John Chang, or electric eel man. And even this guy admits that we have undreamed of powers. And I assure you that these powers are are not nothingness. John Chang - Mo Pai Nei Kung I know about Tom Campbell he's a highly advanced astral projector and ex-NASA physicist. As you advance spiritually you realize that even advanced teachers disagree with each other on some of the more abstract spiritual ideas. Don't hold that against him. He's doing the best he can with what he's learned spiritually.

That's impossible. Once you're aware that you're limited, you will want to brake that boundary. No one can be satisfied living in bondage, the desire is always to become limitless. Thats the ultimate law of consciousness. It's never satisfied until it become boundless. You can never find full fullfilment with any experience. Because every state is limited doesn't matter how beautiful it appears to be. Only nothingness has no limits. To be limitless one has to become nothing, cease to exist forever, cease all cycles of birth and death. It's a longing that every human being has. That's not how it goes. People who are suffering they don't seek mukti. They only seek pleasure and happyness. They want fancy nondual experience, to be free from the torture of the mind. But they don't want to dissolve no no no Only those people who tasted this life totally. Who are blissful always, only for those people a desire to cease to exist arises in them. A desire to become boundless arises in them. Untill then every spiritual seeker just pretends to seek liberation when in fact they just wants happyness and be free from suffering. When you reach happyness then the next desire becomes cease to exist, become boundless, Mukti. "Suffering will not seek" #sadhguru

Sounds good man. When you do a day of meditation try this practice at some point along the way. You may find it highly effective. Just the fact that you are watching your thoughts is a huge step in the right direction. It's surprising how many ppl go through an entire life never questioning what are thoughts or where do thoughts come from. Try taking that one step further. Not only observe thoughts as they arise but follow them back to their very source. This is where you will discover the ground state of being. The infinite nothingness. Have fun!

@Monkey-man Being in a non-dual state doesn't mean much. You can experience or "be conscious of" nothingness, unity, god, whatever. However. Your mind is conditioned. You have plenty of karma. Even people who've had the changes in perception that get called enlightenment can have plenty of psychological issues. You may say everything is one, or see it to some extent, but your behaviour can still be self-serving in many ways. Purification doesn't just happen with an enlightenment experience, or spending time in a non-dual state. It is a long process requiring a certain drive and openness. You can reach a non-dual state and close off, pretend everything is perfect and that you have no flaws, and that there's nothing more to do, remaining stuck like that indefinitely.

THE FEELING OF NOTHINGNESS “When the Work says that a man must come to realize his own nothingness before he can be re-born, it does not mean that he must humble himself and so on, but that he must by long self-observation actually begin to realize that he is nothing and that there is no such person as himself. The object of this is to get into a position, psycho- logically speaking, between the opposites...Why is it so important to get somewhere into the centre of the pendulum and not swing to and fro? Because here, between the opposites, lie all the possibilities of growth. Here influences from higher levels can reach us. Here, in this place where one can feel one’s own nothingness (and where one is therefore free from contradictions), influences and meanings com- ing from higher centres, which have no contradictions, can be felt. Not regarding yourself as good or bad, not priding yourself on being just or otherwise, not thinking you are well-treated or badly-treated, not being caught by either movement through identifying, you come into this mid-position. This is not easy! With personality active, it is impossible. - Maurice Nicoll

@Dima logach I've been doing it since Leo released the video about it last year. I still consider myself a beginner. However, I have had some amazing, deep experiences from the concentration that have partially transformed me and given me real long-lasting hits outside of the yoga of personal peace and contentment. Furthermore, I feel like I have cultivated a healthier connection to the divine and permanence of mystical states. It feels more comprehensive than a lot of zen buddhist stuff I have done before, but maybe I just needed a bit more cultural/semi-religious context to feel satisfied, as well as more complex body techniques. I also love the spiritual lore that goes along with it! Om kriya babaji. Praise babaji. May he help us find the divine within. Also love the chakra/prana/karma work. I know kriya will transform me totally if I keep it up. But I feel like I really need to find a trustworthy teacher by now, but J. C. Stevens' book kinda put me off. Any ideas on where to find a good teacher in the UK? There's an isha yoga center near me, should I just go to that and see? Also, happy mahashivaratri everyone - anyone else staying up and upright all night? May you enjoy the vastness of nothingness, as I am on this darkest night. May shiva, the first guru, obliterate us all into the nothingness, his greatest gift.

Yes, I am not Rupert Spira, I am communicating something INSPIRED by him, not exactly the same per se. I would be surprised if Rupert Spira used maths to communicate his ideas. It is not his spiel. Truth shines differently through different light bulbs. I see the 0 allergy again. 0 is merely a symbol meant as a pointer. Mathematical 0 is nothing but a pointer. It is not the nothingness itself. The nothingness itself doesn't exist by default - that's what it points to - non existence. Take away awareness from Me and you get non-existence. That this is impossible is due to the fact that I am the awareness, so you CANNOT take away what I am from what I am. For me this equation is helpful aid in self inquiry. As a vehicle.

I knew yesterday that it was finally my time. I was gonna smoke some weed alone, which I have never done before, and surrender completely. I went outside and sat on a bench and smoked my joint, my ego had a lot of bubbling and I laid down on the bench. My heart began pounding faster than it had ever pounded and I completely surrendered to the fact that I was going to die. I stopped holding on to anything, and the world that I thought I new crystallized into complete nothingness and everything was at the same time. I saw everything as it was and spent eternity in this place. Then suddenly I was back laying on this bench outside. I got up and went home, knowing that none of this is real. You wake up to the fact that all of this is just a play of consciousness. There is no control and no one controlliling, only experiencing. Everything is intimately interconnected, everything is pure experience, there is nothing to worry about and no one left to worry. Everything is appearing on the screen of consciousness. It is the eternal play of infinite possibilities. It is freedom.

@Wisebaxter "focusing" and "letting go" are actually the same in this instance. We are focusing on the nothingness of letting go

Yup When self-inquiry shows the temporary dissolution of ego, that is precisely what's known as a 'glimpse.' It cannot be accurately described, so some people call it infinity, and some call it nothingness, and some call it spaciousness. The I feeling is followed to get to the glimpse, which is simply a recognition of one's nature. It's called a glimpse because it seems to come and go, but actually it never comes or goes. This is making it too complicated. It's quite simple: if you're dissatisfied, if you're searching, if you want something (including enlightenment) and don't know how to get it, there is the illusory I, whether you think so or not. So you have to inquire into to whom this dissatisfaction appears. if there's effortless peace while being able to function in the world, then that is the true "I." It's not a question you ask like a factual question expecting some answer. It's focusing on the feeling... you do know that you are. You are aware of this "object within the field of consciousness." That feeling -- hold that feeling. And then ask what it is you think you are holding. You will find that if you think you are holding something, it is not the I. Because you are aware of that something, and you cannot be something of which you are aware. So then again try to hold that feeling... and again and again and again until you understand just how it is that you know that you are.

The impersonal Self (no-self) cannot experience an absence of Self. It is self aware (self knowing), self existing, with no need for anything other than itself to know itself. Absolute Nothingness is simply the absence of the objects of perception such as the external world ,universe, body, mind, thoughts, feelings,sensations,etc., Self only ever experiences Self, with or without objects. Including the imagined "conscious" personal self or "ego". Pure Consciousness is prior to the thought based/imagined (i.e, non-existent self) which claims itself to be conscious. What is aware of the nothingness,in which That itself,cannot be described as neither something nor nothing?

@winterknight Just curious, ever had or heard from anyone directly - having an infinity, or ‘nothingness’, ‘glimpse’ from self inquiry, or other practices? Or just primarily the feeling / realization? Thanks! Love this thread btw, much appreciated ♥️

Lol. You're full of bull no offence The state you're talking about is called Mukti, Nirvan, Moksha. It's a state of total dissolusion. Total dissolusion can happen only if you dissolve all karma. There's is whole system in Bhuddhism and techneques how to do that. There are interesting other methods to do that also. Like Khala Bhairava. It means ultimate suffering. It's when your guru at the moment of your death makes you experience a suffering of a thousands of lifetimes in one moment to dissolve you and liberate you. Still you see. It's about dissolving karma. There could be other methods I'm aware of but basicly unless you dissolve all the karma there's no escape for you to become absolute nothingness. Your explanation was weird. Maybe it's true idk I'm not the expert. But doesn't feel very scientific and logical.

@Highest I don't understand these terms nondual world and dual world. My theoretical understanding is either you can be in nothingness and cannot function from that state. So necessarily one has come out of nothingness to function in the world. ?

@Ethankahn Absolute Nothingness is not without experiencing on a sensory level. No sensory, no experience. What you talking about is a future thought, and idea, a concept. That is not real. Simply does not exist. Simply, is impossible to verify that.

to admire the beauty of consciousness, to use creativity to solve the worlds problems, to make some money and survive, to give my life a immaterial purpose, to challenge myself, to discover higher potentials within me, to make a career out of helping others, to create a hero's journey, to show others that life can be more than just getting a 9-5 job, to create purpose for other, or to help them find purpose in their lives, to work in a team to create ,to find practical solutions, to start up a business envoking high values, to motivate others, to enjoy my life, to find a sense of fulfillment, to do something with my life these are the reasons on which my life purpose is built is this egoic? because enlightenment shows that nothing is wrong and that instead i should be focusing on purifying myself and having a direct experience of nothingness/ finding the "I" in self inquiry and putting this first instead of going on a wild goose chase, this is the question i find that leads me to ask myself am i in the right or wrong to pursue a life purpose

I can’t sleep so I will write about something I became conscious of some 30 min back. Only GOD IS. Do you see? It came like an insight, only the non-dual One IS. This includes Everything: Infinity, nothingness, all of existence and life. Everything. Only the non-dual Infinite One (God) is. All of reality and existence and experiences is God. What can I say, it just clicked: There is only God, only God alone IS. I became directly aware of It and at the same time I became conscious that It (God) is the only existent, the only thing (or rather no-thing) that IS.

@Mikael89 That’s however not how I know that I am God. I’m directly aware and conscious that I am God, this came about from several NON-dual experiences and awakenings, both sober and high. The God I’m conscious of is Everything: Infinity, finite, nothingness, everything. The God I’m conscious of is a metaphysical fact, I’m conscious that only It alone exists and is everything, whatever it is. You can doubt that I am God, that comes from you still living in illusion and not being conscious. I know what I am and nothing can change that.

@Karas "you" is a label. A pointer. Pointing towards that which cannot be pointed towards. Nobody. Nothingness. The answer is not occuring. The answer simply is. And it is not an answer unless it answers your question. Whatever it appears to be; it comes straight from nowhere.

Of course not. No such thing as "apart" from anything. Absolute Nothingness is God; premanifested. Formlessness is the true form of God. Of all there is.