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Good to hear, you agree. I was kind of worried about bashing the ego too much of trying to make sense and meaning out of a dream. So what is your stance about it when someone says, it is just the ego trying to hold on to a "belief" or a concept and that it all collapses into nothingness anyway. Maybe nothingness is the Fundamental, but the beliefs our egos have, they surely are trying to solve the mystery of life on earth after all or is this also just a concept and narrrative the ego creates? At the end the ego and the mind are also not separate of God, they are god too and God would need an ego to solve its own mysteries? Can it be that God is so mysterious and doesn't even know its own mysteries and needs to go and find out? And how does this mysterous force (be it god creating mysteries) create the mystery of each specific life and the whole world, in our case the earth now? Does god want to learn something in addition to its infinite knowledge? If god incarnates itself into an innocent young boy that is raised by an abusive alcoholic father in a ghetto, surely god cannot just pretend to simply "be" but he is having a challenging life whixh could be a mystery in why such situation occured. Maybe its for god to learn something in addition. Another good mystery to be solved indeed is the origins of the human beings. How did we come here on earth? Ancient texts say it was through ET inteligence. I mean why? What did God think of this mysterious mixture of Et and why do these ET not have contact with us. The darwin theory was so much more smooth to believe and not mysterious at all

@mandyjw I use different terminology but I have basically first done the heroes journey (awakening to nothingness) and now am making the grail path (perhaps you could call it a chakra cleansing or bodily awakening). I have heard about people doing it the other way around so I think it's legit. What has your path looked like?

For me liberation is staying as Nothingness forever with no distinctions. Who needs maya filled with devils. Devils rewarded Angels fucked up and destroyed.

@ajasatya Some Clarification. You as person do not die it only appears that way. Since you Are Conciousness it only change apparent state from Awareness/Dream of how it is not to be God/Vacation/me and world that Thing collapses into Pure Void/Nothingness/Infinite Potential Vortex/Infinite Love. So very much God realization/Enlightenment is death before death. Do not wish to lie People, For enlightenment you will experence death of your Awareness and it feels that way.

What I mean by that comparison isn’t so much related to the paranormal stuff he can do, although you can read accounts of the miracles he’s worked that equate to the stories of Christ and Buddha (and many others - those are just mainstream examples) - and yes I mean the ones people may think are impossible. I leave that out because you can meet many other yogis in India who can perform those sorts of miracles (and that doesn’t make them enlightened - siddhis have nothing to do with enlightenment nor are they only possible from enlightenment). When I make a statement saying he is a modern equivalent to Buddha or Christ, what I’m saying is the level of mastery it takes (and it took 3 lifetimes for him) to take these teachings to the world in the way that he’s doing and with the responsibility and integrity that he’s doing it with. When I say “the level of mastery”, don’t confuse that to “levels of enlightenment” because enlightenment is devoid of levels. The Truth, God, or Godhead, Emptiness, The Self, Nothingness, etc. is devoid of any qualities, much less conceptual levels or stages. As said by Zen masters “there are no masters of Zen.” The question is how much purification is done on the person on an emotional level, energetic level, moral level, etc. The way he is as a person and what he’s doing is just a more cognitively, conceptually, intellectually advanced version of those like Muhammad, Buddha, Christ, Mahavira, etc. Again, you can meet people today who can do the things Buddha, Christ, etc. did and even are similar as a person. But how developed are they in their cognition, values, etc.? Not that developed relative to the modern day believe it or not.

So there is no such thing as causation, merely that universal consciousness decided to make it look that way? Each moment, Willed into being from scratch, not building on previous occurrence but always deciding anew to Be? 'Exist' as defined by the way we use it to describe the existence of other people in other countries we aren't in right now. I was debating this with my dad who has had mystical experiences himself and he cant wrap his mind around the fact that there is only now. He keeps saying but what about the scars I have on my arm? And he loves to disagree with the idea of nothingness too lol. @Nahm If you made a reality out of magic, the only thing you would not be able to isolate, is magic. (thanks, love this)

If you're just stuck in a mental loop of thoughts and going exponentially exhausted/crazy, you could try to "lose yourself" in some videos. Unlike video games, which are interactive, watching something requires very little input, interaction and energy from you, but at the same time it can catch all of your attention. - And yes, I get why you want to come back, this "mundane" physical reality might not seem as colorful as a successful deep DMT trip in the beginning. But physicality, consistency, limitations and the illusion of time are a few of the greatest aspects of creation. In "DMT-land" you are shown raw pure creation coming out of nothingness with infinite potential to be anything, constantly flowing into infinite new possibilities. But the consistency of this universe is one of the most magical and beautiful parts of it, it gives creation an opportunity to make tiny stories with meaning for deeper entertainment. You can see a tree on a hill, take your time to walk over, have even more time to touch and feel every single leaf. Have children and watch them grow and experience with the story of them being the same being. Create worlds with trillions of cogs and beings interacting with each other. Existence being a gallery, the limitations of this universe gives us the opportunity to create a type of art only possible through this separation and limitation. Hopefully you are not so out of your mind from exhaustion that you can't finish reading a sentence without forgetting what the beginning of it was

What i seemed to notice once on an LSD trip was that my sense of self was being created directly out of fear, and that fear had a tension within the physical body that was associated with it. As i came down i noticed how, like an onion, from an experience of almost nothingness, layers of tension stacked on to one another. First came the fear of death, which became the self, then i noticed another wave of tension be created which created desire. What I'm now having trouble doing is letting go of all the tension that is associated with those things, because it seemed that just being able to rid the tension associated physically would allow it to contract and disappear. How can i effectively reduce all tensions within sensory experience and the physical body?

The true question is not whether there is choice, the true question is what choice is. Choice must be causeless and thus choice must originate from a causeless cause. The causeless cause is god, the nothingness, or infinite potential, which manifests potentiality/nothigness into actuality/limitation. The ego is a cause, caused by the causeless cause. There is no control in choice, there can be no control in choice, because to control would be to limit, and to limit would be to not be a choice. Choice is free will, and free will is not controlled by anyone, certainly not what you call the structure of identification operating in mind. Free will is defined by it's freedom, it is defined by the causeless cause. So the answer is no. You do not make choices, because the making of choice would mean the causing of a cause. Choice is causeless, it directly connected to Nothingness. Therefore, choices are not made, choices are the nature of the way actuality manifests itself into limited being. A choice is the opposite of control, the opposite of ego, the opposite of limitation. A choice is love. All of manifestation has it's root in choice, and thus a root in love. All this non-sense of making choices are egos claiming to be the cause of existence itself. The cause of existence is pure love, not ego. If you make a choice, you are the cause of the choice. The reality is that it is the other way around. You are caused by the choice! The choice has no cause. Don't believe me, just look at it. It's utterly obvious.

I am going to ape Leo here, so Leo said in a few videos actually that God made Himself and you can become conscious of it. That is how powerful infinite intelligence is and is one of God's or the absolutes facets. Nothing is what made God or there is nothing before God as i understand it, so nothingness is God but not the nothingness that you think of.

I think both perspectives may be correct. The Absolute as absolute nothingness, from which all concepts arise, including love. The Truth prior to all concepts. Or the other perspective, the Absolute as nothing and everything at once, creation as Love. "Wisdom is knowing I am nothing, Love is knowing I am everything, and between the two my life moves."

@Mikael89 nothingness is like 20% of the truth. So i mean yeah he's 100% of that 20% truth is the most radical thing because of self-deception.

Basically its inescapable, nothingness still resides inside of the real truth because it need it's own molecule to run reality. Hence all positions are relative, however, they're false equivalencies. so realistically there is no difference between nothingness and something -ness. Its what ever reality you design for yourself. Not as an individual, you are existing among other individuals, who also belong to the same design. you can only understand "god" through understanding paradox's. The only possible truths that exist for all of us. Which includes nothingness and somethingness as one of them. Which can only be done after becoming nothingness, in some enlightenment experience. its total for all of us. the fact its total in our whole reality makes it believable that it's completely total. and so forth. so why is there still a difference in totality for some enlightened beings and not other the answer is: paradox's. creating a frame work for paradox's puts us all in the same place. because it equalises our direct experiences, to then do scientific research for subjective experiences. interesting lol. because absolutes are true under all circumstances, its tricky, countering self-deception with self-deception

That's right, enlightenment is generally not useful. Enlightenment is the transcendence of survival, value, right/wrong, meaning, usefulness, etc. That's also right. Love is ultimately where all this no-self business leads. Absolute Self Love is the end result of profound enlightenment. If you were truly able to Self-Love, you'd conquer every demon in the world. - - - - - - - - - The realization of no-self is very important. It doesn't contradict Self Love. These are two sides of the same coin. So don't turn this into a false choice. Realize no-self. Realize The Self. Realize God. Realize Love. Realize Infinity. Realize Nothingness. Then you will be ready to save the world.

As we begin to talk about the absolute words are not enough. On the one hand there is no qualities. Pure as you say. Nothingness. But pure is also a quality. Having no quality is also a quality. On the other hand the absolute is infinite. The world is the absolute so it also has an infinite number of qualities. You and I is a quality within it.

@AakashBlack hole, Nothingness might sound on paper really Dark and sad but it is quite the oposite. That's what you really are.

That is pretty funny cuz i also had an awakening experience to the no-self or in other words the nothingness doing just 2 days self-inquiry. If i manged to surrender to the nothingness i might became awakened.

@Anna1 I agree... we are always aware of some experience or no experience at all, nothingness.

I prayed my whole life to God to give me wisdom. Wisdom is that love is all there is. I want to learn to speak the language of love. I want to clearly channel it. Are we allowed to build the tower of Babel now? Have we been scattered long enough? I have such a deep desire to share this love and bliss. But it's so easily misinterpreted, so easily glossed over and thrown away. For he who has ears to hear, hear. For him who's heart is open, receive and give love for both are one. We could dissolve into beautiful nothingness together.

If the entire point of creation is God splitting itself into everything that is, if everything is an illusion for God's entertainment, wouldn't an appreciate of the fantasies and a love of the illusion be aligning yourself with the purpose of God? I agree with your view point though, first everything has to be dropped before it can picked back up again, consciously. Otherwise you don't see through the illusion, you're stuck in it. The spiritual ego is a trap everyone has to work though. We usually describe it as a trap but I think a better description is that it's a gatekeeper. The more I try to embrace the everythingness of life the more I see the nothing, the more I try to embrace the nothingness the more I see the everything. The description of God and existence as love, fits the best. Love is neither a thing nor a no thing, and love is all there is.

The irony is funny isn't it how do we persuade an enlightened being his god is not the only highest truth. it is the highest truth, just not the only one This is how counter-intuitive nature it is. you can't because they're pretty uncooperative beings as a collective. Those one's who follow buddhist and advita traditions, and live in hardcore nothingness. Funnily enough My consciousness god and your nothing-enlightened god are actually one and the same. The stupidity of religion reforming correctly. The sad thing about the religious warfare that will form because it comes back to faith and belief. The only problem is that the true god is unaware of himself and therefore it is a closed system. With the current rules of the game he's made and that it. The cycle repeats and new things to be discovered. Except unlike enlightenment its not provable. Infact the way to prove it is to have various enlightened beings, which i never expected to happen until the rise of an enlightened society, which is infact as planned. Actualised.org forum is basically a society as i said 2 months ago Relitivistic, me telling you this, doesn't change the timeline much because what's the odds this post or any of my posts are remembered years from now. There isn't so the process will continue and people will always hunt out the abosolute and god. Kinda how were realising now that ancient civilisations 3000-6000 years ago had discovered absolute infinity. The process will repeat again

@Nahm Yes, it is interesting indeed. I also read some gnostic books where they make a distinction between God and Jehovah. When they say God they are talking about the Void or Nothingness, the Absolute or God without attributes and they say it is something that is Superior to the "God Creator" (Jehovah). And Jehovah they consider him like bad, like the God of the Old Testament who judges and want sacrifices and stuff like that. I feel like it is a mix between what hinduism calls Maya. Not the same, but something close. Like Jehovah creates reality, it's the tool that God (The Absolute) has to know itself, but he doesn't really need it. He does it because he can, or because he is. But is all like the Old Zen saying, about the blind monks and the elephant. Anyway I think is interesting if you understand it like Leo says with "Radical Openmindedness".

This is a very controversial topic. However, there are only two HIGHEST forms of truth The introduction The issue is that knowledge itself is an impossibility. Therefore to determine high degrees of knowledge it is as simple as this NEW KNOWLEDGE new knowledge is the highest form of truth, in other words, new consciousness levels after the break down of non-dual and duality. Skewed towards the duality end of the paradox. In this current period of time... it is finding new spiritual levels, in my experience it is either the path of contemplation or the path of psychedelics. There is a catch-22 like all of absolute infinity is, the double-edge sword and that is that you will have experience, you will suffer etc.. its the path of continuous progress of consciousness. The stipulation is, that it must be constant. This is overall the first form of truth. The second highest truth is enlightenment. I've thought this through... But i have to apologise to the non-duelists for saying that god is everything +nothing. I've come to realise, the highest form of enlightenment is seeing everything as an illusion. There is no debating this. If your version of enlightenment contains any form of everything and really were talking about anything then it is not the highest form of truth. The catch-22 or double-edge sword of enlightenment is the loss of experience and the lack of human-ness in such a being. The explanation To explain it we will have to look at the trinity 2 3 1 The 1 = you and 2 and 3 = Two or duality pair the reason i bring this back to knowledge and the mind is because, the mind can only ground itself in one answer. This is what any one person grounds themselves in their version of highest truth. What this means is that, 1 needs to either favour 2 over 3 and 1 needs to take 1 out the way, therefore eliminating the duality pair. The actual truth is that 1, 2 and 3 get eliminated completely, So the highest truth is actually an impossibility. The removing of "1 or you" still actually leaves 2 and 3 STILL THERE. This is enlightenment. "When the human in the limited infinite-finite section becomes enlightened, the world still goes on realistically" This very statement itself is the opposing statement of somone who has decided to give up 1 and ignore 2 and 3 basically. Typically, 2 and 3 are seen as illusions ideally. This is the result of giving up your authority to the true god particle. This is bringing non-duality into duality to collapse it. Making this the first form of the highest truth The second form is the highest truth is the merger of 1 with 2 and 3. This is the proclaiming of yourself the only infinite-finite ,incomplete-complete god particle. This is bringing duality into non-duality to collapse it. This is ANY form of non-dual awareness, typically with simple stage turquoise non-dual awareness being the least highest degree of this truth. This is knowing you are 1, but 1 = 2 + 3 therefore there is no difference and the equations turns to 1=2=3. Therefore collapsing the whole trinity The conclusion What you have to understand is your mind actively wants to use one to ground itself and it's direct experience. Whether that's no experience and an illusion or experience and grounding in god. The trinity itself needs you to pick one to be the truth. The third way to break it down is 2 = 1 + 3 3 = 2 + 1 therefore 1= 2 =3 and 1 does not equal 2 which does not equal 3 Solving the issue of the highest truth forever What you must understand is that its an impossibility to see them as EXACTLY THE SAME - TWO HIGHEST TRUTHS POSSIBLE, without understanding both of them itself. Absolute infinity will not bend to your wishes in any form. You have your free will to exercise to decide which one you wish to have as your highest truth. They are like i'm saying EXACTLY EQUAL in highest truth. However, you will dispute me on it and automatically say its not, because your mind must choose one! and therefore you have to go outside of the highest truths to the third option and equal them, before cycling back around to your chosen 2 or 3 for you. The simple difference, is you are god-- just in different ways. enlightenment is not the Single and ONLY highest truth The message The TRINITY is UNBREAKABLE and EXISTS no matter what way you look at it, while you are stuck in your finite form of being. The truth is YOU are the only god, YOU are not Absolute infinity, BUT absolute infinity is you. This is the highest trinity in words possible. So choose wisely. Getting blindly roped into enlightenment without a foundation understanding of what it represents, is nothing more than cult behaviour by its "bespoke speakers" who haven't actually thought things through themselves first before deciding. Ultimately, they are not lying. They are right that enlightenment is the highest truth. I'm just saying it's not the only highest truth. There are only two options, which ultimately lead to the only piece of highest correct knowledge possible even if it was gathered through direct experience is.... YOU ARE GOD. this is the only thing you can ever know 100%. However, in the two highest truth one will have been actualised and the other will be actualising constantly for infinity. There is no difference between being god in absolute consciousness and being god in absolute nothingness. The paths can never cross and merge together. You must pick one. End your suffering or end your suffer by LOVE itself. If you are an enlightened being who experiences love, then you are not enlightened to the highest degree or truth. What you fail to understand is, in the highest truth there is absolute nothingness, no piece, no bliss, no nothing. (you can't talk about enlightened beings because its impossible to talk about nothing, so it's really information for non-dual beings and seekers) Opposed to this, it is infact possible to become absolute love and the most embodied dual being and maybe help out people etc. They are both the highest truth. The catch-22 is you must pick which one of the double-edged swords is your choice. And no non-dual awareness is not enlightenment and enlightenment is not absolute truth and therefore what i have said is in fact the absolute truth itself. ironically Answering The potential questions Q1. Aakash, your using your mind this is bullshit ? A. Yes, it is bullshit if you choose enlightenment as your highest truth. I'm not fighting against enlightenment being the highest truth, i'm just saying that it's not the only highest truth. Q2. what makes you qualified to come up with the absolute truth? A. I know the most about absolute infinity as i have said before Q3. How many people in the world do you have to support your claims? A. roughly around 4-5 people in alive today Q4. what does this mean for direct experience of god A. Hunting direct experience and understanding is all there is, as humans we can't do anything else. but if you want to distinguish what i'm saying for yourself, you have to travel and understand both sides. Which is best done at this current moment in time, by having an omniscient awakening. it puts a lot into context and it can only be done with contemplating and psychedelics so far. Disclaimer: I've reached my limits of posts (posts reffering to new threads, about possible insights and new theories) , i've seen after being banned for a week and looking at the conscious politics debates, that students are about 5-10 years on average away from peaking their knowledge of god. It took me around 55,000 hours of thinking and contemplation to put a good crack in the surface of the whole of god. I've been reading the questions and none of them even interest me anymore. I thought by dragging everyone else up, it would be more fun to debate and find new solution and problems. However, its heavily counter-productive when there are two highest truths on one forum. They counter each other and people are obviously going to choose the one which ends your suffering. Leaving on probability one person every 15 years to pick the second highest truth. I have no animosity to anyone, i wish you all well what ever option you pick. However, i have no interest in being constantly banned for help raise that one in 15 year student against the storm of enlightenment. Especially, when no-one is in the wrong in the light of what is the highest truth and this is the truth that will be seen as delusional. Good luck with your journey.

Where's your sense of adventure? Don't be such a child! Don't be such a grown up! You forgot how to be wild When's the last time you were scared? When's the last time you really cared about anything? Floating down the river Wrapped up in the dream It's easy to forget that Things aren't really what they seem What if you could see the truth And let all your delusions wash away? There's somebody watching you and That somebody's you Those blue skies are just your eyes Now what's a soul to do? You don't have to wait for heaven Don't have to fear for hell This is what you're looking for This is what you're looking for This is what you're looking for Oh my God! (Oh well) Jesus was a shaman Mohammed was a Christ Buddha was a fat man made of Paradox and rice. The Devil's in the bathroom mirror Pretending that he's really here Everything is nothingness and Isn't nothing nice? There's somebody watching you and That somebody's you Those blue skies are just your eyes Now what's a soul to do? You don't have to wait for heaven Don't have to fear for hell This is what you're looking for This is what you're looking for This is what you're looking for Oh my God! (Oh well)

@Nahm There's some religions that make a distinction between the Void and God the creator (let's say that). The Void is like the absolute (in fact for me that's God's definition, but they define it differently). Like the absolute or Void is absolute nothingness without attributions, nothing... and this reflects God, that is "all that is". I find the idea interesting to help us understand more reality, but that is what it is.... just ideas and concepts. Not absolute truth, because we can't speak truth.