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@Leo Gura Do you know anybody that has "awakened to love" and now is walking around all loving all the time? I just don't think such people exist. The closest are probably monks who put a lot of emphases on loving-kindness meditation in their spiritual training. Don't you think your emotions are influencing a lot of your interpretation of psychedelic experiences? One thing I think you greatly underestimate is how peoples interpretation of the same experience can differ. For example from your enlightenment happening live video, I can tell you have much much stronger emotional reaction than me. When I first awakened to no sense of agency, I basically came back to my computer and continued to watch youtube. Even when I had my first big psychedelic breakthrough, first thought was not God but rather that was the most alien and weird experience ever, like becoming a very fiber of reality. Don't you think that these cosmic experiences where there is no "I" but still awareness that you enjoy, are still in a subtle way a survival strategy compared to a complete cessation of consciousness like Nirodha Samapatti? I don't think it's possible to shift into a persistent state of love. However, if it's somehow, I wish you to attain this and guide us on how to do it.

@Leo Gura I have been asking lately what is love? . Because all I know about love is this energetic fulfilling alien refreshing feeling. But if all these things are dualities , what is love then? . Are these feeling made by God to make me go this way until I really discover what love is . So that they are not really want love is .

A write up of my interpretation of Leo's video and insights on the knowledge I gained from my 4-aco-dmt trip. There are two different types of truth. We have relative truths. For example, I am a human being, the entirety of science, the sky is blue, that we live on planet earth, Pythagoras theorem etc. They are generally statements or ideas that we hold as true. They seem so real. They are the anchor to the way we perceive life and they form the bedrock of our world view. However, they are only true are relative to human knowledge and experience. They are a set of symbols that we give emotional value and meaning. They are not absolutely true. For example, Pythagoras theorem is true from the mathematical paradigm, we can say it is true relative to human mathematics. It won't be true for an advanced alien species. They wouldn’t understand Pythagoras theorem and the symbols that represent it. For a cow, it is completely non-sensical. To it there is no Pythagoras theorem, it doesn't exist from its point of view. You see humans have the special capability of creating meaning out of symbols and projecting those symbols on to the raw data in our experience. This is how relative truths are born. Don't get me wrong, they are very useful to navigate and survive in life and is the reason to how humans have advanced so much technologically. Just don't take them so seriously, because they are not absolutely true. Let us take another example. You believe that we live on Planet Earth. As a species, we have come to an agreement that the label we call “Earth” is what we live on. Then this knowledge integrates itself into our belief system, and into our minds, and it feels actually real that we live on Planet Earth. You see, this idea becomes accepted in society due to our continual enforcement of it through media, anecdotes and scientific literature, it sinks deep into our subconscious mind and forms the bedrock of our worldview. But this truth is only true relative to the ideologies, and systems of knowledge that we have created. It makes me feel secure to say, “I am a human being that lives in London on a planet called Earth”. Knowledge is our safety net. It makes us feel sane. When in fact it is completely insane that existence is to be at all. It is really mad if you think about it. “Earth”, implies we exist in a certain location in time and space. Without this label, where would our experience be happening? This is when we start to investigate Absolute truth. Notice that “Earth” is a very broad description of our planet. What does the Earth consist of? Is it all the objects that aren’t living? Is it the total combination of both living and not living material? Then is the Earth also your body? Or is the Earth everything apart from your body? What even is the "I" that lives on earth? Is it your thoughts, your feelings, your brain? You see really it means nothing to say “I live on Earth”. It doesn't solve or prove anything, it is just a statement that we completely take for granted so we can go about our day, without disturbance. When you see the transparency and lack of substance to that statement, it will shock you to your bones. You will experience a deep sense of not knowing where the fuck you are, which is scary. We could have come up with a completely different system of knowledge to describe the raw data of reality, and these would have only been true to that system of knowledge that was created. You see science is true, relative to the axioms that have created science. If there is an experiment that disagrees with the axioms of science it is not true relative to science. Science is a relative truth. Einstein’s theory of General Relativity is a beautiful mathematical model that describes gravity. It enables us to build amazing technologies, but is it actually true? Relatively it is, but not in the absolute sense. It tells us that mass can bend space-time, so we create mathematical representations of space-time curvature using n-dimensional manifolds. But this still doesn't describe HOW matter bends space-time. A physicist doesn't care HOW it can bend space-time, he just cares about results. He wants to build a theory that will enable him to predict the future outcomes of how reality will unfold within a certain degree of accuracy. These theories aren’t absolutely true. Take Newtonian theory. It is relativity true for describing objects that move at very slow speeds. Notice the conditioning on that. It isn’t true for objects approaching the speed of light. Science is the process of bettering a system of knowledge that we have created in order try and understand reality. This system of knowledge can never totally describe the universe as its foundation is reliant on the laws of language. Science is really a crude way to try and reach absolute truth but an amazing way to create the technologies we use today. You see these truths are relative to the culture that you have been brought up in. Society, 2000 years ago would have had many different relative truths; and also people back then would have taken them as absolute truths. If you would have taken a time machine back to their society and tried to explain your truths that were true relative to your system of knowledge, they would think you are insane. I mean this even happens across vastly different cultures today. Also, their interpretation of the language you speak would be very different back then. Knowledge is a slippery thing. You see the problem is epistemological. No one has actually taken the time to study what knowledge/language actually is. Then they have just taken on certain systems of thought and symbols to try and make sense of reality without actually questioning the knowledge that they use to form their worldview. All of these relative truths distort your perception of life. They are like a smokescreen, prohibiting you from seeing the absolute truth. This is why other people seem crazy to you. They have taken up certain relative truths into their belief system that contradict the relative truths you have taken up. But the thing is because you are biased towards your own mind, you will defend your own ideas against that “crazy” person’s idea. Absolute truth is what it actually happening in your direct experience, it rises above knowledge and mind. The thing is that you can’t experience that absolute truth because you can’t shut your mind up for a long enough period of time, which is why the mystics have strong meditative/spiritual practice in place. You are constantly looking at the world through your ego, through your world view, through the belief systems you have created. Probably one of the relative truths that form your perception of life is that the Absolute truth of existence is impossible for you to discover. You aren’t conscious enough of what is actually happening in the present moment to see the absolute. The absolute truth of existence, to why we are here, is right in front of your nose. You are the absolute truth; it is what you are existentially. I can’t put it into words. You must investigate the present moment with such concentration to see it. You as a perceiver, as a self, as a human being, as a system of beliefs, must be non-existent for you to see life from the absolute perspective. Then you will get it.

Hi Leo, First of all, I want to thank you for your video about reality and infinite consciousness. It truly helped me gain a deeper awareness of what is and opened the door to new possibilities. But I have certain doubts about "my" imagination and I often find myself questioning the nature of reality and consciousness. Here are the questions: 1. If the flowing of time is an illusion constructed within our "brains", what can we do about it since everything is predetermined and nothing that we experience is under our control? We have no free will and time is just a persistent illusion, then how is this illusion the ultimate reality? Could there be something even more alien than that? 2. What do you think happens when we die? And why would we imagine something like this in the first place? Is it possible to be both dead and alive at the same time but we're just not aware of it? Think about the Schrodinger's Cat. 3. Do you think we could somehow break the chains of our past and future and choose what to feel, think or imagine? It seems to me that there's no way out and everything that is, IS beyond our sense of self, space or motion. In other words, to me consciousness is time... and time is just an illusion. I would love to hear your thoughts on this. Thank you

Advanced alien beings might not have much of a government. For example, I don't imagine DMT machine elves have giant bureaucracies and empires. LOL. Although who knows?

1. There is alien in the common term without a metaphysical game. 2. Time is relative 3. If a society of alien Come to us they will be probably more in a 'light matter' aspect. So nothing too see.

Ya I too was like that ain't no alien LOL TFWWW

"Alien" is a duality. What you're looking at in that video is YOU!! Marvel at your own beauty!!! am I right, Leo?

Any nutjob can have some understanding of non-duality. I used to follow Bashar, he's impressive, and there's some truth about his whole ordeal (but this guy is probably one of the 1001 spiritual ego's that tries to imitate him), but even Bashar talks shit sometimes, because you can't speak about the truth and because.. ? : even if some 'advanced' alien has positive intentions, and so does Darryl, how does Bashar even know if the correct translations are used? How do you even translate properly what some being wants to say, how do both parties even know? Aside from that, things are subjective. It's a mysterious joke of a process the uni made and you shouldn't just swallow all their words as truth, in fact any model of reality is false period. .. The worst part that screwed me over at the time was that I had to listen to my higher mind, and that the higher mind talks in imagination... that you should like, wait for images to receive. It's just bullshit, there is no higher mind, and there's nothing to achieve, no authority, imagination is just one of the ways the universe speaks, but there isn't a higher in it...

I like how his best friend alien has the most alien name ever

Hey all, been reading the forum for a while now and excited to finally post. So I subscribe to YouTuber called Meta Sage and definitely identify him as a stage turquoise+ individual. Basically this video is a criticism of pollution and of stage orange capitalism. What caught my attention was the solution he has for all of this which he words in two brilliant questions. Now I’m no scientist and the ethics of these proposals/statement are up for debate but logically it makes sense to me. #1. What if we could turn waste (any type) into literal currency? #2 Why don’t we launch our waste into the outer atmosphere aka space instead of burying it? (Non recyclables) ...”space is literally made to occupy junk” haha, this will also incentivize space conscious society and could potentially help attract alien life. Sage and I may be way wrong in this question but I’d like to hear some perspectives on this and why it’s not seriously considered today? Here is the video

From what I've gathered in my investigations into this, is that materialist scientists are almost always projecting their own latent social/emotional views onto any sort study that seeks to understand sociology, human dynamics, etc. from a "biological" point of view. I'll try to explain - why would someone promote science that says the world/society is just a series of inter-related material processes populated by beings that have to live a brutal, cut-throat existence just to survive in this cold, uncaring world? Because they themselves, in their emotional core, feel this way about reality! They feel like they're lost, distressed animals in a brutal, Darwinian nightmare that is only made somewhat bearable by advanced technology and that gives them some respite until their inevitable annihilation. If you've grown up in a capitalist, materialist world that values money and technology above all else, if you've been actively told that spirituality and mystical states of consciousness are the purview of the deluded (or even worse, the "savage"), if you've been told that no one fundamentally cares for you except out the vague "goodness" of complex society, then of course you're going to promote science that reinforces these ideas! The idea that Love is THE fundamental, animating force of existence is completely alien to these people, because they have been conditioned in such a world that has utterly crushed and denied such a possibility. Anyway. That was my rant. Maybe someone could take something away from it.

Has anyone here actually met Leo? How do we know he is not a holographic projection of alien AI?

@Beginner Mind Yeah...such a society would be completly foreign and alien to us, but could possibly be the One we are evolving into. I like your forward thinking.... Such a society we often think of as a utopia, but if we truly examine it, it's like all the fun will be sucked out of life. It sounds really happy and great, but kind of boring. And it'd be interesting to see how they would think of us. If they even remember us.

I was contemplating the other time about love . distinguishing love was my first experience in spirtuality. But all I know about love is this positive alien fulfilling feeling. But Then I thought what is love really ? , And I couldn't answer that and I am somewhat confused. How does God experience love . If it is not postive or alien or fulfilling then what is left from love?. And then I also asked why does God understand. Like why is not God just dump infinity ?

This was a very interesting collection of videos... thanks for sharing. Leaves me with a few things to think about... not about the war, but more about why I would rather have love and commission be given to mr.alien. Makes me wonder how deep and meaningful of conversations we could have had if an enlightened master spoke to mr.alien. *cough* not that the alien is a “he”

It's interesting this alien is talking about nonduality too

Right now, if I meditate, I feel like the universe will drop away. It doesn't sound that bad in words, but during the moment it brings fear. This has been happening for some time now ( 1-2 years) and I've sort of just danced around this issue and terminated my practice whenever it go this far. In the past year, I felt that I wasn't ready to take the leap into the unknown because I was still building my career and thought that this leap would fuck up my motivation, also there's nothing wrong with duality, why rush into the unknown? The unknown is right here waiting for me, I can jump in whenever I like. So I decided to hold it off. But now I have realized that the time to take spirituality seriously isn't in the future, its now, no matter the consequences. Because I've realized my life purpose is a purpose revolving around the absolute, not some dualistic facet of reality. Its not obvious where this will take me, but its deeply scary because it feels like the universe will drop away, there is a sensation of energy buzzing in consciousness when it happens, and it gets bigger and bigger. The fear gets bigger and bigger too. So I can't get myself to go further even if I continue to meditate, because the fear "omg what's going to happen! Am I going to die????? Omg what about my loved ones? Where will they go????" distracts my from focusing on the 3rd eye(I practice kriya yoga). But I must because the alternative is suffering and depression. On top of that, my wife is complaining saying that I'm turning into an alien. The fact that I can't get excited over gossip, all I want to do is immerse myself in nature, all psychological issues I look at them as if they are not big issues, are scaring her. Because she thinks they are big issues. Imagine what's going to happen if I jump into the unknown!? She's gonna freak. What to do?

Some people's reality and consciousness is so radically different they might as well be another species. You guys are underestimating just how radically different consciousness can be for humans. This is a common oversight because humans looks similar from outside appearances. But as you've been told, don't judge a book by its cover. This is what's happening with humans. Most humans simply assume that all humans are like them. This is a bad assumption unsupported by science, evolution, medicine, genetics, or other facts. It's as if you walk into a book store and treat all the books the same just because they are books. But there are huge differences between books even though they have a similar form. That similarity is superficial when you really dig into them. Some humans are like that donkey, they will never attain enlightenment. The reasons for this are nuanced and complex. Motivation is part of the equation. Most people do not have the motivation to do it. You cannot dismiss motivation as part of the "talent". Motivation is a huge factor. You cannot just train someone to be motivated about Truth. Yes, training helps, but there's much more to it than training. And who you can train also depends on who they are. Many people are untrainable. There is no reason whatsoever that all humans should be equally spiritually capable given how evolution works. The difference between a human and a donkey doesn't really exist. Brains evolve to become more and more capable of insight. There is no such thing as "a human brain" vs "a donkey brain". There is an infinite spectrum of brain structure -- from worms to aliens -- which allows for greater and greater insight capacity. I don't downplay any of that. That's all good and important. But my concern is not any of that. My concern is accessing the deepest level of consciousness and understanding. For that, training alone may not be enough for most people. That's all I'm saying. Not as similar as you imagine. Nowhere near 0.1% of the population is awake. It's way lower than that. And when it comes to truly understanding the deep structures of God, it's less than 0.0001%. I would estimate that less than 0.1% of awake people truly understand how deep awakening goes and all of its many facets. It's more important in spirituality than in getting women. Obviously if you look like Quasimodo that affects your chances attracting women. Although still not impossible. My biggest concern with the Red/Black Pill guys is that they use genetics as an excuse to not even try. They turn it into an egotistical ideology. Obviously I'm not saying that with spirituality. I'm not making some argument here about how you cannot realize God. I'm just saying your physiology plays an important role. So alter your physiology, alter your neurotransmitters! That is what spiritual technique is about. Yes, you ARE still limited as long as you have a human body. But, that doesn't mean you can't access the Absolute. You can. You can access it deeper and deeper levels and facets. Degrees of depth here do not contradict each other, rather they build on top of each other. It's like this: you can learn some math, it will be valid math, but that doesn't mean you've exhausted your understanding of math. Math goes very deep. As you go deeper into it, the old math is still valid. So in this way you are accessing Truth but you have not exhausted Truth, because Truth is infinite. Your understanding of math can deepen forever. It's hard to articulate that here for you. I have had extensive hour-long conversations with Shinzen, asking him all sorts of nuanced metaphysical questions and his replies did not fully satisfy me. I see him as having gaps in his understanding. For example, he does not hold that enlightenment is Absolute Truth. He still hangs on to aspects of materialism, holding enlightenment as a subjective thing. I do not think he understands what Truth or Consciousness really is. I also don't think he understandings what Love really is. Yes Yes If you think about it for a moment you should quickly realize that it must be possible to lose enlightenment because otherwise humans could not exist. To be human God MUST be able to lose awareness of itself as God. This is how you were born. And no matter how enlightened you get, you will eventually lose it in order to incarnate as a tree, worm, bird, human, alien, etc. You already have direct experience of being unawakened. How did you get there? Only one way: by losing your awakening. Everyone has lost their awakening, even the most enlightened people including Buddha and Jesus. Otherwise they could not awaken. Awakening is only possible because of unawakening. Nothing I said contradicts that. I never said he denies siddhis. I'm not just talking about siddhis in this thread. Trying some psychedelics doesn't mean much. It's a question of what one has become conscious of using them. Lots of people have tried psychedelics and have little understanding to show for it. My claim is not merely that Shinzen doesn't have all the possible siddihis. My claim is that his understanding of Truth itself is incomplete. He's not wrong, but it's not the deepest level. I'm not contradicting him, I'm just saying there's deeper understanding, deeper insight, deep consciousness. How it will help is a question of survival. That's not my interest. My interest is understanding reality for its own sake. Whether it helps or hurts is irrelevant to me. The Truth is whatever it is regardless of how it effects you. Any benefits that understanding of reality offers are secondary and beside the point (for me). The deeper one goes, the clearer it becomes who has and who hasn't gone that deep. The things I've realized cannot be put into words in any way whatsoever nor taught in any way whatsoever. And yet I can intuit that Shinzen Young and Ralston have not realized what I have realized. If that sounds arrogant to you, I understand. But it is what it is from my POV. Shinzen doesn't understand Truth. Ralston doesn't understand Love. To me, those are important oversights. I would not be satisfied missing either of those understandings. Obviously these are my understandings of their attainments. I could be wrong. I'm not saying you should believe me. I'm just stating my best understanding of the situation at this time. Certain things they have told me do not square up with my deepest realizations. And I will doubt all teachers before I doubt my own deepest realizations. If the choice comes down to trusting 5-MeO-DMT and DPT vs trusting Shinzen and Ralston, I will trust the neurotransmitters. And no, that is not materialism. Direct consciousness is king, and that's what the right neurotransmitters facilitate. No human teacher can take you that deep. All human teachers and teachings are to be questioned and doubted. Including of course myself. - - - - - - - - P.S. Nothing I said here should be used to entrench a victim mentality. Keep two things distinct in your mind: 1) the actual mechanics of how humans awaken, 2) any stories you come up with for why you cannot awaken and why should give up or not even try. I am talking about #1 in this thread. #2 is self-deception you gotta be very careful with. When it comes to genetics and physiology you gotta make the best of the hand you've been dealt. Playing a victim is not a smart move regardless of how bad your hand is.

@Aaron p Some sources of suffering/dissonance in the path for those who are seriously progressing 1) being a lone wolf. Not resonating with any relationship for a while 2) death of all preferrances and motivation for a while as the entire motivation system would eventually have to die and get reborn anew 3) popping of most fantasies, wants and certainties of the past like bubbles. 4) having moderate to heavy disorientation in self image as the elements get popped piece by piece..leaving a pale shadow of one's previous, precious self. Not recognizing oneself that much. Being alien to oneself. 5) a great uncertainty about future. A irksome fear of not finding any solid ground ever again! 6) just feeling meh from time to time. The existential meh. For no aparrent reason. Especially after waking up from sleep.

Yes, Rupert Spira talks about this as well. "As a man is, so he sees" When we used to condition ourselves as a body-mind, all our thoughts, actions and worldviews were colored by that distorted lens. Its not that we were actively having selfish thoughts. Rather, all those were a natural byproduct of how we knew ourselves. Same deal with self realization. When we remain as the Self, reality will naturally correspond in alignment to that. Its not an entity that actively 'tries' to outdo itself, embody things alien to itself and spread new vegan propagandas. Thats like putting the cart before the horse ?

@pluto Nah dude, lol the RA files are not something a kid can imagine up. It has to be an alien transmission. its too accurate an insight about oneness and enlightenment for a random person to come up with and write a whole report up about the conversation.

@Inliytened1 What people do is THEIR business not mine or yours, including what they believe. I’m simply asking you to stop proselytising. It derails the threads and is harmful to those that should be encouraged to think for themselves. This isn’t a complicated scenario. You wont be getting any sympathy or mercy from me given the claims you go around making. Am I trying to brainwash people? I certainly could be! But that’s for you and other people to determine, I know I’m not and I know what brainwashing looks like and as far as I know proselytising is far more consistent with brainwashing than simply sharing to others that I’ve come up with a technique to remove it. But don’t believe me, think critically about it for yourself. Contrary to yourself I won’t try and tell you what to believe, you could think I was an axe murderer or a demon sent here from an alien race to destroy mankind, I couldn’t give a fuck. I’m simply asking you to respect the space of others and my own by sharing content that is specific to the thread in a way that respects the critical thinking of others. Stop proselytising. I don’t want to read it or be influenced by it, and I am influenced by it even if I have you on ignore because you sometimes comment on the same thread. If you want to proselytise make a separate thread but don’t derail the threads of others.

Infinite Consciousness can take the form of an infinite number of entities or beings which can interact with each other. But all of this is being imagined by Infinite Consciousness. In the absolute sense, everything is one. In the relative sense, entities have their own existence. In this sense an alien or a spirit is no different than a human or an animal. The "physical" realm is only one out of an infinite number of realms populated by all sorts of beings. All these realms and beings are ultimately you. Just like in a dream.

How long did it take for you to stop grinding on actualized.org and start loving it? I love learning english although I had to grind on it for years before starting to love it. At first, english was an alien language, and learning it involved a lot of resistance. I had to fight resistance. Did you have to grind for the first few years, too?