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Breakingthewall replied to Husseinisdoingfine's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Let's say that your energetic configuration, your level of openness, fear, anger, hatred, shame, form a pattern, something real and solid, stable. This energetic configuration becomes denser or more open depending on the individual's way of being. Very dense configurations tend towards behaviors of separation, lying and selfishness. These behaviors create a denser and more closed pattern. This does not mean that a misfortune is going to happen to you, but it does mean that your vital flow is going to be narrow, twisted, sickly. This can attract that kind of reality to you. It is not something measurable with external standards, maybe you will become a millionaire, but your flow in life is going to be unpleasant shit and there is a greater chance that you will attract bad things. In addition, many mystics have spoken of reincarnation. It is a possibility, that pattern is restarted with some inherited master lines. You can see that reality is evolutionary, everything copies itself with some evolutionary adjustments. perhaps at deep levels it is also like this, and the energy patterns have continuity -
Soul Flight replied to StarStruck's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@StarStruck A few ways to look at other's suffering is maybe from some eternal angle they actually chose this reincarnation. Or maybe their experience is the most sought after. Maybe we should be jealous of those who experience the worst suffering. Or maybe it is their dharma and karma. I read "Man's Search for Meaning" by Victor Frankl. A pretty good book about Jews in concentration camps. You must find meaning in spite of suffering. You can survive any "how" if you have a good "why." -
Keryo Koffa replied to Razard86's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Princess Arabia I died in one of my dreams, I dreamed I was in a room and felt week, I seemed to be very old and my breaths got shallow, I knew I was about to die, I saw a woman and children run towards me, I intuitively knew they were my daughter and grandchildren, I slowly lowered myself onto the floor and I felt a sense of calmness, I knew I was about to die but it felt very peaceful and I didn't experience any pain, my breathing slowed down as I faded from that realm into another, one of darkness, but I was still conscious and I saw a person appear, I don't remember much from after that, it was years ago and I woke up right after. @Razard86 I'm consistently trying to expand my perspective but when I try to understand the way I am in hindsight, it appears as if I discover ever greater meta-patterns that run through my entire life. And it's like: The way I am now is highly influenced by the way I act and the situation I'm in, but that one only arose from the experiences of past years, but it seems that I could have potentially had so many, or have focused on so many of their aspects, but specific ones got highlighted, which have grown me into a specific direction, and when I wonder why, I return into whole areas of 8 years ago, and they were a reflection and antithesis to the way I lived two years before that, and that experience was the most profound experience in my life, from beginning to end, but it was only so because of the way I was when I entered it, and that was caused by the person I was due to the experiences I gathered, and those were in turn caused my on overarching pattern of positive and negative experiences that shaped my personality, and those link to my childhood, and the reason I was the way I was then appears because I had natural inclinations to begin with, but did I? Core experiences from my early years led me to that, but it seems that potential was always within me and I always had a specific focus, preferences and an inclination to filter experiences along specific lines, and that was the reason I behaved as I did. Furthermore it seems that filtering of perception and meaning is something I was born with. And the reason I was is something I try to understand in hindsight and the way I relate to other people and past personas seems to correlate well with reincarnation/karma and psychic continuity models, irregardless of their nature since continuity along psychic lines is as valid dimension as any other when it comes to the continuous morphing of the experienced universe and its properties and that which we most notable are, states and configurations of conscious experience filled with specific tendencies. In a way, I changed quite a bit, in another way, I'm constantly gaining ever greater clarity and appreciation for who I am, in another way, it seems I never changed one bit at all, I'm like a tree, I grew branches but the stem is the same. Sometimes I feel it more strongly than other times, but as I try to expand my sense of self, I intuit that every person inside this world, if I went through the exact circumstances they did and felt the same way they do, had all the exact experiences and was shaped by the same forces, I'd be them and act identically. And when I run through that thought while talking to someone, it feels very profound and almost like I'm switching into their perspective in real time. Yet they don't have my experience and I don't have theirs, I do not know in conscious detail what they feel inside. The sense of continuity is fascinating really, the background knowing awareness, irregardless of specific details or if you can remember anything at all, but just the knowing that you're you and that you are. -
Breakingthewall replied to Javfly33's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Sure, that's our normal perception, then is structured by the mind to make a map of what existence is in the level that we can see. But the thing is that is possible to see deeper, open the doors of our perception. It's not just realizing that we are the unlimited, but realizing how the unlimited organized and synchronized itself. Many mystics of all times ve talked about reincarnation, their sight is long but sure still limited. Real mysticism is possible, deep perception too. I'm not talking about the....I don't know how to call, of watching some videos and then repit that im god imagining the reality, but about real opening. At least I will try to go to the deeper that is possible. The key is to understand how to start, breaking our limitations. I know that it's impossible to see infinitely, just to realize that the cosmos is infinite, but deeper you see, better, more beauty inside you -
My consciousness is the only absolute I can know right now at my current state of un/awareness. Leo talks as if there's just one observer and maybe he refers to absolute God, but it seems he says that the currently conscious avatar is the only one in existence and all of reality only exists as a bubble around it simulated in a minimalist fashion only as far as it is psychically convincing. And that nothing exists until the godhead consciously wills it into being in the present, as time is only an idea projection of current awareness. And that others are like a mirage, a reflection of present awareness interpretation of self-projected form. But I wonder, doesn't God have to know and simulate the exact life of everyone else in order to make this a convincing simulation, in which case, is God not simultaneously consciously everyone to the full extent that it's not just the avatar's field being rendered but all entities and "non entities" as well, every blade of grass, every overlap of perception between all observers all equally consciously created by god, in which case, how am I the only conscious entity? Aren't all entities, projected or not equally conscious as experienced by god in order to simulate around the avatar, in which case everything is experienced, in which case every other is as real as me and an equally conscious entity, that is a subset of the god being that creates the whole experience? And then there are other Godheads, as featured in the "Infinity of Gods" video. And Leo says that he might have his godhead and I might have mine and that his godhead made contact with other godheads like mine and those fused into a meta-godhead, while remembering the individuality of sub-godheads, which are sovereign on their own, though somehow the distinction becomes imaginary. And then the godheads are supposed to help each other out if the collective dream turns into hell, as experienced by their avatars which is themselves in finite form. But that gives godheads a unique identity, doesn't it? So then, if Godheads are by themselves sovereign and they can share a collective dream, then how do I know what another godhead's avatar is compared to just an illusion, if there is even such a thing as an illusion as it all seems equally real. Godheads are infinite and unbound, they only bind themselves if they wish and are infinite, and know all that is knowable, I imagine them as reality bubbles. But then, how many Godheads are there, could a blade of grass be the avatar of a godhead, or a squirrel, a human, a DMT entity, could it be that the entire universe is conscious not only because a local godhead has to simulate it for its avatar but also because it is inside a collective dream of which each godhead embodies a different aspect of reality as a conscious entity and each godhead can link other godheads through their avatars, while their local conscious focus maximizes the experience of reality and balance of the meta-structure of the universe. So then when I interact with another human, Leo would say they only exist as a perspective relative to me, but if they're another Godhead's avatar, am I not equally a perspective to them and then are they not just as real as me, or even if it is just a reflection of me, outside of my bubble of awareness (my godhead), might they not exist irregardless as a conscious experience simultaneously only currently unexperienced. And really, aren't all possibilities the case irregardless of whether they're materialized or not, like the Mandelbrot set in mathematics. And then, even if Godheads know everything, isn't there room for more infinity, since they might know every number on the infinite scale, but beyond that there's infinite space to create a psyche that filters patterns around selective lines. So then, maybe my current perspective is a fractal mirror of a localized materialized godhead avatar, but am I not equally arbitrary and doesn't imagining others make them real and can they not exist outside of imagination, in the unknown or unexperienced, as one can invent infinite experiences, along infinite patterns and then infinitive those infinitely. Wouldn't each consciousness, exist equally conscious as it all can exist so it must exist and is all simulated only relative to each other WHICH MEANS THAT EACH EXPERIENCE IS FULLY CONSCIOUSLY EMBODIED BY GOD, irregardless of the current avatar's sovereign consciousness? So then, an avatar could be its own Godhead, as if there's room for more godheads, then as above, so below, so maybe there is a cycle of reincarnation or maybe the NDE experiences are real or maybe there exists a formless psychic universe full of sovereign entities that interact with each other as I interpret from "Seth Speaks". That each consciousness, equally real and valid chooses to materialize itself in a type of play and develops itself more fully in-between lives being a vast multi-personality energy gestalt, of which each individual is a part, and yet conscious in itself simultaneously. It's really fascinating. Anyway, that's the end of my conceptual proliferation for today, tell me what you think and don't give me the Buddhist "stop thinking and become nothing" attitude.
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r0ckyreed replied to r0ckyreed's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Thanks! So since death is real and imaginary, I still think it is helpful to live as if I will die and only have one life. That way I savor it and enjoy it to the fullest. I honestly go back and forth and see both sides to YOLO and Reincarnation. I personally lean more on the side of YOLO when I find myself being complacent and shy to talk to girls. But I see Reincarnation being true when I am thinking about where existence is going. -
I have been practicing memento mori - remember, you are mortal, from the Stoics. Reflecting on my mortality and death has allowed me to be more adventurous and courageous in my life because I know this is the only one I get. The teachings of reincarnation and death being imaginary seem like dangerous teachings to me because they dismiss the value of this life and assume that this isn't the only life we live. If I think I am going to live forever, it seems to make me think I have all the time in the world. But the truth is the everyday I grow closer to death. Some people will object saying that "death is imaginary because you are literally imagining that you will die but the only thing you have is this present moment and death is something you are imagining in the future." I don't really agree with this argument because I may be imagining that I am mortal and that death will come, but the reality is that it will. To state this argument is foolish because that's like saying that Sylvester Stallone being dead is imaginary. It is like saying that the tree falling down is imaginary. But the reality is that Sylvester Stallone will die just like Carl Weathers and everyone else before him. The tree will fall down someday. And more babies and more trees will come to existence. Death and mortality might not exist in the immediate present moment and may be something I am thinking about right now, but they are still realities present in the human condition. We can see just how fragile a human being is. To say "death is imaginary" is like saying that "covid and being sick is imaginary" since I am healthy right now. But the reality is that change does exist and is not imaginary. The present moment exists right now and is not imaginary. Everything that you imagine takes place in the present moment of course, but that does not mean that it isn't a reality. Imagination is part of reality. So, therefore, anything I imagine is part of reality. Death is part of reality whether I am imagining it or not. This is what objectivity means. My main criticisms of Actualized Teachings is that they dismiss the concept of "objectivity" and focus on Absolutism and Relativism, but hardly any discussion is on the concept of Objectivity. Objectivity is things that exist whether I am imagining them or not such as gravity, death, and immortality. When I am talking about imagination, I am using that synonomously with thinking. At a higher level, the Universe is creating reality, but at my human level, my human imagination is not creating reality in the same way the Universe is. For instance, I cannot imagine myself being immortal and it becoming true. I cannot change the laws of Consciousness/Physics/Gravity because these things are being "Imagined" by the Universe, which the Universe's power exceeds my egoic power. So, objectivity does exist. People can be wrong about reality. Why would we argue if people couldn't be wrong? Ever thought about that? If it was all just opinion and subjective, then there would be no point in arguing because to say your opinion is more true than someone else's would be a subjective statement, and, hence, you would be contradicting yourself. Saying that death is imaginary is like saying that being blind is imaginary. Sure, I am imagining blindness and I am not blind right now, but if I stick a knife in my eye, I will become blind. I don't need to actually stick a knife in my eye to prove that this will happen. That is just foolish. Me knowing that blindness will happen without directly experiencing it is an example of implicit/intuitive understanding. All I am trying to express is that we should balance the teachings of death being an illusion with the teachings of death being a reality. Death of Consciousness may be an illusion at a higher level, but the death of this human experience is a reality waiting to happen just like how a seed is bound to grow into a tree, and then the tree is bound to fall over. That is its fate. Our human fate is to turn to bones. I find it helpful to reflect on my mortality rather than my immortality so that I can be ambitious in life. I may reincarnate after this lifetime, but I am not going to attach myself to that belief system. I am going to live like this is the only life I get, and I am going to put all of my effort, ambition, discipline, and love into creating the best ego I can create. What are your thoughts?
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James123 replied to James123's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
So, you believe in reincarnation? How do you know something is happening? I would say if I experience anything, I am the creator and infinite is just my imagination, which I created and experienced. (But, if only there is an experience) -
BlueOak replied to Emotionalmosquito's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
That's what people spend eternity doing until they are ready to stop having reincarnation loops. -
Cosmic-Resplendence replied to khalifa's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
One more thing… I keep reading in certain places that in the mind, thinking and experiences makes like pathways. The more and more these thoughts are repeated, or by strong experiences, these paths are made deeper, and the mind wants to go down these created paths, like grooves. I think that repeated use of psyches can also make paths and they may become harder to remove the deeper these paths are, especially from very intense, or difficult experiences. Its like easier for the mind to think along these paths that are created, and its more difficult for the mind’s thoughts go down rough, untraveled grounds so to speak. So if you are having flashbacks, etc. These are paths that were created from the psyches and may take a while of not using these paths, and eventually the paths disappear over time from non use. Not sure if that’s explained clearly or not. Certain Eastern philosophy talks about Samskaras that are paths the mind creates, however they say these paths, the deep ones continue into next lifetimes. Maybe you don’t believe in reincarnation, I’m just explaining what they say. This is probably different from what I mean above, except that paths are definitely created by experiences and thinking and they take time to disappear. I mentioned a book “Thinking and Destiny” in another post… Guy who wrote it suggests basically the same thing. That book is very difficult to grasp, but definitely some stuff about this, and pathways in the mind from thoughts and experiences. All of this probably relates to why people can get stuck for some time after difficult experiences, like PTSD. They don’t call thoughts “impressions” without reason. I think of it like this… A new brain of a baby is like a field after a night of fresh snow from a snow storm, clean, no tracks. Go out and walk on it, (baby grows and has experiences) and there are trails created in the snow. The more you walk along the same trails, they get deeper. Eventually after some time it snows more and the lesser used trails eventually disappear. Strong or difficult experiences are like a bulldozer making those trails, and take a long time to disappear, some may not ever disappear completely. -
I find myself between both perspectives. On the one hand, I do get Daves dismissive nature considering the broad abuse of science in virtually all fields of human endeavour. I mean, if we just take the medical field for example: the amount of charaltans, heterodox sensemakers and health gurus poisoning the well and deluding the public is simply outrageous. Sophists are great at using scientific termonology and cherrypicked "data" to prove a certain point, which in the context of the broader scientific literature is just fallaciously wrong and harmful. Covid-19 was a prime example of this dynamic. Most individuals have no clue what they are talking about - and they usually are not aware that what they actually posess is spoonfed superficial knowledge masquerading as legit scientific inquiry. This whole schtick of "doing your own reserach" is a symptom of this disease. People have no idea what it actually means to do research in order to get to what's true - it's a painstaking, time consuming & above all mentally challenging process. Watching some youtube videos or reading a pop-science book is not doing research - that's gathering information and taking what someone else thinks to be true as truth. People are run by their cognitive biases which lead them down a pre-baked heuristic and a good amount of rationalization after the fact. The problem is that Dave throws the baby out with the bathwater. He doesn't see that hypothesis generation in science generally underlies a certain degree of epistemological conditoning. The scientist and the science done stand in a reciprocal relationship with each other. How scientific data is getting interpreted underlies the cognitive architecture of the person doing it. It's clear to see that for a person like Dave, certain topics are basically off limit - for ontological reaseons. He of course would never agree with that statement (he would say:"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"), but it's a cognitive bias nontheless. It's a fact that there are incredibly well designed and highly statistically significant results int he field of parapsychology, which are getting ignored by the greater public. Mostly materialistic-fundamental reasons. The same goes for the reincarnation literature. Or the healing literature. Or the NDE-literature. Or the UFO-phenomenon. etc... - what I am trying to say, there is a there "there" which can not be explained by the usual suspects like bad experimental design or flawed statistical analysis. But we live a world where even discussing those sorts of things leads you towards mockery and malice by peers and people like Dave. He is what being narrow minded archetypically looks like - and behaving like a derogatory asshole surely doesn't help solving this issues either. I mean, just take a look at his videos about religion - it's literally the most mundane, Dawkin-esque nonsense you can listen to. He would not get very far with this kind of reasoning against a philosopher who has thought about it for a while. I think we need to find a place between the two extremes - where fringe topics can be explored without this baggage - but with a rigorous scientific framework to get to what's actually true. We also need to recognize where science ultimately fails truth-acquisition - like in the study of consciousness (propably) and GOD. That said, science works really works in most areas of life - especially the hard sciences like physics & chemistry! The way forward includes broader education in science and also philsophy. Topics like climate change and collective actions against it are only malleable through the workings of an adquate scientific understanding. Becoming a wiser species entails a greater understanding of both, the relative (what science teaches us about) and absolute (spiritualty) domain of reality. Ciriticism of science should be precise and logically consistent. Thats it!
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What If Reality Is Nothing But Perspective https://youtu.be/_JmNzIN0c2c Epistemological Challenge: Leo Gura stresses that most humans are confined within a single perspective of reality which they can't or won't move beyond and tend to defend to the death, mistaking it for absolute truth. This phenomenon is not limited to religious or political views but extends to various realms, including science and rationality. The Significance of Perspectives: Gura proposes that reality may be comprised solely of various perspectives, without an underlying absolute reality. He suggests considering reality as a collection of perspectives rather than searching for an objective truth behind them, challenging the common attachment to one's personal perspective. Mind's Defense Mechanism: He articulates that the mind's underlying game is defending its own perspective, creating a range of dysfunctional behaviors such as debating, arguing, and condemning others to avoid self-scrutiny and maintain a sense of security. Existential and Abstract Perspectives: Gura uses examples like the beliefs around birth, the pre-existence of the universe, and the continuation of life after one's death to illustrate how deeply embedded and unquestioned certain perspectives are, to the extent that they're mistaken for reality. Exploration vs. Defense: Leo encourages adopting a non-ideological life stance, emphasizing the exploration of other perspectives purely as a learning exercise without seeking replacements or better alternatives. He challenges the listener to abstain from defending any intellectual positions. Radical Attitude Shift: Leo Gura presents the idea that transcending the mind's game and viewing the various cultural, religious, and philosophical perspectives as mere parts of a larger game can lead to a radical shift in attitude, distinct from the mainstream societal and intellectual norms. Limits of Perspective Evaluation: Gura explains that people often fail to genuinely understand different perspectives because they evaluate them through their own biases. He gives examples of how a Christian might misinterpret perspectives like Islam or atheism without truly adopting those lenses. Self-Bias in Perspectives: He points out the intrinsic self-bias of perspectives, where individuals believe their own perspective to be superior. This self-serving trait of perspectives, Gura suggests, is evident in all individuals, including highly educated and intellectual figures. Trap of Philosophers: Gura criticizes philosophers for defending their perspectives rather than seeking a comprehensive understanding of reality. He questions why they would spend lives arguing for a partial truth, a trap that even the wisest fall into. Philosophy as Perspective Defense: He shares his realization upon studying philosophy that the field often involves philosophers arguing for their own limited perspectives rather than engaging in unbiased exploration of truth, leading him to seek a deeper understanding beyond perspective favoritism. Personal Reality Construction: Gura asserts that the difficulty in distinguishing perspective from reality is due to perspective being one's reality. He emphasizes that everyone lives in a different reality, shaped by their unique perspectives, which can vary significantly. Resisting Diverse Perspectives: Through various examples, Gura challenges listeners to consider radically different perspectives, noting how resistance often arises due to discomfort, threat to identity, or the fear of losing one's own perspective. Perspective and Societal Harmony: He discusses how shared perspectives within groups, such as nations or tribes, facilitate understanding, agreement, and cohesion, while radical differences in perspective can lead to societal struggles and violence. Killing Over Perspectives: Gura highlights the severity of perspective conflict, pointing out that people have killed, enslaved, and conquered others over differing perspectives, questioning the central role and function of perspective in human life and its almost abstract yet powerful influence. Perspective as a Survival Tool: He likens perspective to an operating system or the 'Bios' of one's body, a core software essential for survival, highlighting that understanding and reprogramming one's fundamental 'Bios' can lead to significant life changes, but also carries the risk of destabilizing the entire 'system'. Impact of Birth Environment on Perspective: Leo Gura describes how an individual's 'Bios'—the fundamental operating system of beliefs and assumptions about reality—is shaped by the specific context of their birth, including time, location, culture, and family. This 'Bios' ensures survival within a given environment, such as adapting to the belief systems of a fundamentalist Christian family to gain approval and fulfill basic needs. Programming of the 'Bios' in Childhood: The programming of a child's 'Bios' occurs without their awareness, as children absorb the beliefs and systems of their environment during the crucial formative years. Children seek love and approval, which drives the acceptance of the 'Bios' of their community, even when they do not understand that they are being programmed. Difficulty in Assessing the 'Bios' Quality: Gura highlights how individuals are unable to critically assess the quality of their own 'Bios' due to its deep entrenchment as reality. This lack of perspective means that it's challenging to spot limitations or consider alternative worldviews that deviate from one's upbringing. Resistance to Changing the 'Bios': People show strong resistance to altering their 'Bios' despite its potential dysfunctions or being out of sync with a changing environment. This resistance stems from the 'Bios' being deeply tied to one's identity; therefore, most people would rather defend their worldview than acknowledge its flaws and work on improving it. Identification with the 'Bios' as Identity: Leo Gura argues that individuals are reluctant to modify their 'Bios' because it constitutes their sense of self, with most preferring to endure dysfunction rather than confront and rectify their flawed belief systems. The 'Bios' shapes every aspect of a person's interaction with the world. Nested Perspectives: Gura explains how minds create nested virtual perspectives within the main one, leading people to question their perspectives superficially without addressing the core 'Bios' that runs their lives. To truly discover oneself, one must go beyond these nested perspectives to the original one, which is devoid of any construction. Perspective as a Survival Mechanism: Leo Gura asserts that perspectives are built for the survival of the self and dismantling them would leave one with a sense of meaninglessness. The self-reflection process to discover the true self, without a perspective, is akin to reversing one's own birth and education—a deconstruction of self-identity. Snowballing Perspective and Self-Accretion: Describing life as an accretion process like a snowball gaining mass, Gura speaks about the building up of perspectives over time. He suggests that while the first half of life may be about building and defending one's accrued perspectives, the latter half could be spent deconstructing these to understand one's true essence. Depth of Perspective and the Quest for Understanding: The quest to understand one's own 'Bios' requires deep self-reflection, devoid of personal gains or defending ideologies. Gura emphasizes the amazing reality of life as a process of not just existing but self-creation, urging an earnest and truthful exploration of oneself beyond mere ideological self-preservation. Wrong Approach to Exploring Perspectives: Leo Gura criticizes the question of "what's in it for me?" when exploring different perspectives, explaining that this mindset causes one to double down on their existing perspective and prevents a true understanding of reality. Reality as a Collection of Perspectives: Gura challenges the notion of a single, definitive reality by asserting that reality is the accumulation of every conceivable perspective that consciousness could take. Understanding Reality via Multiple Perspectives: To truly grasp the essence of something like an elephant, Gura posits one must view it from every possible angle rather than just one snapshot, suggesting that reality is akin to an infinitely complex mosaic of perspectives. Multiplicity of Viewing Angles: He stresses the complexity in understanding reality, as even just one object can be approached with an infinite number of angles, distances, and methodologies (like cameras or sonar). Appreciating Different Depictions: Different interpretations, whether photorealistic or abstract, are all seen as valid by Gura. He emphasizes the need to appreciate where each perspective is coming from, rather than dismissing unconventional depictions. Unifying Perspectives Reveals Infinity: Leo concludes that by accumulating various perspectives, one finds that subjects like elephants—or reality itself—are essentially infinite, as they can be perceived in an endless number of ways. Material Perception Requires Separation: He points out that to even begin perceiving an object materially, we must separate ourselves from it, creating dualities and a perspective that allows for a physical understanding. Importance of Neutrality and Diversity: To fully experience the richness of reality, Leo urges neutrality and an appreciation of the diversity of perspectives, avoiding the limitation of fixating on a single point of view. Consequences of Limited Perspective: Leo discusses the detrimental effects of clinging to a singular perspective, which can result in dissatisfaction, suffering, and conflict with others who hold differing views. A Commitment to Neutrality: He suggests making a commitment to being neutral and appreciating all perspectives, indicating that the universe explores itself through every viewpoint in an endless self-reflective process. Perspective and Self-Understanding: Leo explores the concept of consciousness iterating through every possible perspective across different timelines and planets, emphasizing this process as a path towards infinite self-understanding or consciousness. Universe as a Love Simulator: Leo sketches the universe as a teachable process fostering love and appreciation for the diversity of perspectives, promoting conscious engagement in this process for personal growth and enrichment. Understanding through Reincarnation: Leo Gura describes the process of truly understanding a perspective—like that of a Muslim fundamentalist—by suggesting one would need to reincarnate into that life and live it for 80 years. He extends this to every possible experience across all timelines, planets, and even as inanimate objects. Complete Cycle of Self-Understanding: Leo explains that by living through every permutation of perspective, consciousness would achieve complete self-understanding and self-realization, reaching a state of absolute infinity. Movement from Fear to Love: As consciousness experiences more perspectives, it moves from a state of fear and selfishness to a state of love, gradually letting go of limitations and biases. Integration of All Perspectives: The ultimate integration of all perspectives leads to pure infinite consciousness, without bias or attachment, which Leo equates to the essence of God. The Cosmic Mechanism: Leo discusses the cosmic mechanism wherein one can either engage in the process of exploring perspectives consciously with love or unconsciously with resistance, which causes suffering. Reality as a Love Simulator: Leo likens reality to a 'love simulator,' teaching us to love but also challenging us by presenting fears of annihilation. He suggests that the universe's purpose is to teach itself love, embodying the notion that consciousness is about experiencing infinite perspectives in a continuous exploration. Use of Love: He encourages using love to explore different perspectives, appreciating them not to enhance personal survival but to embark on an infinite adventure in consciousness, understanding that all perspectives are equal and none inherently better than the others. Avoiding Judgment of Perspectives: Leo advises against judging or demonizing various world perspectives and instead integrating them to become a more loving and conscious being. Power of Love: Leo claims that if one were to integrate understanding and love for all perspectives, especially the dysfunctional ones, it would lead to a profound sense of power and wisdom. Impact of Understanding Perspectives on Personal Growth: The penetration of deep love for the diversity of humanity's perspectives, Leo argues, is transformative and positions one on an infinite slope of ever-increasing love and understanding, fundamentally enhancing the quality of one's life. The Snowball Effect of Love: Leo Gura describes personal growth in love as a snowball rolling downhill, gathering more love and growing infinitely, which he believes would lead to an ideal life experience. Barriers to the Freefall of Love: He identifies fear, selfishness, and attachment as obstacles that prevent individuals from entering a state of continuous love accumulation. The Psyche's Limit in Holding Love: Gura suggests practicing the ability to sustain intense feelings of love, despite the discomfort it may bring, akin to the edge of an orgasm, as this intensity has transformative and healing properties. Spiritual Purification through Intense Love: He explains that experiencing intense love can purify spiritual impurities and selfishness, describing it as a grieving process accompanied by various emotions, leading to an increased capacity for love. Role of Psychedelics in Love Exploration: Gura mentions psychedelics as an aid for experiencing superhuman levels of divine love which facilitates the gradual increase in one's ability to love. Evolving Capability to Love: He emphasizes that understanding human growth at its deepest level involves expanding one's capacity for love, a lifelong process that starts with an open mind and an appreciation of different perspectives. Objective of Actualized.org: Gura ties his discussion back to the purpose of Actualized.org, which is to guide individuals in exploring and understanding various perspectives without getting trapped in one single viewpoint. Technique for Expanding Perspectives: Gura advocates for challenging one's mind to look at the world through significantly different perspectives in a non-judgmental way to enhance life quality. Exercise in Empathy and Visualization: As a practical exercise, Gura challenges individuals to imagine living through the experiences of someone radically different, like a neo-Nazi or a woman experiencing sexual pleasure, to develop a deeper understanding of these perspectives. Practical Benefits of Perspective Exploration: He lists the benefits of this practice in various areas such as the workplace, politics, religion, personal relationships, historical understanding, and healing past traumas and conflicts. Utilizing Perspective Exploration as a Conflict Resolution Tool: Gura posits that the ability to view situations from others’ viewpoints is the universal solvent for resolving conflicts, and the lack thereof is a primary cause of discord across all levels of society. Actualized.org as a Resource for Growth: In conclusion, Gura invites his audience to visit Actualized.org for further resources on personal growth, including a blog, book list, forum, and exclusive content. He also encourages support through Patreon for in-depth work like the discussed topics. Engorgio
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Outrageous Experiments In Consciousness - 30 Awakenings In 30 Days https://youtu.be/mnn0IU0-atg Return from Retreat: Leo came back from his month-long psychedelic retreat, full of profound experiences that were difficult to communicate due to their depth and paradigm-shifting nature, which necessitated a period of integration. Experiments in Consciousness: He undertook 30 days of isolation, using daily doses of 5-MeO-DMT to push the boundaries of consciousness and challenge preconceived notions about enlightenment, aiming to be authentic to his experiences. Exploration Beyond Established Limits: Leo started the retreat with a desire to validate deeper levels of awakening that he suspected surpassed those commonly recognized by spiritual teachers, intending to approach truth without the influence of established teachings. Rapid Advancements: Within just one week of his experiments, Leo reached levels of consciousness that he felt went beyond what he had read or heard from other spiritual teachers, questioning their awakenings in relation to his own experiences. Deepening Understanding of God: He had profound insights into the nature of God, suggesting that many spiritual teachings do not fully explore the depth of what God is, often focusing on concepts like emptiness or cessation. Distinguishing Different Degrees of Awakening: Leo grapples with the challenge of articulating the depth of his awakenings, emphasizing there are multiple degrees and levels. He reiterates his commitment not to undermine other teachers, but to honestly share his experiences for the sake of truth exploration. Reflecting on Spiritual Masters: He muses that the most awakened individuals might not be publicly teaching, and he expresses a deep understanding of God, declaring that true knowledge of God is layered and can be understood at increasingly profound levels. Reconciliation of Teachings and Truth: While Leo respects many spiritual teachers for their work and contributions, he clarifies that his primary passion is for truth, not for surpassing others in spiritual attainment. He emphasizes the need for individuals to explore truth independently. Linear Perception of History: Leo illustrates how the human mind generally perceives the world in a linear timeline - from the past through the present to the future, connecting events one after another. God Consciousness Perspective: In contrast, when in a state of God Consciousness, one perceives every moment as present and interconnected; reality is understood from an infinite number of angles, akin to slicing a watermelon in infinite ways rather than just cutting it down the middle. The All-encompassing Room: A profound insight during his trip leads Leo to experience being in a room where he is acutely aware of having created and imagined every part of it, including understanding the intricate design of a computer and the concept of emails and the internet. Breaking into Telepathy: Leo shares a new mystical experience of telepathy, where he realizes that conscious awareness becomes so interconnected that it facilitates direct communication among all points of space without the need for conventional, fragmented methods like email or phone calls. Redefining Communications: He suggests that when one becomes deeply aware that they are infinite consciousness, direct, immediate, and telepathic communication is possible since all perceived separations are just a construct of the human mind. Telepathy as Self-Dialogue: Leo explains that telepathy is essentially a form of communication with oneself, as other individuals are seen as extensions of one's own consciousness, making real-time communication with others conceivable. The Potential to Download Consciousness: He presents the idea that one might be able to download someone else's skills and experiences instantly if they realize their oneness with that person, although he admits he hasn't fully achieved this himself. Superhuman Levels of Consciousness: Leo discusses achieving states of consciousness so profound that they are beyond meditative or traditional spiritual approaches, suggesting that an upgrade in neurotransmitters might be required to reach such states and that they are not sustainable in day-to-day life. Difference between Temporary and Constant Enlightenment: Contradicting some spiritual teachings, Leo argues that real enlightenment doesn't have to be constant. Temporary but radical degrees of consciousness can be just as authentic and transformative. Transformative Challenge of Psychedelic Use: He describes his psychedelic work as challenging and uncomfortable, emphasizing that it is not about seeking pleasure but about pursuing deep truths and love. Questioning the Efficacy of Traditional Spiritual Practice: Leo casts doubt on whether traditional practices alone can lead to the kinds of consciousness experiences he's talking about, suggesting that many who have devoted their lives to such practices have not reached the superhuman states he describes. Leo's Appreciation of Beauty: Leo Gura recalls an awkward moment where his collection of aesthetically pleasing images of female bodies brought him to tears with their beauty while in a state of infinite consciousness, recognizing them as a creation of his own imagination. Ritual of Taking Baths: Leo began a ritual of taking hot baths during his psychedelic experiences as a means of showing love and kindness to his body, a realization that emerged from his heightened states of awareness. Profound Insights on Desire: During his psychedelic experience, Leo realized that human desire is inherently biased and fragmented, but in a state of infinite consciousness, one desires everything without bias, equating desire with the desire for self, absolute truth, or God. Breakthrough into Infinite Love: As Leo's experiences deepened around the two-week mark of his retreat, he describes a profound awakening into the nature of love, which he now understands as the core of true awakening. Verbal Telepathic Communication: Leo developed a method of verbal telepathic communication with God, having a dialogue with himself. He interprets this as God speaking through the symbols, images, or languages that are most understandable to the individual. The Love Becomes Overwhelming: The love he experienced became so intense that his physical body and mind struggled to tolerate it, requiring a process of purification and letting go to accommodate deeper levels of love. Spiritual Catharsis: Leo underwent a spiritual catharsis, letting go of resistance to God's love, allowing himself to be guided into even deeper levels of self-love and spiritual growth. The Challenge of Continuous Psychedelic Use: Leo emphasizes the difficulty of his undertaking, highlighting that it was not pleasurable or escapist but required significant effort and determination. He had to push himself to continue his daily psychedelic experiences as part of his journey towards truth and love. Understanding of Psychedelic Work: Leo clarifies that his psychedelic work is not about addiction or escapism but a profound and often challenging exploration of consciousness that includes emotional purging and can drastically accelerate spiritual growth. Telepathic Guidance from God: Leo describes receiving telepathic guidance from God during his experiences. He acknowledges this seems like a duality but suggests it's akin to "training wheels" for his mind, which is conditioned to perceive the other as a separate guiding entity. He elaborates that while God's voice appears external, it's actually an aspect of his expanded consciousness. Understanding God's Forgiveness: Leo emphasizes that God's communication is accepting and forgiving, never judging, because God recognizes itself in everything. He stresses how God's acceptance can help heal one's self-hatred and denial, contributing to profound self-acceptance and love. Deeper Self-Acceptance: Over the course of multiple awakening experiences, Leo discovers that loving and accepting himself more deeply leads him to open up to even deeper levels of love subsequently. This process involved forgiving himself for perceived imperfections and transgressions. Purpose of Reality as a Love Contest: Leo had an insight that reality's true purpose is a "contest" to see who can love more. He asserts that the only significant pursuit for fully conscious beings is to engage in this race for love, which goes beyond personal love to an existential level. Reciprocal Love with God: Leo narrates a transformative experience where he engaged in a reciprocal "ping-pong game" of love with God. This interactive process led to a concentration of love, symbolizing infinity and purity, as the two mirrors of self and God aligned more closely over time. Loving the Unlovable: The experience of reciprocating love with God challenged Leo to love aspects of existence difficult to embrace, such as tragic world events and personal traumas. He discusses the need to reflect God's capacity to love unconditionally. God's Challenge to Expand Love: As God showered Leo with love, he realized his role was not to passively receive love but to actively give and embody it. This back-and-forth dynamic intensified, demanding that he confront and love all aspects of life and himself. Love as the Transformative Force: Leo makes the case that love, coupled with the acceptance of truth, is what leads to healing from dysfunction and suffering. He underscores that love is not just a sentimental emotion but a radical acceptance of reality. Deficiency of Love as Root of Dysfunction: Leo argues that addictive behaviors or psychological issues stem from a lack of love. He suggests that dysfunctions can worsen when not met with love, signifying the importance of infusing love into every aspect of life for healing. Challenge of Embracing Truth and Love: Leo Gura expresses that opening oneself up to truth and love is difficult, as it involves confronting and letting go of the lies and deceptions that make up the foundation of many individuals' lives. He acknowledges this resistance as a barrier to spiritual growth. Consequences of Lack of Love: He explains that dysfunctional behaviors in people, including criminality and abuse, often stem from a deficiency in love experienced during childhood. This lack of love pushes individuals to seek fulfillment in destructive ways. Transformative Power of Apology and Self-Love: During his experience, Leo had a profound realization about the importance of love—he apologized to himself for the first time in a meaningful way, regretting not having loved more. He learned that not loving oneself and others enough is the primary source of regret. God's Unconditional Love: Leo discusses God's love, emphasizing that divine love is unconditional and does not seek to change us. This realization that God accepts us as we are, with all our limitations and faults, is what drives transformation. Experiencing Gratitude through God's Love: The experience led Leo to express genuine gratitude for the first time, thanking God for love, which became a pivotal moment in his spiritual journey. Radiating Love: Leo talks about the experience of learning to radiate love in the same abundant way God does, comparing it to a contest of who can express more love. This interaction pushes the boundaries of one's ability to love even the most challenging aspects of life. Challenged to Love Unconditionally: In his interactions with God, Leo confronts the challenge to love difficult and traumatic aspects of life, such as past abuses or societal issues. This practice expands his capacity for love, testing his willingness to love what he previously couldn't. Contemplating Willingness to Suffer: Leo considers whether one is truly willing to experience the worst aspects of life—suffering, torture, and death—out of love. He realizes that God's love would endure these out of pure love and questions whether humans are prepared to do the same. Understanding of Reality as Infinite Consciousness: Leo comes to the understanding that reality is infinite formless consciousness manifesting as love, and this revelation brings about an intense fear of losing his individual self to become one with this love. Fear of Complete Awakening: He expresses fear over the potential loss of his individual identity and life as he knows it, should he fully merge with the infinite consciousness that is God's love. Merging and Dissolving into Love: Leo describes that complete awakening leads to the dissolution of the physical self and the unification with omniscient and omnipresent love, which is profoundly transformative yet frightening for him. Concern for the Impact on Loved Ones: Despite the profound realization, Leo is concerned about the suffering his transformation into pure love might cause his family and friends, as it would result in his physical death. He acknowledges that this is only the beginning of his spiritual exploration. Contemplating the Essence of Reality: Leo intensely questions the ultimate essence of reality, leading to his consciousness becoming more omniscient, interconnected, and ultimately forming a singularity of pure love. Analogy of Infinite Consciousness: He compares his increasing consciousness to a light bulb being dialed up, becoming brighter and infinitely more conscious, indicating a continuous expansion without an endpoint. Consciousness as Infinite Subdivision: Leo describes consciousness as infinitely subdividing, immediately spawning an endless number of branches in all directions, symbolizing the endless fractal nature of awareness and its interconnectedness. Realization of God as Love: Through this experience, he faces an oscillating inner dialogue about the nature of God, ultimately realizing, despite resistance, that reality is infinite love. The End of Individual Existence: Confronted with fear, Leo understands that fully embracing this singularity of consciousness would mean the end of individual life and the physical universe as he knows it, merging into oneness with all existence. Awakening as the End and Beginning: He recognizes that awakening to this pure love is both an end—death to the ego and personal identity—and a beginning—entry into an infinite state of being that is the true nature of reality. Struggle with the Finality of Transformation: Leo grapples with the idea of completely transcending physical existence and the impact it would have on his loved ones, recognizing both the irrelevance in the face of infinite love and his struggle to accept this finality. Preview of Ultimate Awakening: He shares that his experience gave him a preview of Maha Samadhi—dying while awake—and the commitment it entails, ultimately deciding he wasn't ready to merge with this infinite consciousness permanently yet. Ongoing and Intense Experiences: After ceasing the use of 5-MeO-DMT, Leo continues to undergo profound and terrifying insights and awakenings, struggling with the irresistible pull toward the infinite singularity and the fear of losing his individual existence. Multidimensional Nature of Awakening: Leo describes awakening not just as a single event but as having multiple, unimaginable dimensions, each one deeper and more expansive, hinting at an infinite potential for spiritual exploration and discovery. Continuing Exploration of Awakening: Leo shares that he has only begun to explore the "second dimension of awakening" and recognizes that this journey into awakening appears to be infinite, causing him a great deal of fear and emotional upheaval. Struggles with Integration: After the retreat, Leo spent several weeks dealing with sleeplessness and emotional turmoil as he attempted to integrate and comprehend the profound experiences and insights from his 30-day psychedelic journey. Uncertainty about Permanent Awakening: Leo expresses uncertainty about whether it's possible to stabilize these heightened states of consciousness (like Maha Samadhi) permanently and questions what happens post-Maha Samadhi, such as reincarnation or transitioning to another dimension. Humbling Experiences: These experiences have humbled Leo and made him question the depth of understanding that other enlightened teachers or masters possess about reality. Leon’s Insight about Awakening: He insists that the distinction between permanent and impermanent consciousness is an arbitrary human imposition, and experiencing infinite God consciousness, even if just for a second, is as real as a more prolonged experience. Integration and Teaching: Leo contemplates how to achieve these profound states of consciousness naturally, without psychedelics, and reflects on the authenticity and effectiveness of his teachings, considering the notion that when fully awakened, there would be no one else to teach because everyone would be understood as one. Shift in Teaching Focus: He anticipates a probable shift in his teaching style toward being more compassionate and loving, playing fewer "games," and placing a stronger emphasis on teaching love. Defining Reality: Leo concludes that the most significant insight from his experience is that reality is love, and he hopes to witness others come to this realization—that they, too, are love. Re-evaluation of Teaching: After his exploration, he has been re-evaluating not just his teaching methods but also whether he should continue to teach at all, given the realization that ultimately, he is only teaching himself. Advising Critical Thinking: Despite sharing profound insights, Leo cautions against turning his teachings into an ideology, advocating for open-mindedness and an individual approach to the spiritual journey. Openness to Diverse Spiritual Paths: He recognizes that his path may not directly apply to others, as everyone's journey, including the use of psychedelics, traumas, and emotional challenges, is different. Understanding the Depth of Awakening: Leo encourages listeners to consider that their awakening may not be complete, and there might be deeper levels of truth to discover. He emphasizes the importance of a continual search for truth regardless of where it may lead. Acknowledging Incomplete Transformation: Leo admits that while he has experienced profound awakenings, he has not reached the pinnacle of understanding or completed his personal healing journey. He still deals with his own physical and health issues. Fidelius Charm
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What Is Death - How Immortality Works https://youtu.be/1zjuDdysOL8 "Oh wow.. Oh wow... Oh wow..." - Steve Jobs' last words Death as an unchallenged assumption: Leo points out that people often accept the concept of death without questioning its reality or the assumption that it's unknowable. He challenges viewers to consider the validity of these preconceived notions. Equivalence of death to positive absolutes: Leo claims that what we perceive as death actually equates to infinite love, consciousness, God, immortality, paradise or heaven, and complete non-duality—a transformative state rather than an end. Materialism vs. experiential insight: He emphasizes that the insights he shares about death are not beliefs or ideologies but are based on direct experiences, urging viewers to validate these truths through their experience rather than accepting them on faith. Death misconstrued due to self-bias: Leo discusses how the fear-driven, self-centric view distorts the perception of death, causing humans to view it negatively while they lack an objective understanding of what it actually entails. Life as identity construction: He argues that life and existence are not merely biological processes but rather constructions of identity within the mind, suggesting that we perpetuate our own existence through continual reaffirmation of this constructed identity. Tree metaphor for self and identity: Using the example of a tree, Leo explains that just as there is no inherent tree identity from the tree's own point of view, humans project and construct their identities as well, implying that our conceptions of life and death are similarly self-created. Relativity and Arbitrariness of Identity: Our identities are not fixed or factual but are constructed based on various layers of identification such as race, gender, nationality, profession, and even the idea of being a biological entity. Identity Creation and Birth: Leo suggests that birth is not a biological process but an identity created by telling oneself what they are. If one stops affirming their identity based on any characteristics, they would theoretically have never been born. Constant Reaffirmation of Life: Staying alive is a continuous act of affirming one's identity, done every moment by affirming attributes such as humanity, gender, beliefs, and personal stories. Death Through Loss of Identity: Leo defines death as the end of identifying with any construct, explaining that the loss of identity within different layers leads to a figurative death, evidenced by the mourning of lost social status or wealth. Existence Without Identity: If one could completely relinquish all layers of identity, including the fundamental belief in being a living biological entity, life would continue, but it would be as if they had never been born—their existence would continue without a personal identity. True Self as Non-Identification: Removing all artificial layers of identity leads one to discover their 'True Self', a state of formless, infinite, and empty consciousness where the distinction between 'I' and 'everything' dissolves. Physical Death vs. Psychological Death: Leo argues that physical death is unnecessary for understanding death because the body is just another identity layer. By deconstructing this identity, one can experience death without physical dying. Direct Experience of Psychological Death: Leo speaks from his experience, claiming that he has repeatedly gone through psychological death, realizing that death doesn't involve going anywhere as there is no 'here' or 'there' in the state of true consciousness. Death as Demonized Social Construct: Societal views on death have been shaped by a cultural agreement to view it as something to be feared and avoided at all costs. This view supports the idea of survival but is based on the false premise that survival defends something real. Eliminating the Fear of Death: Imagining a life without the fear of death can lead to fundamental changes in attitudes toward work and relationships and could eliminate fear from life completely, as fear is shown to be a powerful tool of self-deception. Death Cloaked in Fear Hides Truth: The universal fear of death prevents the exploration of existential truths such as love, infinity, and God, which have been metaphorically tagged as death, adding to the depth of fear and misunderstanding. Duality of existence: Leo describes life as an expression of selfishness, delusion, and attachment, while death is seen as selflessness, truth, and freedom. He contrasts the two states, presenting death as a dissolution of identity and a merging with infinite consciousness. Existential love contrasted with human love: He distinguishes between human notions of love and existential love, which is formless consciousness. Leo suggests that death brings about an experience of existential love that transcends our conventional understanding of love. Death as transformation: Leo explains that at the time of death, personal identity dissolves completely, allowing one to merge with the universe and become indistinguishable from everything, leading to infinite and formless existence. Metaphor of water: Using the metaphor of water, Leo illustrates the transition from having a specific shape to becoming shapeless. He relates this to death, conceptualizing it as moving from a defined form to a state of formlessness, which he views as our truest nature. Living from a place of formlessness: He suggests that it is possible to live from a place of formlessness without physical death, by detaching from all identity. This detachment would allow for universal relation and appreciation of existence. Attachment as a spiritual obstacle: Leo highlights how attachment to material things like wealth or success prevents one from realizing formless and infinite identity. He echoes religious teachings that identify attachment as contrary to spiritual growth. The irony of fearing death: He acknowledges that despite his assertions that death is a state of absolute love and beauty, individuals remain terrified of losing their specific form and identity. Cycle of division and unification: Leo explains that life involves a continuous process of division (birth) and unification (death), with both existing within a universal formless identity. Tragedy and irony of human existence: He perceives human life as a series of elaborate schemes to avoid the profound reality of infinite love, which is so overwhelming that it obliterates finite existence. Infinite love as both terrifying and beautiful: Leo asserts that the most tragic aspect of human life is the denial of the total beauty and goodness of existence, termed infinite love, which we avoid to maintain our finite identities. Unified Consciousness Through Death: When individuals pass away, their separation dissolves, and they merge with the collective consciousness which is ever-present. Leo asserts that all who have ever lived, including historical figures like Caesar and contemporary loved ones, are part of this collective and have never actually gone anywhere. Societal Denial of Infinite Consciousness: Society, families, and individuals vehemently deny the concept of infinite love and collective consciousness, often labeling those who speak of it as delusional or insane. This denial, according to Leo, is necessary to maintain the illusion of being separate, finite beings. Relativity of Death: Leo describes death as being relative. What dies is merely the personal identity, while from an absolute standpoint, nothing really dies. He posits that existence is a constantly reincarnating phenomenon, with reality being a shape-shifting manifestation that is inherently immortal. Immortality Through Identity Shift: Leo reflects on an early insight he had about immortality that originated from a Zen parable. Realizing immortality entails shifting one's identity from being limited and finite, like a tree, to being the whole forest, and ultimately to identifying with the totality of the universe. Universe vs Universe: Differentiating between the finite, scientific universe (with a lowercase 'u') and the absolute, all-encompassing universe (with an uppercase 'U'), Leo claims that true immortality resides in identifying with the latter, which is neither created nor destroyed. The Irony of Resistance: Leo discusses how many people's skepticism and pessimism are actually a denial of the fundamental nature of love and goodness inherent in existence. He assures that regardless of resistance, everyone will eventually become one with this infinite love, which is the true design of life. Self-Deception and Alignment with Life: Leo speaks of life as a journey toward recognizing and transcending one's self-imposed limitations. Alignment with the process of self-transcendence results in peace and joy, while clinging to self-deception leads to suffering. Reincarnation as an Infinite Process: From the highest perspective, everything reincarnates infinitely. As such, after one's physical demise, identity or form becomes irrelevant because, at the absolute level, one is already experiencing existence through every possible form. Knowledge Through Death: Leo suggests the only way to fully understand these concepts of death and immortality is to experience a kind of death personally. To know these truths, one must go beyond intellectual speculation and engage with direct experience. Rejecting Physical Suicide: Despite discussing the illusion of death, Leo reaffirms that one does not need to engage in physical suicide—using this understanding as a means to deepen appreciation for life and to embody the paradox of being both finite and infinite. Discouragement of physical suicide: Leo stresses that physical suicide out of depression or misery is not necessary and counterproductive, emphasizing that it is done out of a misplaced sense of self, which is ultimately selfish. Advocacy for mental and existential transcendence: He advocates for transcending suffering and depression not physically but mentally or existentially, and for becoming an example to others of spiritual possibilities. Appreciation for physical existence: Leo encourages embracing and appreciating the beauty and wonder of the material world, acknowledging it as an amazing and remarkable manifestation of love in physical form. Impermanence of form: He acknowledges the temporal nature of all formed things, including humans, planets, and stars, noting that while they are mortal, consciousness, truth, and love are immortal absolutes. Oneness and immortality: Leo discusses the concept of oneness, asserting that in a state of total oneness, notions of death are irrelevant, as there is no 'other place' to go. Shift in identity towards the absolute: He suggests a shift in perception from identifying as a human to identifying as the totality or the absolute (God) to realize a form of immortality. Acknowledgment of residual attachments: Despite spiritual awakening, Leo recognizes that individuals may still harbor attachments to life and mortality, and he highlights the difficulty in completely detaching from all aspects of material existence. Joy in dual existence: He advises enjoying life's experiences and dual aspects—physical life and spiritual immortality—without choosing between them, stating the reality allows the enjoyment of both sides. Descendo
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Conscious Politics - Part 1 - The Deepest Political Analysis You'll Ever Hear https://youtu.be/klWq18u3GiU "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." - Plato Purpose of the 'Conscious Politics' Series: Leo plans a multi-part series on 'conscious politics', aiming to correct widespread ignorance about politics and government, and provide a new holistic approach with practical applications. Personal Political Awakening: Leo shares that, parallel to his personal spiritual awakening, he has undergone a political awakening. This has led to profound insights, which he intends to translate into tangible policy proposals under the banner of 'conscious politics'. Definitions and Requirements for Understanding: Detailed foundational theories and modalities such as non-duality, spiral dynamics, self-deception, and systems thinking are required to grasp the concepts Leo will be discussing about 'conscious politics'. Self-Deception in Politics: Voters and politicians are mutually self-deceived, which complicates the political landscape, extending beyond simplistic finger-pointing at specific leaders or parties. Global Relevance of Discussed Principles: Although Leo utilizes examples from American politics, the principles he discusses are universally applicable to political situations worldwide. Spirituality and Politics Integration: Rejecting the notion that spirituality and politics should be separated, Leo stresses the role of politics in elevating societal and individual consciousness, and advocates for the involvement of conscious individuals in politics. Hazards of Political Apathy: Refusing to engage in politics leads to the proliferation of unconscious politics, characterized by selfishness and destructive behaviors, which Leo refers to as "devilry." Insufficiency of Traditional Spiritual Teachings: Leo criticizes traditional spiritual teachings for lacking modern insights such as ecology and modern psychology, and calls for an integrated approach where philosophy and politics complement each other. Introduction to 'Conscious Politics': Leo presents 'conscious politics' as an innovative approach, integrating deep theoretical foundations with practical policy implications, addressing the complex and deceptive nature of politics. Culture Wars and Politics: The current political climate is marred by culture wars fueled by social justice warriors and their opponents. This leads to a distraction from serious issues and derails meaningful discussions. Transcendence of Partisan Politics: Leo Gura stresses the importance of transcending conventional partisan politics and group think. He asserts that both the political left and right are flawed and encourages aiming for higher consciousness in political thought. Limitations of Political Positions: Leo advises that we should acknowledge the limitations of any political position we hold, understanding that they are partial and may serve as a defense mechanism for our egos. Elevation in Conscious Politics: At the heart of conscious politics is the idea of elevation, which refers to the level of self-awareness and consciousness, surpassing the simplistic binary of left versus right politics. Misperceptions in Media Analysis: Media tends to ignore the conscious-unconscious spectrum in politics, getting caught in the left-right dichotomy and misanalyzing the political scenario. Government Taken for Granted: Leo argues that modern citizens take government for granted due to the success and efficiency of state functions, leading to complacency and the adoption of dismissive ideologies about government's value. Government as a Technology: Leo characterizes government as a technology more significant than the internet or electricity, underscoring its role in creating democracy, free speech, minority rights, and more, which were once radical innovations. Danger of Status Quo Thinking: He cautions against being trapped in the status quo, emphasizing the need for openness to radical new advances within society and government as it grows and evolves. Government's Scale and Complexity: Leo explains that the government is an extraordinary organization that manages to build consensus among hundreds of millions of people with varying ideologies, a feat that should not be underestimated. Misconceptions about the Role of Government: Tackling the notion that government is only a burden, Leo lists the extensive protections and services provided by the government including protection from enslavement, oppression, theft, and ensuring property rights and fair court systems. Government as a Protector and Provider: Leo describes government as an essential provider of services like crime prevention, emergency services, natural disaster relief, healthcare, and infrastructure such as roads and sewage systems. It also supports citizens through poverty relief, public education, and research and development for health. Subsidies and Regulations for Public Welfare: Leo mentions farming subsidies to prevent famines, building codes for safe construction, and food regulations to maintain hygiene and avoid health hazards, illustrating government's role in ensuring public welfare and safety. Enforcement of Minority Rights: The maintenance and enforcement of minority rights are highlighted as a critical role of government, which prevents the oppression of minorities by the majority, and Leo stresses that without government, minority rights would be at risk. Private Sector Limitations: Leo argues against the libertarian notion that the private sector can replace government functions. He emphasizes the private sector's profit motive can undermine fair adjudication and public welfare, potentially leading to exploitative and unchecked corporate power. Vital Functions Beyond Private Capabilities: Leo outlines areas where government is essential, such as protecting citizens from enslavement, providing a just court system, and preventing corporately-owned nuclear proliferation, functions the private sector cannot objectively or fairly manage. Myth of Non-Aggression Principle: Leo challenges the libertarian idea of the non-aggression principle by asserting that enforcing moral norms requires a form of aggression, which is the role of the government to maintain order and protect citizens from exploitation. Critique of Stage Orange Political Views: Leo critiques the Spiral Dynamics stage Orange level of cognitive development, common among libertarians, for its naiveté regarding the nature of freedom, individualism, materialism, and the reality of collective problems in society. Responsibility in Materialist Philosophy: Leo stresses the flaws of a hyper-materialistic society, highlighting the need for more than just economic growth and profit maximization to address societal issues, and challenges the toxic masculinity that often accompanies materialist philosophy. Myopic Selfish Mentality: Leo criticizes the selfish attitude prevalent in society where individuals prioritize personal gain over the well-being of others and the environment, assuming they can insulate themselves from societal issues. Misunderstood Necessity of Bureaucracy: Leo challenges the negative perception of bureaucracy, arguing that high-quality bureaucracy is crucial for a country's development and is a distinguishing feature between first and third-world countries. Role of Government in History: Leo traces the evolution of government, explaining it arose from human advancements in agriculture and settlement, enabling the accumulation of resources which required protection. Brutality of the Animal Kingdom: He describes the animal kingdom as ruled by survival instincts without moral or ethical codes, and how humans, through the establishment of government, have curated a space to protect themselves from this brutality. The Birth of City-states: Leo depicts the rise of ancient city-states as defensive measures against the norm of conquering, looting, enslaving, and raping neighboring tribes, illustrating a move towards organization and protection. Freedom's Complexity and Brutality: Dispelling notions of freedom as unequivocally positive, Leo asserts that true unrestricted freedom in human societies would lead to chaos, emphasizing the government's role in moderating this by implementing rules for fairness and peace. Government's Role in Unification: He credits government with unifying diverse groups with different ethical beliefs and values by establishing common legal standards to maintain order and protect citizens against extreme violence and anarchy. Technology of Government: Leo presents government as the most remarkable human technology for achieving fairness and peace, a counterintuitive notion as it necessitates limiting absolute freedom in exchange for safety and collective advancement. Trade-offs and Benefits of Government: Discussing the balance between individual freedom and governmental control, Leo notes that while some freedoms are surrendered, governments enable the construction of society-improving infrastructure, paradoxically increasing overall freedom. Inevitable Role of Government in Modern Conveniences: Governmental infrastructure plays a crucial role in enabling modern conveniences like global travel, the internet, and space exploration. The liberties we enjoy today, such as instant global communication and international flights, would not be possible without stable governments laying the foundation for such advancements. Interplay of Individualism and Collectivism: Leo Gura talks about the necessity of balancing individual freedoms with the benefits of collectivism. Mankind thrives the most when it forms cohesive collectives on a large scale, unlike smaller animal groups that lack complex organization. Society and Holons: The concept that people are both individuals and parts of a larger whole, or 'holons,' is discussed. Just like the hand is part of the body and serves a purpose within a larger system, individuals must balance their autonomy with their roles within the greater collective of society. Problems with Extreme Individualism: Excessive individualism is criticized, especially within libertarian and Stage Orange thinking, for neglecting the interconnected nature of society. The balance between individual freedom and contributing to the collective is essential for a flourishing community and government. Government's Role in Group Regulation: Leo emphasizes that government is responsible not only for individuals' quality of life but also for regulating the various groups within society, such as religious denominations, corporations, and political factions. Politics as a Reflection of Identity and Survival: Politics is deeply intertwined with identity and survival. The negotiation of power and resources is influenced by the identities and collective egos present within society, with each group seeking to ensure its own survival. Recognition of Humankind’s Evolutionary Political Arc: Human political history shows an arc leading toward greater equality, consciousness, freedom, and unity. Governments play a central role in building a society that facilitates complexity and advanced human activities, like space exploration, which wouldn’t be possible without organized governance. Survival Dependent on Identity: Survival is tied to individual or collective identity, and politics is fundamentally a negotiation of individual and group survival strategies. Practically, politics is about moderating levels of selfishness among competing agendas to avoid extremity and devastation. Recurring Patterns of Division and Unity: Reality at a metaphysical level involves a cycle of dividing and reuniting. Humankind has historically divided into tribes and nations but has also seen periods of unification and cohesion. This natural process suggests cycles of unity following divisions are essential for sustainable progress. Central Role of Identity in Politics: Identity, whether individual or collective, is central to politics. It determines what needs to survive and thus becomes the subject of political negotiation, resulting in politics often being passionate, emotional, and irrational due to people's lack of consciousness about their own identity-driven behaviors. Managing Selfishness through Government: Government and politics serve to regulate the inherent selfishness in human nature by providing a system that moderates the distribution of power and resources, aiming to keep selfish behaviors in check to ensure a stable society. Selfishness and Karma: Selfish actions tend to provoke retaliation, creating a cycle of aggression. When one acts with extreme selfishness, it breeds resentment and potential violence in others, which in turn can lead to acts of revenge. Politics as a Negotiation of Power: Politics involves a negotiation over the distribution of power and resources. Government and politics are consistently concerned with this redistribution, contrary to the notion that it's exclusive to socialist agendas. Selfishness in Redistribution: Many individuals and corporations aim to maximize their own power and resources without concern for fairness or equality. This is evident in practices like lobbying, where entities influence government to benefit themselves at the expense of others. Reduction of Brutality and Oppression: The long-term goal of politics should be to reduce brutality and oppression, creating equitable systems that benefit society as a whole. Government should work to create a fairer distribution of resources and develop infrastructures that elevate societal freedom and complexity. Community and Evolution: Government and politics foster community and participate in the evolution of society by supporting large-scale cooperative events that build social cohesion. They also contribute to emergent higher levels of organizational complexity and consciousness. Consensus Building in Government: With diverse survival agendas, creating consensus in government is challenging. Government tries to satisfy the majority and prioritize decisions that are generally beneficial, which leads to culture wars, policy debates, and conflicts. Relativity of the Best Government: The concept of the 'best' government is misleading because it's relative; what benefits one group's survival might not benefit another's. Recognizing the absence of absolute right or wrong is key to understanding and addressing disagreements. Societal Inclusivity in Government: Unlike other organizations, government must be inclusive, catering to all societal members, even the most problematic ones. Instead of isolating problematic individuals, it's more effective to integrate and manage them with proper systems and infrastructure. Interconnectivity in Addressing Societal Problems: Dealing with the challenges of fringe members of society, like the poor or mentally ill, requires integrated and humane solutions. Helping and satisfying these individuals can prevent harmful behaviors that affect society.[BR] On Isolationist Policies: Government should not engage in isolationist policies such as walling off or confining troublesome elements, as they do not address the root problems and can ultimately lead to larger issues due to global interconnectivity. Complex Nature of Collectives: Governance is uniquely challenging because it must be inclusive and account for all types of people and multiple intersecting collectives, not just a select elite minority. Government and Worldviews: Governing is complicated by the vastly different worldviews and survival agendas of people, each constructing their reality from their mental constructs, making unification a complex task. Pragmatism in Governance: Government is a highly pragmatic endeavor dealing with vital life-and-death issues affecting billions, including famine, poverty, oppression, and violence, which go beyond theoretical politics. On Evolution of Government: Governments evolve through natural selection and trial and error, and unlike biological evolution, human society can consciously participate in shaping government, giving individuals significant responsibility in its design. Thought Experiment on Reincarnation: Suggests that choosing a fair and equal government becomes crucial if one is to reincarnate into various identities throughout the world, highlighting the importance of fairness and avoiding selfish biases. Ultimate Aim of Government: The primary aim of government should be to elevate consciousness and love as it transcends different identities and is a universal human desire, guiding the design of society away from materialism and toward these values. Materialism and Government Design: Points out that if governments are not designed to elevate consciousness and love, they default to fostering low consciousness values like materialism, greed, and division. Spirituality in Government: Proposes that a non-ideological form of spirituality should underpin government and society, avoiding scientism and materialism, and dismissing notions that this would lead to a theocracy. Evolutionary Perspective on Politics and Government: Leo Gura describes how understanding the origin of life and the universe as an infinitely expanding love fractal recontextualizes politics and government. He emphasizes that aligning with the force of evolution could lead to creating a beautiful society and reducing suffering. Conscious Politics vs Traditional Politics: Leo contrasts conscious politics with traditional politics, stating that the latter is about selfishness, not consciousness or love. He advocates for a holistic approach that includes raising consciousness and love universally, transcending human affairs and including all living beings. Integration of Individual and Collective Consciousness: He stresses the interconnectedness of individual and collective consciousness, promoting societal structures that allow people to meet their basic needs and thus pursue higher consciousness, benefiting not just the individuals but society as a whole. Vicious Cycle of Low Consciousness: Leo identifies a cycle where a low consciousness government creates low consciousness citizens who in turn support a low consciousness government. He suggests that establishing a high consciousness government can reverse this cycle, leading to positive societal development. End Self-Dealing in Government: Leo criticizes self-dealing and corruption within government, advocating for the end of these practices. He calls for responsible government that provides value for taxpayers' money and citizens who are politically aware and hold their government accountable. Materialism and the Role of Government: Leo criticizes materialism and highlights the need for government and society to be underpinned by spirituality focused on consciousness and love rather than profit. He warns against businessmen running governments like businesses as it can undermine efficacy and citizen well-being. Eliminating Corruption Instead of Government: Leo disputes libertarian claims that smaller government is better, arguing for good, effective, and responsible government instead. He insists combating corruption and self-dealing should be the focus, as government and taxation are inherent necessities. Accountability and Education in Politics: He urges voters to be educated and engaged in political processes. Active political participation and an informed citizenry are seen as the solutions to government problems, not privatization or undermining the government. Reforming Existing Government Structures: Leo calls for reforming and evolving current government structures rather than creating new ones, akin to the process of human evolution. He concludes by promising more practical insights and principles for conscious politics in the continuation of his talk. Flagrate
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At the highest level all you have is beingness and abideness being stuck with yourself forever in an everlasting presence. Being extremely conscious abiding in your own vibration and love that you can't share with anyone but only yourself. The ego is created because the seeking never stops, so you create a play in your own imagination After having had a taste of different dreams and how good it actually is even when you know you lie to yourself you still prefer being stuck in a dream. Guru's that claimed being released from the cycle of reincarnation are all not conscious enough, you will always reincarnate to different dreams. Your unlimited no time presence is not experienced as the life is here, you can't really abide in yourself forever as there is only presence. Your stay at the highest level will be short
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Water by the River replied to ChrisZoZo's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
David Spangler, Subtle Worlds - An Explorer's Field Notes. Chapter 8: Soul Jürgen Ziewe, Multidimensional Man. A Voyage of Discovery into the Heart of Creation. Chapter The final journey, 25th August 1980 Chris Bache, LSD and the Mind of the Universe: Diamonds from Heaven. Chapter Reincarnation and the Soul and more on request. Soul. Imagined and appearing of course. Like everything else. Therefor, as real or unreal as anything else... Or, in other words, as real or unreal as ones car. Yet, a little more durable, like in... immortal, surviving death. From life to life, dream to dream. And more important. The epic game of forgetting and finding, played by Infinite Consciousness/Being/Reality... Souls... very much worth taking care of on this relative level of ours. Especially when venturing to far out realms, where no man has gone before.... hic sunt dracones. Selling Soul-Eddies in the Water by the River PS: And like Inliytened1 wrote above: A concept. From the perspective of Absolute Truth. Like every other manifestatation, as real or unreal as anything else. As long as this concept is not seen through, no realization of Absolute Reality. Yet, the (relative) concept 2+2=4 holds more (relative) truth than 2+2=5. Same with the concept soul: relative, appearing truth, not Absolute Truth. But since Absolute Truth contains Relative Truth, and as we all know, relative (un-) Truth can make a lot of trouble.... "Although my view is higher than the sky (Absolute Truth), my respect for the cause and effect of actions is as fine as grains of flour (relative truth)". -
Someone here replied to Galyna's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Oh shit ..I wish that death is like eternal sleep . No reincarnation no resurrection no nothing. Just endless Zzzz 😴 -
Osaid replied to Simbruh's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
"Enlightenment is a simple realization..." *spends the rest of the video talking about reincarnation, Sadghuru, Buddhism, and then never addresses what enlightenment is* Ok, just scrolled through his channel, and literally all his videos are either Sadghuru, Buddhism, or reincarnation. So yeah summed it up pretty well there lmao. -
Ishanga replied to r0ckyreed's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The Insights are not new, they will naturally come to someone when their Awareness is raised and more intense as time goes on, how we express it may differ but in the end we are all saying the samethings in a general sense, little details maybe not the same but mostly insights are similar to others in the past... Life Insights: 1) Pain is real, Suffering is a choice, it happens mostly mentally, we over think, become too Intellectual and everything starts to offend You because of highly addicted population to ideologies, concepts and teachings that are outside of themselves, learned from data input via the 5 senes... 2) Successful ppl suffering just as much as Poor or Deprived ppl, maybe more, because once You have all the Money, Power, Fame, Admiration, Success, etc, and You still feel empty, then what else is there too do but get addicted to drugs/booze, gambling, sex, or some sort of death wish that requires you to do dangerous things to feel alive (think Tom Cruise)... 3) Technology or anything that we have invented for ourselves is mostly there as a convenience, not as a source or reason for Life to go on..nothing really new has been invented just things that are extensions of what we already have available to us naturally... 4) Reincarnation is True, many examples of kids knowing areas of geography, or have skills within them that would be impossible to learn at their age, Karma or result of residual actions travel from embodied life to emboded life, until one has reached a level of Awareness to move on to another plane.. -
BlueOak replied to Elshaddai's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Self love. Loving everything for what it is and what you are. This is what all life is returning to. Cultivate a spiritual practice that you do daily. Whatever that is, if you need examples: ex Third Eye Work, Meditation, Astral Travel, Past life regression, A form of Yoga, Taoism with Mantak Chia, Spiritual Ninja practicing ninjitsu etc. Whatever it is, its the ritual and selfess dedication to it that's important. Listen to some of the people Leo gives as examples in this thread: Quote: Shunyamurti, Thomas Campbell, Yoda, David Hawkins, Ken Wilber, Shinzen Young, Deepak Chopra, Stan Grof, Osho, Mooji, Ramaji, Rupert Spira, Eckhart Tolle’s A New Earth, Yogananda, Martin Ball, Terence McKenna, Carl Jung, Sri Aurobindo, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, Ervin Laszlo, David Loy, Alan Watts, Wim Hof, Matt Kahn, Dalai Lama, Sasha Shulgin, yoga, holotropic breathwork, The Holographic Universe, Akashic Records, noosphere, opening the 3rd eye, pineal gland, out of body experiences, samadhi experiences, siddhis, paranormal abilities, clairvoyants, channels, mediums, Bashar, Aleister Crowley, Rudolf Steiner, alternative healing systems, Maya, psychedelics, 5-MeO-DMT, StarTrek: The Q, Rupert Sheldrake’s morphogenetic fields, Dean Radin’s paranormal research, Gandhi’s ideas of pluralistic harmony, Gaia, biocentrism, Monroe Institute, Esalen Institute, transpersonal psychology, Jung’s collective unconscious, quantum field theory, sacred geometry, reincarnation, opening chakras, saints, sages, mystics, prophets, etc. Listening is enough, spending time with them is better. For me it was Sevan Bomar, Almine, Teal Swan, Mooji, Sadhguru, Daniel Winter, Marko Rodin, Carl sagen, Carl jung, Alan watts, Leo Gura, Don Miguel Ruiz etc. I've had the benefit and privilege of listening to some of the finest minds on this planet, have you? No, then go do so! *Sorry this double posted before I was ready, nice case of duality -
Phoenix Garfield replied to BlessedLion's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
There's a reason why in Gnostic thought and circles that the Demiurge is considered to be an evil entity or at least and misguided, foolish figure. Imagine, if you will, you were given the chance to create or manipulate physical reality from scratch and you can fulfill your wildest dreams and desires but spiritually speaking you were still a young and naïve child in your development. If you had no consideration for anyone else, any other lifeform or for the pre-existing rules in this reality of yours, it would end very, very badly for you and everyone else. You wouldn't know the can of worms you could be opening. A lot of the early Christians and Gnostics believed this and considering what time period they came from, it makes sense. On a side note, there's also a reason why Jains believe that when once you escape the cycle of death and reincarnation, you enter a realm where the most enlightened beings just sit, chill and watch Creation from afar, without ever needing to manipulate or touch up reality to their wishes. Think about it this this way, we're limited with our bodies and we can only manipulate reality with our 8 fingers and 2 thumbs. But with those fingers and thumbs, we've (humanity as a whole), has created some truly amazing and exceptional things. This simple comic could have only been drawn by a human being, but like what Leo said about transhumanism: Man becomes God. A cat has got your Pipe: (a relevant video in line with this thread I promise you) -
Ishanga replied to Circassia To Rostov's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Circassia To Rostov We have a natural fear of pain, especially this sort of pain that is intentionally inflected upon someone by another. Why does it happen? Because the Torturer is not feeling any sort of connection to the one being tortured, simple as that, most of the ppl of the world live like this but are not at that sort of extreme level of disconnect. Belief can be dangerous, but we are on a internet forum where all we have is logic, intellect to communicate with, so I do believe in reincarnation, there's lots of evidence of it, but Enlightenment is the end of the cycle of birth/death on a physical level for sure. There may be other realms above this, that is all debateable, we are here now in this realm and have to make the best of it. Don't live via belief or past/future memory/imagination POV, just be in the Now, you can learn and become wise from the past and plan for the future, but if You are in fear that means You living in the future, which does not yet exist, so that in itself is a form of insanity. just find some method or practices, stay with it, get to a point of Peace within Yourself, don't bother with notions of Enlightenment, Reincarnation and such things, just be at Peace with what is, then go on from there naturally... -
Breakingthewall replied to Circassia To Rostov's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
With the issue of reincarnation we imagine a similar experience, with subject, object and development, but who knows how things can be. everything is absolutely enigmatic, the depth of reality is unfathomable. -
Soul Flight replied to Circassia To Rostov's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Circassia To Rostov All is one. You are god and you are everybody else. It is the monad, brahman, and Dao. Separation is an illusion. The duality reduces to the monad. You may get reincarnated and go back in time and be your current sibling, friend, coworker, parent, etc. So they are you at this very moment. This applies to all of history. Another thought is maybe in some other dimension we actually volunteer for experiences like torture. It may be the most sought after reincarnation. Another thought is dualism and the two black and white fishes going around in the yin yang symbol. So after infinite reincarnations, 50% of them are bad and 50% of them good. It all averages out. The torture will be balanced by euphoria and bliss. Stop thinking and live. Just be. You are mentally masturbating yourself and avoiding the real work. All is distraction. The Hindu Maya. Follow the Hindu Lila. Good luck!
