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@Nahm thats what i thought too but if that's the case then when enlightenment happens you are awakened. Period. This concept of permanent awakening doesnt exist..that's death. I agreed with you initially but thats not what Leo is saying unless he is saying what i mentioned earlier..to walk around post enlightenment conscious of what you are and what reality is as concept and not being Being it itself.

I really want to share this video as it’s something that missing l in A LOT of people’s understanding of the ramifications of pursuing enlightenment. This was pretty much the realization I had from my acid trip and I honestly couldn’t have worded it better than Ken does here. There is paradox when you awaken. The question is... are you actually going to do the best you can at living that paradox? Or are you just going to play on one side of the street? Actually watch the damn video too. What kinda person do you really have to be to do that? Do you fundamentally understand what you’re actually realizing/pursuing? You think a fully awakened human being just neglects the very world that they themselves are?

By "enlightenment" I mean complete non-identification with the ego and eternal state of Samadhi. Do you want to have sex in this state? A question for people with both awakened kundalini, and yet without. I am asking that people who have not experienced this should not write anything.

War is not peace. If so it would not have his own word. Seeing war as a normal thing a common delusion A true awakened human doesn't believe in a so call'd normal cycle of shit. They become the new circle True awakening means having the power to break the wheel. Not accept the wheel' that is only 50% on the road for get out of sleep

Breath work workshop with gongs 50 minutes of continues breath work followed by 20 minutes of normal breathing with gongs. We bagan. Lied down. Underneath a throw with my sock across my eyes. I took my hoodie off because I knew I would get sweaty. I started to breath. Ego kicked in straight away. "Can't be bothered doing this for an hour." Blah blah blah. I felt the resistance to the activity. I remained with the breath. After however long... I had gone. I was no longer me. I started to cry, started to tense my fists in complete resistance to something, I was holding on to something. I could feel this energy in the upper chest, pushing down on me. My lungs filled with air as I conjured up this huge fucking emotion... I heard distant blurred voices. 'This is what you wanted isn't it?' my back arched as I sat up holding onto but releasing this emotion at the same time. I felt one of the ladies place her hands on my legs to ground me. I felt someone else place her hands on my head. She whispered. 'surrender.' 'I can't!.' I cried. This surrender it was asking for was to come from the core, my very being, it was a universal surrender I had yet to experience. I raised my arms, my body shaking like a pneumatic drill, I placed my hands on her arms for some sort of support I needed. Tears where pouring down my face. I felt this beautiful sensation specifically around the areas of the body that are injured. My hip and lower back where being loved it felt. I started laughing, hysterically. Don't know why. Then I felt something I have never felt before. This light, this enengy of what felt like complete love (I don't even think love is the right word it feels to shallow) where emanating through my being and out of my fingers, toes head and chest. I hysterically laughed... 'its love! It's love!' accurate representation... I don't think I remember what happened after that. I remember the gongs slowing down, an indication for us to slow the breath. But I felt like I wasn't there. I wasn't there anymore. I brought the nervous system back down. I started to feel into the body more. I was pissed wet through with sweat, my whole body was tingling head to toe, my hands where locked in a crab like way, it felt like I was floating. I could feel the tension in the body, holding onto something, I knew if I let go via the body the mind would follow so that's what I did. I flopped everything, my head arm's face. Then... The gongs began, in such a way I've never heard. Hypnotising, tranquilizing. This was something else. I lost consciousness. All of a sudden a piercing feeling of fear startled and woke me... BOOM! It smashed my chest like a pane of glass. I opened my eyes under my sock and removed it slightly to look at the ceiling. ... 'who am I? Where am I?' The devil woke me up. I just felt the devil, he woke me, he said hi, he showed his face. This devil was me. My head was fucked. I observed the breath to pass through the panic, the body felt ready to run. Sprint. Get out of here NOW, adrenaline coursing. I observed and placed the sock back over my eye's. I lost consciousness again through the power of the gongs, another noise woke me, but I didn't wake. I was the noise. I was the traveling noise. I could feel the every fucking cell in the body dancing. Moving, vibrating. I kept drifting between the self and the Self. But every time I came back to the self with a lower case S I was so confused. I literally had no fucking idea what was going on. Eventually it was time to return back to the body. I gently eventually sat up and just stared at the stain glass window, I wasn't trying to figure out anything but there was nothing there at the same time. I was sat frowning with s confused feeling but not thinking if that makes sense. I do feel like I have started something I need to finish. Don't know why but I feel there is unfinished business to take care of. I have awakened something. Powerful shit.

I don’t think you nor even most people that just awaken understand how shallow awakening can be for most in an awakened state. A drastic change from before? Sure. Dis identification on a conscious level? Sure. A newfound baseline, yep. but Do you have a long, long, long way to go? Even when you stabalize in non duality? Definitely Do you have the same issues as normal people in a slightly different way? Yep. Can you still suffer? Immensely. It might not appear like that to an awakened person but it’s just circumstance. If your mooji in a Portuguese resort. You won’t be bothered by anything. Nor will you think you can be, but haha not true. The eradication of all subconscious ideation that remains upon permanent awakening is a long and arduous journey. One that most people don’t finish, because they trade nuance away and simply cling to their worlds. Halt its evolution.

@Yonkon My opinion of him has not changed much. I don't think he is ultimately awakened, but he doesn't need to be in order to teach what he teaches, and he's more than enough awake for you. He's an excellent meditation teacher.

This is my theory, its important sometimes for a student to understand something as "absolutely so" for a while, since the benefits that come with this, is that a much higher ingraining effect on the psyche can take place. Most if not all psychies to begin with are believing a "absolutely so" that is generally not fully benefiting them, and having them acclimate, change and then live from a new vantage point for a period of time can be very healing in letting them let go of their previous harming tendencies, and mind sets that are more fixed and limiting. Neti Neti is one of these and is also not false nor true, which is yet another developing and enveloping perspective that can come in "development". Which if we want to continue with the theme that I've started, "development", a word that for most minds triggers an idea of time and a taking placeness over a experiential length of some sort, is a Nowness thing that only appears to take place in a experience of time (another awaking perspective). However this "Nowness" and "Time Experience" and "Developments that take place" are both true and not reducing of the other, since again all thats being shared about here is of Source/God and Source/God is all there is, it is those things and doesn't reduce those things to "only god exists" and "those other understandings/perspectives/life experiences" aren't real. (another awakened understanding and something a lot of people on this forum are stuck in).

Well, I said realize presence but to initially recognize presence can lead to making It real. Although presence is awakened as a direct experience when it is realized in us. Do you judge your judging? It's not about the types or amount of activity and content that happens in the mind, it's the attachment to it, the story can distract from being present. Even the narrative of not attaching to the story can be a distraction if we allow it. The mind doesn't want the simplicity of presence, it wants the complicated story and will generate it in everything.

@Adam M They're both tools of special interests, well paid and promoted for it. Atheism failed, so Jordan Peterson is their next guy. Cable TV, it's credibility is near dead, online video the future for the last decade plus. Whether they're stage yellow green or whatever, they are not as smart as people from 300 years a go or more. Noam Chomsky, I would have thought of as yellow. These guys, even if they're green, there's got to be saner people out there somewhere. I would have thought of permaculturalists, surfer dudes, Outdoor pursuits type of people, Yoga instructors as more green. Szizek. "The issue is settled" a mixed economy both socialism and capitalism is best. The guy is an Atheist, evil does not exist in Atheism. Rape, murder, theft lying etc. Are not evil, they're just not good. Evil requires the supernatural, basic mechanics pleasure(good) and pain(not good). If I burn my hand with acid that's not good. If a person melts another's face with acid, with intent to destroy or defy the good, ultimately God, that's evil. Peterson. Truth is Darwinian.(Sam Harris debate). If Genghis Khan were doing a talk, even if an awakened stage Red/Blue he'd have more credibility. What is best in life great khan? Aristotle lists a load of things that are crucial to happiness, survival basically. Health, Wealth, Family, Friends etc the basic stuff. Could start today or next week. 5 minute YouTube videos or something as a start. I've thought about doing more to organise my thoughts. Not to gain attention par se. Example Paul Joseph Watson. Silly voice check. Silly face. Colourful. Thumbnail check. Tempo. Rhetoric. Skip camera frames. More than the multiples TV off "Back to the Future". Political.... The better channels have fewer subscribers more erudite, I like fewer but more hardcore philosophical videos if I can find them 30-45mins concentrated is my preference. I don't like political rhetorical ones at all, Left or Right, although more so left, though that's more mainstream left. Same old shit. Addictive to the Ego to some extent, collective(Left) or individualistic(Right). But 500,000 to 1,000,000 views for less than a 10 minute video! Even a thousand is a lot of eyeballs.

I barely had my eyes open and laying in bed when I typed out the following this morning: Patriarchality = domination and imbalance of thinking over feeling Patriarchality = domination through violence and fear Patriarchality = domination over consciousness with religion through fear and guilt Patriarchality = domination by alpha male cowardice alienated from Awakened Conscience and emotional intelligence 2000 year Aquarian Age brings ??? I may have been pushing a button at those who emphasize the idea and value of the alpha male. I don't mean to completely demonize the idea of Patriarchy. It's actually been a good thing in a lot of ways but it's still greatly biased against women treating them as second class citizens. Romantic love and the idea of finding completeness through relationship seems to be a big trap. Especially in conjunction with the institution of marriage. Patriarchy in itself is neither good or bad, I guess. Same with marriage. The couples who seem to be making it work appear to value honesty and authenticity and respect for the other. I'm thankful that I never got married. It wouldn't have given me what I thought it offered, as I saw it when in my twenties. For some people it does offer a satisfying life. But it never would have for me. This I can plainly see in hindsight. Romantic love isn't really love. Infatuation and lust are a lot of fun but just a different form of roller coaster. Roller coasters can be a lot of fun though. Im really drawn to pondering large scale issues. Always have been. I could care less about any kind of organized sport. Comments welcome.

@Leo Gura That's an important reminder, it's one of the reason I chose this avatar but it's still easy to forget. The trap I fall into a lot is comparing my path with other people's path. There are some areas that I find people are incredibly advanced in and I get taken away with them. Then later I realize that they are missing some basic thing that I knew as a 5 year old or really early on. Or I do the reverse of it and dismiss someone who could really help me grow and I them. It's incredible to me how lopsided people can be and still be awakened to some degree. I guess that can be called the grace of God. Perfection in imperfection.

I'm not really familiar with what he does. But it's very easy to do years of Vipassana but not be awakened or really understand the depth of consciousness work. In fact I would say that most Westerners who practice Vipassana have no idea what awakening or nonduality really are. Because they are following a very narrow practice on blind faith. I have met people who have done Vipassana for 5-15 years but have no idea what the world enlightenment means. Not to mention many other aspects of spiritual work. This work goes so deep and has so many layers to it that you should NEVER assume that a person who does any kind of practice is awake or understands spirituality. It's all too easy to turn spiritual practices into narrow robotic habits and dogmas. Sam Harris supposedly also does meditation and has even had some degree of realization of no-self. But his worldview is still thoroughly materialistic and dualistic, and he is still missing 98% of spirituality. This is extremely common in the West especially. Westerners tend to dabble in spirituality while thinking to themselves that they've figured it all out. This is to be expected. As a general rule of thumb: When someone talks about spirituality, does spirituality, or teaches spirituality -- NEVER, EVER assume that they are at the highest stages of it. Always be skeptical. Especially with Westerners. True masters are very rare. Fully comprehensive teachings are very rare. Most people who do spirituality are doing it very poorly, pathologically, and half-assing it. This is to be expected given that almost no one understands the full scope of the mind's self-deceptiveness. Even awakening will NOT make you immune to self-deception. So watch out!

I don't consider myself spiritually gifted. I don't have any of these except Intrest in metaphysics and Truth which I developed after my awakening 2 years ago. Me 2,5 years ago: unable to concentrate, constant mind wandering, unable to feel any love, naturally very neurotic and aversive, think spirituality is bullshit, almost certain that materialistic paradigm is true. And yet I awakened to some degree (no-self insight, stream-entry, Location 1, or whatever we may call it) literally after my first 20 minutes mantra meditation ever, which I did out of boredom when scrolling youtube and saw some TM video. Since then I moved way beyond that and also trained high concentration (this was actually harder for me than awakening). Me now: sometimes able to get to effortless laser-like concentration (depending on how much I practice), no sense of agency at all, sometimes I feel very strong ecstasy and love, still get anxious and afraid but I'm able to cope with it better, not sure if the materialistic paradigm is true. I don't think you have to be gifted but rather you have to be lucky to find a method matched with you.

An Awakened Being is always going to Know/Understand an Unconscious being better than he knows himself as he has evolved from that self/state into the True Self, the eternal state that sees all as one. Of course, its not always that we can know what you did exactly what, when, how, but just by your presence we can read your energy, feel your intentions, sense your vibe and observe your patterns/behavior and most times predict what you are doing to bring to the table as it was also once a part of us before we leveled up(Shall we say) For example for my 25th birthday my friends and i decided to go to bar by the beach and as i was walking up to the security guard i can see him examining us, he was already judging us and knew we were not from the area, the energy was of a thoughtful energy, he was already creating a thought pattern without even meeting us and i could sense he didn't want to let us in even before interacting with us. Luckily, he gladly found an excuse that matched his frequency of thought in which my ID had expired that he used as the excuse to not let us in even though the expiry of the ID doesn't change the fact that my birth-date clearly says i am over 18 but this is what happens when you are unconscious, you blindly follow laws and allow ignorance to overpower your intelligence. This is a very unhealthy state of living, this is why you want to be awake not asleep as the situation/example could be far worse.

@Shakazulu It depends on the mind-body. Highly developed / conscious mind-bodies can do all sorts of stuff that may seem paranormal or super-natural to others. I know a Reiki master that can gain information from a person through energetics. I also know high level monks not able to do this. In general, I would say awakened beings are much more "in tune" with the people they are with - in part because there isn't a bunch of egoic chatter of thoughts and feelings. This allows for a lot of space for awareness and new abilities to arise. Imagine going an entire week without a single thought. That would be one heckuva week. . . Some awakened beings may communicate very well verbally, some non-verbally. Some may be more cognitive-centered, others may be more heart-centered. There is a diversity. That is one of the exciting parts of consciousness work. You don't know what will unfold for your mind-body. You don't know what magic will arise.

Lol, she was on the brink of suicide and suffered for YEARS! You are dismissing all that "work". Yes, if you drive yourself nuts to the brink of suicide and then finally the ego happens to collapse by some fluke instead of you actually killing yourself, the brain can then rewire itself. But it wasn't really quick. It was a process years in the making. It's like an explosion that was building up for years, and then one day it all burst. And even so, these kinds of cases are extremely rare. They might as well not exist. This is not a reliable strategy for awakening. You make an interesting point. But I still think there is a physiological component to spiritual giftedness. It's just damn rare. How do you explain that many of the most awakened people experienced their awakenings very early in life, often when they are 12 years old, 18 years old, etc. How do you explain people who do one meditation retreat or self-inquire for a few weeks and become enlightened? That is extremely rare and atypical. An average person cannot do that. Otherwise a large percentage of the population would be enlightened, but they just aren't and can't. More broadly-speaking, how do you explain that less than 0.00001% of humans wake up? This cannot be explained simply by lack of effort. Even within people who do hardcore spiritual practice, STILL, less than 1% deeply awaken. Again, this is not merely due to lack of effort. There is a deep connection between one's effort in this work and one's spiritual intuition. Why are some people much more spiritually attuned than others? Why are some people totally spiritually clueless? Lack of effort is not enough to explain it because one's willingness to exert effort is directly proportional to one's initial spiritual attunement. So my claim is that the people who wake up are the ones who start out in life already highly spiritually attuned. Poor upbringing and environment can obscure this attunement, requiring some decades of life experience for the person to realize that they even have this spiritual attunement. The problem with spiritual attunement is that most people who have it take it completely for granted. They don't know what life is like without it because they've always had it, and they assume everyone else has it too. But most people don't. It's sort of like having a very high IQ or being very tall. You don't even realize that most people are not that way. For example, I am 6'2". It took me 30 years to realize that not everyone is that tall. To me, being tall feels totally normal. I don't even know what it means to be short. It took me 30 years to realize that the world is designed for short people: hotel showers, all chairs and sofas and benches, airplane seats, sinks, toilets, urinals, jackets, pants, cars, etc. I can't sit comfortably on most chairs because they are designed for short people and I only realized that a few years ago! I didn't realize it because I assumed that all people are the same.

You became delusional, that is a better word. You will not have questions anymore if you have awakened.

This is the deepest thing you touched, imo. I would change “minute” to “moment”. “I feel like i waste every moment that I'm distracted, yet I don't know what that moment should have been occupied with.” Notice the distinction between future desires and this moment now. There is a desire to be somewhere else. To move toward that place. Yet that “place” is within a time construct. It is an ambiguous place that isn’t actual. “I should be doing something to get somewhere”. The mind will try and build a stable somewhere in the future. “Ahhh yes, this awakened being explains it - yes that is the place to go. I shall do these practices to get to that place”. . . Yet that place is not Now. All future places have something in common.: none of them are here and now. . . The mind-body once again is left scratching it’s head “I should be doing something to get somewhere”. You don’t know how each moment should be occupied because your mind is assuming there is a destination in the future you should be moving toward. Yet the destination is now. The journey is the destination. To me, your uncertainty is a good sign you are close to a realization of the nature of Now and beingness. I sense that your mind-body is strongly oriented toward moving toward a destination and trying to figure out how to get to a somewhere that doesn’t exist. That somewhere is here and nowhere. It is not to be found in the timeline. Only Now. You are on a journey in which you have already arrived - right Now. Whatever arises right Now. This is it. Observe the feelings and thoughts as they arise. Observe, learn and embody.

Dont just tell me, tell the whole enlightenment community, because its a huge thing to find a method for such. Its something that many teachers don't have the answer to, myself included even though it happened. Just out of curiosity how do you intend to find the most direct methods? Self testing? Interviewing all awakened masters and their students to find out what did and did not work? Really curious, I like your honesty when you say you don't want to delude or send anyone down the wrong path, but what your claiming is out there, is something I don't know if there is "one or two". By the way are you a aspiring student, or do you feel as though you've awakened to a degree that you feel ready to show the way?

Depends what you call magic. And yes is real. An awakened human being or a trained occultist can influence the dormant in such a way positive or negative remotely that you would not believe is possible. Let's brake it down. Is all about intention what we send to others. If i visualize that my neighbour per example will be healthy and peaceful and joyful, it will happen if one is really open and let's go of prejudice. So maybe the neighbour will be all loving towards one the next day, depends on proper work. Same applies to the negative.

@Adam M Awakened/enlightened people have ego's (otherwise they couldn't even communicate), so it's not that ego reforms back. What I mean is that Leo's 5-MeO trips which he takes as "Ultimate Reality" have almost nothing to do with how it is to be enlightened. Leo makes assumptions about enlightenment from his trips, that are incorrect. Enlightened people don't feel infinite love or infinite goodness/intelligence. It's more like a state of disidentification from ego with no sense of agency.

Hey it's Anton, Today I wish to speak about spiritual awaking and the proccess in which it's achieved. Please do note I have been making posts which share other deep insights. What is Spiritual Awakening? To see with the eyes of God Perceptions without a perciever To see Nothingness Seeing without the lens of ego The realisation of No-Self Aliveness of the outside world Realization of no inside world (mind) Disclaimer: I am not claiming I am fully awakened, however I can maintain states of non-dual conciousness for most of the day. How have I achieved this? I have been experimenting with different techniques and this is what I have experienced directly from my personal experience. Semen Retention I've noticed that semen retention is a powerful tool in spirituality. It heightens awareness and increases energy. Suffering When I refer to suffering, I mean extreme discomfort which isn't harmful to you. I try to deprive myself hedonistic pleasures also. The ego has no choice but to submit when it's exposed to pain as there is only sensation when ego is transcended. Examples: Cold Showers Extreme Clean Eating Intense Exercise Long Periods of Meditation What's the logic in causing all this suffering? It doesn't make sense on the surface level, however this suffering is a total illusion. Only when a self exists there is suffering. So, when you truly know the method, you will make sure you do it because the ego will want to escape the pain. 'Suffer the pain of disipline or the pain of regret' Hide-and-Seek I have been using the hide-and-seek method as my primary method to awaken. God is hiding from self? Non-duality collapses the hider and seeker, so that the seeker is trying to find itself, and the hider is also the seeker who's hiding from itself. Method Step 1: Find the thing you are identified as whilst in a dualistic/egoic conciousness. Step 2: Let go of it, and be wise enough to understand that everything you identify as in a dualistic or mind-identified conciousness isn't going to be you, because it's a conciousness leap. Step 3: Run this proccess whenever you're in a mind identified conciousness, until a breakthrough occurs. Actuality Meditation + Decontextulisation Actuality meditation is when you observe your direct experience as to only see direct perceptions. (Leo's Video) Decontextulisation is the proccess of removing anything you THINK you know about something. (Not-knowing) Acts of Selflessness Do kind acts for others Don't always worry about yourself. Don't manipulate or harm others. Don't see evil in anyone or thing Don't judge others It's funny because people think only worrying about themselves is going to make them happy. However, the complete opposite holds true. Being ego driven only leads to more and more suffering. Spinal Awareness The spine has it's own conciousness, and you can feel the spine align itself like a snake erecting when you are aware enough. Kundalini Yoga is very good. Anton's Mind Proccess Here is a raw direct transcript of my mind proccess when in an mind-identified conciousness. I think sharing thought transcripts is a really good idea. I hope it becomes common amongst forum members as it's a valuable tool to show others how to self-inquire. Transcript Note: I start by sitting is a meditate pose with focus on my spine. Thought: I know I'm not the mind but it sure feels like I am here perceiving the outside world. Thought: This thought isn't really the Nothingness I'm looking for. (Anything thing you find isn't Nothingness, that Actual Nothingness is only experienced through conciousness leap) Sensation: Feeling of shifting from my thoughts to ACTUALITY. Sensation: Feeling of me being inside the head. Action: Close my eyes Thought: Put your complete attention on that and realise that is a thing so it can't be it, so let it go. Sensation: Feeling of bouncing this point of self around in my head to the point I feel I might get a headache. Thought: If I am able to feel different areas inside the mind then that can't be it. Action: Letting go of this aggresive hold of the mind being the self, using a very delicate energy Sensation: Feeling of heightened Awareness Action: Opening of my eyes to see Actuality. REALIZATION: Perceptions are now seen without illusion and no-self is realized.

@kieranperez I think he makes an interesting point about ego deconstruction and construction. And how he relates both to reaching "witness + object" states of awareness. I hadn't thought about how ego construction can be used to reach entry levels of "witness + object". From that space, I can see how a "witness + object" state of consciousness could arise in which it is very difficult to see one's own egoic framework. The subjective experience would be "witness + object", which would seem like an awakened state. I think Rupert Spira describes a similar dynamic which he refers to as "enlightened duality". It describes it as a halfway point. Wilbur also seems to be describing it as an intermediate level. Thanks for sharing the video.

The Let-Go Muscle To let go of yourself you must find the perciever and realise it's not you. If it was you, you would be awakened, so let go of it. I call it The Let-Go Muscle because the nature of letting go requires an immense amount of focus on what you're actually letting go of. Sensation of being a mind Realise it's nature, a sensation Let go of 'It' (Mind sensation of self) The It you're looking for is really just 'It-less' (Empty, Sentient Awareness) You can actually see It-less (Eyes of God) Embody IT-less by unembodying self. Back to Actuality From the subtle letting go of mind sensation, allow perceptions to exist as they are individual of self.