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You're wrong about it. Please don't say it is nobody. That's veru close minded to say. Yes there is little to no survival agenda involved in Game B. But that does not mean nobody does it. Have you heard about lovers dying for each other or commiting suicide together? Have you heard about true stories of a couple who hang around even when the other person got cancer or lost a leg in an accident or is completely disabled? Of course for the healthier partner it's a huge burden to carry but they find emotional satisfaction in doing so. It's not like a game but a relationship with great emotional intensity. A very good example of game B is this video

@Dunnel Maybe i took this to literally. I read his past posts to get an idea of his issues before commenting. Its surprising but hes a rational type that thinks hes always smarter then the comment hes reading. Everything people write is wrong sais his "rational" thinking mind. Stuck in a endless self defeating rational loop. He needs to recognize that his thinking process just drove him into a pit. Therefor proof his thinking mind is not worth listening to. “We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.” Albert Einstein Communication does not work with him, hes to clever, he can run circle around any topic. Hes using the same thinking that got him into this mess, it wont work, it needs to be thrown out the window and relearned from scratch. Ive been to the end of suicide/dispair and back, bed ridden for years, the only thing that got me out of it was a paradigm shift. Im betting its the same for him.

Nowadays i no longer need to justify my ethics, as i have come to find i never could justify any of it, only connect causes to effects and act congruently, of course until the exceptions emerge in existence which before it i could not even attribute an essence. Suicide is a being ending itself, but it is in what the action itself IS NOT but in its context we can make rationals, ideas and theories regarding the oughts and oughtn'ts of the action. And thereto judge them by means of our values (wherever they may be acquired). What do you believe happens if you made it an end today? Or rather, what won't happen? Let us piece out some effects to their causes without fooling ourselves they came justly.

There is massive poverty in my country India and other Third World countries. I myself came from extreme poverty. I might lose my job next month and I don't have much left because of my piling medical bills. The medical conditions are also a result of working hard under stress for many years. The education system is stressful and brutal. I cannot think of the horrors of poverty again. There is no security for the poor, the rising prices means its too hard to get a place to rent. Real estate prices are sky high. A lot of businesses are shutting down because of corona including the place I work at. There are no stimulus packages in my country. I think a Universal Basic Income is greatly necessary in poor countries to get people out of poverty.. Also most jobs are procured by men in my country. Women are offered much less pay or not offered the job at all. Most women struggle to get a job in my country because of the gender dynamics always being in the favor of men. This causes a lot of women to be forced into arranged marriages for survival. It's a tough situation to be caught in. Most people don't prefer to have daughters and daughters are generally considered a burden by most families. My idea is that a universal basic income in my country and other similar countries would be a great way to lift people out of poverty and offer them some hope in terms of survival. I also think there should be a strict population control agenda put in order by World Health Organization or similar entities to control the overpopulation in India and other eastern countries that are overpopulating the planet. The population in my country is too hard to cope with. Traveling is difficult. If you're at the doctor's office, there are just too many people. The doctors get tired attending to so many people. Too many suicides because of despair and joblessness and family issues. I think India is stuck in a rut. Stage Blue Dogma and corruption is eating out the system alive. It causes massive suffering because nobody cares about the environment or the community or social issues. People tend to become extremely selfish. The downside of such Universal Basic Income is that people will keep producing more kids. Which leads to more unemployment, strain on resources and more poverty. If people are incentivised to get an income without producing more kids, and care more about community and environment, a lot of our problems in third world countries can be handled. The population problem itself has turned into a stiff bottleneck causing massive unemployment and exploitation as desperate people turn to desperate measures. I learn about suicides daily. Some of my friends committed suicide because of unemployment and they come from middle class families and they couldn't deal with the pressure of mounting financial distress. People seem to understand the gravity of the situation only when the gun is turned on them. As long as the gun is on another person's temple, nobody cares. People just let others fall through the cracks. The question is how long is the suffering in third world countries going to continue. Every leader elected is either stage Red or stage Blue and there is no leadership, no solving issues, either they make problems worse through corruption or they are simply indifferent and choose to turn a blind eye. The conditions in third world countries are nightmarish. There is no insurance from government and even if it exists, it's all namesake. Government hospitals are a joke and private clinics raise a huge bill. There are hardly any psychological resources for people, extremely few psychiatrists per capita. The nation is dealing with a silent wave of depression as a result of decades of poverty and crisis. Child abuse is rampant. Rape is rampant. There is no safety or any concept of social security. Law enforcement is a joke. There is no 911....just no public security services. You only rely on your family and most family dynamics are shitty. There are no social services to ask for assistance from in case your family kicks you out or harasses you. Just recently an actor committed suicide a week ago because of family harassment.. It's like a daily story. Everyday Someone ends up as the victim in this Russian Roulette. People turn a blind eye to each other's problems because they don't want to disturb their cushy positions. People are used to seeing suffering and simply ignoring it. There are no social security benefits in case things go south in your life. No cover. No protection. Government erected buildings for any sort of hope are a joke because they are unclean with no electricity, no basic facilities and no resources. I think a major overhaul is needed in third world countries because most people feel trapped by virtue of being born in such unfortunate circumstances. It's not someone's fault if they are born in such environments. But living in a third world country is a total nightmare and I feel sorry for anyone who feels trapped like me in such countries.

I don't know what to do. I really feel there are too many trapped souls in my country. Too many abused children. Too much going on. Last week an actor in my country committed suicide due to family issues. After learning about it, I had a mental breakdown because it mirrored my situation in some ways. It's hard to live in a country where the government doesn't give a shit about you. Unemployment and population are at their peak. Too many rapes. Bad stuff. Like bad juju everywhere. Feel a constant sense of helplessness and threat.

There are no social services here Last week I called a suicide hotline and they never picked my calls. It's like there's nobody there.. My mental and physical condition has been deteriorating to the point that I might have to give up my job. The family pressure to get married is too much. My family's unsupportive dynamic sucks I battle a health condition that I won't discuss here, that's the only thing that I keep off limits. It's too tough to survive and I often thought of suicide many many times.

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Please tell me what you are going through. I know someone who attended suicide. He was glad that he didn't follow through. I wish I was there with you but I hope you can at least tell us what going on.

I've also heard this guy, perhaps several, who've tried committing suicide but failed said that, when they jumped, they immediately regretted it. Also, I know you said you were done with practical advice, but have you looked into or tried any heavy metal detox stuff? I've heard people can really suffer, even emotionally, from heavy metal poisoning, and maybe with just that "simple" fix, it might alleviate lots of suffering that you've been battling using purely psychological methods. When maybe, it was simply the wrong approach to the issue. I hope you feel better and well. Maybe here's some reasons to stay. We love you.

@Dunnel I will give you a good reason to live. A good reason to live would be that all the best human beings throughout history of humanity did not want you to commit suicide. I am sure this enough.

I believe that Angels exist. Angels. I don't think I can take it any longer. Maybe some angel can take me with them and liberate me from my pain. It is difficult. Life is difficult. I can't take anymore. And I don't have the courage to commit suicide. I feel helpless and trapped. I wish my soul could be set free from this terrible world I was born into. I don't find peace. My soul wants to be done with this world for good. My soul cannot take the strain of life. I wish I could die right now but I can't because I don't know how to off myself. I have no way of living in this world of demons and vampires and people who look trustworthy but are actually cunning and manipulative and fake. Nobody wants to do shit. CALLING ME A DRAMA QUEEN DOESN'T HELP ME. CALLING ME ANYTHING DOESN'T HELP ME. I'M FED UP WITH FAKE FRIENDS. I'M FED UP WITH FAKE LOVERS AND FAKE BOYFRIENDS WHO ONLY WANT TO USE ME. I'M FED UP WITH FAKE FAMILY MEMBERS. I'M FED UP WITH THE DEVIL WHO DESPERATELY WANTS ME DEAD BECAUSE I FEEL HIS PRESENCE LAUGHING AT MY PAIN ALL THE TIME I'M TIRED OF LIFE.... TIRED OF ALL THE ABUSE.

@Leo Gurahave talked to 4 psychologists. Talked to my parents many times. Tried the spiritual work. Sick of materialism. Tried suicide hotline, was hot garbage. Have no patience for my own bullshit anymore. Thanks for your videos. I might wake up tomorrow taking some sane decisions, but for now I feel pretty determined to jump off and break my legs. I know I could do more, of course. But Ive tried for so many years.

It's tough to watch humanity. I was suicidal again today. So I clicked on a video about suicide.

If I'm free how is it so that I can't escape life? I changed my job to a one which it kills me. I can't sleep well and it hurts my back. The work is mindless too. I'm slowly losing my mind. So I thought in quitting everything, to avoid the suffering that this situation is producing. But then when I thought about quitting, i doubt I can't because I can't surrender the attachment to material goals I want to achieve, and attachment to my family not suffering my loss ( I wasnt planning to suicide, but just let go of everything. For once be free...) So I'm damn if I do and I'm damn if I don't . What do you think about my situation?

Suicide is selfish, therefore you can only die and go to Unity as opposed to reincarnation when you least expect it.

@Hardkill No, the nineties had left/right culture wars (Marilyn Manson, etc.), Kosovo wars, Monica Lewinsky, Columbine, Kurt Cobain's suicide, and other stuff. Still not as bad as what comes after the nineties...

the desire to awaken is what leads to awakening. the ego knows that it must die but it cannot make itself die. the search for something external to act as a trigger is the only option that the ego sees for its suicide, since it cannot cause its own death. artificially created experience, if complete, occurs when it is have to. It is also artificial to sit for hours to silence the mind or to self-observe the slightest thought. they are manifestations of the same thing: the will to wake up. the ego itself realizes the trap that it means, and assumes that the only solution is its dissolution, but it does not know how to leave, since the fact of wanting to leave reinforces it even more. He needs a gun, put it to his temple, and pull the trigger

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When I will commit suicide, all those who tormented me, abused me, they will go to hell for eternity, my soul will never rest in peace. There will be retribution. my soul will never rest in peace. I will scream in deepest agony. There will be retribution. my soul will never rest in peace. I will scream in deepest agony. There will be retribution. my soul will never rest in peace. I will scream in deepest agony. There will be retribution. my soul will never rest in peace. I will scream in deepest agony. There will be retribution. my soul will never rest in peace. I will scream in deepest agony. There will be retribution. my soul will never rest in peace. I will scream in deepest agony. There will be retribution. my soul will never rest in peace. I will scream in deepest agony. There will be retribution. my soul will never rest in peace. I will scream in deepest agony. There will be retribution. my soul will never rest in peace. I will scream in deepest agony. 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And then it was September 2015. I was feeling extremely lonely. I was living alone at the time. I had my second ex. We weren't getting along a relationship I was eventually going to break in 2017 mid June. And I begged and fell on my knees. In a moment of despair, I suddenly gave up and wanted to die, I wanted to commit suicide, I wanted to be gone. I had lost my dad years ago I had lost my pet. I had lost everything. I didn't want to live for anything. And I felt my boyfriend didn't love me. I wanted to end it all. Nobody loved. Not my mom. Not anyone. No one cared if I would have been gone. I prayed to Christ for strength. I prayed for hope. Then suddenly. Things changed. I felt warmth. I rose. I remember sitting. Thinking. It was different. Next day my mom called me to tell me that she is coming over to my place. I felt nice. At least I won't feel alone. I felt like God had given me a sign. He wanted to tell me that I was going to be okay After that whatever happened was nothing short of a miracle. I began to be heavily influenced by spirituality. I was suddenly propelled in this direction where I would constantly question everything around me in a spiritual context. Everything has had to have an answer, a meaning. I started collecting journals. I bought a few diaries. I began scribbling and writing in early 2016. It was january 2016. I got my journal and began writing, not online, but in my physical journal. I had no idea Actualized Org existed at the time. I would sit in a corner, huddled into a space and keep writing. I would write endlessly. A lot of stuff I wanted to write about. I didn't want to stop. I wrote throughout 2016. I wrote nearly 10 diaries that year that I still have in my cabin. Then in 2017 I broke up and had health issues. I met Joseph at the end of this year. I came across Leo's video in around my birthday and then I decided to join the forum the day after my birthday. This was 2018. I went straight to the journal section and began journaling. My spiritual quest began that year 2018 and never ended. I wrote throughout the year.

When I read things like this it feels like it gets shoved down my throat. What does this even mean? I did not choose to be born. What is the point for "some comsic intelligence" to create a human who is doomed to suffer and cannot escape even throguh suicide since one will be reincarnated as some miserable soul. When you say stuff like this it makes the universe seem incredible dark and cruel, like there is only hell for eternity in all directions.

Ya, I hear ya. Sounds difficult and like you're experiencing some painful emotions and that you're getting a bit fed up with them and don't really see a light at the end of the tunnel. I get that and totally understand contemplating suicide from that perspective. Been there (if that's where you are). If you can feel the feels, that's worked for me. But sometimes it can be hard, so healthy doses of distraction (compassion) can also help. I've been setting a bar of 10 pushups a day. Sure I'm not gunna be the Hulk, but crossing that off a list makes me feel productive nonetheless. Everything changes. I hope things improve for you. If you're looking for some free virtual interaction with people with faces, I'd recommend thestoa.ca ... lots of thinkers and even activities like shadow-work exercises, breathwork, and even an event where you take turns rapping to a beat!

Ideas of 'me' dissolve and there is no concept of "me" separate from Everything. There is no thoughts like "A great trip, yet I better wrap this up and return back to myself". The return just happens. Yet the nice thing about 5-meo is that the return is somewhat gradual. There are a few minutes in which One can observe the return. For me, this is one of the most profound parts of the trip because it is a bridge to higher consciousness. Ime, to reach that level - I had to be willing to surrender everything. My sanity, job, family and life. Everything. And not just for one trip. During my month-long 5-meo retreat, I approached a gate around day 7 (while 'sober'). To keep going, I had to leave all my bags behind. That day I was allowed to decide whether I was willing to lose it all. I decided to keep going and that was the last day "me" was present. The concept of a "me" didn't return for another 20 days and it was a bit traumatic when it did. Ime, reaching the deepest levels required the willingness to lose anything and everything I valued. Including my mind and body. Yet there are many amazing realms which does not have that entry price. I wouldn't frame it like that. Committing suicide has an association of suffering so bad, one takes their life. I've never had those energetics entering a trip. In terms of the psychological self, I think a better description would be 'ego dissolution'. The experience of the dissolution process can vary greatly. I've had trips in which it was beyond blissful. I was presented with the choice of holding onto a finite, insecure, separate being or a realm of expansion, Oneness and Love. It's a no-brainer. I'm like "Heck yea!! See ya old self, let's goooo!!!". There have been other times in which the self holds on and fits. I experience some trips as something is trying to possess me. Rather than surrender, I try to keep control of my mental narrative. This can lead to extreme anxiety and terror. This very much feels like dying. Yet rather than committing suicide, it's more like being over-powered and some other entity trying to kill me. Surrender is the key. If the mind fights, things can turn ugly. These dynamics were more of an issue when I was a newbie. After enough trips, it starts to become normal. Yet I won't do high doses of certain psychedelics because the body load is too intense and my mind-body was never able to adapt to heavy body loads.

Basically, yes. But in practice, no, because you take low doses and so you rarely reach the ultimate 100% Godhead state. Physically dying from a psychedelic is extremely rare. You might as well ask, "So every time you get in a car you have to go into it as if you are committing suicide?" Way more people die from cars than psychedelics, so your fears are not well grounded. Mahasamadhi is not something that happens to you accidentally. It is a conscious choice to leave behind the dream world. Of course you could always accidentally kill the physical body if you take way too much of a dose. But that would be the equivalent of driving your car into a wall. That is your fault.

So every time one take a psychedelic they have to basically go into it as they are committing suicide? And if you are able to come back, that's just icing on the cake.