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BipolarGrowth replied to Inliytened1's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The main course of Nonduality just ain’t as tasty without the appetizer of Duality. Not to mention the dessert of “no one did all that seeking to go absolutely nowhere.” -
Water by the River replied to Javfly33's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
But kidding aside, this is the Zen version of the key stage from going what some call Nonduality/Buddhism/rodents to Enlightenment. Beginning Nonduality is still in the dream, a subtle self merged in unity with the visual field, exchanging the dual dream for the nondual dream. But still a dream. When this Unity-self gets thinner and thinner, more and more transcended (Thisdell stage 4 to Thisdell stage 5), then: Everything - "every vestige of self-awareness", or any subtle I-feeling/I-thought/duality (all subtle illusions) have to be seen through and transcended with automized high-speed awarenes (speed, because these illusions arise extremly fast towards the end) and familiarity (strength, because there are some very subtle "feelings" and other arisings that constitute the separate-self) with these subtle obscurations. Speed & Strength of Awareness (courtesy to Frank Yang). And that has to be done automatic, no doer/agent doing it anymore ("Nonmeditation Yoga"). And then at the end it can really break open, in a way that can't be anticipated: You will see the Buddhas of all the universes face-to-face and the Dharma Ancestors past and present. Literally. Their essence. Before that stages, afterwards nowhere to go... Infinite Being. -
Guest replied to Soul Flight's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Very well said. Duality and nonduality are two sides of the same coin. Reject one side, and you inevitably reject the whole coin... and guess what, reality can and will not be rejected. The sooner you realize this, the better. 💯 -
Water by the River replied to Davino's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Reality/True Being has the potential of infinitel intelligence. So is is infinite intelligent. Our universe alone can sustain mathematics with which infinite dimensions can be calculated/simulated/described (4 dimensional worlds, 5, n, n+1, non-euclidian, hyperbolic, and what not). Anything that can be done in this universe has to be a potential in Infinite True Being (and much more). Same with life. True Being is not a dead Nothing. Every potential and intelligence we see must be inherent as potential in Infinity. "It" True You is that which is aware, and that which understands and creates all, maintains all, and it is THAT which does all understanding. What else could manifest the show? And be aware of it. Realize it, and you will have these facets all at once. Why do you create a duality between True Being, then Intelligence, then life, then infinite, the flow, and all the other stuff. Hasn't it been written many times True Being/Absolute is infinite (not finite), and has infinite potential? Infinity easily fits into True Being. All of the various infinities mathematics can describe. Buuut the path to realizing that Infinite True Being is first getting rid of anything finite, and limitations, and filters/dualities/lenses of perceptions... because these cloud the realization of "the" Infinite True Absolute Being. Neti Neti. Impersonal. No duality via filters/centers/contractions of the separate self. And then looking what remains, what is always there. "Bombing" oneself to boundlessness and nonduality, or whiteouts, (or what not) via psychedelics doesn't not dissolve these last filters/centers/contractions fully (at least I have never seen one case). Not enough time & clarity in these states. This dissolving of filters/centers/contractions has to be done with "on-board-means", not only external devices. It is the price the universe demands, transcendence of the little ego. Like, at least getting rid a little bit of the annoying bug as entry ticket to the Absolute, so to say... -
LSD-Rumi replied to Oppositionless's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Leo Gura Does "alien" spirituality feels like a more synthetic or sci-fi in comparison to the organic ordinary nonduality? -
Water by the River replied to Inliytened1's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
On an Absolute Level, "it" or better True You is solipsistic. Alone and infinite. True You/Infinite Being is "alone" because "it" is infinite with nothing possibly outside of it. But that is True You/True Being. And someone who is not enlightened doesn't (by definition) know the difference between the current identity and True Being, or else he/she would be enlightened and no longer be asking these questions... So talking about Solipsism and God is just counterproductive when talking with beings who have not realized their True Nature. Because they will project their ego on the concept of God or Solipsism, no other chance. First become Nothing (no separate-self), then you will be everything (Infinite Being) - Thisdell stage 4, becoming Thisdell stage 5/Enlightenment. But better not project a little separate something (illusion-separate-self) on everything (Roger Thisdell stage 3 "Godmind"). Or: I am God imagining everything. That makes Thisdell stage 3 a cul-de-sac, no way forward to stabilize Awakening in daily life and ease the suffering. Which is exactly what we see here, with a few added ETs. Is Infinite Being not enough? Does it need to be called God? As I have written several times, I don't really like the pointer God, because it is normally loaded with other meaning on top. God = omnipresent, infinite, timeless/eternal/immortal, creating/manifesting/imagining the whole gig: Same for True Infinite Being. One without a second. But all the stuff projected on top of it when using the pointer God instead of Infinite Being, the one without a second, is often not for the faint of hearted. It anthropomorphizes Infinite True Being/Reality with properties and intentions that are just not there on the most fundamental level, and then proejcts it on the illusion-ego/illusion separate-self. "I am God". Only very few can truthfully say that, because most have not realized their True Being and can't tell the difference to ego/separate-self. And those who can say that truthfully and not fall for the illusion normally don't talk like that, because they know from their own practice it is not beneficial for beings with the ego/separate-self illusion not fully seen through. As soon as one talks like that to not enlightened beings, they almost always project the properties of True Being (or God) on themselves, their separate-identity, which they still have not seen through. Because else they would be enlightened. And these separate-self-identities-arisings/illusions are that which have to be cut down/transcended for Enlightenment to happen. And using the grandiose word "God" tends to blow these illusion-arising up to cosmic proportions: "I" imagine everything. No. "Your" True Being does. But what is that? What is the constant always here True Being? Here also in Deep Sleep? Before ones birth? And if one would fully know the difference between True Being and separate-self/ego, one wouldn't talk about these topics using pointers/concepts like God/Solipsism, because it would be all clear anyway... And one wouldn't need to state I am God and I imagine everything, because.... well... TO WHOM? Well, I guess you get the point. At the level of Infinite Being one is alone. But there is no one there to feel alone, because that would be an anthropomorphic illusion arising of a separate-self WITHIN True Being. It just is what it is. And always has been. And with an enlightened being talking like that it is not necessary. Makes no sense. One sees and knows the Awakened Nondual enlightened State the "other" is in (and nobody really home), and it is clear. Imagine a discussion like: I am God! No, I am God! No, you are not! We are God! That is all illusion, starting with the words "I" and "we". Lot of talk of God and Solipsism happens on Thisdells stage 3 "God-stage, God-mind". Infinite Nonduality with separate-self/remaining identity/ego not fully seen through". It is contradictory, not stable, with lots of illusions still going on. And that is presupposing its done from real nondual states. Most of the time, its done from not nondual states, just from the conceptual level. And from there, it is more insanity than anything else. The discussion then goes like: "No, small you is not God. Big You, True Being, is. But first find out what that is before talking about God & Solipsism". And because of all these contradictions that doing that move includes, there is so much discussion here about these topics. Because it is not clear, but contradictory. Sometimes I use the pointer God, but normally it is not a good pointing/teaching tool. Ever noticed that very few enlightened teachers that are public talk about how they are God and imagining everything, and they are all alone and Solipsism and so on? They do, if you listen between the lines or read/see enough stuff. Sometimes even explictily. Sometimes, even complete books like the Supreme Source have been written, that even got the approval by our host as God Realization. And these enlightened teachers normally don't talk about them being God/Solipsism. Not because they are too stupid to know what God is, and what Solipsism/Aloneness on the Absolute Level means. And they do know that all is an imagined illusion happening within "their" own Infinite Being/True Being by definition. If they wouldn't, they wouldn't be enlightened. But they don't throw that in public at a poor ego to blow it up to cosmic proportions, because that doesn't help their students going from Thisdell stage 3 to 4 to 5. It usually even prevents getting the ego stage 1 to witness stage 2 to nondual stage 3. Because to get there sobre and without psychedelics, one already has to kill/transcend the ego/separate-self quite a lot... Nothing kills sobre Awakened Nonduality better than saying to oneself: I AM GOD. A "normal" identification of I am a human so and so suffices to do that... And one more thing: If Nonduality (or Buddhism) gets bashed: Nonduality is NOT automatically Enlightenment, or realization of True Infinite Being/Reality. It is Thisdells stage 3 Godmind. A boundless nondual infinite field of Awareness, with a separate-self still well and alive hijacking that! And that most Buddhist are not enlightened should go without saying.. Stage 3 Godmind. That is where one gets with psychedelics. And maybe even stage 4 a bit. But I have never seen a mainly psychedelic aficionado get to stage 5, True No Self (also nondual, but without center/separate-self-illusion, truly being the Infinite Totality/Being). Stable Nondual realization of Infinite Being in daily life. Maybe somebody knows one, would be very interested. Can't rule out that one exists, or that one wakes up just by the impulse of a psychedelic. It is just, I have never seen one. I know quite a lot that have done that with transcending/meditation of the false illusion separate self. So basically "Nonduality" and "Buddhism" gets bashed, because one doesn't know that stage 3 "Godmind"/Nonduality is not yet True Being or Enlightenment. Of course merely Nondual Realisation doesn't bring "God-Realization", or understanding that True Being imagines/manifests all of it, and that ones True Self is that. That is stage 5, or the link (Supreme Source) above. Or True Enlightenment. Psychedelics get one to Nonduality, maybe in more sophisticated cases to realizing that it is all imagined/manifested to fool "oneself". But it doesn't get oneself conforming to the impersonal infinite nondual enlightened mindstream. And that is why this "realization" is not stable in daily life. Still suffering/resisting the content of ones own True Infinite Being. "Solution": add a few ETs from higher levels of Reality, and call that higher than realizing and being ones True Infinite Being. And be proud on ones own continuing suffering/resistance towards happens within ones True Infinite Nondual Being, and declare that as inevitable. Or something like that. Well, quite a show Maya is dishing "us" up this time, isn't it Selling God&Solipsism Water by the River The Koan still is: What is the True Being of the ET at the end, really? And that of any other ET, n+1? -
Water by the River replied to vibv's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Yes, you can't find it because True Self has no location, it is nonlocal, centerless, boundless and infinite. The whole infinite nondual field/vastness. What can be found are (bodily-) sensations/feelings like a center/solidity, imposed limitations, imagined boundaries of the visual field (imagination of boundary with somehow somatic sensation of boundary on top), and a lot of thoughts/feelings/concept of being human. Yet, all of that can be seen as an object, arising IN ones consciousness, floating in Infinite Being. But there is no short-cut. It needs practice and seeing into the nature of all thoughts (emptiness/consciousness, which makes them dissolve and cut off) and into all bodily solidities/centers has to be done again and again, since the Gestalt of the illusion reassembles itself very fast. Neti Neti, not this, not that. Or not only this or only that. It takes a long time to get to nondual states (Thisdell stage 3), where a felt fast spaciousness open up and nonduality (still with a murky self left) starts. Good news is: Beginning here bliss starts flowing when in these states just by being in them, and the path becomes truly wonderful. That is beginning freedom. Frank Yang described his Enlightenment when his two last items that didn't conform to the enlightened mindstream were realized (after a long time of removing pretty much everything before, Roger Thisdell stage 2&3&4): all bodily sensations parading as a center or solidity were gone and dissolved (head, chest,...). Just vast spaciousness without a center. the cluster of sensations/thoughts claiming to be the watching all meditation-process of shutting off each thought-arising were seen as also mere clusters of thoughts. Basically also for him the crossing over to Enlightenment, or understanding True Infinite Being/Reality/Consciousness happened when the mindstream conformed to the enlightened mindstream. Then Infinite Being/Reality awakens to its True Being in that perspective/being/mindstream. Good. That is the thorn with which to remove the thorn. But also notice that this thought ""self, I cannot find you, where are you" is again a thought (or a cluster of thoughts/sensations/feelings) claiming ownership/identity, which creates another illusion-identity. But it has to be done like that, until that is automized. Then one switches to automatic meditation (Nonmeditation-Yoga). Bon voyage Selling Water by the River -
Water by the River replied to vibv's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Ok, I try. But be aware this is extremely difficult to do it in a monological form via text, and hardly complete. Good news is: At that stage the path shows itself to itself if one just continues with the right meditation/awareness techniques. The illusion-mechanisms pop up one by one. If applying a good understanding of what will show up, the process can be fastened. It is like adding a blow-torch to the burning down of the illusion-building. So, here we go: Any thought implying I/me. "I-feeling" any understanding you have ("I" understand) any doubt ("I" doubt) all of it very subtle and fast forms of feeling separate. Or thinking that. Very fast & very subtle. Way faster than a thought elaborated over several second. Tenths/fractions of a second... Speed of awareness is crucial, that is being trained here And strength of awareness, to be able to also cut off core separate-self identities and suffering/resistance. Reckognizing that, not getting hypnotized by that, cutting it off by looking into its nature (empty consciousness). and since its very hard to tell the difference if a thought-arising is laced with individuality/separation/identity: Cutting off all of them, just for training. Yet, one can at other times also maintain ones awareness during practical daily life/thoughts. And memory of the past: It is being imagined right now, appears as complete "chunk" out of Infinite Consciousness/Being, and then gets elaborated in thought (which is very slow compared to how it emerges "fully" formed. That is truly a mindf*** when your awareness gets fast enough to spot for the first time how the complete past emerges immediately as "whole block" and then is slowly elaborated, fooling one to believe one is that "I" having this memory and thoughts. You see then how each any anything is just emerging to fool oneself. That is an aspect that Leo emphasizes with his concept of God-Realization. The past is radically imagined right now, there is no past. There is only an Infinite Formless eternal "Field" modulating itself to give the appearance of a past. Same for the "future". You don't have a past, You are an Infinite Vastness that is able to make up the past on the fly, and then have thoughts/feelings-arisings that "believe" that. Yet, that Infinite Vastness/Being CAN UNDERSTAND, and so it can understand that the past is imagined on the fly here and now. That is a major understanding/building block of Enlightenment, or seeing that separation from it all (separate self) is just an imagined arising within oneself. One is not a human, but the Infinite Vastness/Being (which is luckily also always here, aka immortal/eternal, can't go anywhere infinite Nothingness with nothing outside of it) imagining a human and all its elements moving/appearing within itself. So it is Duality gone (visual field nondual) -> Nondual boundless infinite (boundary of the field is gone) -> Infinite solidity of "external" visual field is gone, replacing solidity with mere groundless lucid appearance -> imagined illusion/lucidity/non-material, mere imagined empty hologram like appearance. time is gone (as described above, past imagined right now) -> always here, never not here Infinite Mind/Being. Eternal, immortal, absolutely fundamental, all is appearing and arising in it, always. space is gone (imagined IN the infinte vastness of True Being) -> space doesnt exist outside, space is imagined in oneself, the vastness of Infinity (which is not 3d space), and there is no 3D-space (or any space at all, non-euclidian, 4D, whatever) possibly existing outside of your Infinite Being. No outside. Infinite. All there is. Space is not self-existing outside of ones own nondual infinite being. It is imagined by it. What is behind your face? "beyond" the visual field. Not (3d-)space, but the Infinite (Being). -> spaceless, dimensionless, infinite. Containing all possible dimensions and realms, high and low. all of that is imagined/constructed/manifested right here right now in ones nondual True eternal Being, Infinite Consciousness/Being. -> A mirage/illusion appearing in ones Infinite Being, giving rise to the illusion of a human life within it. Another way to say that is: In Pointing out the Great Way, Brown is one statement: If everything (1) all appearance of the world/visual field is seen as mere appearance (empty) hovering lucid and hologram like in Infinite Vastness (that can still be stage 3&4 Thisdell with separate-self well and alive, and that is why that is accesible via psychedelics) AND (2) each and any thought/feeling arising/"internal" mindstream event (including everything one believed oneself to be, I-feeling, I-thoughts, the whole history, the whole asking what is Reality/True Being, ALL of it) is seen as empty arising in Infinite Being/Nothingness/Consciousness. which means that ones mindstream is then conforming to the enlighened mindstream, or close to how Infinite Reality really is. Then Enlightenment can happen. But it can't be forced, since that would be thoughts with a thinker identified with them, with I-feelings, wanting something. Infinite Being/Consciousness has to understand itself, with no artifical activity/separate self trying to force it. At that point, the properties of the mindstream above can be automized, and this automatic meditation/mindfulness can be protected ("mindfulness without [artificial activity]"), element (1) of Nonmeditation Yoga, see Pointing out the Great Way, Brown). One doesnt't focus on anything (which Daniel Brown calls particularizing). This picking out something specific with attention (particularizing, the fastest process of the mind, way faster than thinking) is what creates Duality, or better disrupts the original nonduality. Instead, one watches how particularization happens, and transcends that in a way that the boundless nondual unity with/of the visual field is not interrupted. Element (2) of Nonmeditation Yoga, "do not take to mind". and then maintains and waits in that state. Meditation and Mindfulness in these awakened nondual states does itself. Enlightenment can't be forced, because who would do the forcing? Instead, the Infinite Vastness/Being can understand/realize itself (or its True Nature) when conditions are exactly right. That is then Enlightenment. Bye bye illusion-human, hello Infinite Being/Reality "having" a human,. Making the mindstream conform to the enlightened mindstream so that Enlightenment can happen is very important, because that part can be done by intelligent and informed practice. And that is why an efficient system is way faster, more efficient for most than and way more pleasent than a brute force approach like sitting an staring at the wall (brute force method), concentration or Koan-style. more likely to work than betting on just by having the right Karma and enough of the mere-appearance-infinite-character of the visual field and thought/feeling space in place already (Ramana, Anamanda Ma), and then some contemplation based on the already very much conforming mindstream Only those who needed to walked the steps can tell about the steps. Those are on top can mainly tell about how the properties of the roof are/what Truth is, but its more difficult to talk about steps that didn't have to be taken/climbed because they were already in place. The low success rate of the Enlightenment-endeavours in my perspective is due to mostly using brute-force-methods (which need lots and lots of willpower and pushing through negative emotions on the pillow) with no clear map of the steps of the path and the lots of cul-de-sacs of the path, or prodigy-approaches of telling about nature of True Being, but not offering a method path for average-gifted persons (Ramana for example). So, conforming to the enlightened mindstream mainly is: (1) Visual Field nondual, mere appearance, "hovering" in Infinite Vasteness/Infinity, being manifested/imagined right now (2) every thought arising/feeling arising is seen as emerging out of True Being/consciousness, made out of it, moving in it. Especially all thoughts/feelings relating to I/me. Feels impersonal, no separate indiduality found in any of that. And based on that the separate self (what one thought oneself to be) can be realized as mere flow of colours/appearances/feelings/thoughts (which have a very coherent and well made structure/Gestalt, and therefor are extremly hypnotizing and seem believeable) appearing in Oneself (Infinite Being), including the whole past, and that one IS the always here Infinite Eternal Field of Being/Consciousness. And the former separate-self is like the tree-picture in this wikipedia-article (below): A representation for something that appears (the tree), but has no independend existence apart from True Being (which is the nondual infinite eternal vastness of Being right here and now, with the body and mindstream having no different priority or separation from all that is). A well made illusion. The picture of the tree concept doesn't point to a real tree outside of consciousness (an object), but to shapes/colours of an imagined trees within Infinite Consciousness, not to real trees that exist outside of Infinite Being, self-existing/indepdently existing outside of consciousness. There are no trees, just the concept of them, and some imagined colours/forms/sensations giving the Gestalt of an appearance of atree. Same way, there is no human/separate-self beyond the appearance-Gestalt, and the concept pointing to such an imagined self-existing entity. There is only Infinite Being, not the human (which only appears in Infinite Being). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concept There always ever was, is and can be the Totality of (true) Being, self-aware, perceptions perceiving themselves. Either with reflective-self-consciousness arising (like normal human mind stream), or just mere awareness of the Totality without the self-consciousness part, perceptions perceiving themselves. Aware, but not separate. The non reflective-pure awareness of this vast field/being is more fundamental than the temporary appearing self-consciousness (with I-feelings I-thoughts). The Awareness is the Sun, the reflective (self-) consciousness (I-feeling, I-thoughts) is the reflected light of the Sun on the planets. Basically, its replacing ones old mistaken identity (imagined false illusion separate-self) with the correct identity, Infinite timeless/eternal (always here) Being. The flow of the human mindstream with its practical thoughts and so on happen within Ones True Being. One has a human, but is not only the human. Thoughts or feelings of separation are known to be illusion. When that shift happen, this realization is always available by just reaching out, or immediately always present. The visual field IS mere appearance and lucid/hologram/groundless, it IS infinite, eternal always here. Thoughts and feelings ARE just floating in it, made out of it, and "it" is onself, nondual. And that can be felt all the time or by just checking/moving attention there. It can never really be unseen. Reality/True Being understands itself. It is beyond doubt, unshakable, deathless/immortal always here. And that is the kicker: One/True Being is literally immortal and infinite. Not the ego, but True Being with its nature of Awareness. One can never die, and nothing outside one self can truly threaten one, because there is no outside of oneself. Seriousness and danger is replaced with laughter and security. Resting in True Being generates bliss, even when approaching it in Thisdells stage 4. Its a self-reinforcing positive feedback loop: Cutting off thoughts, field nondual, bliss flows. Literally. And that reinforces the stability of Nondual mere appearance visual field even more. Awakening enchances awakening. Suffering/resistance to what is no longer grips in any form since a long time. If it moves within ones being, is seen and let go. Would the inherent bliss of True Being ever be exchanged with grasping for being an ET seeing more of manifested reality, but suffers because its not enlightened? (more on that later). That is a "hard" shift, it is not just thinking differently. It is for sure not "I am God and imagine all reality", which is just cosplay. It is Reality understanding itself, Infinite Being waking up to itself. What can do the understanding of that? Reality/Being/Infinite Consciousness. Waking up to its True Nature. That last shift is knowing what one really is, and that understanding/realization runs over a short period of time. Waking up. Happens only once. And is final. Is beyond doubt (since these would only be more thoughts/arisings moving within Reality and subsiding into it). The shifts/Awakenings leading towards it go over a longer time, many years. And then of course there are infinite forms of manifestation, ET n+1, with vastly more understanding of the relative manifestations, basking in their understanding of the imagination process, different dimensions, higher realms, non-euclidian space, completely other alien manifestation realms. Humans look like ants compared to that for sure. These beings have been reported since millenia, in all cultures, all times. Reality-creating and maintaining Gods (Brahman, Shiva, Vishnu and endless other names for them). But it is the same True YOU, the only Being or Awareness in existence. The same being. There is nothing outside of it. No other (being, God, alien). And one can have an unenlightened ET, not having realized what Reality really is. Beings of higher realms are not necessarily enlightened. That tale is as old as the spiritual traditions. Although many of these beings of higher planes are enlightened. An unenlightened ET (which by definition has separate-self-elements not transcended/seen through in real time, which are by definition nothing other than the elements resisting the now, or suffering in other words) is a rather sad and suffering figure compared to a being who has realized its True Infinite Being. Calling the lower higher, and the higher lower. Whose modus operandi is that again? But lets not end too serious: It is all an illusion-game, "nobody" really gets lost forever, and Maya smiles lovingly on all not-really-(self)-existing-but-just-appearing children of Reality, humans and ETs alike. Although it can appear & feel very real & serious. Selling Water by the River -
Water by the River replied to Javfly33's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
For me that was the most tricky stage. One has to install an automized mindfullness-process that cuts of anything separate/I-feeling/I-thought automatically and fast enough, but can't use willful artificial activity for it (because that is separate-self/ego/thought process) again, and that is way too slow and cuts off Nonduality/Awakening). Best description for that stage I found is Brown, Pointing out the Great Way, chapter Nonmeditation. I had to read it dozens of times over the years to get the nuances... Jhanas also work, but in my opinion Mahamudra/Nonmeditation is more sophisticated and efficient. Historically, it was developed in Tibet over a long time with many many practitioners, while Theravada/Jhana looks for me more like way earlier Buddhism. Although it of course also works, see Frank Yang, Daniel Ingram and Roger Thisdell. But all(!) say that at the last stages they needed to add something like Dzogchen/Mahamudra/Do-Nothing meditation and not only willful concentration (artificial activity). -
Water by the River replied to Oppositionless's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Thisdells stage 3 Big Self/God self to stage 4 No Self. Now the ripening of stage 4 to stage 5 True No Self is left. Nonmeditation-Yoga to disassemble the last remnants of the separate-self/individuality/subtle and fast I-feelings and I thoughts to truly become the Infinite Totality. That stage is tricky, because active effort is often counter-productive "artifical activity". Many items have to fall in place until stage 4 ripens and conforms to the enlightened mind. Luckily, the path tends to show itself to itself. But you can put a blow-torch to the whole separateness burning down anyway, accelerating the progress. Getting rid of these remnants is what open up boundless Nonduality on a permanent basis without psychedelics. https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=Nonmeditation Yoga&author=Water by the River -
Leo Gura replied to Oppositionless's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Consciousness is a much more complex and richer thing than merely awareness. Although of course awareness is core to consciousness. To understand what consciousness is requires insane levels of awakening. Beyond nonduality and human spirituality. It couldn't be more profound. These so called enlightened people do not understand what consciousness is. Consciousness is a 1000 times more sophisticated than what Buddhists teach. -
Oppositionless replied to Oppositionless's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
that’s what I thought too, even when I “believed” in nonduality and naive idealism. the whole “to be is to be perceived” thing always struck me as a simplification that presented reality as a stupid , inert thing. not too different a description from materialism. it also didn’t make sense of the bizarre experiences of synchronicity I’ve had. -
Princess Arabia replied to Javfly33's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Nonduality doesn't need to benefit from anything. It is what it is. Silence is the best practice, so I'll just shut up. Hehe. -
Yimpa replied to Javfly33's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Nonduality could benefit from more creative thinkers. That silent void be too monochromatic. -
Water by the River replied to Arthogaan's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
1. in Thisdells stage-system stage 3. Classic Nonduality with individuality/"I" still intact, although a bit emptied out. "I" "am" pure Consciousness/Everything/Reality/God/whatever. The Godself. The I extended to cosmic proportions. Or I am God. Or infinite ET. Or whatever. Either way, often not for the faint-hearted. Franks take on that: 2. is normally this here: Stage 4. A "murky" Individuality still left, making that stage still contradictory, and... still suffering with resistance to what is. And stage 5 is the end of the game: Yup. And since all of these stages can sound quite similiar, there are a lot of possibilities to... end up halfway up the mountain and declare it summit. And still suffer/resist what is, and declare that unavoidable. Selling Water by the River -
Leo Gura replied to StarStruck's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Beyond nonduality is where serious consciousness starts happening. -
I often remember a glance of love that a yogi gave me in an ashram with a smile . He was in a state of bliss , and even though I was a total stranger to him, it did not prevent him from expressing his inner happiness in the form of a loving smile to me. It was really a very beautiful moment. In a place with high prana energy levels, it is natural to have smiles and loving glances at each other. The high prana levels automatically bring the mind to a nondual state. In eastern philosophy, nonduality is the true state as a unitary consciousness is considered to be behind the multiplicity and diversity of the material world, The more unconscious one is due to psychological issues or low prana levels, the more he or she is bound to be in a dualistic state due to fear, anxiety, stress and competitiveness. In such a society it is natural to be suspicious and not smile at strangers or even at known ones. People will say it is prudent to be skeptical, unsmiling and mistrustful, but it is a good gauge for the unconsciousness levels in that society.
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Leo’s Blog Videos ➼ There’s another version of this list that organizes these videos into different categories like Epistemology, Enlightenment, Life Purpose, Society and Health. It’s called Leo’s Blog: Videos, Summaries and Interviews. • Explaining Take-Down & New Awakening - Feb 18, 2022 • Extra Insights About Good Intentions - Aug 23, 2021 • Sherlock Holmes' Brain - Apr 21, 2021 • Water Fast Ends, Carnivore Diet Begins - Apr 9, 2021 • Why Debates Don't Work - Mar 21, 2021 • 14 Day Water Fast - Mar 17, 2021 • Guerilla Business Advice - Feb 28, 2021 • Learning From Partially False Perspectives - Feb 25, 2021 • Back From 2 Month Break, Updates - Feb 5, 2021 • Conscious Capitalism BS - Nov 26, 2020 • Requisite Variety & Creative Laziness - Jul 22, 2020 • My Health Situation - Jul 21, 2020 • Deconstructing Property Rights - Jul 8, 2020 • Why Bernie Sanders Lost - Apr 17, 2020 • What It's Like To Smoke Salvia Divinorum - Feb 29, 2020 • Explaining God For Dummies - Feb 5, 2020 • Miracle Awakening - Dec 17, 2019 • Ego-Collapse Awakening - Dec 15, 2019 • Why The Media Is Corrupt - Oct 23, 2019 • The Big Picture Of Global Politics - Oct 7, 2019 • My Critique Of Zizek's Critique Of Buddhism - Aug 23, 2019 • Rethinking Human History - Aug 21, 2019 • Why Are My Videos So Long? - Aug 19, 2019 • How To Test For Self-Bias - Aug 15, 2019 • Infinite Love Awakening - Jul 17, 2019 • Tapping Into Collective Consciousness - Jul 11, 2019 • Do I Doubt Myself? - Jul 7, 2019 • Sense Organs Are Imaginary - Jun 27, 2019 • DPT The Other God Molecule - Jun 21, 2019 • Total Omniscience Awakening - Jun 11, 2019 • My Political Awakening - Jan 23, 2019 • Skepticism & Nonduality - Oct 22, 2018 • How I Started My First Business - Oct 8, 2018 • All Understanding Is Metaphoric - Part 2 - Oct 3, 2018 • Metaphysics vs Epistemology - Sept 16, 2018 • Why Get Rich Quick Schemes Don't Work - Sep 10, 2018 • Inside The Mind Of Trump - Sep 6, 2018 • All Understanding Is Metaphoric - Sept 4, 2018 • Sitting Posture For Yoga & Meditation - Mar 6, 2018 • Don't Half-Ass Yoga - Mar 6, 2018 • Life Lessons From "Life Below Zero" - Jan 10, 2018 • Changing Perspectives Destroys Reality - Dec 21, 2017 • Understanding Better Than Academics - Dec 9, 2017 • Absolute Infinity Demo - Nov 29, 2017 • The Launch Of Infinite Insights - Leo's Blog - Jan 30, 2017 Leo’s Personal Retreats Retreat At Home: • May 2018 Solo Retreat - Part 1 - May 31, 2018 • May 2018 Solo Retreat - Part 2 - Jun 4, 2018 • May 2018 Solo Retreat - Part 3 - Jun 8, 2018 Two Retreats In Hawaii: • First Hawaii Retreat - Feb 2018 (8 videos) - Feb 25, 2018 • Second Hawaii Retreat Intro - Apr 26, 2018 • Hawaii Late Night Insights - May 1, 2018 • Conclusion Mindfucked In Hawaii - Apr 22, 2018 Retreat in Arizona: • Solo Retreat Videos & Insights (10 videos) - May 7, 2017 Interviews with Leo • The Theories of Everything Podcast interviews Leo —Part One: Ego Death, God, Reality vs Dream, TOEs, and an "Ask Me Anything.” - Sept 20, 2021 —Part Two: Infinite Consciousness, God Realization, Free Will, and Love - Sept 7, 2021 • The Charlie and Ben Podcast interviews Leo — Deconstructing Reality, Psychedelic Enlightenment and Spiral Dynamics - May 7, 2021 • Leo Interviews Martin Ball - Using 5-MeO-DMT To Become Enlightened (ep.#283) - Nov 20, 2016 • Leo Interviews Peter Ralston (29 videos) - Nov 9, 2016 • Leo Interviews Dating Coach Tripp Advice- How To Be An Attractive Man. (ep.#176) - Nov 2, 2014
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This was shared by a friend @HMD its in my mother tongue urdu but has subtitles It hints at nonduality.... https://youtu.be/Ef4gGOX1F4o?si=O2IDlz-8OK6H6Y1N
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This second video is from a guy who is a member in this forum and he is also active on spirituality-related topics on Quora. So the point that these people are making is that in solipsism the claim is that all that exists in reality is me . Or ..the content of my consciousness right now and nothing else . All "others " are mere NPC ..yada yada ..I think most of you guys are familiar with solipsism as it is probably the single most discussed topic on this forum . Their point is that nonduality/Advaita makes an even more radical claim ..that the "me " which is said to be the only thing that exists in the solipsistic worldview ..that that me is ALSO illusory . So not only others don't exist . But you yourself don't exist either . There is simply nobody home in the entire universe . Now ..this leads us to what is called " metaphysical Nihilism "..which simply states that In fact ..nothing exists at all in reality ..no self..no other ..no world ..no universe etc . And this also known as Ajata in Buddhism which is the idea that reality is absolutely empty and devoid of any real substance..or simply put it doesn't exist. And this is how you actually do the work that Leo suggests to actually deconstruct all of reality...it takes three steps: 1- metaphysical solipsism (only me exist.others don't ). 2-Advaita (even I don't exist ). 3Ajata (nothing at all actually exist ).
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your sense of reality is gonna be twisted and shaken up like a snowglobe! i suggest a trip sitter cuz i was stupid and decided to smoke this stuff in my treehouse (yes i fell out LOL) thats an example of being incredibly stupid with psychedelics it could have fucking killed me a trip sitter would be good for you if you have especially poor judgement like myself. lesson learned. you may lose motor control so try not to be near windows i hear people like jumping through them on this stuff. overall i always had agood experience on salvia IT WAS ALWAYS UNCOMFORTABLE! but i never had exactly a bad tryp. although i know for damn well i could say to infinity and beyond and just smoke as much as i can and maybe never recover mentally thats how powerful this stuff is. start with a low dose to see how ur body feels i remember it felt almost familiar in a way the first time i smoked it like being stoned beyond comprehension. i thought it was funny as fuck but that was just a half bowl of 10x. once you are comfortable with it at a low dose that will actually help eliminate some of the anxiety you may otherwise have. move up and take a decent dose (or high if you want do whatever u want i suggest suggest start with a small and say hi to salvia first before u decide to have full blown angry bdsm with it, you will not be the one holding the whip i PROMISE! besides this, have fun enjoy its mood be open to it. its not gonna last long if things turn stale and your are gonna freak out, guerilla pounding my chest (not hard but good hits) does help me (if you can remember to do this) i guess ill describe my experience unfortunatley its the one where i fell out of the treehouse but heres the mini trip report. i had 60 x of some pretty good salvia from a reputable source my gameplan was to quickly smoke in the treehouse climb out as fast as i can and make my way to the house and just chill (thats that poor judgement i was talking about) i pack it into a bowl and light it tokes away! as im holding it till im blue in the face i felt a buzz all through my body. once i exhaled i was almost zapped into this wierd perception of whats happening around me everything around me began to do this weird funhouse effect where it was bouncing up and down left and right. i remembered that i had to get in the house to enjoy the trip. as i stood up my balance was just GONE. i would have a higher chance getting down near dead from alcohol poisoning. but what had struck me as strange was that as i stood up it was almost like these millions of entities were watching me struggle for balance and they were laughing as if i was stuck in this sitcom, they would all laugh at me every move i made that was clearly failing. i make it to the ladder i get one foot down then BAM i smack the floor i land on my shoulder and not my head thank god. the entities LOSE IT they think this is the funniest thing ever. im laying there just confused as to if i really just fell out of the treehouse. i get up and continue my perilous journey to the indoors. as i approach the house the house almost became its own entity that again had this funhouse bouncy appearance. EVERYTHING about the house screamed that the house was actually alive the windows were eyes and mouths. even as i was in the house the hallways were alive in this funhouse sort of way. i eventually do make it downstairs and sit down but im just kinda frozen in place with a "O_O" expression. i want to disclaim that i was not into nonduality at this point so i didnt have any mystical experiences i was just the soul trapped in this inter cosmic sitcom where i stumble around and fail to do things for all eternity. my life purpose was to be this fool entertaining these entities which icould hear but could not see. i guess the point of this is that your sense of reality will get CRUSHED on salvia. top advice- say hi to salvia first then take salvia on a date give her her first kiss, then maybe give her some desert after dinner. when you feel ready THEN let salvia pin you to the wall and blindfold you. i could see legitimate spiritual use for salvia but not how its conventionally used. you can get a sense of how your perception is reality and that in deep enough trips there is no you at all.
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@Leo Gura I know as a westerner, you were raised in a mostly secular environment but could connecting with God in a semi-religious semi-spiritual way be any good? It is the difference between meditation and praying. I used to pray a lot, and I can say that Praying is more emotionally engaging then meditation but Meditation is more concentrated and mind-focused pracitce. It is the difference between Buddhism and something like Sufism. Part of me is longing to do some praying but nonduality made it harder for me to do so, as it removes the distinction between you and God. I would have to pretend that God is a separate entity to do so (in some, that actually is true).
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Aztec Nonduality - Profound Life Lessons From Aztec Philosophy https://youtu.be/8GjGMWBWWKM "Brahman is real; the world is not real; Brahman is the world." - Shankara Aztec Non-duality: Leo introduces Aztec non-duality which shares similarities with various major religions, emphasizing the dynamic, self-generating essence of the universe called Teotl. He plans to detail this spiritual outlook by citing an article from the Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy, offering an overarching view of spirituality and God from an Aztec perspective. Concept of Teotl: Teotl is depicted as an all-encompassing, sacred power that is immanent within and transcendent beyond the universe. It signifies an interconnected cosmos that is ever-generating and regenerating, where every element is both a facet of Teotl and wholly identified with it. Image 1 Image 2 Image 3 Understanding of Immanence and Transcendence: Leo clarifies that Teotl represents both the tangible world (immanence) and the formless, overarching unification of the universe (transcendence), a concept paralleled in Christian theology and other spiritual traditions. Image 4 Process-Oriented View of the Universe: The universe is described not as a static object but as an ongoing process comparable to a constantly changing waterfall. This view contrasts with static perceptions of the material universe, suggesting a more fluid and dynamic reality. Image 5 Dialectical Polar Monism: Introducing the idea of dialectical polar monism, Leo explains the universe as a single entity that expresses itself through an endless interplay of opposites such as life and death, or order and disorder, reflecting a balance inherent to the cosmos. Image 6 Balance and the Cycle of Polarities: The lecture touches on the importance of balance in life, indicating that reality involves navigating between complementary opposites without rigidly clinging to any static point or trying to eliminate one side of a duality. Image 7 Materialist versus Aztec Metaphysics: Leo contrasts the materialist notion of an objective, unchanging universe with the Aztec view, which recognizes no static reality but rather an unceasing transformation and renewal of the cosmos—a principle of impermanence also found in Buddhism. Image 8 Image 9 Impermanence and Clinging: Highlighting the concept of impermanence, Leo warns against clinging to transient aspects of life such as possessions, relationships, and ideologies, advocating for a recognition of constant change as a fundamental quality of existence. Universality of Aztec Non-duality: The overall emphasis is on the universal nature of Teotl as a living, sentient cosmic process that is continuously self-transforming, aligning with the non-dual teachings expressed across multiple spiritual traditions. Dynamic Nature of Reality and Personal Growth: The constant change and development of all phenomena, including personal growth from childhood, illustrate the continuous flow and transformation characteristic of Teotl. This opposes the human tendency to cling to a static identity or state. Image 10 Dialectical Presentation of Teotl: Teotl is described dynamically, transcending the dichotomies of being and non-being, order and disorder, and other polarities. This persuasive non-duality is beyond the predication of any specific qualities and manifests as a 'third kind' that is at once both and neither of the dualistic states. Paradox of Non-duality: Teotl encompasses qualities like male and female, life and death, yet it transcends all such dualities. This presents a paradox for human understanding, which is accustomed to categorizing reality into distinct forms rather than perceiving the non-dual essence. Teotl's Ontological Indeterminacy: Nahua metaphysics points to an anti-realist view that rejects the concept of a static, fixed, objective reality. Teotl resembles Kant's noumenon, being the essence beyond all perceivable phenomena. Image 11 Pantheistic View of Nahua Philosophers: Nahua philosophy embraces pantheism, the view that all existence is a sacred, interrelated unity identical with the sacred totality of Teotl. This challenges orthodox religious views by dismissing the notion of God as a separate, anthropomorphic being. Image 12 Cosmic Artistry and Shamanic Disguise: Teotl is seen as a sacred artist, endlessly creating the cosmos in an artistic presentation. The universe is perceived as an ongoing, metaphorical performance of Teotl. Additionally, the concept of 'nahual' implies that the cosmos and its transformations are manifestations of Teotl's shamanic self-masking, illustrating the elusive and ever-changing nature of the divine. Image 13 Challenges in Recognizing God's Presence: God, the ultimate shapeshifter with no intrinsic form, is compared to a perfectly camouflaged creature in the forest, illustrating the difficulty in recognizing the divine in everyday existence without a cultivated consciousness. Image 14 Metaphor of Chameleon for God: The metaphor highlights God as the ultimate chameleon, perfectly camouflaged within existence. Materialists struggle to find evidence for God because divine presence is intricately integrated into all aspects of reality, requiring conscious recognition rather than empirical proof. Concepts of God in Various Traditions: In different religious traditions, God includes both deceptive (like the Christian devil) and transformative traits (shapeshifter), showing that God has a multifaceted character, including both creative (Maya) and deceptive (devilish) aspects. Nature of Existence According to Nahua Philosophy: Existence is characterized by three specific illusions: the perception of static entities (like humans or trees), the belief in individual, separate existences, and the apparent opposition of dualities. These are considered deceptions of Teotl, masking the true oneness and dynamic movement of all things. Image 15 The Human Mind's Deceptiveness: Leo underlines the idea that the human mind is prone to self-deception, shaping our perceptions and creating illusions that hinder our understanding of the universe. He emphasizes the need for self-inquiry and spiritual practice to transcend these illusions. Wisdom's Role in Realizing Teotl: Wisdom allows humans to discern Teotl's presence beneath its many disguises. Spiritual practices aim to penetrate the illusion and recognize "Teotl as Teotl," the empty, formless truth behind all forms. Image 16 Understanding Teotl's Metaphysical Attributes: Teotl embodies a complex set of attributes, functioning as the source, object, and standard of reality, knowledge, and aesthetic value. A dual nature of Teotl as both male and female energy is presented, balancing and sustaining the cosmic rhythm. Image 17 Image 18 Image 19 Recognizing Earthly Life as a Divine Disguise: Earthly existence is perceived as a dream or illusion, with humans often misled by Teotl's artistic self-disguise. This is not an ontological claim but an epistemic one, emphasizing the deceptive nature of ordinary human perspectives. Image 20 Image 21 Illusion Versus Ultimate Reality: Leo explains that while materialists or dualists may see non-duality as a false distinction between illusion and ultimate truth, Nahua philosophy maintains those are identically aspects of the singular reality. This concept underscores the monistic worldview that aligns with the non-dual understanding of existence. Image 22 Embodiment of Non-duality: Non-duality must integrate the absolute with relative perceptions, similar to viewing a half-full glass as both half-full and half-empty. The challenge lies in recognizing the unity of these opposing perceptions; there's only one reality that can be seen in different ways based on perspective. Perception of Teotl as the Sole Reality: According to Nahua monism, humans can only truly perceive 'Teotl', the ultimate reality. To perceive 'Teotl' directly (De Rey) is to become one with it, rather than seeing it through a veil of perception or as separate from oneself. Image 23 Human Misconception of Teotl: Humans often misperceive Teotl by seeing it under disguise or specific descriptions (De Dicto), such as maleness, death, night, etc. This prevents them from seeing Teotl as it truly is and leads to a misunderstanding of divine reality. Image 24 Direct and Indirect Perception of God: There are two modes of perceiving God: indirectly, through descriptive forms which cause delusion, and directly, through a mystical union with God that transcends language and concepts, leading to true knowledge of Teotl. Metaphysical and Epistemological Unity: To know something fully is to become it, eliminating the subject-object duality. Western philosophy struggles with the hard problem of consciousness because it relies on concepts and categories, while Nahua philosophy suggests direct knowledge through unity. Image 25 Existence on a 'Treacherous Habitat' Earth: Earthly life is viewed as precariously balanced on a 'slippery earth' full of danger. Moral misstep is likened to slipping on slick ground, causing humans to easily lose balance and suffer misfortune, underscoring the need for guidance. Image 26 Philosophy for Maintaining Balance: Nahua philosophy is practical, focused on the essential question of how humans can maintain balance in life. This contrasts with the abstract, detached analytical philosophy of the West, emphasizing the need for a practical approach to philosophical wisdom. Image 27 Applying Philosophy to Real-World Problems: Actualized.org aims to make philosophy practical by addressing real-world problems like depression, addiction, and career dissatisfaction. The goal is to help individuals live more fulfilling lives through authentic philosophical practice. Consequences of Disconnection from True Philosophy: Many societal and personal problems stem from a collective disconnection from true philosophy, leading to dysfunctional, unfulfilling lives. True philosophy, such as the Nahua's, is vital for addressing issues like war, genocide, and environmental destruction. Balancing Human Life According to Nahua Philosophy: Nahua philosophy emphasizes wisdom and balance as crucial for human beings to navigate life. Unlike the pursuit of technology or intelligence, wisdom affords stability amid an impermanent life filled with challenges. Achieving balance is dynamic, like riding a unicycle, and needs to be applied in all facets of life, from business to personal relationships. Image 28 Wisdom as Practical Dynamic Balance: Wisdom is not about holding static, eternal truths but rather about the skillful balancing of consumption, recognizing that lifestyles should be rooted in indigenous shamanism and connected to the concept of Teotl. Wisdom leads to stability and well-being by guiding actions in a balanced way. Image 29 Becoming Wise by Rooting in Teotl: True wisdom and living a good life, according to all religions, involve becoming deeply rooted in Teotl—or divine consciousness. Wisdom is not grasping eternal truths but actively maintaining balance across life's various situations. Image 30 Religion's Role in Connecting with God: Properly practiced religion should quickly connect people with God through various techniques, leading to inherently moral behavior without the need for rules or commandments. Four Aspects of Wisdom for Nahua: Wisdom includes (1) maintaining balance and purity for well-being; (2) adapting and extending the way of life inherited from ancestors; (3) participating in the regeneration and renewal of the cosmos; (4) performing ritual activities that genuinely represent Teotl. Image 31 Image 32 Interdependence and Impact of Human Actions: Nahua philosophy acknowledges a participatory universe where humans and the cosmos are mutually influential. Human actions contribute to either cosmic harmony or disharmony, reinforcing the importance of an integrated approach to existence. Image 33 Earthy Life and Juvenile Moderation: While the Nahua recognize earthly life's potential for well-being, they urge moderation in all aspects to prevent imbalance. This reflects their holistic perspective that balance cannot be found in outdated, rigid rules but requires adaptive wisdom specific to the current societal context. Image 34 Image 35 Rootedness in Teotl for an Authentic Life: Humans have a deep yearning for rootedness, often being misled by appearances of stability in various pursuits. True balance and purity stem from rootedness in Teotl, which contrasts materialistic grounding leading to dissatisfaction and repeat searching. Image 36 Wisdom over Dogmatic Moral Codes: The Nahua philosophy stresses the ability to balance dynamically rather than relying on a fixed set of moral codes, which can be inadequate and lead to imbalance in a rapidly changing world. Wisdom allows for practical flexibility and is necessary for well-being in complex modern societies. Image 37 Rooting in the Absolute Truth: The only unchanging and absolute truth, which represents stability and well-foundedness in the face of change, is equated with nothingness. This contrasts with the impermanence of language, national identities, norms, and even the human body. Consequences of Disconnection from Teotl: A disconnection from Teotl leads to a scattered, unbalanced, and beastly existence. Humans become lost, intemperate, and vicious, lacking humanity and engaging in deceptions and self-deceptions. This is reflected in various sectors of society such as politics, religion, and business, and in personal relationships. Force Cannot Instill Consciousness of Teotl: Coercing or indoctrinating individuals to understand Teotl through dogmatic or ideological means is counterproductive. Genuine consciousness of Teotl cannot be substituted with ideas or beliefs about it; it requires a higher state of consciousness and practice for proper, decent living. Image 38 Importance of Proper Education: Current education systems fail to prepare individuals to be decent human beings. They should instead teach children philosophy, metaphysics, spirituality, and proper scientific thinking within bounds. The lack of such education contributes to societal and environmental pollution. Societal Contagion Methods: The prevalence of materialism and disconnection from Teotl acts like a contagion, spreading through various channels such as the media and influencing different sectors like healthcare and government. Attempts to cure this contagion without proper understanding may exacerbate the problem. Epistemological Cognition and Balance: Nahuas view well-grounded stability in cognition as walking in balance on slippery earth. Their concept of truth is non-semantic, emphasizing stability and well-rootedness rather than correspondence or descriptions. Image 39 Western Intellectual Tradition's Misinterpretation of Truth: Western philosophy and science often misunderstand the essence of truth, treating it as statements or propositions. True understanding is deeper than language and demands direct insight, which most do not seek, leading to a fundamental disconnection from truth. Image 40 Spectrum of Authentic Representations of Teotl: There is a continuum ranging from authentically embodying and representing Teotl to those poorly rooted in it. The effectiveness and truthfulness of everything, from personal actions to commercial products, are evaluated on this continuum. Disclosing and Unconcealing Truth Through Entities: Genuine and authentic entities that are well-rooted in Teotl can reveal the profound truth, providing people with better access to this understanding. Societal institutions need to foster systems that are revealing of Teotl for collective well-being. Heart Over Head in Knowing Teotl: True knowledge of Teotl comes through the heart, characterized by a holistic mindset, rather than the left hemisphere of the brain which is logical and demanding. Living from the heart leads to better health, less selfishness, and fulfillment of life's mission through love and wisdom. Image 41 Image 42 Experiencing Platonic Existential Love: As one recognizes themselves as Teotl and feels intimately connected with the universe, they relinquish judgment and tribalism, leading to the experience of platonic existential metaphysical love that embraces all as facets of Teotl. Ineffability of Teotl: Teotl is ultimately ineffable, a seamless totality unrelated to language, concepts, or categories. True experience of Teotl comes non-rationally and without symbolic or linguistic mediation, as these are merely facets of its disguise. Image 43 Limits of Symbolic Consciousness: Ordinary human consciousness is trapped in a symbolic, conceptual realm, thinking in terms of models and quantifications. One needs non-symbolic consciousness to truly understand Teotl, as it is beyond finite models and symbols. Role of Art in Presenting Teotl: Song poems and artistic creation are the highest forms of human artistry that closely imitate Teotl's cosmic creativity. Great art comes from a Teotlized heart and reveals the beauty and truth of Teotl. Image 44 Artistic Expression and Life Purpose: Developing a "Teotlized" heart and engaging in creative activities can improve one's connection to Teotl. Finding one’s life purpose in artistic expression is crucial, as creation is a core aspect of Teotl and personal fulfillment. Acquiring a Teotlized Heart: To truly know Teotl, one must lead a balanced, pure, moral, and moderate life, showing respect and humility towards Teotl. Without authenticity and moral righteousness, the knowledge of Teotl remains elusive. Image 45 Interdependence of Epistemology, Morality, and Aesthetics: Becoming knowledgeable about Teotl involves not just intellectual understanding but also moral and aesthetic self-improvement, as they are intertwined in living a balanced and beautiful life connected to Teotl. Image 46 Reciprocal Moral Relationship with Teotl: Knowing Teotl is part of a moral exchange; moral conduct leads to the merits of wisdom and beauty. This interaction is essential for understanding Teotl, highlighting the interconnectedness of moral behavior and epistemological enrichment. Image 47 Consequences of Mechanical Morality: People who try to be good through mechanical means without raising their consciousness often feel guilt and shame. Authentic self-improvement comes from becoming more conscious, leading to a natural desire to live a better life. Morality is crucial for creating a conducive environment for spiritual growth among all community members, not just the deeply dedicated individuals. Humaneness and Flourishing through Balance and Purity: Living in balance and purity perfects humanness and leads to flourishing. Conversely, the absence of these qualities degrades humaneness and causes suffering. Teotl, embodying beauty and purity, sets the ultimate standard of value. Virtual connection with Teotl is essential for balance and purity. Image 48 Beauty in Nature as a Reflection of Teotl: Observing the natural world, such as peacock tail feathers or animals, can illustrate the beauty inherent in Teotl's design, contrasting with man-made objects that lack symmetry and order, reflecting a disconnection from Teotl. Evolution drives towards higher beauty, consciousness, and balance, aligning with Teotl's principles. Moral Conduct as Path to Authenticity: Morally appropriate behavior develops one's authentic human nature, enriches life, and cultivates a good heart. In contrast, morally inappropriate actions leave individuals undeveloped and impoverished. Moderation in all pursuits, as advocated in Buddhist and Aristotelian philosophy, is the key to wisdom and balance. Image 49 Image 50 Health Issues as Byproduct of Lifestyle: Conditions such as autoimmune diseases, mental illnesses, and heart disease are not merely accidental but result from how individuals live, including diet and mindset. Societal spoilage stems from a collective disconnect from Teotl, leading to an imbalance between oneself and the environment. Purpose of Education: The true aim of education is to cultivate a wise and robust character, instilling the means to maintain balance in life. Modern education fails to provide this, focusing on academic achievements. Still, one can take individual responsibility for their own furthered education in wisdom and authenticity. Image 51 Role of Educator and Ritual Activities: The educator's task is to shape character and foster a connection to Teotl. Addressing issues like addiction requires rituals and techniques that restore balance and purity. Modern society needs new, relevant methods to realign with the heart and Teotl. Image 52 Interplay of Aesthetics, Morality, and Knowledge: Aesthetic value correlates with moral and epistemological value. Balance, truth, and purity enhance aesthetic appeal, while disorder and impurity reflect ugliness. Appropriate techniques and rituals should be developed to address specific imbalances and reclaim connection with Teotl. Image 53 Image 54 Artistic Integrity and Business Alignment: Genuine artistic creations and business operations should be well-rooted, balanced, true, and pure, reflecting and disclosing Teotl or ultimate reality. Leo critiques businesses that are detached from Teotl, causing ecological and societal damage, and suggests striving to align business practices with Teotl to promote balance and purity in the cosmos. Aesthetic Value and Moral Uprightness: Art and creative endeavors are aesthetically valuable when they present and embody Teotl, contributing positively to cosmic balance and purity. This requires a "Teotlized" heart, implying that the individual must be morally upright and aligned with ultimate truth to produce such work. Image 55 Image 56 Materialism and Environmental Collapse: Leo points to the harmful impacts of businesses operated by people who lack a connection to Teotl, such as environmental destruction and social conflicts. He considers the rational-materialistic focus damaging, leading to widespread suffering and instability. Upright Behavior and Knowledge of Truth: Leo asserts that those who are unaware of Teotl create destructive art and business practices. He underscores the necessity for creators and leaders to be morally upright to contribute positively to society and the environment. Image 57 Life, Suffering, and Transience: Drawing parallels with Buddhist teachings on suffering and impermanence, Leo emphasizes the importance of connecting to Teotl to minimize personal and societal suffering. This connection can transform one's life into a beautiful and noble existence, akin to "flowering and singing." Image 58 Life Blueprint and Self-Connection: Leo reiterates the importance of connecting with one's true nature, Teotl, to lead a fulfilling life. He describes this as the "master blueprint" for an amazing life and warns against the futility of seeking satisfaction in transient worldly pursuits. Religion and Its Essence: Encouraging a deep understanding of religion, Leo asks materialists and atheists to contemplate the significance of religion and find the kernel of truth it holds. He advocates an integral approach to spiritual texts, gleaning from them the high-level concepts and techniques to apply to one's life, transcending dogmatic and orthodox views. Integrative Approach to Wisdom: Leo advises studying a variety of spiritual and philosophical texts to triangulate on wisdom and truth. He emphasizes the value of ancient scriptures while cautioning against becoming overly attached to any single tradition to avoid spiritual traps and broaden one's understanding of truth. Undervaluing Religion's Wisdom: Leo criticizes the materialist view that dismisses religion as outdated superstition. He highlights the importance of recognizing the valuable role religion has played in human societies across history and seeks to uncover the deeper truths contained within spiritual traditions. Expecto Patronum
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Skepticism & Nonduality https://www.actualized.org/insights/skepticism-and-nonduality Skepticism in identity: Skeptics often pride themselves on their identity, seeking hard facts and avoiding superstitions. However, they may not realize that true skepticism involves questioning all aspects of reality, including the foundations of science and rationality, not just what is considered woo-woo or supernatural. Conflating spirituality with religion: Skeptics tend to dismiss spirituality along with religion due to their association with delusion and nonsense. This conflation leads to a misunderstanding of spirituality and non-duality, which are about deep inquiry rather than belief systems. Actualizing skepticism: True spirituality is the fruition of skepticism taken to its logical end, resulting in radical and comprehensive questioning. It implies doubting not only overt beliefs but the subtleties of our worldviews and assumed rationality. Relativity of reason: Reason is shown to be relative and culturally dependent, with the notion of rationality varying across time and cultures. Skeptics often overlook this and assume rationality is an objective yardstick for truth, which is a mistaken belief that self-identified skeptics rarely question. Systematic deconstruction: Leo emphasizes the importance of deconstructing all beliefs, questioning our reliance on physical reality, the workings of our brains, and even skepticism itself. This process is not just psychological but extends to the very nature of reality, challenging physical existence and the certainty of our perceptions. Consequences of radical skepticism: Total skepticism challenges the very nature of reality, suggesting that through such deep questioning, one could even dismantle physical reality itself. This level of skepticism is not just a curious intellectual exercise, but a life-threatening pursuit, as it can make one question the existence of everything, including the self. Transition to spirituality: When skepticism is pushed to its absolute limits, it paradoxically becomes a spiritual endeavor. By questioning the line between reality and fantasy to the utmost degree, the skeptic might experience a collapse of physical reality, leading to a profound encounter with the absolute truth or the divine, which is revealed to be the infinite. The ego's deception: The mind or ego adopts skepticism as a guise to prevent true inquiry. This self-deception is evident when skeptics hold onto the identity as a defense mechanism against enlightenment. The ego co-opts skepticism to ensure survival based on constructs, not the ultimate truth. Skepticism's historical roots and misunderstanding: Skepticism as a philosophy dates back to ancient Greece, specifically to Pyrrho of Elis. Although skepticism is intended to doubt everything, Western philosophy and society have often failed to embrace its full radical potential, holding on to constructive biases instead. Western philosophy's deviation from radical skepticism: Western philosophy, following the era of Pyrrho and Sextus Empiricus, shifted away from complete skepticism to constructing new philosophical systems, thus deviating from the pursuit of absolute truth. Constructive bias in science and society: Science's inherent bias towards constructing explanations and society's focus on survival over truth-seeking promote a constructive rather than deconstructive approach, influencing the investigation of reality and often overshadowing the pursuit of ultimate truth. Self-interest as a barrier to enlightenment: Many avoid the extremities of skepticism and the deconstructive path to enlightenment due to a fundamental selfishness and fear of losing one's life as it is known, despite having access to all the necessary information and teachings. The undoubtable nature of enlightenment: Enlightenment transcends thought, perception, and experience; it can't be doubted because it's the absence of all knowledge rather than an addition to it, and represents absolute truth after the destruction of all beliefs and constructs. The ego's role in skepticism: The ego, likened to the devil, uses skepticism selectively to distort reality and avoid truly questioning existence. It cherry-picks evidence to suit survival rather than truth and uses skepticism as a self-deception mechanism to prevent the realization of fundamental truths. Leap of faith in absolute skepticism: True skepticism requires a leap of faith, a willingness to question and potentially dismantle everything one knows and loves, ultimately leading to profound realizations about the nature of existence and the reasons behind all of existence. Confringo
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Breakingthewall replied to Cosmic-Resplendence's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Nonduality means that everything is the same substance, but that substance is divided infinitely. It is still one but it is many.