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Awakened people know what they are talking about. At least relative to Awakening. Of course they can be wrong on other matters.

Check out Awakened Masculine podcast by Jasper Brown. It used to be called Conscious Masculine but he changed it because too much of his audience were female lol, but a lot of his episodes still seem to be targeted towards men. I think he even hosts men's retreats in Australia. Honestly, something you might notice when you listen is that his personality, teaching style, language, even the way he films his videos, are all quite similar to what Leo does. I secretly suspect Leo has been his key influencer.

I think there's a great degree of humility with @Leo Gura. He's got money, but still chooses to live in a modest home, from what I heard him say somewhere. He has a modest, simple wardrobe. Also, he seems fairly introverted, like most spiritually awakened people, understandably, because think about it, it is incredibly difficult to find like-minded people, especially who have that degree of awareness, "wokeness" & spiritual understanding. It's difficult to find people to even have a conversation with about these deep topics. It can actually feel pretty lonely, I know this because I often struggle with this too. Many people in the real world aren't even "intellectuals". Or even interested in knowledge as a pursuit. They'd rather cut corners, and have others teach them knowledge, instead of learning for themselves. And most people are taught information which is often biased, or blatantly false, to which no one questions for themselves, they just blindly follow what they are told. Also, I think if he was really "arrogant" like some people claim, he would think he was "too good for us" and not even bother to take his time educating us or engaging with us on the forum. Most people with a certain degree of public knownness of fame do not engage with their fans or audience, so the fact that he does that, he doesn't have to, but he does, is a pretty good sign.

Would you ask the same question to Buddha, or Christ, or Ghandi, or any other enlightened spiritual leader who's purpose was to help awaken us all? Would you ask if they were "aliens"? Of course not. Because that's absurd. They were human beings, just like us, including Leo. They are just more deeply & profoundly awakened and enlightened than the average human.

Your questions were partly answered by my response above. Experience is everything you're aware of. Drugs provide you with an experience, shifting your state of mind. While high, you go through perceptual phenomena, subjective states and such, and you always inevitably come down. What remains is usually a story or memory of what you think happened while on the substance. Having to recall a past experience might already be pointing at the nature of this disparity. I don't know about you but I find that our ability to recollect is nothing short of unreliable and biased. Besides, it's a conceptual activity. If you believe that drugs increase consciousness, you're most likely referring to cognition. Notice how they're taken in the hope of getting enlightened - as a pill that will bring awakening to you - much like drinking coffee in order to experience the effects it has on you. You weren't awakened prior to taking them. This lack of prior contrast as to what is meant by "enlightened" is crucial here. Without it, the stage is set for mischief under those circumstances - which is what I did with my psychedelic experiences, and what many here seem to be up to.

A Summary of Awakening “Each of us is the only one there is. There’s no other!” (Katie and Mitchell 2017, chap. 1, 2) “So I read the Bible from beginning to end and really understood the original meaning, most of which has gone out of the Bible by reinterpretations again and again. And then I looked at the schools of metaphysics, theosophy, went through all of them so I'd have the language of communication. Then I realized after going through all that, simple English will do it.” (‭“Lester Levenson, Hale Dwoskin - Lester Levenson (Sedona Method) Magnum Opus PDF-Lester Levenson _ Sedona Method (2024).pdf”, 103) Lester Levenson, Byron Katie and the Pali Canon are the sources on awakening or enlightenment, the end of stress/suffering, etc. that I find most authoritative. By awakening I mean what Levenson describes in his biography, Lloyd 1983, _Choose Freedom: Have, Be, and Do Whatever You Will or Desire_, chapters 11, 12, 13 and 14. (Lloyd 1983, _Choose Freedom: Have, Be, and Do Whatever You Will or Desire_, https://archive.org/details/choose_freedom Laura Lucille, “About My Teacher”, https://lauralucille.org/blog-eng-featured/my-teacher-lester-levenson-laura-lucille “Also, when you wake up you’ll discover that you never ever were apart from your real Self, which is whole, perfect, complete, unlimited; that all these experiences were images in your mind just like in a night dream you imagine everything that’s going on. But while you’re in a night dream, it’s real to you. If someone is trying to kill you in a night dream, it’s real; you’re struggling for your life. But when you wake up from that dream, what do you say? “It was just a dream; it was my imagination.” This waking state is exactly as real as a night dream. We’re all dreaming we are physical bodies; we’re dreaming the whole thing. However, in order to reach this awakened state, it is first necessary to drop a major, part of your subconscious thinking.” (Levenson 1993, 317) _The Essential Lectures Of Alan Watts. Internet Archive,_ https://archive.org/details/02.theessentiallecturesofalanwattsego/05.+The+Essential+Lectures+of+Alan+Watts-+Cosmic+Drama.mp4. 6 min., 10 sec., Accessed 27 Nov. 2025. “However, in order to reach this awakened state, it is first necessary to” figuratively let go of or “drop a major, part of your subconscious thinking” using CBT, especially Byron Katie's The Work, but also, Brad Blanton _Radical Honesty_, David Burns's _Feeling Great_, David H. Barlow's _Treatments That Work_, Smith's _When I Say No, I Feel Guilty_, etc. “Once you see the truth, the thought lets go of _you_, not the other way around.” (Katie and Mitchell 2021, 152) “It’s the truth that sets you free.” (Katie and Mitchell 2007, chap. 40) “Before the thought, you weren’t suffering; with the thought, you’re suffering; when you recognize that the thought isn’t true, again there is no suffering.” (Katie and Mitchell 2021, 9) “When discussing the noble eightfold path, the Buddha focused most often on the fact that following it leads to the end of suffering. This point is so important in his teachings that he twice stated, “Both formerly & now, it’s only stress that I describe, and the cessation of stress” (SN 22:86; MN 22). Any question that interfered with this aim, he would put aside.” DeGraff, On the Path: An Anthology on the Noble Eightfold Path drawn from the Pāli Canon, OnThePath210213.pdf, 21. https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/OnThePath/Section0006.html “When your feelings are up and out, your mind is naturally quiet. And you're self-obvious to yourself as to the fact that you are whole, complete, perfect, eternal.” (‭“Lester Levenson, Hale Dwoskin - Lester Levenson (Sedona Method) Magnum Opus PDF-Lester Levenson _ Sedona Method (2024).pdf”, 394) “Self (God) is Infinite, Limitless; One, Indivisible; Perfect; Changeless, Immutable; Timeless, Without Beginning or End; Whole, The All; Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent.” (Lester 1962, 65) “The cosmic joke is, it's all a dream. Everything. All of it.”, https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm3o1tBB39T/. “A SUMMARY THE SELF-GOD-ABSOLUTE TRUTH” (Lester 1962, 65) “Cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT)”, https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/talking-therapies-medicine-treatments/talking-therapies-and-counselling/cognitive-behavioural-therapy-cbt/. https://www.mindprod.com/livinglove/livinglove.html “__THE WORLD AS A DREAM__” (Levenson 1993, 4) “Spiritual awakening – A spiritual awakening …” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystical_or_religious_experience#Related_terms https://global.oup.com/academic/content/series/t/treatments-that-work-ttw “All this took place beyond time. But when I put it into language, I have to backtrack and fill in.” (Katie and Mitchell 63, 2007) “It is incorrect to think that Nirvāṇa is the natural result of the extinction of craving. Nirvāṇa is not …” (Rahula 1978, 40) SEE ALSO (Carse 2005, _Perfect Brilliant Stillness_, 60)

Yes bypassing fear of death cucks your spiritual growth. Saying jesus of allah saves me is just pushing the thought away. Be afraid, be very afraid. The fear of death is intelligence. You will awaken by being scared. There is a story of sadhguru where he said he found another awakened person and he said he got there because he was sick and the doctors kept telling him he was going to die that day over and over again. So he kept being really scared and having to confront death daily. If you can just do this to yourself without having any other interaction or bad things happening you are highly intelligent. If you can sit there and induce panic with no stimuli you are being intelligent. I was doing it without knowing about anything. I would just be sitting there watching a movie and my entire system would enter panic mode and I would say Im dying omg. When you panic and feel like you are dying God is entering you. Dying is God. When you feel an emotion you are releasing it. Not doing it is keeping the fear inside. They are essentially paying money to bottle up fear. Then they create the idea of hell for the people to bottle up even more fear.

Check Chris Bale instagram account. Awakened Intent Podcast also have some good content.

Suppose you walk into a room with 2 boxes and a genie. 1 box has 1000 dollars no strings attached and the another is a mystery box. You can either choose both the boxes or only the mystery box. The genie is a master predicter. It has predicted the choice of people before you 99.99999 percent accuracy. If it predicts that you will take only the mystery box then the mystery box will have a million dollars. If it predicts you will pick both the boxes, mystery boxes will have 0 dollars. Are you picking the mystery box only or both the boxes? https://chatgpt.com/share/69af0231-cae8-800d-a3fe-751bbd9439e7 My tactic is to just shut up and take the mystery box to get a million dollars. But the question is much deeper than that. Could our intention in the present determine what we would possibly do in the past? What is the awakened view on this problem? If it was necessary to win 1001$, could we do it? I would love to hear you guy's perspective on this

I wanted to share a little bit of my story with you. By now, almost everyone knows who Andrew Tate is. I was one of the early followers, discovering him at the beginning of 2020 when his social media presence was still small. His YouTube channel had only around 20-30K subscribers at the time. Before I even understood the concept of consciousness, I was already interested in psychedelics. My first experience with LSD (a low dose) awakened a deep curiosity. This was before I found Tate and later, Leo. I was working at an insurance agency when a new, success-driven colleague joined. He was from Romania and had seen Tate on the news. He introduced me to him at a time when I was heavily experimenting with various substances. I was fascinated by how different drugs altered perception, but I had also become addicted to getting high. When I discovered Tate, it coincided with a point in my life where I needed change. I always considered myself open-minded, but in hindsight, I was also very naive. Looking back, I was the ideal customer for Tate. In November 2020, I decided to join The War Room when it had only 300-400 members. I knew it was a cult before even fully understanding what a cult was. Around the same time, I quit my daily weed use and stopped using other psychoactive substances. One of the first things I noticed after joining was the constant upselling. Access to various groups required purchasing additional courses. Even other members would pressure you to buy them, despite not personally benefiting from the sales. They sold me a dream, and I completely bought in. The “perfect” plan for success looked like this: 1. Go regularly to the gym or do some kind of combat sport to get a better mindset and body. 2. Start dating and meeting a lot of women. 3. Use your girlfriend(s) to make money or gain status. (e.g. putting a girlfriend on OnlyFans or webcam) About six months in, I started my own OnlyFans agency. I even tried convincing girls I dated to participate, though thankfully, none agreed. That doesn’t mean I wasn’t caught up in the mindset. Like everyone else in the network, I fully embraced the so-called “alpha” mentality. I didn’t view relationships in a healthy way, I saw women more as assets than as human beings. It wasn’t about love, it was about extracting value. Over the next 1-2 years, I built a reputation within the War Room, becoming one of its most successful OnlyFans agency owners, making high five-figure profits per month. I purchased all the courses, attended expensive events, and in total, paid around $50K to Tate. At the time, I didn’t care because I was making good money. I did start questioning some things, but being young and naive, I was easily convinced otherwise. Things shifted in summer 2022 when I visited my parents in Germany after a trip to Dubai. I proudly showed off my expensive purchases, completely oblivious to how I had changed. My mother started crying, telling me I had become arrogant. That was the first wake-up call. The second moment came when I met up with an old friend, the same one who had introduced me to psychedelics. I wanted to share my success, but he was uninterested. Instead, he asked me: “Who are you?” That question hit me hard. That same day, he invited me to take LSD again on another day. I had been sober from psychedelics for nearly two years, but I agreed. The trip changed my perspective, making me question everything. Later, his brother introduced me to 5-MeO-DMT, which was another profound experience. After that, his brother also showed me a vision board with a picture of Leo Gura. When I asked about him, the other brother called him “one of the most intelligent people in the world.” At first, I dismissed it, assuming he meant IQ, but I later realized he was referring to a different kind of intelligence. At first, I didn’t dive into Leo’s content because it was too long, and I was too focused on making money. But at the comedown of another LSD trip, I decided to watch my first video: “Reading A Poetic Description Of God-Consciousness” It blew my mind. From that moment, I knew I would explore more of his teachings. The more time passed and the more I changed, the clearer it became to me that I would have no future in the War Room. I started seeing that we weren’t just manipulating women, we were being manipulated too. The deeper I analyzed the leaders and members, the clearer things became. When Leo released his video on Tate, it confirmed what I was already thinking. Still, it took me a while to leave. I had a fear of missing out. But over a year ago, during a magic mushroom trip, I finally decided to leave. I left every War Room group and shut down my OnlyFans agency months later. There’s a lot more I could say, but I’ll leave it at that. If anyone has questions, feel free to ask in this thread. Aside from psychedelics, I know that watching Leo’s videos and engaging with this forum helped me too. Thank you to everyone who contributes or has contributed to this forum.

That's a big mistake. If that's your motivation, you'll convince yourself you're enlightened after consuming spiritual content, neo-advaita, god realization, anything, and you'll go through life proclaiming yourself "awakened," being the typical sad spiritual enlightened unbearable. Be careful.

Yes, I agree that it’s God’s creation and that it is divine and intelligent, doing its experiences and play, and it is as it is. But I think that survival itself requires us to forget that we are not really separated and that we are all God. Survival requires us to forget about the absolute truth in order to sustain the illusion of separation. This is not to deny that there are relative truths within survival and less and more awakened parts of God.

I'd say Truth is an experience. A gift. A deeply personal experience/gift that cannot be shared or given to another (if you want to play that game and acknowledge other), least of all through verbal communication. I can describe that experience and label it (I prefer gnosis to awakened or enlightened) but the words will never encapsulate the experience in a way that does it any kind of justice - especially to the uninitiated - that much is true. But yeah, I hear ya, when you've been gifted that very specific revelation you can get tired of being told you don't really know what you know that you know. Like the Oracle said to Neo, its like being in love. No one can tell you you're in love, you just know it.

To add to this, life passes by in a flash. It feels like just yesterday when I was in middle school and high school, and I turn 24 this year. There are many people who die unexpectedly in their 20s and 30s. Tomorrow isn't guaranteed for anyone. This realization would lead me to have several debilitating existential crisis throughout my life, despite being young. I guess I realized this fact at a visceral level when people like Juice WRLD, XXXTentacion, some schoolmates of mine, and my grandparents died throughout my teenage years. Eventually though, I would find that the one who fears annihilation does not even exist, it is an imaginary identity constructed by Universal Mind (Your true self). I mean, for me, my fear of annihilation was always a collection of thoughts, feelings, sensations, etc. Rupert Spira's videos on this actually helped me cope with this fear a lot, pre awakening. Then when I finally awakened, all my fears got recontextualized, and not only did I know this conceptually, but I knew this directly from experience at a super deep level. The ego is a literal hallucination of infinite consciousness. All my deep existential fears led me to this beautiful awakening, and for that I am glad. It's all Love in eternity.

By thinking about this you expand your conciousness. Its a big part and why I awakened to myself as outside the universe. To fear total annihilation of the self and expand it out to infinity is the key. The way you are talking is Akin to a 12 year old being scared of dying and then saying yea its a long time away tho so it dosent matter. Thats not the point. You are brushing it off the same way as normies brush off death until existential crisis happens at 50 as a warning that time is running out to think about this. Then they buy a motorcycle instead out of fear of thinking about this. Then they hit 70 and have another existential crisis and turn to God as a cop out instead of focusing on this. While fearing death i thought of everything. Well if I reincarnate I can keep going, yea but what about after that? What about after that? Then after that? I would have panic attacks non stop thinking about this stuff. To ignore the fact that annihilation is around every corner and push it off as its a long ways away is wasting your intelligence. Being 80 to a 12 year old is an incomprehensible amount of time but the intelligent ones will take it very seriously that annihilation is coming! You should treat it as if its happening right now. Thinking about this and taking it seriously isn't a waste a time. Its the most intelligent thing you can be doing with your mind and imagination. A plate can't do this. An animal can't do this. Only a human can do this. And only you can do it. If you pay attention to the orgin stories of every guru it all started with an intense unrelenting fear of annihilation that they could not brush off as, it'll happen, but its so far away. You are only here a short period of time take it seriously focus on the unknown.

Yes, I understand, it's a joke that only a few selected people understand, the awakened. But look, it is just a mental structure. "Recognized", even it's by nothing, it's comparison. "Nothing" is comparing illusion with real. And "nothing" realizes that the self was an Illusion . Just knowledge, mind.

Once you are in the matrix, you have to live within the means of its constructs, even though you may not accept them as an ultimate reality. You are inherently confined, even if awakened. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Well, it makes sense what you are saying. But it also makes one question why anyone ever preached ultimate liberation while still in a human body. Were they self-deceived and it is a fantasy? Maybe, maybe not. Suffering is crucial, I agree. But it is only a device. It makes one learn and self-correct. But I would say it is more like an airplane. You go into an airplane to go somewhere else, you don't stay there, staying there was never the point. It is a means, not an end. Whether it can be transcended completely or not I dont know, but it makes sense on why one would pursue that all things considered. Actually no, I somewhat disagree with the framing of " Truth is the Highest Value". I think the ultimate question of a seeker is not that of God or Truth. It is that of Death. That's the closest and the most certain thing you have. Why would you care about God if all there is, is just living and dying at the end and theres nothing more??? It's stupid to inquiry about God if you yourself dont know if theres anything that will persist at the end, if Death is really the end why care about God? If you just live, fuck, eat, achieve something or whatever and then die and its the end and nothing persists, why bother at all?? Might as well die right now, because its all pointless if there is not something that cannot be destroyed at the end. Anything in life is ultimately unsatisfactory, because things dont last, nothing last, all momentary, bound by time. Buddha was inquiring if theres anything that actually fulfills. Something beyond time and that cannot be destroyed, even if Death comes. And Caring about Truth is also problematic. Because it is a concept you have picked up from culture, specifically from philosophy. Caring about truth runs the risk of intellectualizing, getting lost in mind and thus never trascending. That`s why so few philosophers were actually awakened, lost in concepts, thinking that you will figure out if just think some more. Death is way more existential than God and Truth from a human perspective. It`s viceral, certain, the ONLY certainty in fact, beyond concepts. Spirituality is a inquiry about Death. You could say "But Death is Truth" yeah, you might say that now, but not when you didnt know.

That's retarded and backway. A surfer who never falls vs a rock climber who falls off the highest mountain in the world. What is more impressive? What immense dialed-in-ness do you need to never fall? A peak-chaser who is not stuck in liberation is drowning 99.999% of their life in deception of ignorance, and the peak is only but a faint memory that never brings justice to the experience. While the liberated is the experience always and forever. Liberation is in its own league of radical. To get your finite existence nuked and replaced by a puppet show where you channel the ultimate will of God, it's unfathomable even for people who have allegedly awakened.

The beauty of nonduality is that it's available to anyone who does the work, whether they raise their consciousness a lot or not. I hate it but most people won't be able to raise their baseline by more than a few percentage points, even if they're highly disciplined with practices. But I still think a few percentage points is amazing and worth pursuing. Psychedelics can give us a glimpse of what genetic lottery winners like Ramana Maharshi are able to experience on a daily basis. Most awakened people are not Ramana's, by the way, not even close. That's why they live relatively normal lives and get involved in scandals. Peter Ralston might be approaching but not at Ramana level, a random blogger I found named Amara* might be too, I can't think of very many others. ****** I haven't gone through any of her training btw, this isn't an ad. Also she seems to have taken down the blogs where she went in depth on her state of consciousness and siddhis. *https://amarastrand.com/about/

Yes, that is true. But, it could also be the case the Yogi is saying something true regardless of genetics -- that substances, however powerful does not bring ultimate liberation and could be only a glimpse. Either way not saying its the case, but its worth considering since he is fully imersed in spiritual work 24/7 while we are westerners who apparently cant even sit cross-legged. Well, not to fight you or anything but maybe it could also be said that, if one's understanding does not bring liberation, bliss, or ending suffering, then one's understanding might not be complete, it might not be ultimate and in fact incomplete. One might actually be asleep and not totally awakened. If those things were truly separate(I don't think they are) I would choose liberation over understanding any day of the week. You understand reality, and then what?? More games? Won't you get bored of it? Thinking about it now its kinda funny one could get understanding but not bliss, ending of suffering and stuff like that, like what?? A total thing is a total thing, these things must be understood otherwise is just higher forms of games. Gods and superior undestanding migh be sweet sweet dreams, but a dream nonetheless. Like the case of devas and hindu deities. They supposedly live in higher realities, but they are still bound to suffering, and karma, still forms dancing around.

Why get botox after you say im done playing a character? Its like a yogi getting Botox. Unless a medical event happened. But his nose looks like the nostrils are smaller and the tip is pointier. Looks more than botox to me you would need nose surgery. Dosent seem like something an awakened person would do.

You are correct. As long as I am human, I will never be in full God Consciousness. The most Awakened being can never be fully God while they are human. Full God is Death. So I wouldn’t say I’m bypassing. I’m acknowledging my human biases, as well as Ultimate Existence. I’m just saying that from the perspective of God, there is no ugly. To the Devil (which is me), there is. Just because I am conscious of God right now doesn’t mean I inhabit that state 24/7. I would claim that no human can. Anyone that says they are in full God Consciousness 24/7 is kidding themselves. Ask them how conscious they are of God when they are sick, dying of cancer, watching genocide or scrolling on social media.

One thing I notice in Leo’s communication that could be improved is his tendency to overgeneralize science and assume the worst in scientists. For instance, Leo critiques science as if science is just a stagnate methodology that isn’t improving itself. Science is constantly improving and the domain of science is so vast that it is difficult to criticize the whole thing. Newton looking through a telescope and testing his observations is science. Science doesn’t have to be done in a group or within the domain of academia. Me sitting in my armchair contemplating and testing my observations and insights is as much science as academia. Academia science may be more rigorous than an Ethnography or philosophical contemplation but it’s still science. Leo tends to assume scientists are lazy, biased, atheistic, and dogmatic. This may be true of a lot of academic scientists. But it’s still a big generalization full of assumptions about a group of people. There is never any mention of a Tier 2 scientists. I am sure there are more great scientists out there than Leo may acknowledge. Leo assumes scientists don’t account for relativism or don’t take philosophy seriously, but I don’t think this is true. I bet there are a lot of scientists that think deeply about philosophy. I understand Leo’s critiques and have seen the dogma myself but have also seen the opposite. I just notice this bias to reduce science down or assume the worst. But there are probably great truth-seeking awakened scientists in the world today. Why couldn’t an awakened person be a scientist? What even counts as a scientist? A true capital S Scientist is one who cares relentlessly about Truth. So in a way, all of Leo’s critiques of science are of small s science and not capital S Science. Edit: How is me taking psychedelics and noting/testing my observations and insights any different from Newton looking through a telescope and noting/testing his observations/insights? They are both science. I still enjoyed the episode. Much love. 🙏

Crazy solipsism awakening Yesterday I was on MDMA with a little bit of 2C-B, and then I did ketamine in the middle of the trip. A bit into the ketamine trip, I had probably the deepest awakening I’ve ever had in my life, and it lasted about 30-60 minutes. It felt like every awakening I’ve ever had previously was contained inside a bubble, or a dream, and then I pierced right out of that bubble and went beyond it, awakening out of all of my previous awakenings. I mentioned I had a deep solipsism awakening on 2C-B previously, but it was more intense than deep. It was more affirming very intensely that “I am the only one here” but not necessarily that deeply conscious of solipsism. This time, I reached a whole new depth of solipsism to the point where it became lonely and a bit unsettling, which hasn’t happened before. I truly realized that I am the only one here. No matter how real or convincing someone seems to be, how much it seems like they are a real person with their own life, it doesn’t make a difference, because they are still contained inside my mind, and as a result, they are me. All people on this forum, all people in the world who talk about awakening and supposedly become awakened themselves, they all exist inside my own mind, they are something I myself am imagining. Their existence is something I am doing to myself, something I’m tricking myself into. In reality, there is no other. It is only me. The entire universe is me. There is no one and nothing outside of me. It made me want to apologize to people for treating them as real people, for not seeing the truth of what they are. Not in a negative “you’re not real” kind of way, but just because I was so blind to seeing the truth of what they are that it feels like I didn’t even see them or pay attention to them. It feels weird to be out of that awakening now, and to be here typing this, because after what I became conscious of, I feel like an idiot believing that I am talking to real people, who exist separate from me. The entirety of existence is only me, it’s about me awakening to myself, and that’s it. There is no other.