Absolute Truth Contradiction (?)

[Xonas Pitfall]

Question:
There are some puzzling contradictions I find . . . related to the idea of absolute truth and certain claims Leo has made.

If someone becomes more “purified” or ”cleansed” through realizing absolute truth, they are supposedly supposed naturally want to let go of negative desires, such as lying, predatory behaviour, psychopathic tendencies, etc.

However, also according to Leo’s blog posts, a person would not gain miracles or special powers because wanting miracles or higher enlightenment would be selfish. In other words, wanting God to give you powers would still be ego.

How does this follow?

In the same way they accept the truth that they cannot perform miracles or be a "higher form of a healer", couldn’t they also accept darker truths about themselves and continue being such free of conscience instead of automatically becoming morally purified? If enlightenment does not give you access to some aspects of God’s power, then why would enlightenment give you access to any kind of purification or separation from your desires (especially for people who are born with antisocial predispositions, psychopathic traits, pedophilic attractions, or extremely strong lust, etc)? In both cases, you are still acting as a human and accepting that you are human, and that this is your current truth.

If someone claims that enlightenment makes you more aligned with God, meaning you develop a desire to be more like God, then why would that only apply to qualities such as being more truthful, pure, honest, or loving?

Shouldn’t it also be reasonable to desire other god-like abilities, such as having powers to heal, bending reality in evermore magical ways, or creating things? Leo himself has said that this is one of the aspects of God: it does not need any “behind-the-scenes” atoms, physics, or rules. According to him, God can simply spawn things directly into existence in a single moment, without any underlying mechanism or separation between hallucination and reality.

Why would the second type of desire be considered silly, wrong, or unrealistic, while the first type is treated as valid or expected?

[Ziran]

10 hours ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

Question:
There are some puzzling contradictions I find . . . related to the idea of absolute truth and certain claims Leo has made.

Ok.  Let's go through them one at a time and try to work through it together.

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If someone becomes more “purified” or ”cleansed” through realizing absolute truth, they are supposedly supposed naturally want to let go of negative desires, such as lying, predatory behaviour, psychopathic tendencies, etc.

However, also according to Leo’s blog posts, a person would not gain miracles or special powers because wanting miracles or higher enlightenment would be selfish. In other words, wanting God to give you powers would still be ego.

How does this follow?

It's "Splendor".  It's a type of infinity.

Imagine you're attending a banquet.  There's treats and candies and biscuits and hot drinks and cold drinks some fizzy some not.  Anything anyone could possibly desire is here and everything is ... just right.  The plates are shimmering with fancy silver.  Gold utensils are perched below long fluted glasses. 

Arriving to your seat, everything is planned specifically for you.  Your attention hops from this to that from this to that.  Hop, hop, Hop, hop.  And with each hop, the eye is pleased.  "Yes!"  With surprise!  And a gasp!  "Oh look there!  And this too?!"

That's Splendor.

Another common visualization attempts to bring the aspirant into the treasure vault instead of the banquet hall.  But the underlying mechanism is the same.  The aim is on "connecting".  ... and-this-and-that-and-this-and-that-and-this-and ... From this comes a realization of brilliant-sublime-order among miriads.

Within divine splendor every"thing" , literally, is where it should be, doing what it's supposed to be doing. "Negative desires, such as lying, predatory behaviour, psychopathic tendencies, etc" are completely out of context.  Does that make sense?  For what reason is the predator chasing its prey?  Within Splendor, the predator becomes satiated, because all is in its place already.  No pursuing.

In the same way, reaching beyond one's capabilities is completely out of context once there is a realization of this sort of divine order and connection. 

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In the same way they accept the truth that they cannot perform miracles or be a "higher form of a healer", couldn’t they also accept darker truths about themselves and continue being such free of conscience instead of automatically becoming morally purified?

Can vs. Should

They can accept darker truths, but should they?

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If enlightenment does not give you access to some aspects of God’s power, then why would enlightenment give you access to any kind of purification or separation from your desires (especially for people who are born with antisocial predispositions, psychopathic traits, pedophilic attractions, or extremely strong lust, etc)? In both cases, you are still acting as a human and accepting that you are human, and that this is your current truth.

Enlightenment does give access to some aspects of "God" power.

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If someone claims that enlightenment makes you more aligned with God, meaning you develop a desire to be more like God, then why would that only apply to qualities such as being more truthful, pure, honest, or loving?

It doesn't only apply to those qualities. 

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Shouldn’t it also be reasonable to desire other god-like abilities, such as having powers to heal, bending reality in evermore magical ways, or creating things?

If everything is as it should be, there's no desire to change anything.

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Leo himself has said that this is one of the aspects of God: it does not need any “behind-the-scenes” atoms, physics, or rules. According to him, God can simply spawn things directly into existence in a single moment, without any underlying mechanism or separation between hallucination and reality.

Yes.  Something-From-Nothing

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Why would the second type of desire be considered silly, wrong, or unrealistic, while the first type is treated as valid or expected?

Not wrong.  Out of context.  Like looking for motor-oil in a bakery.

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Is any of this helpful?  

Edited 7 hours ago by Ziran

[vibv]

@Xonas Pitfall All that is based on the idea you could achieve a lasting state of happiness in some kind of future, especially by acquiring material goods, fame, sex, etc. will naturally fall away once you realize what you are.

All powers are also a huge burden. If you want them out of egoic desire you're not ready to have them anyway and they would do more harm than good for you.

[Sincerity]

10 hours ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

If someone claims that enlightenment makes you more aligned with God, meaning you develop a desire to be more like God, then why would that only apply to qualities such as being more truthful, pure, honest, or loving?

Shouldn’t it also be reasonable to desire other god-like abilities, such as having powers to heal, bending reality in evermore magical ways, or creating things?

Wanting to be more like God and act in a ever-more loving way is not an ability per se. It's more like a shift in your being.

You assume "god-like abilities" like "powers to heal" or "bending reality". These aren't God's "abilities". As you yourself said, God doesn't need any "behind the scenes", and abilities would be processes which would be these "behind the scenes".

You should question the validity of concepts like "powers to heal" or "bending reality". You don't really know whether there's any truth to them. Might be, might not be. Don't assume, this isn't obvious.

Rising in consciousness doesn't necessarily grant any "powers". You just expand your awareness of what already is.

[theleelajoker]

Drop the assumption that Leo knows WTF he's talking about. 

Drop the assumption that anyone knows.

Your case suddenly gets a lot easier, doesn't it?

Re content, I agree: IMO it should lead to fully embracing yourself with all there is and not purifying something that isn't right.

If enlightenment does not give you access to some aspects of God’s power, then why would enlightenment give you access to any kind of purification or separation from your desires (especially for people who are born with antisocial predispositions, psychopathic traits, pedophilic attractions., or extremely strong lust, etc)? In both cases, you are still acting as a human and accepting that you are human, and that this is your current truth