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@Serotoninluv Have you practiced the second serve? I used that when the first one doesn't work. It's usually more safe and is easier to recieve lol
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@Thought Art As probably one of the biggest people pleasers on earth back a couple of years ago, that was one of the first books i read from Leo's recommendations. I found it very confusing when i read it the first time but after a while i've started to understand more and more of the lessons. It really is a great book and I especially ressonated with the grass analogy: You want to be like the grass and follow the wind, and not like a tree that breaks when it gets tough ( or something like that).
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@Preety_India I think that's where stage turqouise come in. A stage turqouise person regognize some of the unhealthy aspects of stage green and transcends that. So maybe you have some turqouise values in you? Based on what I've read from you I get the sense that you actually have a lot of turqouise qualities, and I view you as more developed than many people I would consider green. That's just my view though and I don't know you personally so I couldn't tell for sure.
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I think it specifically has to do with your ability to understand biases and specifically how your mind can make you believe things that are totally unlikely based on how you find, choose, and analyze information. So if you are aware of these traits in yourself, then you have the tools to distinguish how you perceive stuff and you're less likely to fall into some of the bias traps.
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Amsterdam has now started to implement a new frame work. "The doughnut model" throws the free market/ supply and demand theory out of the window and instead focuses on how we can make sure most people live within reasonable standards while at the same time not exceeding the limits of the planet. Interesting stuff, definetely worth a read.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/08/amsterdam-doughnut-model-mend-post-coronavirus-economy
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@The observer I truly believe that most people share your concern, and in fact that's why some people are critical of having too high restrictions. It could actually be that all the things most countries do, turn out to have a greater cost than what the benefits are worth. Economists ( in their attempt to quantify things) have tried to analyse everything and put a price tag on all the restrictions and find out how much they can cost society. When doing this, they haven't just looked at reduction in GDP, unemployment rates and other economic consequences, but also all social and health issues that can potentially come from the lockdown itself.
For example kids who are vulnerable and have abusive parents can suffer greatly in these times, and people who are lonely, have mental illnesses etc., and don't have access to psychologist will also have a hard time. The fact that the economy suffers and could suffer for years to come is just one of these costs and that of course can turn out to have tremendous effects on society in the long run. In my country they've actually estimated that the net benefit of high restrictions is significantly lower than looser restriction ( like opening psychologists, kinder gartens and schools and so on) when you compare potential long term effects. These are of course highly uncertain prediction which really is the key lesson: we simply don't know what's best. At least in certain countries.
Also, in sweden they are actually adviced to take the same precautions as other countries, it's just not forced in the same way with strict rules and punishment for breaking them.
However, the point here is not to try to prove you wrong. To be fair, I actually think it's good that most people stay inside and don't go out unless they absolutely need to. And myself I would gladly follow the restrictions even if my country didn't enforce them. But this is a very complex situation and it's too early to say what's right and what's wrong. As of right now, everyone is just doing their best and taking whatever decisions they think is best based on their perspective and understanding of the situation.
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5 hours ago, The observer said:its already 9% death rate and increasing. on the other hand australia is probably one of the best countries to handle the disease their death rate is 56 deaths out of over 6200 cases so that's 0.9% which is 10 times better than sweden. sweden government is just being careless and irresponsible
but lets put the occurrence rates aside and only divide the number of deaths by the population. in australia we have 56 deaths out of over 25 million people so thats ~0.2 deaths out of each 100k people. in sweden we have over 870 deaths out of over 10 million people so thats ~9 deaths out of each 100k people. in simpler numbers for every million people in australia only 2-3 people will die from covid-19 while in sweden for every million people about 90 have died already and a lot more people will keep dying as long as the government is acting carelessly. comparing 2 deaths to 90 deaths thats like 40 to 50 times more deaths and people are still in denial. but the numbers dont lie and the government in sweden is literally killing their people.
so @DrewNows lets not use the false positives argument again and @TrynaBeTurquoise lets not use the false negatives argument again cuz australia has done way more tests than sweden.
Dude, your'e projecting so much it's insane. You're accusing people of spreading disinformation and then you say in the next sentence that the swedish goverment is just being careless and that they're literally killing their people. Like really? Do you think they just don't care and that they're killing they're people. What kills the people is THE VIRUS. Common man!
Instead of having this mindset why not ask the question "what could be the positive reasons why they would have loose restrictions?" Because that's more likely the reason why they chose they're strategy, not that they don't care about the people.
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@Hansu @Dwarniel Interesting thoughts. I feel like most norwegians are in a place where they're able to see the bigger picture in terms of what is needed to be done when the stakes are high. So, for example when there is a crisis like the corona virus we're experiencing right now, people are really able to step up and take responsibility and obey the rules for the greater cause. When it comes to politics we're able to vote on the parties that will make the best system for everyone. So, often in these cases, when we see that there's need for collective responsibility we usually take that responsibility and do what is best for the system as a whole. I guess this mentality is also reflected in the "dugnad" tradition where we once in while meet and do something that needs to be done with the help of everyone that is involved or affected.
However, in the day to day life I really struggle to see the same mentality, and I'm wondering if the green spirit, when it happens, is coming from a place of obligation rather then motivation. BUT, as a road to a stage green society I think it's a good start that the system in and of itself is green. I'm really curious to see if this crisis pushes us more to the green if it turns out the welfare system collapses and can't take care of the people in the same way anymore. Will people then be able to take the right actions in this high stake situation?
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@Tobia I feel for you, brother. You seem like a genuine and nice guy and the fact that you help you're friends in need is nothing short of admirable. I don't think you should feel bad for the fact that you have it better than most of your peers, it's just the way it is and for now you are just doing what you can, being a good citizen and obeying the rules.
For Italy as a whole, It seems like your actions are working and that the curve has started to flatten, so maybe it's just a matter of time before the goverment will start lightening the restrictions.
Best of luck to all of you and take care!
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A lot of talk has been going on regarding how the traditional way of viewing economics has run it's course and that it's time to find new frame works that presents new solutions. I've done some research into different economic sub fields where some of them are:
- Behavioral economics
- Austrian economics
- Ecological economics
- Institutional economics
- Feminist economics
All these fields bring interesting perspectives and could possibly change the way we view economics. However, the problem I find is that they're not comprehensive enough and lacks the holistic and practical solutions. So, the question is if there are anything to get from these and if we actually need to change our perspectives on this.
What do you guys think? Any perspectives on what our future economic system and frame work could look like?
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As a student, it has changed a lot for me too. The school are closed and the exams will be held digitally. I've managed to keep my part time job though, which is good because I own an appartment and need a side income in addition to the student loan to manage the dept. However, I feel extremely uncertain about the future. I'm graduating as an economist in about a year and to be honest, I'm really not sure what is waiting on the other side. It seems like we need the whole economic system to change, and I'm not sure if econometrics are going to solve the problems of the future. However, I read a book about how spiral dynamics can be applied in forming businesses and economic system which really inspired me.
I would like to start my own business and create my own product, but I'm not sure what, and because I'm so invested in the studies it feels like I have to finish that before doing anything else.
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@Parththakkar12 a stage yellow system will recognize the most competent in the group as a leader. That's one of the main differences between yellow and orange. Whereas orange chose the most charismatic/alpha guy as a leader, stage yellow will choose the guy/gal who is most competent in the specific tasks. That could change from task to task, which also mean that the leader changes. But you don't see much of that in todays society
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I think this in an exception to the rule. Most people would never give away their salary like that, even in the red party.
It's kinda interesting because when you look at the norwegian system as a whole it looks very green from the outside, and it's tempting to believe that norwegians in general are at stage green. This I believe is far from the case. Actually what many norwegians value more than anything is independence, which is a very orange value. We are actually the people who value independence more than any other country in the world.
So what you basically have is a green system that is supposed to take care of everyone through welfare solutions like free hospital care and education, that contains within itself many independent individuals which are probably more at stage orange than anything else. Actually the system is created SO that people can be independent.
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The fact that it's only universally acceptable to eat candy on saturdays. Who invented that?
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@Serotoninluv I couldn't find the original article, but I found an article that suggests that according to "several reports" 1 out of 7 that is hospitalized has gotten som sort of bacterial infection and 50% of people who have died had such infection. I leave the link here:
https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/23/antibiotic-resistance-hidden-threat-lurking-behind-covid-19/
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@Serotoninluv I believe I read some place that a huge number of cases where people have died, it actually happened because of an bacterial infection which followed the virus. But I'm really not sure about the reliability of the source, so don't take mye word for it. I guess that things like population density and age distribution are more important factors anyway.
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@Keyhole Another important factor is also probably resistence to antibiotics. When testing for spesific multiresistent bacterias in different tests, they found that countries with high mortality like Spain and Italy also had high levels of multiresistent bacterias, while countries like Denmark and Norway with significantly lower mortality rates barely had any of these bacterias in their tests.
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4 hours ago, tim12345 said:Excuse my late response but it took a while for the admin to initiate me to this forum.
@Leo Gura 's statistic came straight from the CDC data. The CDC has professional who have devoted their lives to studying infectious disease. Here is the report which was the current hard data at the time it was cited - March 23 - I would expect periodic updates:
Here were the hard facts and numbers as of March 23 for young people:
CDC reports for our age group (20-44 years old). As of now - 20% (that's 1 in 5) of 20-44 Y.O.s will need hospitalization and 12% will be in the ICU fighting for their life. The report has all age groups if you want to check yours.
Saying "What I've heard is..." and disregarding the CDC hard numbers would be disseminating misinformation similar to online bot accounts.
It's also very disappointing to browse through this forum that should be about embodying the clime of spiral dynamics and see such stage red ideas. The "it's not as bad as the media says" Trumpian stage red rhetoric is designed to control and conquest the conduits of information. It's purpose is to undermined hard working journalists that may have information that clashes with his popularity. He wants the power to only promote one or two sources of information to bend the information to his ego. The news media is not perfect but fighting his war against the media is counter productive.
No one should freak out about the virus but we should also not give in to our ego's desire to downplay this deadly disease. I think of Leo's videos when he talks about the "middle path." This would be a great example.
I don't know what numbers you're refering to. From what I can read it says that age 20-44 will have hospitalization between 14.3-20,8% which probably means an expectation of around 17%, not 20% as you say.
Furthermore it says that ICU for the same group is not 12% but 2-4,2%. Dr. John Cambell often use 12% ICU in his analysis when considering the average of ALL age groups.
Finally the case fatality for age 20-44 is reported to be 0,1-0,2%.
So I'm not sure what numbers you're reading from to be honest.
It also reports the "case fertality rate" which probably will be significantly lower than what we're actually trying to estimate, which is the "infection fertality rate" because of a huge amount of cases that will not even be reported. So based on that you could probably expect the numbers to be even lower.
However, this doesn't change your last sentence. We must still take it seriously because there are definitely some young people that will die. And even though it's just 1% or maybe 0,1% you can still die from it even though you're totally healthy and without other health issues.
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I see your point @Preety_India
From the pov of being what i consider a quite "feminine" man, I would actually make the same mistake of giving wrong advice. I would say to basically every girl "be nice and show that you are a trustworthy, empathic person". However, when I'm thinking about it, I actually tend to be attracted to different behaviors from different kind of women.
I would find that an average looking girl not nescessarily would be better of just being "nice", but actually show some confidence that would make me wonder if there's something else behind what i can see.
A really beautiful girl i think i tend to like if she's nice, empathic and have behaviors that make me more comfortable.
Thanks for making me conscious about that, I'll take this with me into the future.
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Considering the fact that life consist of nothing but different perspectives and that we are all here to learn and expand our consciousness I always try to put myself in other peoples shoes. In this regard it would be to put myself in women's shoes. So for me it's more interesting to try to put myself in women's shoes, then men's shoes, because i already know men's perspective pretty well being a man myself.
However, when it comes to society at large I feel like what people generally get fed is women's perspective. So for men who would actually listen and take that to consideration it would be pretty easy to get a better understanding of their reality ( or their experience of it). On the other hand this would probably not be the case as much when it comes to womens general understanding of men's perspective, as this is something that is not so much discussed in public. Which leads me to believe that what society needs is to maybe turn the focus a bit more over to the male perspective, considering how men experience the world and their struggles.
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I study financial economics, now at my 4th year of 5. I've found that finance on a macro level can be very interesting and fulfilling as it forces you to include a lot of different variables such as peoples psychology, infrastructure, different cultures in addition to neoclassical economic theory. In that sense, you could say that the better you understand the world, the better financial decisions will you make, which in turn will improve the world. Finance on a macro level is also about taking resources and putting it where it can make the best use, so if you share that ultimate vision and gets inspired by that, I feel like that would qualify as a pretty conscious vision.
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Thanks for the responses guys. I don't judge anyone or anything in this situation, I must emphasize that once again. I also understand that there has been a lot going on behind the scenes and as I said, if I got to choose I would probably want for them to separate anyway. The problem ( or should I say challenge) for me lies in how to deal with the situation on a practical level. There's no feelings or thoughts that point me in any direction, I'm just totally lost. For example how should I deal with the fact that my dad now has a new girlfriend? Should I get to know her or just live my life separately from their "little bubble"? I don't have any hard feelings towards my dad ( I'm a bit disappointed but i feel like that more because of the whole situation and that reality basically has changed a lot lately, which my ego don't like I guess) and it's definitely in my best interest to forgive him, but does that make it right to actually forgive him? Also my mother says she takes it ok, but my gut feeling says otherwise. How would you deal with that?
There's no real answer to all these questions i get that, but I feel like it would bring a lot of value to the table to hear how you would deal with this situation if you were in my shoes. Anyway, aqain, thanks for the responses, i really appreciate it.
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@ajasatya That can definitely be confirmed. My mother has told me a lot of what's been going on "behind the scenes". But yeah, I was surprised when she told me of course.
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@Eph75 Well, maybe I should specify, I don't hate him. Right now I feel nothing but emptiness.
But thanks for the other suggestions. If I were to talk to him in the nearest future it would have to be through phone, and I think I would feel much more comfortable doing it face-to-face. I could of course travel home to do that. but i don't know. I'm just very confused about the whole situation and how to practically deal with it. It's only been four days since this whole bomb just exploded right in our face, so maybe I just need more time and the situation will solve itself naturally idk. Howevere, I understand that everything has happened for some reason ( which i yet don't understand but should try to understand) so I don't find any reason to judge or hate, I would never do that.
When that's said I think your'e definitely right about putting him on a pedestal. Even though I started to see him more as a human when i grew up and not this great authority who always knew what's best I still had unreasonably high expectations from him.
I will talk to a friend, I will do that.
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@Parththakkar12 Awesome man! Your putting a lot of effort into this and it really brings a lot of value to the table. Great job! I'm actually sharing your vision to a certain degree and I'm very curious about how stage yellow organisations and leadership would look like. I suspect the following: