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  1. Posted

    @Carl-Richard

    2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

    "They have tried everything". Sounds like bullshit.

     

       I could be wrong but after rereading this whole thread, if the OP was trolling this is by far top 10 in this forum easy. The op has successfully baited several users here, has somehow made them derail this thread into non-duality Neo Advaita stuff when really it's a practical issue between patient/therapist relations, psychiatrist miscommunicating at that end, and a complicated case of patient having BPD, depression and suicidation. Instead we have witnessed multiple derailings and side quests but little plot progression about this main topic itself.

  3. Posted

    @zurew @Bobby_2021  I'm curious but do you both have some past history here??? Both your posts have some chemistry going on.

    On 2024-04-24 at 0:40 PM, zurew said:

    So is your position, then that you are completely agnostic (you give 50-50) about whether committing suicide will eliviate ones suffering or not?

     

    On 2024-04-24 at 1:37 PM, Bobby_2021 said:

    I don't give 50-50. Maybe it could be 80-20. I don't know.

    Which is why I say that AS is not the solution. 

    You are free to prove me otherwise.

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    I don't intend to convince anyone out of this since it's out of my power.

    If you are loser and you die, you are dieing a loser. When you are living, you still have lots of time to win. Dieing is giving up on that power especially at a young age. 

    I don't give a fuck if you are 60+ and wants AS. 

     

  4. Posted

    @Scholar

    11 minutes ago, Scholar said:

    One thing that needs to be understood is that, much like with pedophelia, if you suffer from suicide it is profoundly difficult to talk to anyone about it. It is truly taboo and this means that it is so much more difficult to help people with it.

     

    People wish they could just throw the therapists at all the mentally ill people and viola, no more suicide. But there is a far deeper problem going on here that we are completely ignorant of because of this taboo, because nobody is really allowed to actually talk about it, not in an honest way.

    Therapists won't solve this issue because it is systemic. You can try to hire more police officers, but if your society is corrupt to the core, you will not prevent criminality. You can try to catch as many child predators as you want, they will keep coming if the underlying problem here is not resolved.

    Stigmatization of these issues makes it impossible for us to resolve them. This is essential to understand. Our discomfort, immaturity and inability to engage with these with an open mind is what is allowing for the child abuse, for the suicide, and for all the other ills, to continue.

     

    Really, suicide in most cases is a failure of our collective responsibility. And people talking about it openly are a reminder, sometimes a very personal one, of that failure. But us making this a taboo won't suddenly make people any less hopeless.

       Bro, stop right there. We're not talking about pedophilia for the past 7 pages. This woman was apparently suffering from some chronic depression, has BPD, and the psychiatrist miscommunicated which IMO warrants ethic board review and maybe legal lawsuit by her family or so. We're so not talking about her also having pedophilia or the psychiatrist having pedophilia, come on man!! It's tough trying to bring this back from Neo Advaita maze, now you want to derail into prepubescent attraction issues and maybe LGBTQ stuff? I completely denounce this derailing, it's just so bad! Bring it back to the OP's main topic please, come on.

  5. Posted

    @Bobby_2021

    On 2024-04-23 at 4:12 AM, Bobby_2021 said:

    I would actually allow her to die. But she should starve herself to death.

    Hopefully a week of starvation will bring her back to her senses.

    The problem is that these people have lives that are too easy, without even having emotions under control. She should had no real struggles growing up and was all over the place. 

    She is in the freaking Netherlands. How bad could it be?

       What's even weirder is that not only is it in the neverlands but their ancestors were like Vikings, you know? The warring types of of cultures that traveled and did their seasonal raids and pillaging, and where a pretty strong willed minded and bodied peoples and generally ruthless rounded. Like it's so interesting how despite that type of stage red/blue society history we're having increasing cases of Nordic people suffering from combinations of mental health issues, mental disorders and sometimes physical deficiencies and defects nowadays. Makes you wonder...what really went wrong then and now???

  6. Posted

    @Basman

    On 2024-04-21 at 9:27 AM, Basman said:

    https://www.thefp.com/p/im-28-and-im-scheduled-to-die

    Terminal illness is one thing but this just seems like state mandated giving up. She is physically healthy and young. Thoughts?

       After many phases of thread derailing, from suicides to Neo Advaita versus other spiritual non-duality topics, to other topics related to euthanasia, let's bring it back to this OP's original post. SO! IMO, my thought is that this Psychiatrist, not state mandate just this psychiatrist and the local where she visits, has let her down tremendously! IDK why it's not an ethical issue of how this psychiatrist handled the ending of their session like that, just pessimistic nihilistic ending, without at least giving a hopeful statement to seek other kinds of help and not just robotically ending like there's NOTHING WE CAN DO FOR YOU LOLZ! So blatantly irresponsible communication that the ethics board and even Mr. Girl would have a field day grilling this guy and getting his license revoked!

       Also there's just not enough information to make out here. Like if it's true she has tried EVERYTHING which can include the following:

    Tried psychiatrist.

    Tried therapy modals like CBT, R.E.B.T, Gestalt Therapy and so on.

    Tried psychoanalysis.

    Tried counseling.

    Tried help centers that specialize for autism and other specific mental health disorders she has.

    Tried other mainstream medicines, maybe stronger pain killers.

    Tried Alternative medicine and holisms like Chinese medicine, Yoga, Ayurveda medicine et cetera.

    Tried body and breath work, energy work, magical methods.

    Tried psychedelic assisted therapy.

    Tried Marijuana or other psychedelics with healing properties.

    Tried changing and experimenting on diet.

       And hundreds more! If she literally tried those hundreds of methods, and she was in daily suffering/pain, and it's chronic on a weekly/daily basis, and she tried all of them, then technically there's nothing anyone nor herself can do going forwards other than continue living. Least likely IMO, very likely she hasn't tried all of that I listed, only some and so much more left she could've explored. which pisses me off about these pessimistic psychiatrists because if she was just motivated enough the right way she would've discovered a helpful method, maybe for example Marijuana and psychedelic assisted therapy or something there, if only this psyche guy communicated the right way! Of course we gotta chill a bit because frankly some get away with far more horrific events than miscommunication, but IMO this miscommunication may have costed her life, which is just tragic...

       And last time I checked this sub forum's about society and politics! So WTF are we derailing into Neo Advaita spirit BS when we're dealing with  real serious practical issue we can argue about?! Like how do we move forwards with spiritual circles when the real issue is how this psychiatrist handled this patient, how we're not discussing or debating patient/therapy relationships, or bringing up the ethics board standards? Come on guys we got another sub forum for spirit stuff, we gotta keep on topic.

  8. Posted

    @zurew

    8 hours ago, zurew said:

    I mean a system that can differentiate between different types of cognitions. 

    For example here is Michael Levin's model:

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       Nice looking modal and good visuals. Main issue with this hyper alien mind is literally @Leo Gura and maybe very few people are literal pioneers, and when someone's a pioneer there's only so much knowledge base and conceptions to go off of. It's actually pretty dangerous work as there's just so little to base precautions or protections, you just are literally like an explorer on some alien planet, literally that dangerous and exciting.

       Another big issue with alien mind is we're still mostly extremely selfish to just collectively go hyper mind. 100% willing to bet if you got telekinesis, you'll use that selfishly. Horny teen with telepathy and telekinesis is just a recipe for chaos.

  9. Posted

    @Buck Edwards

    2 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

    Or Elon Musk owns it.. :D:D

       STOP! Elon's got Twitter-sorry X- don't give him anymore ideas. I want him to actually refocus and make some cool stuff in Tesla or SpaceX and not to clown so much in X. Elon's gonna be a legit addict to Tik Tok if he takes it over, and then when that happens we'll legit have a strong argument to ban Tik Tok then.

  10. Posted

    @Leo Gura

    37 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    I'm conflicted on this ban. It's a mixed bag.

    TikTok is trashy, but now all that traffic or business is gonna go to some US tech monopoly.

       Which is why I'm offering not just a ban, but heavier regulation of Tik Tok. Tik Tok isn't doing itself any favors by not trying to increase more knowledge or educational clips to try and not make it mostly trashy BS click baits.

       Oh and before I forget @Juan's framing is a false dilemma here, as I've demonstrated a market or something isn't limited to should/shouldn't ban, but there's also regulation levels to consider as well or other alternatives.

  12. Posted

    @thenondualtankie

    11 minutes ago, thenondualtankie said:

    I think we will need to come up with ways of regulating the addictive properties of social media. Which can involve banning ultra-stimulating shit like TikTok.

    The problem is of course that this hurts creators and businesses, so maybe we could enforce 'anti-addictive' features in apps like these, which we'd have to be creative about.

    Unfortunately the current ban discussion has nothing to do with this, it's just geopolitical warfare.

       I agree it's geopolitical warfare and soft invasion into young western minds by China.

       It may well be a bit disruptive for those creators and businesses heavily relying on marketing via Tik Tok, but that's their risk of investing into such a dangerous app in the first place. Also, Vines before Tik Tok did well but Facebook didn't capitalize enough that Vines ended shortly, but ByteDance with CCP help and funding with Tik Tok is now like vines but more money to creators and more addictive. They are devils.

       I also agree, either heavily sanction or outright ban Tik Tok to send a strong message to CCP that this type of soft invasion ain't tolerable!

  13. Posted · Edited by Danioover9000

    @Juan

    17 minutes ago, Juan said:

    This is not a reasonable nor strong argument.

    This could apply to any other social like youtube and instagram, so idk why TikTok bother you more compared to the others. 
     

    There is nothing wrong to have different versions. Even using Uber for example when I visit the US the app options change and all. TikTok is very regulated tho compared to how it started, you won’t find porn and other adult content, you can’t even hashtag 420. So I think your argument is not that reasonable when you have other socials doing the same if not worst like Twitter and Reddit. 

       Because it applies especially to Tik Tok! YouTube and Instagram for example still have time markers, while Tik Tok clips don't, which manipulates perception of time for the users. YouTube and Instagram do not contain much addictive imaging and audio stimuli, meanwhile Tik Tok has massive amounts of addictive stimuli and scroll time. YouTube and Instagram do not contain that much sexy stuff and shady sexy things shown, meanwhile 1/3 of Tik Tok did contain shady sexy stuff. YouTube and Instagram never had to make a S.T.E.M only section and has recently applied filters and sections intended to be more family friendly, meanwhile CCP China had to heavily regulate their Tik Tok and give ByteDance the unregulated stuff to sell abroad western audiences. Even YouTube felt the need to copy their formula a bit to introduce shorts, which is mostly garbage level content even @Leo Gura has moral qualms about for his content!

     

     

     

  14. Posted

       A fascinating watch, and if you could check it out on Joe's podcast. This is a great example of bias, ego and preference at play, how the ego coopts arguments and logic to defend it's own intuitions and emotions, how powerful worldviews and environments are, and why study and contemplation of Spiral Dynamics stages of development, cognitive and moral development, personality types/traits, 9 stages of ego developments, Architypes, and many other developmental psychology modals, and being aware of our metanarratives, ideological beliefs indoctrinated by cultural/societal programming, information ecology leveraged by big tech and big companies, mainstream bias manufacturing consent in majority of population.

       Even in the tonality and body language of this Dibbi guy, the one with the Indian Johns looks, see how emotional, dismissive, and defensive he really is. Observe and pick that up, along with his refusal to look at Graham Hancook on occasions, mostly blocking gestures with his left hand on left headphone piece. Look at how emotionally defensive he is, both non-verbally and tonally he's insecure and passive aggressive, hear that inflex at some of his defensive statements. Already betrays how deeply biased he is, in fact this guy's has just stated outright how passionate he is, how much he takes and follows on his father's footsteps, it a narrative in his mind that anchors and tethers his ego's existence here. Already shows how biased he is and the confirmation and cognitive biases at play in his metaprogramming in his mind!

       Which not to say that Graham Hancook is right in his theory. I do think both are being a bit biased here, and considering the canceling and censoring attempts by mainstream science it's understandable to see him also a bit emotionally charged, yet I found his performance here in some of the debate moments as measured and calm when the other Indiana Johns guy was a bit defensive. 

  15. Posted

    @Juan

    2 hours ago, Juan said:

    Personally I don’t want to, I grow a lot as an artist there. What are you guys thoughts about it? 

       My thoughts are Tik Tok SHOULD BE HEAVILY REGULATED. If not, BANNED! Too many children on iphone tablets experiencing brain rot from these predatory social media sites, especially Tik Tok. It's that bad that the CCP of China had to make 2 versions of Tik Tok, one mostly about S.T.E.M topics, and the other unregulated one is given to ByteDance for western audiences. How people are still unaware of this ideological and information warfare, of how China's long term goal of destroying western minds for future generations and is now slowly catching up is abysmal leadership by the west.

  20. Posted

    @Davino

    On 2024-04-20 at 6:46 PM, Davino said:

    I have been fascinated and obsessed about Hyper-Mind since reading Leo's blog post.

    A different mode of cognition, how does that look like?

    So I decided to start from scratch, what I discovered is that the gap between being and understanding is cognition. Therefore: What is limiting my cognition to understand what is?

    I could see that mostly my mind works in the auditive space using language, here I identified the first bottleneck .

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    Following this analysis, I started contemplating all sensory inputs as workable for an advanced Mind. Such a Mind would understand by visual thoughts, running engines inside itself, drawing, creating but also condensing in high abstractions symbolically. This Mind could use not only sound and light, but also taste, smell, touch and feeling to cognise. Like a soup of sensations it would map and cognise reality.

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    To understand, it would run its own simulations and play intelligently and on the fly with what is happening, like a virtuoso jazz musician. Having the capability to do, is not the same as doing, nor it means cognizing before the simulation or right experiment is performed.

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    To make this more concrete I started searching for examples. Maybe I'm losing my Mind with Leo here or is there something to this? While reading the post again and again, I was reminded of Nikola Tesla. For example, he never constructed a prototype in his entire life. He designed all his engines visually in his mind space, for weeks, months and even years, he ran simulations in his mind and saw the misbalances and errors of its design, therefore making adjustments if he knew how to do so. When his invention worked perfectly in his Mind, he then constructed the finished product, which always ended up working as he had envisioned. This was his work style for his whole life.

    By this point, it becomes clear that linguistic thought is not the only way Mind can structure itself, great musicians are able to run symphonies in their minds, more vividly than even in real life. Mozart said he could hear entire compositions in his mind before writing them down. From a very young age, he had the capability to think exclusively in notes and sounds, in the same way you were able to think verbally. Beethoven, after being deaf, was able to keep composing by what he explained as "imagining the sounds and vibrations in my mind".

    In the field of math, Euler was able to operate in numbers and think fully inside the mathematical world without any word contamination. Not only he solved and understood math consciously and linearly, but was able to snap solutions out of his mind directly from pure intuition, just by seeing an equation. Fascinating, isn't it? Srinivasa Ramanujan described cognizing mathematical equations as living entities with distinct personalities and properties. In the beginning, he independently self-educated himself about maths , he arrived to the same well-known mathematical conclusions travelling through different paths than those walked historically by other mathematicians. His novel contributions were therefore developed in his own intuitive system and mathematical instincts, which then were formally proved by his peers.

    Another example came in my contemplation, Escher, with his unique way of cognizing in a self-contained system or cohesive self-referencing universe. His artistic tessellations of intricate shapes fitting together are a testimony of this concept. His art is filled with strange loops and paradoxes all fitting nicely one inside each other. The beauty, complexity and intellectual depth of his work are breathtaking.

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    Taking all these examples, let's run our own simulations to see how a Hyper-Mind would be:

    Hyper-Mind is the evolution from Awake-Metaphysics to Cognition-Epistemology, from Eternal-Being emerges Understanding-Mind.

    Hyper-Mind is able to run simulations using all of consciousness phenomena, it is comfortable in infinity, paradox, recursiveness, multidimensionality, counter-intuitiveness, systems, complexity and fractals. From 0 or infinity; it starts scratching distinctions to run its simulation and see what happens. It imagines things into existence and becomes directly conscious of its interactions and complex emerging behaviors.

    Hyper-Mind is a universe-generator on its own, a self-designing Mind that reconfigures itself and self-adjusts accordingly to its own conscious sovereignty. It is Reality understanding Reality, a mechanism by which God explores God. There is absolute infinity to explore. Dreaming world-simulations into existence for it's own sake and understanding.

    Hyper-Mind is Sentient Alive and Conscious

     

     

       Well IMO this hyper mind is just a hyped mind, yes pretty different but there's little practical value of a hyper mind. Realistically nobody here or in a group is going to have alien minds in our lifetime, maybe neural link but nothing that is mass psychedelic, which is fine and good because I don't want to get into a car accident just because I suddenly have alien mind.

  21. Posted

    @Jodistrict

    20 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

    Mearsheimer is being misquoted.  He never gave a doomsday narrative.   Referring to the global situation with all the conflicts, he said things are going to get worse.   I think that is accurate unless the West gets better leadership.  

       It's not that John Mearsheimer is being misquoted, it's that we're seeing a pattern and implying from it that it's this doomer mentality and apocalypse story. I technically agree here that Mearsheimer is also inferring just like us, and is commenting that things will get worse.

  22. Posted

    @lina

    1 minute ago, lina said:

    @Danioover9000Sure. I meant there is no point in sharing a LonerBox tweet regarding the meaning of the ICJ ruling because we're already past the point of arguing whether it's genocide or not. There is already a clear evidence; esp with the recent mass graves discovery. At this point a legal definition from a 3 month old hearing is actually useless. 

       Okay, let's say you're right, we're all past arguing if or that is genocide, and Carthage really wasn't wiped out by Rome, fine. Okay, how do we move forwards from this though? First of all, if you say protesting is gonna do it, it's least likely. Netanyahu and cabinet still gonna move forwards with this war even with an unhappiness level of 10 points or below. Believe me, I've played enough Civilization games, mainly Civ 5 and UniCiv, that it's possible to send armies out even with an unhappy population. Also, considering the geopolitical and geographical nature of this conflict, sorry but Israel functions as a beach head onto middle eastern growing powers from which western powers can exert some influence, so they aren't going to not stop being relevant one way or another.

  23. Posted

    @lina

    3 minutes ago, lina said:

    @zurew  who cares about definitions? We've reached a stage in which mass graves are being discovered and still some of you insist to argue. 

    Both-Sidism no longer holds, it's past 6 months already. 

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/04/gaza-discovery-of-mass-graves-highlights-urgent-need-to-grant-access-to-independent-human-rights-investigators/

     

       Definitions are important in discussions and arguing/debating because definitions establish common ground between arguers, establishes valid reasoning, establishes an exchange of ideas even though sometimes it can get heated. Without definitions enforced or even implied then language itself and communications break down. Might as well redefine Nazis as chocolate bars to sell in rave parties.

  24. Posted · Edited by Danioover9000

    @Hardkill

    11 hours ago, Hardkill said:

    He says that he essentially has nothing positive to say about the future of our whole world, because how much trouble all of the most powerful countries are in, including America.

       OF COURSE! It's predictable that John Mearsheimer, proclaimed realist pessimist would sya there's no future and do this doomer and apocalypse narrative. I do think he gets some points right, but for this specifically he's a bit inaccurate.

       For example, we're and he are so worried about nuclear warfare, yet wolves of Chernobyl are doing fine, and the general wildlife and even plant flora are for some reason fine and have recovered from that nuclear disaster. Yes in terms of evidence and proof to counter how deadly nuclear fallouts and outcomes are is limited, I mean we only have the pacific war and the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, numbers of nuclear tests, and a few nuclear plant failures, and yes I only have Chernobyl as one example, but so far wildlife there were speculated to not be able to recover and exist yet wildlife has adapted to radiation levels. Obviously there are zones and too close to nuclear reactor is a bit dangerous, but farther away it seems the wildlife and plants are resilient and have adapted. 

  25. Posted

    @Jayson G

    11 hours ago, Jayson G said:

    @Leo Gura I dont know about the escalation of these wars, or other doomsday stuff, but I do think nuclear war is a very serious concern. If you watch this, she's pretty credible, a journalist focused on documenting the truth, spoken to a lot of credible people around the world and stuff .. after I listened to this, Im sure that nuclear was is like very serious 

    she also has a nice voice

     

       Just because she's credible, a journalist, and is in Lex Fridman's podcast that it persuaded you into thinking that nuclear wars is a serious threat? Really? Maybe for the current ecosystem, humans and information age we live in I'd mostly agree, but for mother earth? An existential threat for future lifeforms? for other planets? Meh.