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4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:I will be demonized for it anyway.
I have already bent over backwards for you guys and mostly what I get is demonized for doing so. There is no incentive for deep truthful teachings.
I hope that during these trying times you're still able to see and appreciate how much most of your followers appreciate you and how much value you've added to their lives through your pioneering efforts. It must be tough when you give and give and get so much criticism. I bet the mind easily focuses in on it too. I thought your live stream awakening videos were the coolest thing I'd seen on YouTube. Your authenticity deeply moved me. I'm sure you're no stranger to sycophancy too from time to time, but let me add my voice to that throng and say...Love you Leo. I know you want your work to have a profound impact on society and culture, that's your dream, and it's upsetting to think that it might be corrupted. But from my perspective, and based on conversations I've had, you're already smashing it buddy. Look what they did to Christ. He knew they wanted to string his ass up but that dude just wouldn't quit. He kept on breaking bread, chilling with hookers and dishing out the wine.
Maybe this is helpful, maybe it isn't, but I wanted to communicate it, seeing as as it pains me to hear you sounding so disillusioned
After watching all of your videos on psychedelics, doing my own investigating (like you advised) and heeding all of your warnings I began taking them occasionally for spiritual work and they've shifted my whole paradigm in a positive sense. Your advice on these substances is very down to earth and if anyone gets into a pickle then they've either rushed into it or didn't stay tuned for the part where you told them they may end up experiencing some very challenging times. In a world of disinformation on the subject, your content is a frigging Godsend
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On 23/10/2020 at 3:48 PM, Mason Riggle said:This is useful to realize that there is no 'description' of a thing that is the same as 'the thing', so when you are making sense of some description of reality, you can understand that no description of reality will perfectly represent 'reality', because the 'description' becomes part of the reality it's trying to describe.
@Mason Riggle Thanks for that. What my mind keeps saying is, isn't the description of the thing reality too, if the description is what's occurring? In that moment all that exists is 'the description of a thing.' The thing itself is just an abstract idea, which only exists as the idea about it. When the thing was experienced, whatever that happened to be, let's say, a car speeding past - that was real. Any further attempts to describe it, are only describing themselves, or describing the nature of that experience, as it occurs, in the now. I'm not sure of any this of course. Just thinking out loud
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On 23/10/2020 at 3:01 PM, ajai said:@Wisebaxter Even I am left perplexed whenever this phrase is used somewhere,
What I don't get is if it's gonna take 20 years to understand it throughout what tf it means and stands for, why'd somebody use it at the first place, ?
Anyway, although it's unintelligible wht I comprehend from it is- maps are designed by a cartographer, and thus he/she/it might not know the exact boundaries or the actual geographical parameters while designing or drawing the map due to inaccurate survey or whatever of the actual place/territory, the cartographer could just be wrong about one single point that don't match the exact territory, but the map is wrong if it's wrong hence it's not the territory per se, now relatively this can be used anywhere to infer similar meaning, ?
@ajai Yeah it's definitely a rabbit hole you can get lost down. I'm wondering, if the cartographer was wrong, would that experience of being wrong, the actual experience in the moment, still be his particular territory, if reality is just whatever your perspective is. Just like in quantum mechanics where there has to an observer for stuff to happen (summed up the entire field there
). I suppose that in that example his map is embedded in something that appears to be more 'true,' or 'real,' but personally I have no experience of anything other than perspective, and Leo has a whole episode called reality is nothing but perspective. Or I've also heard it said that the relative IS the absolute. I'm wondering if there are only relative truths then
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On 23/10/2020 at 8:31 AM, Hello from Russia said:Dude, just go to any park and buy the $1-2 map they usually offer. You'll get fucking lost with this map, I guarantee you, happens to me every time
@Hello from Russia This really got me thinking. Perhaps I meant that my map would be 'a' territory. Could it be that we all have territories that interact with other people's territories in a relative sense. So lots of people walking around with shit maps
And then would there be a super territory that comprises them all? I'm struggling to envision something outside of perspectives.
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On 23/10/2020 at 1:03 AM, Nahm said:Imagine an image of a map of your house on the wall, coming from a projector. The map would be of the house, and could be said to be in the house, but also wouldn’t be existing. Light would be existing, looking like a map...and not even. Then what if you create a drawing on that map?
@Nahm Would light only be existing, looking like a map, if it was observed that way, as it only exists in our perspective? If I had an experience of the light looking like a house, could we say that's an absolute truth as it's what I experienced? Otherwise wouldn't we have to admit there's something existing outside of a perspective? The house is a concept, but if a concept is what's experienced, is there anything else? This is something I'm puzzled by
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On 23/10/2020 at 8:34 AM, Rilles said:When we say the map is not territory we mean the mind is not the direct experience.
@Rilles If I'm having a direct experience of mind, would you say that's just as real as any other direct experience? After all there are only states. Being lost in a certain 'state' of mind etc. So if I focus on a candle, I'm having a direct experience of that, whereas if I then close my eyes and imagine a candle I'm having another direct experience. Should there be a bias towards the first one in terms of how real or true it is? I'm thinking out loud here. This question really interests me
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@Leo Gura Ah I see. So it's kind of paradoxical. I always forget to account for this.
So both sides of the coin have to be understood. Basically they're both one and the same, and also completely different. All truths have to be present for reality to be infinite etc..
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If reality is nothing but perspectives, why would the map not also be the territory? Isn't the map a part of the territory? If I say I believe something, isn't the fact that I believe it a kind of relative truth that's being experienced? In other words, the fact that I experienced a belief that I hold to be true, was a true event that hapenned, within reality. The experience was a relative truth, and that's part of the whole right? Reality is playing at creating maps, surely. That's a truth. To put it another way, why would my map not be an intrinsic part of the territory.
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I felt obliged to post about this on here as I've been using these things called concept maps and they're so friggin awesome. For those who haven't heard of them they're like mind maps but you define the relationship between each of the items on there - and they're more focused around concepts. Leo talks about concepts a lot and how much they dominate our experience, so having them in front of you on a screen and seeing how it's all related helps you to navigate through the maze a lot easier as it's not just a jumbled mess in your head. It aids your thinking process too as you're able to make the connections a lot faster in your mind. You'll soon notice how it's all infinite too as you can draw distinctions forever of course. The maps start to take on really intricate, beautiful shapes too, like God wants to create beauty and order out of it all. For example check out my 'Theory of Everything' Map. This is more a Map of where I want to be rather than where I currently am. Note that each concept can be set up to contain it's own Map.
This software is completely free as well: https://cmap.ihmc.us/
And as if this wan't all cool enough, you can collaborate with other 'cmappers' on their cloud. So you can share a folder and both edit the same Map. As a strategic tool it's incredible. If anyone ever fancies working on one with me, for shits and gigs, pm me and I'll give you my email so you can add me on the cloud.
Having a mental image is so powerful. You can practice making certain areas of the map stand out in your memory by staring at them for longer. For example, I stare at the Love section of my Map to imprint it and also feel the emotions there.
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Whatever your experience happens to be in relation to this question, in the present moment, is the only truth there is. There's nothing outside of that. This is how the zero-point fractal works, constantly birthing an infinite amount of relative truths along with every other form, or state, that could be.
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On 07/07/2020 at 3:43 PM, Forestluv said:@Wisebaxter I was riding a moped in Hawaii, worrying about something back home. Then I suddenly got distracted by the beauty around me. I was like “I’m riding a moped around Hawaii! This is so cool!”. I realized I forgot what I was worrying about. It must have been important, since I was worrying about it. Yet I couldn’t remember what it was. So I figured I might as well just enjoy my time riding the moped.
Wow I love this. So basically what we have here is an empirical experience that showed you your suffering was predicated upon memory and entirely thought based and conceptual. That's so powerful. I mean, you can have an idea in your head that this is the case, but you had an actual experience. Reminds me of the time I had this insight that if you're able to let something go from your mind, it can't be real, hence the fact that it comes.... and goes....perhaps this forgetting practice is a sort of follow on from that.
I'm also reminded of something Peter Ralston says in the Book of not Knowing. He says something like 'do you know it to be true, without a shadow of a doubt? If not, it has to be a concept/idea and therefore it's not real, so let it go. I think he calls the exercise 'empying the cup'
On 07/07/2020 at 3:29 PM, Nahm said:Yep. The power of forgetting can create worlds. I can feel you from here my man. ? Feels good. ??
@Nahm Ah this hit me right in the heart-space Nahm. Always nice to hear from you
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On 05/07/2020 at 9:39 PM, kag101 said:Interesting.
One that I like to use that is very powerful is:
"It's okay to ........."
For example, it's okay to be lazy, it's okay to be selfish, it's okay to be an asshole, etc.
The moment I accept a nasty thing, it begins to fix it on its own.
@kag101 Oh I feel you on this one buddy, and I love that quote. I was a bit concerned about negating my shadow aspects, so I'm experimenting with different language. The practice you're referring to seems more geared at accepting emotions that arise whereas this one covers that and also any concept you can think of, so a lot of stuff that appears to be external. So you wouldn't really say 'it's ok to 'cars,' if you get me. As I'm not just concerned with internal emotions perhaps it's safer to use the term 'forget,' but I'm still figuring it out. All I know is, forget feels so final and quick fire. You can reel off so much stuff using that word. Anything longer can seem a bit clunky. Thanks for sharing your thoughts dude
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On 02/07/2020 at 6:51 PM, Iiris said:No problem
I don’t talk about it much to them. They both know I meditate and do stuff like that, but I don’t think they know how deep I’m into this stuff. Never mentioned Leo, my mom would think he’s a crazy cult leader
My mother is a materialist. My father is probably not. He’s a very philosophical and esoteric guy. I used to talk about God and reality and enlightenment with him even before I found Leo’s content. Though he doesn’t understand the emotional and love part of this at all. It’s fun to philosophize with him sometimes. I rarely do it nowadays though
Also my father’s mother was deeply into New Age kinda stuff. When I was alone with her she randomly started talking about chakras and angels and humanity’s rise into the 4th dimension and stuff like that
@Iiris Proof that a materialist and a new ager can hit it off then! I have this idea in my head that I have to find a really spiritual woman and I'm sure it's limiting me big time, especially as most spiritual people still have massive Ego's anyway most of the time.
I'm glad you grew up with both sides of the spectrum represented. That must mean you can relate to people from both camps a bit better. Thanks for sharing by the way
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@Johnny5 Haha amazing dude, forget about it! It really does feel good. Today I've been using 'fuck' instead of 'forget,' as I'm needing to drive it home a little more. Still feels pretty damn good. Fuck personal hygiene, felt good.
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1 hour ago, JosephKnecht said:For-Get.
For —used to indicate the place someone or something is going to or toward.
Get — succeed in attaining, achieving, or experiencing; obtain.
Without the for, you can't get. Without the get, you don't know what for.
@Wisebaxter Wow that's almost like a zen koan. I've read it through a few times and it's very layered. It seems like forget does have a certain power to it. I was just worried about neglecting aspects of my shadow or making them feel unloved if I used it. I've heard it said that they need to be returned to the light with love.
Also, when you just use forget as opposed to something longer you can reel off lists a lot faster. The word forget feels pleasing too somehow
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2 hours ago, Waken said:I once had a similar thing. I would write a word, like 'enlightenment', 'my life', 'I am human', etc. and then I would scratch the word. It felt the idea or the charge around it got a little erased when doing that.
@Waken Yeah I felt the same thing last night. It also made me become aware of the sheer amount of concepts that have been weaved throughout my life.
I'll try the crossing out too and see how that feels
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Ok, so basically you start listing things in your life, concepts really, that dominate your experience, and saying 'forget so and so...'
So an example for me would be:
Forget enlightenment. Forget awareness. Forget spirituality. Forget Leo. Forget Rupert Spira. Forget frustration. Forget regret. Forget eating. Forget wanting. Forget love. Forget God. Forget mum. Forget my brother. Forget family.
It feels like you're purging concepts out of your system. It helps if you're feeling a bit frustrated with it all. It's almost like an act of letting go and seeing what you're left with, similar to Neti Neti meditation. Eventually you'll be labelling things that are coming into your mind. Like, forget obligation. I drifted off to sleep doing this and had a really profound dream about enlightenment. So you're reprogramming the subconscious mind too. Give it a go. I wanted to share as I found it really interesting and cathartic. I may choose a word that's a bit kinder than 'forget.' At the time I was fed up. I might be kinder to myself and say 'thank you' to those things instead, for making an appearance. Thank and you and farewell. Who knows. Forget works well though.
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7 hours ago, fridjonk said:@Wisebaxter Thanks for dropping by!
I'd say it really depends on what state of consciousness you're at right now, and if you've had awakenings with psychedelics or not. I started to notice a big leap in my meditations when I'd been doing Kriya daily for about 2 weeks. If you stick with the practice and do it properly for a month, I'm sure you'll start to notice immense effects take place. What I noticed most is how the energy system of your body starts to flow around more, up your spine, and through the chakras. This is essentially like a spiritual workout. I get faster results from doing it over traditional mediation, although I tend to blend them both. And it's not easy by any means, doing it daily is a challenge if you're new to it but well worth it. Check out Ryan Kurczak on youtube for some guidance.
Thanks a lot for all the great advice! I did it for a about a week and then lost the habit unfortunately. I'm not great at maintaining these things daily and I often worry I'm doing the wrong practice. This is a result of having collected so many since finding Leo and spirituality in general and not taking action on them. Now I'm left with a platter of practices and don't know where to start lol. I've done mediation on and off for years and always found that makes me feel more relaxed and mindful from day to day. In the Kriya book ok Leo's booklist it says you only need Kriya and doesn't reccommend things like mediation where you just aist and let your mind roam freely. This threw me a bit. I take it you don't agree with this then? You think it's worthwhile to do Kriya and meditation?
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On 03/02/2020 at 2:38 AM, fridjonk said:I meditated for 40 minutes tonight; wishing it could've been more near 60. I expect tomorrow to be switching from my "Do nothing" meditation, and picking up Kriya Yoga again; as i find it to be better suited for me, to raise my consciousness
@fridjonk How long would you say you need to practice Kriya Yoga for to start noticing a difference? Also, what were the first changes you noticed? Hope you don't mind me asking. Love your journal by the way, really interesting.
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On 29/06/2020 at 10:02 AM, Iiris said:@Wisebaxter But it's game ish? You have a character there and everything and when you complete your habits it gets more health or something. Habitica - Gamify Your Life, comes up when I google it, it's the one I had once. I don't have android but I can get that one to ios
@Iiris Ah really sorry I got that one wrong, it's habithub, sorry to lead you on a wild goose chase there! But you don't have android and it's not available
(yet). Says coming soon. There are other apps like it though. But I was never disciplined enough to use them for that. I kind of adapt them to my own needs.
QuoteI was just thinking what kind of an absolute lunatic Leo would sound like to people in the materialist paradigm. Ranting for hours that you are love and god
I linked one of Leo's videos to a friend and he referred to him as a delusional egomanic. This of course made me think about the sheer power of projection and denial, as I've known this guy for ages and this description fits him perfectly. Hope I'm not projecting now though
Do you have materialists in your family, if you don't mind me asking. If so are you comfortable presenting them with this idea?
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@Iiris na that one isn't really a game, it's more a way of tracking daily habits. Basically you enter a description of the habit along with why you're doing it, then each day you check in and tick that day to record having done it. So you get like a streak, I'm sure you've come across that concept, where you get reward for completing consecutive days. Actually I use it just as a way to record and store info on habits and practices now, so I can scan down and choose which one I wanna dip into it. I have over a huhdred on there as I can't stop collecting them lol. Most of them come from Leo's stuff. Note egoic behaviours, or whatever.
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@LastThursday You're welcome buddy. I've now realised maybe you wanted a beat more than something melodic, but still, glad you liked
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20 hours ago, Zigzag Idiot said:@Wisebaxter Thanks, brother-friend! ? It's always good to hear from you!
I agree! People appreciate encouragement for the most part. Some Journalers that don't want any feedback will usually state so in their Journal. Those who are ambiguous about interactions will sometimes warm up to feedback if the approach is sincere and they don't feel like they're being criticized or talked down to. Maybe,,, 'skillful means' as Ken Wilber says,,,
Yes, It really can be,,
Good luck with your aims and new efforts,,,,,!
@Zigzag Idiot Oh I'm glad you gave me a heads up there as I was assuming nobody would mind others commenting. Well, I guess they'll soon let me know haha. Yeah I almost wanna make it a practice of mine to start doing it. Having met you on here and knowing we get on so well it makes me think I could make some more connections like that. I feel like we're a family on here you know. Like you guys are my tribe, as cliquey as that sounds lol

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I listened to this album whilst tripping and visiting the site of a Viking coastal invasion and I had something of a past-life regress. As I was lashed with wind and rain I became some desperate nord trying to find safety for his family at all costs. I had some incredible insights into the nature of survival whilst steeped so deeply in stage red/purple. Has anyone else had a regress on acid? I've had similar stuff before with native Americans. There are these deep primal urges coupled with intense emotion. I also had the insight that God revels in the beauty of it's own brutality, the brutality of survival, at all costs. In this way war can be loved, from a stage red perspective. As cold, hungry and desperate as I was, I was experiencing it all from Gods perspective, through a lens of unconditional love, revelling in my beauty. I also realised that all of this happened so love could ultimately evolve itself, which includes me integrating these spiral stages. I'm guessing that psychedelics must be a channel into our ancestors or our collective consciousness?