New War In Israel / Gaza

[Raze]

NSFL (dead child warning): https://twitter.com/Sarah_Hassan94/status/1724845396302700743?s=20

 

Edited November 17, 2023 by Raze

[Raze]

 

[Danioover9000]

@Karmadhi  @PurpleTree

2 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

@Leo Gura I think this is the first thread in this forum to go over 200 pages. Congrats

   Shows how intense this topic is now.

59 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

🥳 

   Nice profile.

[Whitney Edwards]

32 minutes ago, Raze said:

NSFL (dead child warning): https://twitter.com/Sarah_Hassan94/status/1724845396302700743?s=20

 

Thanks for showing this @Nivsch 

 

[Raze]

Delete the links when you quote a post with links 

[Nivsch]

5 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Karmadhi  @PurpleTree

   Shows how intense this topic is now.

   Nice profile.

Shows how important Israel is for people here

Edited November 17, 2023 by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

4 hours ago, Buck Edwards said:

Thanks for showing this @Nivsch 

 

Ohh I like them both

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[Twentyfirst]

8 hours ago, hundreth said:

I believe it's necessary to remove Hamas. Hamas is tormenting both Israelis and Palestinians by stealing aid, not holding elections, organizing attacks on civilians from both sides, etc. They are a non starter for peace negotiations in the region, and they've radicalized large swaths of the Gazan population. This requires a very invasive troops on the ground approach with a lot of ugly guerrilla warfare. It's not enough to take out the leaders, you need to uproot Hamas from the ground up and change the status quo. 

Because of how entangled Hamas is with the civilian population, it's really difficult to limit civilian casualties and collateral damage. The IDF's approach of air striking the region before sending ground troops in is reasonable if you're trying to reduce Israeli casualties, which they definitely are. This doesn't mean they're trying to indiscriminately kill Gazan civilians. I think this is an unfair claim, as there's a 1 to 1 air strike to civilian casualty ratio. If Israel's goal was to eliminate casualties, it wouldn't be this way. 

On the other hand, where you draw the line in terms of risking Israeli lives is a gray area and Its worth having this discussion. Do I believe that Israel is perfectly toeing the line between risking Israeli vs. Palestinian lives? No. Exercising caution is important here. I think Biden is actually doing a great job of walking this careful line.

A ceasefire is not the answer here. If we begin a ceasefire before Hamas is eliminated, all of this damage, destruction, and lives lost will be for nothing. With all the pain and torment this saga has created, we should have some tangible difference here with a promise of change.

The big question is, what comes next? After Israel removes Hamas and polices the area for a bit, where do we go? I think the U.N. will need to step in with a peacekeeping force and ensure aid, food and resources all go directly to the Palestinian people. I think if Palestinian lives slowly improve economically with mutually beneficial trade partnership with Israelis, these wounds will slowly heal and peace will become possible. From the Israeli side, Netanyahu's right wing government will need to be replaced with policies that prevent settler expansion, etc.

This recent event will literally create so many more Hamas members. They can't be defeated your government is lying to you and you are brainwashed enough to believe it meanwhile its obvious to a five year old

End of story. Theres no arguing that this creates more terrorists so just shut up about Hamas and actually bring intelligent discourse. You cant keep arguing points that dont even make sense just to fit your selfish narrative 

[Twentyfirst]

6 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yea, it shows you what the people are focused on. Let me start a thread about Love. It'll probably consist of 2 pages. Ok, let's hear it, we need to know what's going on in the world and be concerned. 

Let me guess. You are in the safety and comfort of a first world country with reasonable prosperity and opportunity? 

I dont think you even know what love is. Keep watching Disney channel and Netflix until you finally grow up 

[Twentyfirst]

7 hours ago, Sabth said:

After all you've done you think peace is an option? Fuck. I think the Palestinians will only have hatred (and disgust) towards the Israel. 

They will forever be against each other to infinity. Both of them hate each other very much. 

I said it before. They think they are so superior that even their tyranny is somehow a blessing

Then when the other side wants revenge they are shocked to the core

They are truly evil and insane 

[Merkabah Star]

6 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yea, it shows you what the people are focused on. Let me start a thread about Love. It'll probably consist of 2 pages. Ok, let's hear it, we need to know what's going on in the world and be concerned. 

I will post on your love thread.. 

♥️

[Nivsch]

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[Lila9]

3 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Shows how important Israel is for people here

I love Israel.

I know many people love to hate Israel.

But Israel always was strong and advanced depiste all the haters.

And it will be so. They think that the more they hate on Israel, the faster it will be ruined.

But the truth is that their hatred around the world fuels Israel to be even better and stronger.

Which causes them to hate Israel even more, which makes Israel even more better and stronger 🙈

 

 

 

[Nivsch]

20 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

I love Israel.

I know many people love to hate Israel.

But Israel always was strong and advanced depiste all the haters.

And it will be so. They think that the more they hate on Israel, the faster it will be ruined.

But the truth is that their hatred around the world fuels Israel to be even better and stronger.

Which causes them to hate Israel even more, which makes Israel even more better and stronger 🙈

A vicous circle 😂

It will end in a black hole formation.

Edited November 17, 2023 by Nivsch

[Lila9]

12 hours ago, Vrubel said:

I think you'll find it interesting to know that many Palestinians considered themselves Syrians before Israel, and referred to themselves as such. 'Palestinian' as a distinct national identity was only formed in reaction to the Jews settling the land. 

Also there are many 'Palestinians' who are Egyptians, Jordanians.

Arafat, the first leader of what is called PNA was born and grew up in Egypt.

12 hours ago, Vrubel said:

The reason Israel was established and not Palestine is because the Israelis had a clear identity and were very energetic about their goals. The Palestinians still had to figure out who they were in a sense. Before 1967, Arabs had full sovereignty on the West Bank and Gaza and yet there was no Palestine. Nor did the Palestinians demand sovereignty from the Egyptians and Jordanians. Jordan was basically a Palestinian state with a big Palestinian majority, they were just not the ruling elite. 

Because Palestinians never had real nationalistic intentions, as you said, they define themselves as Palestinians against the Jews in Israel but in reality they see themselves as part of the Arab world in the middle east, like part of some big Arab tribe. So if they are under the Jordanian or Egyptian occupation that would be fine for them.

Even their flag is not different from other Arab flags. The Palestinian flag is the old flag of Jordan.

In order to have really nationalistic intentions a group needs to be at least orange in SD and the Palestinians as a group are not there yet.

Their excuse in fighting Israel is that they want to have soverty as a nation, but actually their Muslim Arab pride was hurt because Jews won them in the war and they cannot accept the lost against Jews.

 

[Lila9]

1 minute ago, Nivsch said:

A vicous circle 😂

Definitely 😉

[Nivsch]

[Lila9]

On 11/16/2023 at 10:19 AM, Jacob Morres said:

@Lila9 are you as concerned about anti-muslim sentiment as  antisemitism? 

How have you opposed anti-Muslim sentiment in ur life? 

Islam is a religion and like many religions it's suffecating, misogynist, hypocratic, self righteous, ignorant.

I have respect to any religion but I don't want any religion to control the world, I don't want to live under Muslim Shriiet, I don't want to be forced to it. I don't like the fact that there are Muslim terrorists like Hamas, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood who believe that everybody must to be a Muslim and they would kill innocents just because they are not Muslims.or not following Islam rules. This is scary to be surrounded by people who prefer you dead than non-Muslim.

I don't care them practicing Islam peacefully and leave others alone.

In fact, moderate Muslims many times are kind and generous people. The Arab and the Muslim culture has beautiful and intresting aspects in it, if we ignore the toxic and the religious dogma.

I also love the mystical Islam, the Sufism, this is a very wise, beautiful and inspiring for me personally.

But I don't love the fact that the Arab Muslim world doesn't like Jews and Israel, I don't see a rational reason for that, only primitive and religious. I don't understand why they can't allow one Jewish country to exist while they have so many land to be Muslim and practice Islam.

This is the the aspect in Islam that I don't like, the belief that Islam is superior to everything and that everyone should be a Muslim.

They want Europe and America to be that way at the end, they don't appreciate that people have the right and the soverty to believe in what they want to believe and that not believing in Islam doesn't make you some bad person who deserves death.

 

 

 

 

[zazen]

@Nabd Well said. National consciousness wasn’t a thing till Europeans brought it about. Even when the Brits left Africa they drew borders in and between tribal lands which caused much chaos, confusion and infighting over resources.

Palestinians may have not had a nation yet they had a land - the lack of a nation state with a flag doesn’t justify the expulsion and establishment of a nation state with a flag by an outside group. Especially if that nation state is in the name of a minority of that land ie Jewish.

By that logic the massacring of native Indians to establish America was justified - because they didn’t formally have a state with a flag inked in worded documents. Legal doesn’t always mean right. 
 

Native American tribes engaged in conflicts with European settlers and later with the United States as westward expansion occurred. Were they terrorists? Everything the Palestinians do can be framed as aggressive if people omit the base fact that they are occupied.

Edited November 17, 2023 by zazen

[Vrubel]

2 hours ago, Nabd said:

Multiculturalism is invented by Europeans but lived by middle easterners for thousands of years.

I agree with a lot of your points. Though Multiculturalism in the West is Post-nationalist while in the Middle East, it's pre-nationalistic. The diversity in the Middle East is also much more vulnerable to all kinds of tensions and wars. Being a minority group in the Middle East is definitely not easy. Even though people can live friendly on a day-to-day basis, you can't do away with all the political differences of these groups, and when it comes down to it and tensions erupt they will be more loyal to their subgroup than to the larger country. That's one of the reasons Arab dictators tried so hard to unite their lands by demonizing and blaming everything on Israel. United by common hatred if you will.

Of course, this doesn't work because it takes love to unite. Arabs talk all the time about being brothers but in reality, it's all extremely superficial. An Alawite must feel a real meaningful connection with a Kurd and Sunnis and Shia must care for each other as if they belong to the same people. You don't see this happening in reality and that's why they have no qualms about brutally killing each other in civil wars. So for now the Middle East definitely needs some more stage blue nationalistic uniting. 

Also, I want to make the point Israel might be literally without exaggeration the most diverse country on Earth. The Nakba happened because Jews needed to have their own land. Period. Why should they accept living with Arabs as a minority,  when they treat each other so badly. Furthermore, even before Israel there were massacres of Jews, like the one in Hebron where a "native" Jewish community was attacked in their homes.

Edited November 17, 2023 by Vrubel