Is effort an illusion?

[jdc7733]

Do things just happen or do we play some sort of part in what happens?

[Vibroverse]

Well, that's the big question, right? 

 

[Yimpa]

I’d say both.

[Leo Gura]

Not an illusion.

[Shodburrito]

This is such a low-quality post with broadly interpretable definitions but I'll try my best.

 

If you define effort as some force you can apply to an external reality to change that reality then yes effort clearly changes things.

Try sitting on a couch and see if that pays your bills or cooks you dinner. If it does, then you will have proved your theory that effort is indeed an illusion

[UnlovingGod]

Just now, Shodburrito said:

This is such a low-quality post with broadly interpretable definitions but I'll try my best.

 

If you define effort as some force you can apply to an external reality to change that reality then yes effort clearly changes things.

Try sitting on a couch and see if that pays your bills or cooks you dinner. If it does, then you will have proved your theory that effort is indeed an illusion

I'd say the emotional pain you feel is the effort you put to keep this world together.

[Yimpa]

7 hours ago, Shodburrito said:

Try sitting on a couch and see if that pays your bills or cooks you dinner.

Ehh, that’s what autopay is for. And DoorDash.

Just be careful not to use these tools as a way to avoid hard work. Most people do.

Edited August 19, 2023 by Yimpa

[SeaMonster]

15 hours ago, jdc7733 said:

Do things just happen or do we play some sort of part in what happens?

False dichotomy.  The second part assumes the reality of the personal self concept.

First you must prove its existence (or fail and perhaps get enlightened in the process.)

[Bobby_2021]

Yes. Reality should be effortless.

Effort is just a concept in your mind that has relevance only if you think about it.

You can do it effortlessly or with huge amount of effort. 

But the default case scenario is that we don't know how to do things effortlessly. Once we break the illusion, those things that required effort become second nature to us. 

[Breakingthewall]

life is basically effort

[Schizophonia]

Not just effort, it's all illusion and basically comedy.

Edited August 19, 2023 by Schizophonia

[jdc7733]

@Shodburrito @Leo Gura since everything is acausal and just a dream, shouldn't effort be an illusion?

Edited August 19, 2023 by jdc7733

[jdc7733]

@ryandesreu efort leads to suffering.

[Bobby_2021]

You are imagining effort.

Not just at God levels, but even at human and personal level. 

[Princess Arabia]

Can you pee on demand. Answer that and you get your answer. Cause and effect.

[gettoefl]

if i'm in an illusion, what else could effort be

better, is there anything in an illusion that's NOT an illusion hmm

and where is the magician who conjured this illusion and how do i get hold of it

[Yimpa]

6 hours ago, SeaMonster said:

False dichotomy.  The second part assumes the reality of the personal self concept.

First you must prove its existence (or fail and perhaps get enlightened in the process.)

What would limit GOD from creating parts of itself?

4 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Yes. Reality should be effortless.

Effort is just a concept in your mind that has relevance only if you think about it.

You can do it effortlessly or with huge amount of effort. 

But the default case scenario is that we don't know how to do things effortlessly. Once we break the illusion, those things that required effort become second nature to us. 

Limiting Reality to being effortless is a mistake.

This is the most unfortunate trap of nondual teachings.

[thenondualtankie]

In your experience, is effort an illusion?

[itsadistraction]

On the meta scale everything is an illusion including effort.

But on the relative level, compared to everything else, effort is just as "real" as anything. 

Same goes for free will. 

Am I getting this stuff right? 

[SeaMonster]

3 hours ago, Yimpa said:

What would limit GOD from creating parts of itself?

What is a "part" of the infinite? "Something" which "thinks" "it" is "finite."  

Remove that thought and "it" is back to the infinite again.

Edited August 19, 2023 by SeaMonster