Many People Who Are Fighting Absolute Solipsism Do Not Even Know What It Is

[Javfly33]

14 hours ago, Water by the River said:

 

That is the deep structure found in every meditation system. It is always in a deep structure similiar to that. And the tricky point, where most of the discussion happens here: Between 3 and 4. Psychedelics do bring one to a pretty empty nonduality. But not to that which stage 4 brings.... Not fully empty and impersonal. Not fully conforming to the enlightened mindstream.

Water by the River

exactly. As much help psychedelics have given to me in the past its obvious to me know after comparing, that psychedelics still twist up the ego and not fully fully eliminate it. And it can appear that its eliminated within the psychedelic trip, and maybe for some spare seconds or even minutes it happens, but soon one the chemical start to go down from the peakest peak, the ego is already slightly active, to become again fully active one its wear off (which can take days for some psychedelics). 

 

27 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

When you did 5meo, did you get a total openess? I mean, did you became completely infinite, without awareness of being a human, having a body. complete relaxation of control, ultimate reality. the total absolute infinity, what is existence, and did you recognize yourself as the eternal infinity in complete freedom?

@Breakingthewall I can recall the time I smoked it there was complete dissolution of personality, pure white light, not remembering anything, not being human anymore, etc... I would say this was my most intense 5-meo experience, in terms of 'effects'.

Then plugged even though people bitch on it I had some other very very intense experiences, one of them I would say it was pure infinite love, pure unitary infinity. But anyway those are words now lol I dont even know what that means know.

But not sure what you mean with total openness. I´m not sure I have experienced that or not. 

Edited June 1 by Javfly33

[josemar]

Openness is only conceptualized from the perspective of the ego, which is a contracted, closed energy.

Openness, unconditional, is the default state, that is being limited or veiled by a bunch of thoughts we call ego.

 

[Breakingthewall]

56 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

exactly. As much help psychedelics have given to me in the past its obvious to me know after comparing, that psychedelics still twist up the ego and not fully fully eliminate it. And it can appear that its eliminated within the psychedelic trip, and maybe for some spare seconds or even minutes it happens, but soon one the chemical start to go down from the peakest peak, the ego is already slightly active, to become again fully active one its wear off (which can take days for some psychedelics). 

 

@Breakingthewall I can recall the time I smoked it there was complete dissolution of personality, pure white light, not remembering anything, not being human anymore, etc... I would say this was my most intense 5-meo experience, in terms of 'effects'.

Then plugged even though people bitch on it I had some other very very intense experiences, one of them I would say it was pure infinite love, pure unitary infinity. But anyway those are words now lol I dont even know what that means know.

But not sure what you mean with total openness. I´m not sure I have experienced that or not. 

there are many barriers to break with 5meo. It is typical that of pure white light and no memories, experiences of love, and more, but the total openness is that there is nothing left of you and the clarity is total. It is the eternal infinity and you are it. the feeling is: obvious, how could I forget this? If that's what I've always been. not articulated in words but you realize that you forgot and now everything is clear. Yo are the totality, without limit. you get up and dance, laugh and understand what this moment is, how you are creating this experience, how layers and layers of energetic patterns are superimposed, everything is totally clear. the infinity being. Dancing with itself in a sacred dance of love. you peceive yourself flowing from the depth of nothingness, creating intricate shapes of beauty, is completely sacred. Over all, the quality of what you are: everything. Glory. you cry. you've seen.

Edited June 1 by Breakingthewall

[Javfly33]

19 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

there are many barriers to break with 5meo. It is typical that of pure white light and no memories, experiences of love, and more, but the total openness is that there is nothing left of you and the clarity is total. It is the eternal infinity and you are it. the feeling is: obvious, how could I forget this? If that's what I've always been. not articulated in words but you realize that you forgot and now everything is clear. Yo are the totality, without limit. you get up and dance, laugh and understand what this moment is, how you are creating this experience, how layers and layers of energetic patterns are superimposed, everything is totally clear. the infinity being. Dancing with itself in a love sacred dance. you peceive yourself flowing from the depth of nothingness, creating intricate shapes of beauty, is completely sacred. you cry. you've seen.

got it. From what you are saying, then probably I´ve not gotten to that place with 5-meo.

But if its clear to you then why there is not liberation right now in your current experience?

I mean I got tired of tripping because no matter how good it felt some times I would go back to identification, delusion, ego, thoughts, whatever you want to call it.  

What is impeding right now to you that this openness you are talking about is not present right now?

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Javfly33 said:

What is impeding right now to you that this openness you are talking about is not present right now?

39 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

 

There is much more liberation than there ever was, but not to that extent. every day there is more, it is like an opening to the unlimited that is being installed, but when you do 5meo and the opening is total, you realize the obstacle that you are. you are the veil. 5meo removes the veil for a moment and everything is perceived instantly, but in normal experience that is impossible, it is incompatible with being human. You can open up the experience to some extent. the more openness, the more happiness. But there is a limit since you are human I'd say

[Javfly33]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

There is much more liberation than there ever was, but not to that extent. every day there is more, it is like an opening to the unlimited that is being installed, but when you do 5meo and the opening is total, you realize the obstacle that you are. you are the veil. 5meo removes the veil for a moment and everything is perceived instantly, but in normal experience that is impossible, it is incompatible with being human. You can open up the experience to some extent. the more openness, the more happiness. But there is a limit since you are human I'd say

I am not a human.

 

[Yimpa]

 

[Water by the River]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

I am not a human.

You have a human, buzzing around in You . Capital Y.

And it seems you are quite successful in installing & wiring a button for radio-volume control for it...

Good job.

Water by the River

[Javfly33]

3 hours ago, Water by the River said:

You have a human, buzzing around in You . Capital Y.

And it seems you are quite successful in installing & wiring a button for radio-volume control for it...

Good job.

Water by the River

@Water by the River what  I didn't understand anything sorry

[Moksha]

@Javfly33 He just called you a fly catcher. You are the space within which the jav-fly flies. ?

[Water by the River]

40 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

3 hours ago, Water by the River said:

You have a human, buzzing around in You . Capital Y.

And it seems you are quite successful in installing & wiring a button for radio-volume control for it...

Good job.

Water by the River

@Water by the River what  I didn't understand anything sorry

Beautiful analogy by Moksha.

Sorry, I am no native English speaker. Sprechen Sie deutsch? 

Ummm, what I wanted to say was: You said you are not human. Yes, right. I said you "have" a human. In You. In Big You. Reality itself. That is why I wrote Capital Y because You is the "Opening" of Reality itself. Transcend and include the human.

And it seems you get more and more succesfull in installing a switch to lower the volume of any internal self-talk.

And on that, I congratulate you! Good job!

Water by the River 

[Yimpa]

7 minutes ago, Water by the River said:

Sorry, I am no native English speaker. Sprechen Sie deutsch? 

That is a surprise to me 

[SOUL]

On 5/27/2023 at 6:08 AM, Razard86 said:

ONLY YOU KNOW YOU ARE AWAKE.

Yet you repeatedly tell others on this forum you know they aren't awake because of...*checks notes*...words.

[Yimpa]

@SOUL pfft… you can’t maintain the dream if EVERYONE is AWAKE.

Also, The AWAKE Club is currently not accepting new applications! 

 

[Javfly33]

35 minutes ago, Water by the River said:

Beautiful analogy by Moksha.

Sorry, I am no native English speaker. Sprechen Sie deutsch? 

Ummm, what I wanted to say was: You said you are not human. Yes, right. I said you "have" a human. In You. In Big You. Reality itself. That is why I wrote Capital Y because You is the "Opening" of Reality itself. Transcend and include the human.

And it seems you get more and more succesfull in installing a switch to lower the volume of any internal self-talk.

And on that, I congratulate you! Good job!

Water by the River 

Thanks brother ? 

[SOUL]

53 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

@SOUL pfft… you can’t maintain the dream if EVERYONE is AWAKE.

Also, The AWAKE Club is currently not accepting new applications! 

 

A.W.A.K.E. = always whining about koans eternally.

[SOUL]

On 5/27/2023 at 11:10 AM, Moksha said:

If anything, I'm beyond-minded. 

....absent-minded might be more apropos, hm

[Bazooka Jesus]

22 hours ago, Moksha said:

Genuine laughter, despite the doom shadow, can be leveraged to remove the mask. The ego takes itself so seriously. 

@Bazooka Jesus You out there?

Ssssssshhhhhh, I am trying to sleep over here!!

On 31.5.2023 at 5:38 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Hehe no, it's not that. what happens is that the limited state is frustrating and it is inevitable to try all the time to get out of it, and that makes it inevitable to think about it, and post what we think in this forum, not to create a new conceptual framework, but by trying to loosen the mental knot that keeps you floating

Gotcha. Thing is, the mind is an ingenious distraction machine... and one of its favorite mechanisms is to distract itself by endlessly thinking about ways to end the distraction, lol. It's like waging war in the name of peace - or as the great modern day mystic George Carlin said, it's like f@#!ing in the name of virginity.

Btw, is it the limited state or your perception of the limited state that is frustrating? Food for thought!

[Moksha]

22 minutes ago, SOUL said:

....absent-minded might be more apropos, hm

True dat:

I don’t mind what happens. That is the essence of inner freedom. It is a timeless spiritual truth: release attachment to outcomes, deep inside yourself, you’ll feel good no matter what.

- Jiddu Krishnamurti

[SOUL]

6 minutes ago, Moksha said:

True dat:

I don’t mind what happens. That is the essence of inner freedom. It is a timeless spiritual truth: release attachment to outcomes, deep inside yourself, you’ll feel good no matter what.

- Jiddu Krishnamurti

Which is why the term detachment doesn't express what unattached really is.

Detachment implies having to do something to sever an attachment one has while unattached suggests something that isn't attached. If our genuine state is unattached then we don't have to detach, we just realize the unattached state of being.

Not to be contrary to what is quoted but even 'releasing attachment' implies we have to do something in releasing to be in that unattached state but really we don't need to do anything to be unattached except be unattached.