Many People Who Are Fighting Absolute Solipsism Do Not Even Know What It Is

[Kuba Powiertowski]

22 minutes ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

PS:

Yeah, it's a good one... especially considering that the guy who wrote it was one of the grumpies mothereffers who ever walked this planet.

Well, yin yang in everyone😄

[Bazooka Jesus]

@Kuba Powiertowski

Yup.

Another paradoxical fun fact about this piece of music is that the composer of what some people call the most magnificient example of sound art ever created was as deaf as a goddamn doornail when he wrote it. The story goes that at the end of the first performance they had to turn him around in order to let him know that the audience was clapping.

God truly works in mysterious ways.

 

Edited November 5 by Bazooka Jesus

[Razard86]

2 hours ago, Water by the River said:

  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concept

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstraction

"It [Solipsism] states you are ..". If that is not a concept I don't know what a concept is.

"Solipsism" is a concept, "you" is a concept, "mind" is a concept. The two sentences above are conceptual, consisting of concepts.

 

And that is why these two sentences of yours are: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-contradiction

 

But hey, don't want to spoil your gig. You are a perfect example towards which certain teachings lead to. And the originator of these certain teachings (Solipsism) apparently doesn't object the outcome of these teachings. Like you flooding the forum with conceptual ideas like Absolute Solipsism (loaded with ego & separate-self).

Actually, it is not so difficult:

True Self = Infinite Impersonal (!) Suchness/Being/Reality/Consciousness: Solipsism ok. But that takes the death/transcendence of the separate-self/separating ego. Not blowing it up to infinity-proportions (God-ego). And even then, what is the use of talking "Solipsism" to other un-enlightened egos, when it mainly tends to blow up their obstacle towards true liberation, which is their untranscended separate ego/separate-self, to God-Ego size?

False Self = separate self/ego/self-contraction/all of these concepts: Solipsism = madness. 

It depends on the mindstream claiming Solipsism. If done not from a truly enlightened perspective/mindstream, it is just ego-inflation: Ego = God. Which is the equivalent of shooting oneself in the knee and embarking on the Enlightenment-marathon of getting rid of anything separating/ego. Quite a show, although it doesn't reach Athens.

Selling Water by the River

To say Mind is a concept is to say Consciousness itself is a concept, is to say imagination is a concept. At this point you are making everything a concept. Which basically says....don't speak. You see? Your ego is just going to run itself around in circles.

How do we know it is a mind? Because a mind can conjure an appearance out of nothing. How do we know? Because when you day dream, imagine, etc, you conjure an appearance out of nothing. When you think you conjure an appearance of a voice out of no where etc. Your entire experience has been the appearance and disappearance of everything. 

This has always been your experience. Even the first memory of what you call your life was an appearance. That's what mind is saying. When you all argue against this, it's just proof you haven't actually accepted what your entire life has been. You resist this because it's too close for comfort. You want to experience denying what you are. It's a game that you are playing with yourself.

[Water by the River]

23 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

To say Mind is a concept is to say Consciousness itself is a concept, is to say imagination is a concept. At this point you are making everything a concept. Which basically says....don't speak. You see? 

 

hach.  

When talking of the Absolute, it needs to be recognized "how far" concepts and pointers "work", and where they all fail at the Infinite Absolute. 

I am not exactly against using concept as pointers/concepts/practices up to a certain level (which you can see at the length of some posts of mine), but I am aware where all of that has to stop. One can never become IT and remove the delusion/ignorance when one is loaded with so many concepts about the Absolute, which all limit the Infinite (by definition). It doesn't work that way.

14 hours ago, Razard86 said:

Also Solipsism isn't even a concept. It states you are the only mind

I didn't write that self-contradiction. When communicating on a conceptual level, it is better to stay coherent and logical, and avoiding self-contradictions. One can communicate in an unlogical way with concepts, or in a logical way.

 

Short form: If using thinking & logic & concepts, think straight & logical. And at a certain point approaching the Infinite Absolute don't let the cup overflow:

 

Selling Water by the River

[AndylizedAAY]

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[PepperBlossoms]

So if solipism is the case, then all of y'all including myself are in my dream and I will awaken from this experience to realize it was all a dream.  But I do not have an experience of having awoken from this and so IF solipism is how reality works, I have not experienced awakening because I only have direct memory of having woken up from dreams as this person.

So because I do not have direct experience, I have to keep it in the column of being a religion.

MLK's I had a dream; my community college - "What is Your Dream?" Aristotle - studied dreams; Inception - dream within dream; Shutter Island - realize the patient was you; psychological thriller/twist movies

I would be sad if all of y'all are fake as I enjoy having others to be with and get lonely if I am by myself.

[Yimpa]

7 minutes ago, PepperBlossoms said:

I would be sad if all of y'all are fake as I enjoy having others to be with and get lonely if I am by myself.

Actually, needing others to be a particular or conditional way is the fakery. 

Imagine not being biased towards any particular other. Whatever “other” you perceive, is God.

 

[Razard86]

2 hours ago, Yimpa said:

Actually, needing others to be a particular or conditional way is the fakery. 

Imagine not being biased towards any particular other. Whatever “other” you perceive, is God.

 

Exactly fake real is all a word game. If everything is God...then it's real, it's just a temporary real, which makes it a lie because it's not absolute. We have always known all human life has a beginning and an end. What do we call that...a story? What is a story? Fiction. So why does it seem real? Pain and suffering. Which is why we need it, we need pain and suffering for limitation to be experienced as real. Without pain and suffering...limitation will be seen for the illusion that it is.

So everyone is real or fake depending on how you look at it. We emphasize the word illusion, to break you out of the materialist paradigm. Then you can see imagination for what it really is....an imagined reality. The fusion of imagination and real. If humans can ever make a virtual reality that has pain and suffering and if you die in that reality your physical body perishes....then they will have accomplished a similar feat....I doubt they want too.

[Bazooka Jesus]

PPS:

@Water by the River

Going back over this thread, I am starting to miss the delicious banter that Your Moistness, Moshka (may he jest in peace) and myself had going on here. Schnief!

But it is all good. I can be my own Mariachi band.

 

[Yimpa]

20 hours ago, Razard86 said:

If humans can ever make a virtual reality that has pain and suffering and if you die in that reality your physical body perishes....then they will have accomplished a similar feat....I doubt they want too.

I already experience pain and suffering in virtual reality. I use an app in VR called Horizon Worlds to help expose myself to social situations since I have social anxiety disorder. When I’m unable to speak and then freeze due to the fear of being rejected, that’s when I experience pain and suffering, as well as the missed opportunity for deeper connection with others. 

So fear is imaginary, but it is very real when you are deeply ingrained in it. To overcome fear you need to expose yourself to it again and again, without resorting to behaviors that steer you away from that fear when you’re face-to-face with it.

[Razard86]

1 hour ago, Yimpa said:

I already experience pain and suffering in virtual reality. I use an app in VR called Horizon Worlds to help expose myself to social situations since I have social anxiety disorder. When I’m unable to speak and then freeze due to the fear of being rejected, that’s when I experience pain and suffering, as well as the missed opportunity for deeper connection with others. 

So fear is imaginary, but it is very real when you are deeply ingrained in it. To overcome fear you need to expose yourself to it again and again, without resorting to behaviors that steer you away from that fear when you’re face-to-face with it.

Funny enough we have always known fear is imaginary, because we can remember a past event and experience fear, or think of a future event and experience fear. And cool beans doing the VR training I believe VR training will one day be used in schools as part of the educational learning. But I am talking about a VR that one day will be so powerful you won't be able to distinguish between what is real or not to you and has consequences like the end of your human dream.

[Yimpa]

5 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

And cool beans doing the VR training I believe VR training will one day be used in schools as part of the educational learning. But I am talking about a VR that one day will be so powerful you won't be able to distinguish between what is real or not to you and has consequences like the end of your human dream.

Heh, my girl friend uses the term cool beans a lot 

Also, just remember that The Simpsons did it first  

 

[Razard86]

5 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Heh, my girl friend uses the term cool beans a lot 

Also, just remember that The Simpsons did it first  

 

Matt Groeining needs to stop channeling the Universe so well. Simpsons seem to predict everything!!!

[Merkabah Star]

@Razard86 You have seriously blown my mind away tonight. Thank you for sharing in the way you do and being patient. Sometimes people just need to catch up, they were busy doing other things and got distracted. Easy to do on a spiritual road.

much love!

[AerisVahnEphelia]

On 25/05/2023 at 0:43 PM, Razard86 said:

Oh and to add onto this. 

https://www.actualized.org/insights/actualized-quotes-022

You see this? ^^^ THIS IS HUMAN BULLSHIT BY LEO!!! This is why you need to think for yourself. I gave away all my money last year....ALL OF IT!! I wanted to test if what Jesus said about not having to worry about your survival....was it true!!! And so far what he said is true!!!

https://www.actualized.org/insights/actualized-quotes-036

Read this^^^ this is true!!! When you awaken you need to THINK FOR YOURSELF!! Leo has a fear of being poor, this fear distorts his reality and makes him very afraid. As such he sees people as uncaring....THIS IS BULLSHIT!!! I've tested it out and people as selfish as they are will literally help you out for NOTHING IN RETURN!!! For example after one of my bad trips prior to permanent awakening I was walking around in the cold trying to process it. A random guy walked up to me, gave me a jacket and walked away. 

There are other stories of pure random acts of kindness by complete strangers I have had. So this belief that nobody cares about you and you are all alone out here is HUMAN FEAR BASED BULLSHIT AND IS THE CAUSE OF ALL DISCRIMINATION!!! IT IS UTTER BULLSHIT!! In my own direct experience through all my trips, it has been the COMPLETE OPPOSITE!!! They only appear to be that way but when push comes to shove even the meanest people are willing to help you out!!!

Obviously there are outliers but I have actually noticed that people are MORE GOOD than you realize!!! Remove your fear, and you will see with clarity!!!

the funny thing is reading this topic now, feel very enlightening and about everything I've been coming up with.

Absolutely right on goodness, nothing exist really, we attract what we are deeply and what we really need.

[Breakingthewall]

On 5/11/2023 at 4:25 PM, PepperBlossoms said:

So if solipism is the case, then all of y'all including myself are in my dream and I will awaken from this experience to realize it was all a dream

you are not the creator of the experience but a product of the experience. The self that perceives itself as the center is transitory, reality is something very different, but it is something unimaginable for someone who has not broken the appearance. heavy egos that are interested in spirituality tend toward solipsism, which is a mirror understanding. They understand it exactly backwards. 

Only those who are willing to give themselves generously can open to reality. in short, who are willing to die. It is not usual, the normal thing is to want to inflate yourself to the maximum, and believe yourself to be  god. The bottomless reality is what you really are, but it's not you. 

Edited November 14 by Breakingthewall

[AerisVahnEphelia]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

you are not the creator of the experience but a product of the experience. The self that perceives itself as the center is transitory, reality is something very different, but it is something unimaginable for someone who has not broken the appearance. heavy egos that are interested in spirituality tend toward solipsism, which is a mirror understanding. They understand it exactly backwards. 

Only those who are willing to give themselves generously can open to reality. in short, who are willing to die. It is not usual, the normal thing is to want to inflate yourself to the maximum, and believe yourself to be  god

I see two paths, some who believe to be god, and the ones who deny to be god.

But I hardly understand which one got the real deal.

 

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

I see two paths, some who believe to be god, and the ones who deny to be god.

But I hardly understand which one got the real deal.

 

You are god in the sense that what you really are is the infinite reality that exists and manifests, but you are not in the sense that the self that is perceived as the center of experience and that questions whether others exist, It is a transitory creation that dissolves into nothingness. It's very easy to get confused. very difficult to understand the subtle difference, how the experience is created. You have to dissolve yourself totally many times to start to have a glimpse

Edited November 14 by Breakingthewall

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

. heavy egos that are interested in spirituality tend toward solipsism, which is a mirror understanding. They understand it exactly backwards. 

 

Is so funny because is so true in this forum 😂😂😂

[Razard86]

41 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Is so funny because is so true in this forum 😂😂😂

Absolute Solipsism says the lack of appearance and appearance are one. So how can their be OTHER? Other is duality. But Absolute Solipsism does not deny that the experience can be felt like an other, but it also reveals that the experience can be felt like one which removes other. Its all inclusive. What cannot be argued against is when you go into DEEP SLEEP everything disappears. There isn't even silence, its so empty its blank. Its a blank out. A gap. Before your first memory of your life there is a blank. 

So where is the other? where is the individual self? They need each other. People don't even know what a self is. A self is not a person. It's an appearance. So if you enter a void with no body, an empty floating void....that void that you see is a SELF. All appearance is SELF because SELF is a constructed appearance. You don't even need visuals. Sound is self, silence is self, anything that is appearing...is SELF. You see? With this definition...there is NO ESCAPE!!! And thus...other disappears into the ALL INCLUSIVE SELF.

This is why it cannot be falsified, hell it doesn't even need verification because it has been your entire experience. Psychedelics cannot negate this because anything you experience by definition is an appearance and thus SELF. You see? This is why ANYBODY that argues against this construction....is just being deluded and dishonest. Now notice...for any other issues they will use logic to tell you are wrong. But they cannot use logic to deny this. Why? Because....it cannot be disproven because it has always been true and will always be true. 

So this is why I love it, its the perfect lie detector. Anybody that argues against this basically lets me see into their being. All their reactions are just reactions against what is true. Now I understand its bitterness, for exploration purposes last night I considered taking on the perspective of it being bad just for its own sake and I felt the pain of that perspective. Then I dropped it because it is pure delusion. If something is true, its true. What is the point of denying it...there is no point. But that's why you can deny it, because there is no point to anything. LOL.

But it does point to something beautiful.....it means since you are the Absolute...you ABSOLUTELY MATTER!!! LOL. If you are NOT HERE, nobody else can be here either. Think about what that actually means? When you die....we all go with you. LOL. And when I say death I just mean when your form dissolves....all form dissolves with it. You don't actually die but the form dissolves.

Edited November 14 by Razard86