Critique: Leo's video on the left is one of his worst...

[abundance]

41 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@abundance Not taking responsibility for polarization and conflict is a Tier 1 attitude. If you want to rise to Tier 2 you will have to take responsibility for such things and adjust your behavior.

I agree with this position but I think you're a bit naive when it comes to understanding the American right. I'm just not seeing how the excesses of the left are making the right more insane and violent. There has always been a violent undercurrant to the American right that predates crazy entitled lefties arguing over gay pronouns on twitter. Look at Timothy McVeigh and Ruby Ridge. I know these are outliers but the threat of violence has always been at the cornerstone of American conservatism. You only need to look at our obsession with gun culture to see this.

The right will always find some new outrage to jusitfy their ever growing radical positions. We've seen this time and time again. Whether its caravans at the border or one example of some drag queens reading childrens books. 

I am editing this post because I have a genuine question. With the state of the American right as it is right now; do you think the left scaling back its excesses would make them reconsider using violence as a means to acheive their political goals? 

Edited October 29, 2022 by abundance

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, Tahuti said:

I honestly feel this place is a cult tbh. Everyone protects you. And Does everything you do!!! Wake up. Fix this shit. Or I forever will leave and live in a cave!!!!!

Bye then

Answering buffoons is not my job.

Edited October 29, 2022 by Leo Gura

[Phil777]

@Tahuti Have you read the title of this threat? I critiqued him harshly and many agreed. Leo allowed it to happen and didn't censor anyone. The vast majority here are not blindly following him.

So stop throwing around these accusations because you saw it in a video somewhere.

 

[spiritual memes]

Best stage yellow solution to the vegan issue is lab grown meat. You meet peoples demand for meat without harming animals or destroying the environment. It's the ideal stage yellow solution.

Trying to force right wing meat eaters to change their diets is like trying to force strict muslims into becoming pro lgbt atheists. You're just going to piss people off.

[Leo Gura]

Practically lab grown meat is not gonna work because it's just too expensive compared to regular meat.

We are a long ways away from lab grown meats being cheaply available for all.

[Tyler Robinson]

I'm not sure if lab grown meats taste the same as regular meat.. 

[Hardkill]

I thought that Leo's entire 2 part vids series on "When Does The left Too Far?" was excellent. He made a lot of valid points as to how and when it becomes a serious problem when someone takes any kind of ideology to such an extreme, whether it be right-wing extremism, left-wing extremism, or even extreme centrism. 

The only point he made in that series that I definitely disagree with Leo on is when he essentially said that he agrees with the idea of American citizens being allowed to defend themselves with guns in case the US government one day ever becomes truly tyrannical. Worrying about a such possible government take over of everything ever happening in the US is so ridiculous because something like Socialism, Communism, or Totalitarianism will never happen in this country. Certainly not with any of our lifetimes. Monarchy is also certainly never coming back to America. Furthermore, no other developed countries in the world allow their citizens to buy guns of any kind at all and their countries have had much less gun violence per capita than the US has ever had. 

Now, maybe guns would be needed to fight the right wing fascists in the US, but even Leo doesn't believe that our country will ever get taken over by fascism. 

So, I don't see how Leo point's on this makes sense.

Moreover, if banning all assault weapons in our country won't work, then what should be done to reduce the gun violence problem in the US?

 

 

 

 

 

[trenton]

55 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Moreover, if banning all assault weapons in our country won't work, then what should be done to reduce the gun violence problem in the US?

This is a concerning and complicated issue. There are several factors which indirectly link to gun violence.

One important factor is brain damage. Some people want to shoot up a school because of this. When their brain damage is healed, they lose the desire to shoot dozens of children.

Brain damage can be caused by the food we eat. A lot of the foods we eat do not the EPA and FDA safety guidelines because there is too much money on the line for massive food and water corporations and they can get away with it. Baby food can cause brain damage when linked with arsenic and lead. To make matters worse, the safety guidelines are severely outdated because there are carcinogens in Europe that are outlawed, but still legal I America. America is giving its citizens brain damage out of corporate greed and poor science in heavy metals.

Maybe depression is a factor. When people feel they have nothing to live for they usually kill themselves, but sometimes they externalize these suicidal tendencies and take it out on others. Helping people to find meaning in their lives might prevent them from doing these horrible things. Of course there are many other factors in depression, but psychedelics are useful in curing depression. A lot fewer people would act in these ways if they were more loving and compassionate. Maybe psychedelics are so life transforming that it could prevent someone from becoming a school shooter.

Another suggestion I have is online courses. Although not everybody has to take online courses, it can reduce the classroom sizes and disperse the target. The reason people attack schools is because there are a lot of people. If some students are better learners online rather than in a classroom because of abnormal social behaviors for instance, then fewer people would die in school shootings. Likewise, increasing the quantity of public schools would help classrooms to be less crowded. Instead of having 30 kids, they could have 20 or 10 kids. This would make evacuation during any emergency more efficient and fewer kids would die.

Economic inequity often makes people give up on life. It could be student loans, stagnating wages, expensive medical care, unable to afford a house, a miserable dead end job, and many other factors. A lot of limiting beliefs come from money and a lot of society's problems could be solved through the combination of education and equalizing income and creating material abundance.

Raising the age for owning firearms has been discussed recently. Background checks for people under 21 are important because their brains are less developed and it might make them more impulsive to the point of committing suicide or worse be a mass shooter.

Alcoholism and other drug addictions can cause brain damage. Treating drug addicts rather than punishing then can solve a lot of behavioral problems. Most of the people who shoot up schools are crazy people with brain damage. If so many Americans are drug addicts, then no wonder they act insane. Maybe the ibogaine treatment can help alcohol and heroin addicts. Psychedelics also have anti addictive properties and legalizing them could help make the drugs less profitable for drug trafficking. For example, marijuana is smuggled across the border because it is easy to grow in Mexico and drug traffickers become less optimistic about their actions when it is legalized in America, giving doctors more control over the drug. It could work for other drugs as well. This also solves the issue of border security by the way.

I'm sure there are many other solutions to gun violence other than these suggestions, but this is a few of them.

By the way, there is a lot of talk about banning ar-15s. This could make the issue worse because there are less popular guns which are actually more powerful. If these guns become more popular than more people would die, not to mention how many guns are purchased illegally.

[spiritual memes]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Practically lab grown meat is not gonna work because it's just too expensive compared to regular meat.

We are a long ways away from lab grown meats being cheaply available for all.

The price of lab grown meat has dropped tremendously and will continue to do so. A lab grown burger that cost $300000 in 2013 now costs $9 in 2022.

The technology is still in early stages so there is room for huge breakthroughs.

 

[Leo Gura]

22 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Moreover, if banning all assault weapons in our country won't work, then what should be done to reduce the gun violence problem in the US?

Much stricter background checks are needed, strict red flag laws, raise the purchase age to 25+, and a serious funding of mental health counseling.

[Razard86]

On 10/23/2022 at 8:51 AM, Phil777 said:

@Leo Gura

self made billionaires do exist

^ This is concept needs to die, its so laughably untrue I don't even know who created it. There are NO self-made billionaires. There never have been, or ever will be. Its literally impossible. There are infinitely too many arguments I can make for this being the case. The first is....they were taught language, second they were given tools and opportunities by others, the third money doesn't come from nowhere, you need others to even become a billionaire. If you are the only human on the planet...you cannot become a billionaire. This means population is highly connected to the mass accumulation of resources.

So yeah....please everyone stop spreading this concept, its like saying someone can be a self-made driver. Who is going to pave the roads for you to drive? Who is going to build your car? Who is going to provide your gas and who is going to give you the parts you need to repair and maintain it?

I know what the saying is TRYING to suggest but its direct message obscures this attempt. What the phrase means to say someone who with less help than most people, became a Billionaire. I get it....but I'll give you one tip. If you study any of these billionaires you will realize that events had to happen EXACTLY a certain way for them to make that money. Timing and the reaction of others was very important for them. So that same billionaire if they were born in a DIFFERENT era of OTHERS wouldn't be a billionaire. So again...the billionaire is inextricably linked with OTHERS. A billionaire needs OTHERS to become a billionaire. 

I don't want to send this thread into another direction just wanted to comment on that phrase cause its so annoying every time I see it. 

[Leo Gura]

Self-made billionaire is admittedly a bit of a stretch, but self-made millionaire is certainly possible.

Self-made doesn't mean you literally did it alone. Obviously you needed society and employees.

But just consider the following example: a single guy basically made Minecraft, and then sold it to Microsoft for $1+ billion.

It is very possible for a single person to invent something so useful or valuable that it is worth anywhere between $1M to $1B.

As another example, Stardew Valley was entirely developed by a single guy who made over $100M in sales from it. In this case, he did not exploit a single employee because he worked alone. Marxists have no response to this.

So when leftists say that all rich people are exploiters, this is factually untrue. Some of them simply create enormous value. And having employees is also not automatically exploitation. Many people would love to work on such a project for a reasonable guaranteed salary.

In practice, of course, most billionaires are exploiters and should be taxed appropriately.

Edited October 31, 2022 by Leo Gura

[LordFall]

@Razard86 I mean you're taking it a bit too literally. Self-made just means built their own companies themselves without being handed down wealth or having their businesses massively subsidized(there's a line here, you can argue this one a lot of ways.)

A good example is the new crypto/blockchain/metaverse revolution that's gonna happen in the next 5-10 years. It's already easy to predict that this is gonna be a new gold rush and plenty of people are gonna become millionaires/billionaires from it. Then there are those that complain now that's its a scam and will complain in 10 years that it's unfair when thousands become rich from it while they haven't gotten much out of the opportunity. 

[Danioover9000]

@LordFall

1 hour ago, LordFall said:

@Razard86 I mean you're taking it a bit too literally. Self-made just means built their own companies themselves without being handed down wealth or having their businesses massively subsidized(there's a line here, you can argue this one a lot of ways.)

A good example is the new crypto/blockchain/metaverse revolution that's gonna happen in the next 5-10 years. It's already easy to predict that this is gonna be a new gold rush and plenty of people are gonna become millionaires/billionaires from it. Then there are those that complain now that's its a scam and will complain in 10 years that it's unfair when thousands become rich from it while they haven't gotten much out of the opportunity. 

   Dude, Cryptocurrency is a scam, an escape from accountability, and most users have had their bit coin wallet hacked and stolen far more frequently than any other form of currency. It's a wolf of wall street day trader fantasy come true.

[LordFall]

35 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@LordFall

   Dude, Cryptocurrency is a scam, an escape from accountability, and most users have had their bit coin wallet hacked and stolen far more frequently than any other form of currency. It's a wolf of wall street day trader fantasy come true.

What does it have to do with an escape from accountability? It's a decentralization of central banking and digitalization of asset classes. Very few people have ever had their wallets hacked/stolen, definitely way lower than people's online banking/credit cards getting stolen. A lot of people have lost money stored on exchanges but that's a whole different story.

You're undereducated on the subject and exactly the kind of person that will regret not understanding this technology. 

[The0Self]

Who knew a stage green critique would have the largest blowback from the viewers ? 

I guess the closer one gets to tier 2, the more they resist it. Until they really see the big-picture practicalities and compromises at play — skirting over this makes the endeavor utterly insurmountable.

[LordFall]

On 10/25/2022 at 4:15 PM, Phil777 said:

@LordFall You do realize that your mind is powerful. What you focus on and what you envision has power. Look into manifestation teachings for more info on this. You can test this hypothesis. More key words: reality transurfing, law of assumption/attraction, Neville Goddard

This is where spiral dynamics reaches it's limits. If you look through it's lens, you will come up with horror scenarios like you just did. You basically believe that the worst possible scenario that could emerge with the new technologies will be our future. Why, why do you do this?

This isn't rational and based on your bisaes and selective attention. How about you stop misusing your mind and train it to come up with more holistic and promising scenarios? Of all possibilites you have chosen this. Why? Because you are looking through fear, you are looking through limited models of reality, because your mind is unconsciously running wild and you are not controlling it.

Let me tell you another reason why Leos 200 to 300 year time frame is not sensible: Until then we have reached the technological singurality with general prupose AI exceedeing human intelligence by a million fold.

How do you think spiral dynamics, that nice, little cozy, linear model holds up to predict what will happen at this point?

Thank you for the reply. I'm not really too familiar with manifestation(which is what I assume you're referring to) which I'm gonna consider as optimism. I think the most reliable ways to trust in the future is to understand how the systems we have now currently work and the issues with them. The point is not to come up with a doomsday scenario but to see how the world has been, how it's now, how it could go and how we can address that.

If we understand how wealth and business have progressed then switching to a more widespread decentralized freelancing/startup industry seems like the next logical step rather than a full-on socialist/Ubi revolution coming from nowhere. This is especially backed up by the coming recessions and global conflicts meaning that big western states will not have the leisure to spend free money on their populace. 

I predict that the economic and geopolitical conflicts will start ramping up next year and last throughout the 2020s. 2030s will see new tech kind of solidify itself and we can expect more calm, peace, and a return to growth in the mid-2030s and 2040s.

To me studying, understanding, and preparing for these scenarios gives me great peace and comfort instead of being in a cloud of uncertainty, naively hoping for the best at any time, and being decimated by tragic events that I would have no way to predict. 

I feel like believing too much in manifestation seems to be a bit like magical thinking to me, I manifest by being prepared for the future and being ready for the opportunities it's gonna present to me. 

[Display_Name]

21 hours ago, LordFall said:

@Razard86A good example is the new crypto/blockchain/metaverse revolution that's gonna happen in the next 5-10 years. It's already easy to predict that this is gonna be a new gold rush and plenty of people are gonna become millionaires/billionaires from it. Then there are those that complain now that's its a scam and will complain in 10 years that it's unfair when thousands become rich from it while they haven't gotten much out of the opportunity. 

Do you have any favorite resources for staying up to date in this space?

[LordFall]

23 hours ago, Display_Name said:

Do you have any favorite resources for staying up to date in this space?

Alex becker is probably the best resource for the investing part of it. He's a rich guy that shares his thoughts, mindset and strategies on stuff that he expects will get crazy returns over the next 5-10 years(50-100x returns.) His Youtube hasn't been updated in two months(he's more active in bull markets) but his Twitter is still active daily and his old videos are still a wealth of knowledge. 

For understanding the fundamental impact of the technology I recommend Gary Vee's videos on blockchain and NFTs. He doesn't touch the investment/speculation side of it but only the technology which is the most important part to understand. People don't understand Gary Vee's genius because he talks very simply and like a bro but he's one of the natural-born geniuses of entrepreneurship and his insights are always precise(talking about mass content production and predicting the rise of Tiktok and Podcasts 3-4 years ago.)

Iman Gadzhi is another great resource on understanding the fundamentals of the market and investment strategy. He's also a genius(22-year-old millionaire worth 30M) and his videos on business and investing are great. He speaks in very simple language and his titles/thumbnails are similar to other clickbait YouTubers but his actual content and what he's saying is pure intelligence. 

The TechLead has some good fun videos on his crypto investment. He's my least strong recommendation because I think he fundamentally misunderstands the technology but it's interesting to see how an average investor thinks about it and does it. It's good to understand the field from all perspectives. I think he got out of crypto now but once again his old videos are interesting and I'm sure the crypto market blows up again he'll start making some more.

The most important strategy IMO is to fundamentally understand the meta of blockchain and the technology behind it. The investment part of it is great and I'm honestly sure it's possible to make 50-100x returns but that only comes with really understanding what's going on so your bets are placed on things that make sense and not hype. A lot of smart people that know the field are saying blockchain is an even more groundbreaking technology than the internet itself and although I'm still not satisfied with my own understanding of it, I'm starting to agree with them. It will fundamentally change the power of governments, property rights, and money itself.

If people don't think that's important to understand and master, then inevitably they're gonna be left far behind everybody who puts the time and work in. 

[Heart of Space]

On 10/24/2022 at 2:41 PM, Phil777 said:

Germany still prospers, Europe is way ahead of you in most issues. All you got is the innovation coming out of silicon valley and military supremacy. But that's not mutually exclusive with treating your people with some decency.

Same with veganism, social security and healthcare reform. If you americans fail to do it, you won't be competitive long term as your populations creative and innovative capability is locked up in a dreadful and fearful rat race of unsafety and existential angst.

Meanwhile in Germany your leadership gleefully supplied its country with Russian gas after conservative Donald Trump rightly criticized them for it in the most embarrassing political interaction anyone has seen in decades. 

Germany is literally halfway to 20€ liters of gasoline and has to get bailed out by the wealthier, vastly superior NATO countries.  Not only does America and the UK keep your lights on, they fight your battles for you with much higher Military spending per GDP.  Perhaps before all these nuanced criticisms over social policy, maybe address some of the obvious existential threats that your country is facing and is unprepared for?  Maybe show a little respect for the imperfect, yet vastly superior red, white and blue.

Oh, and enjoy requiring government subsidies from the EU central bank to pay your 400 euro monthly electric bill and your 42% income tax rate as well. 

Your country is good for one thing though, extreme undignified arrogance.  Utterly shocking that you would make any statement about the competitive nature of the United States.  

I'll be sitting pretty in Texas at an extremely high standard of living, low taxes, and six figure income. 

Edited November 4, 2022 by Heart of Space