Nahm Demoted

[Raptorsin7]

Just now, Loba said:

@Raptorsin7 Did you ever mention how you felt to him personally after he taught you?

Yeah i've mentioned it a few times here and there. I always felt guilty because I thought maybe I was in the wrong, and when I pushed him on it he always referred it back to me about not taking responsibility, etc

I am also at blame for our interactions. I should have known earlier on that it wasn't helping and found a different teacher. But I didn't have the understanding, and was under the impression if that was the case Nahm would have pointed that out to me

[Zeroguy]

@Nahm is good teacher.Was helping you realize Love.

[Raptorsin7]

Just now, Zeroguy said:

@Nahm is good teacher.Was helping you realize Love.

It's possible, and I'm sure he was trying to help realize that. But the road to hell is paved with good intentions

[Preety_India]

5 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

@Raptorsin7 I sent you a PM back when you were doing sessions with Nahm and you said you could donate a lot because your parents were well off. Why you really throwing him under the bus? 

So wait a minute. Just because someone's parents are well off, they should keep donating money till they empty their parent's bank account? What kind of grift is that? 

19 minutes ago, Raptorsin7 said:

 

 

[Gesundheit2]

1 minute ago, Raptorsin7 said:

No he didn't. Ask other people on here, he charges for his sessions. At one point it was free, but then he started charinging.

He would not have asked me about payment after I donated thousands of dollars if it was free

Well, I can only speak about what I have seen. And I have only seen him offering sessions for free.

Maybe he decided to make a change after that. But you still had your mind and free will to stop at any point. So yeah, he is right on taking responsibility too.

[mysticalninja]

@Raptorsin7 I relate to your experiences with Nahm's sessions.  He sort of promised so much, you felt like you had to keep coming back.  When he told me he lived in so much bliss that he didnt know what to do with it all, it made me think maybe i could access that too.

I only spend a couple hundred bucks, so it was no big deal at all - i put together he wasnt on the same wavelength as me pretty quickly.  I could easily see how someone could get strung along, feeling like it could just click at any moment and all suffering would vanish.

[Breakingthewall]

normal. every time i read nahm a wave of narcissism hits me. I get the feeling that his goal in posting is to show how advanced he is, and how stupid are the others, and to do so he deliberately makes his posts incomprehensible.  toxic. narc.  

if you want to communicate something, if you have something to say, you do it clearly. since your goal is to contribute something. if your goal is to look like the smart kid in the class, you do those kinds of weird spins. lately it was already unbearable, a toxic aroma in this forum.

another detail: to say that he has 3 successful businesses and meets with millionaires. when? please....he only has one business and it is fooling fools. Over all so nice with the pretty girls. Oh man.

you were playing with a demon thinking it was an angel, as it use to happen. I had doubts at first, narcs are smart, but lately was so obvious

Edited February 21, 2022 by Breakingthewall

[Raptorsin7]

Just now, mysticalninja said:

@Raptorsin7 I relate to your experiences with Nahm's sessions.  He sort of promised so much, you felt like you had to keep coming back.  When he told me he lived in so much bliss that he didnt know what to do with it all, it made me think maybe i could access that too.

I only spend a couple hundred bucks, so it was no big deal at all - i put together he wasnt on the same wavelength as me pretty quickly.  I could easily see how someone could get strung along, feeling like it could just click at any moment and all suffering would vanish.

This was my exact experience. Every session I got the sense that I was only one insight away from it all clicking. This lasted for many months, where I would have the call and would think well at least i'm really close. But there was never any actual movement.

And since then I've made real progress and I am really skeptical that I was ever that close to understanding what he was saying

[Raptorsin7]

1 minute ago, Loba said:

What was it that wasn't helpful, was it just too advanced, and there were not steps to get to what he was saying, or did you not understand him?  What was it about his style that didn't help, and what is it about your current teachers that you find more helpful?

He just repeated the same teaching over and over in our calls and it never get clicked. And instead of changing his approach he just kept on with the same approach despite me not making any progress in understanding what he was saying.

I don't know exactly what these teachers are doing right, but when I speak with them there's actual progress and I can see the difference in how I am now and how I was before I spoke to them.

I'd say grace and absorbing their energy has been huge.

[LSD-Rumi]

@Raptorsin7 Doesn't he charge by the hour? How many hours you spent with him?

[Guest]

37 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

I really appreciate the mystery of poetry and riddles and I think the only questions worth asking are the ones that aren't immediately answered. Just because you don't immediately understand something doesn't mean it's worthless or wrong somehow or badly or carelessly written. Quite the opposite. Like a poem or a koan, feel into the words. Why is this... essentially art... being demonized?

Nailed it!

Though, when I casually speak to people, I wouldn't go full koan on them. That's kinda off. 

[Raptorsin7]

Just now, LSD-Rumi said:

@Raptorsin7 Doesn't he charge by the hour? How many hours you spent with him?

I talked with him for about 6-8 months once a week. I donated per session, and then i think midway he started charging per session

 

[mandyjw]

If Nahm was "smart" he'd just make youtube videos, market himself, sell courses and not ever deal with talking or relating actual real life, messy (beautiful) people. But yet THAT is what is so obviously needed. 

[Average Investor]

@LSD-Rumi I had done a free session with him. Some small stipulations with it, but it was free. I thought it was helpful.

[Raptorsin7]

And if he was wise he would go to real teachers, learn how to actually help people, and then find a way to interact with people where most of his communication doesn't go over their heads and doesn't serve them

[SgtPepper]

Nahm is cool.

Sometimes I understood and sometimes I didn't. He's largely pointing to thoughts being barriers to the Now, and hopes that it would cessate the thinking process.

In the end, you asked him to be more reasonable and conscious of his communication style, and he chose not to. 

This is just as much Nahm's choice as it is Leo's choice.

Edited February 21, 2022 by SgtPepper

[Etherial Cat]

Sorry to hear that. 

While I get the issue, I've always thought that this perspective brought spiritual diversity to the forum. I personally benefited from Nahm's work, even though it took me some time so start seeing through his teaching style. To me, it was clear he wasn't for everybody. But those who resonated with him got access to deep wisdom. He's great to remind you of the fundamental, and to remind you that actuality is where it's all at. Thoughts and emotions tint awareness, his teaching is about getting yourself free from that occlusion.

Also, it was nice to have someone enlightened around.

Kudo to him for his work as a moderator.

 

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Gili Trawangan said:

The reason @Nahm has been using more of the "there is no you" talk lately, is because a) it's true and b) it's

I love him to death as a person as well..but it just seems like he felt he needed to be involved in every single thread even if there was nothing of substance to say.  So he just Injected the neo advaita talk..which honestly is not going to be of any help to anyone.  It's better to not post in a thread rather than to just insert the Absolute into every post when we are speaking at a relative level- language after all is dualistic.  It just seemed that this got worse and worse, to the point of madness for him.  Maybe it was some type of unhealthy addiction to the forum, I'm not sure - or maybe this is just where his head is at..always in the Absolute and out of touch with reality.   I think Leo made the right decision, but as I said, I love @Nahm and wish him the best.

[LSD-Rumi]

6 minutes ago, Cykaaaa said:

After reading some of Nahm's latest posts, I understand why Leo found it tiresome. lol

Yeah he gone full Connor Murphy on us 

[Raptorsin7]

Everyone can read my journal. I am fucking crazy I know that, but I am pretty sure what i'm saying is true, but if you're really curious you can look back at my earlier posts on the forum.

I was the biggest Nahm fan boy there was. I thought he was absolutely brilliant when we first talked, but I had no basis of comparison.