Posted August 13, 2021 Vaccines decrease the virus count in the body, so the virus has fewer chances to mutate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 13, 2021 2 hours ago, DrewNows said: Conscious vitality This guy is a BLUE disappointment. From Brazil Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 14, 2021 2 hours ago, AtheisticNonduality said: Vaccines decrease the virus count in the body, so the virus has fewer chances to mutate. Didn´t Fauci (and the CDC) just say it´s the same viral load for vaccinated (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/health/covid-cdc-delta-masks.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 14, 2021 @BadHippie The vaccines prevent severe infections, which mean it does decrease the virus count. Even if the initial count would be the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 14, 2021 @AtheisticNonduality Here in Germany there are a lot of severe cases even in vaccinated Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 14, 2021 42 minutes ago, BadHippie said: @AtheisticNonduality Here in Germany there are a lot of severe cases even in vaccinated Yes, vaccinated people can have breakthrough cases. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 14, 2021 (edited) On 07/08/2021 at 9:34 PM, Blackhawk said: Btw if Leo would be a anti-vaxxer I would of course immediately leave this place and never look back. You're living in clown world. Any of this bullshit being a deep determinant for what you value and do is laughable It's not just you however I take issue with, I'm more appalled by the amount of meaningless noise and unoriginal thought in general here Edited August 14, 2021 by lmfao Hark ye yet again — the little lower layer. All visible objects, man, are but as pasteboard masks. But in each event — in the living act, the undoubted deed — there, some unknown but still reasoning thing puts forth the mouldings of its features from behind the unreasoning mask. If man will strike, strike through the mask! How can the prisoner reach outside except by thrusting through the wall? To me, the white whale is that wall, shoved near to me. Sometimes I think there's naught beyond. But 'tis enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 14, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Clint Eastwood said: It's just a broad mental concept you use for people who don't vaccinate. It's a pretty accurate description for people who are allergic to collective action. 13 minutes ago, Clint Eastwood said: This blaming is indeed idiotic. It won't stop mutating once people are vaccinated. And even if it would work that way, billions of people are unvaccinated, so why all this pressure? Again, more all-or-nothing, black-and-white mentality. Even if vaccines were much less effective at reducing disease and transmission rates, we would still vaccinate people. It's about doing the most you can possibly do, not what is impossible to do, and it matters. For instance, if we didn't vaccinate at all, you couldn't get a hospital bed if you suddenly became sick. Talk about a reduction in individual freedoms. Edited August 14, 2021 by Carl-Richard Intrinsic joy = being x meaning ² Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 14, 2021 8 hours ago, Loba said: I thought about doing a long thing on getting the vaccine, I still think you should do it, but my place was of ego - I found this - see if you are coming from ego or not - He introduces wetiko into this, which idk... I don't like it personally and the guy clearly chose a side... but if you look past that, and just at what is best for society, I am still pro-vaccine. Even so, he raises good points on how you come about it. Hard to be 100 percent neutral on this kind of thing, though, huh? Its interesting, but you could also flip it and say that theres an insatiable (which im sure he mispronounces) need for 'freedom' from the anti-vaxxers. In the times of the Native tribes you did what was best for the community, most likely you wouldnt even question it, because there was a certain trust that was necessary for survival. So now its like we want complete individual freedom regardless of how it affects the community, which in itself is a paradox and literally impossible, how can i have 100% freedom in a society of millions and everyone else simultaneously have freedom as well? Now there isnt really sufficient trust and in a lot of cases this mistrust is justified, it will always be an issue of top down power in a society, so i do empathise with people that want to go against the government, but i think what we need to realise is that if you get rid of this government and you take over it will most likely be worse than what it was before. I dont think people appreciate the delicate balance of society and in fact its probably the most progressive society in human history, however it loses a lot just for the size of it. We need to find some way to bring back purpose and true community, but i feel that will come as humans go up the spiral dynamics ladder, but one thing is that we have to really understand and rework our expectations for 'freedom'. If you liked whatever i said in this post, check out my youtube channel for actual me talking Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 14, 2021 What people who tout freedom don't understand is that freedom has never been a true value. The true value is survival. You are confusing freedom and survival. Nobody actually wants to true freedom. If you think you want freedom you are a fool. You don't understand that freedom means people are free to rape your kids. You can only be fooled into chasing freedom as long as you don't feel it impinge on your survival. But as soon as freedom stings you personally, your fantasy will quickly burst and you will come crying for safety. The truth is that you only want freedom when it benefits you. The whole problem boils down to people having no comprehension of what freedom is. "Freedom" has become pure dogma. You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 14, 2021 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: What people who tout freedom don't understand is that freedom has never been a true value. The true value is survival. You are confusing freedom and survival. Nobody actually wants to true freedom. If you think you want freedom you are a fool. You don't understand that freedom means people are free to rape your kids. Not everybody thinks like you, this is a classic fear based mentality. Do not forget your divine potential and birth right to attract who and what you are to the core. The actuality is creation, is freedom (connection), liberation from the ego, the divided self and not all paths are the same the steps between infinite source/mind and you is healing and integration, the controller is the controlled, the dimensions in ascension release the blocks of darkness, the shadows lie on the journey of oneness, let them, time to upgrade physicality 54 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: You can only be fooled into chasing freedom as long as you don't feel it impinge on your survival. But as soon as freedom stings you personally, your fantasy will quickly burst and you will come crying for safety. The truth is that you only want freedom when it benefits you. Freedom doesn’t benefit those who haven’t learned to take full responsibility for themselves, it’s part of the journey. The only fool here is an ignorant savage Do not project your wounded child dogma onto the world, it’s okay to be in uncertainty and learning to trust what’s seemingly insane in the membrane, you can master the 5 senses all you want just hold some space for the 6th, the innate, it is just as practical to some Edited August 14, 2021 by DrewNows Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 14, 2021 51 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: What people who tout freedom don't understand is that freedom has never been a true value. This can and will change, in my opinion. Entropy only increases with time. 51 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: The true value is survival. I have spent years contemplating this one and I can say for sure that I disagree with you. Most others will agree with you but I don't. Looks like we are nailing our disagreement right here! In response to this, my question to you is - What is truer? The Absolute Truth or the ego? 59 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: You don't understand that freedom means people are free to rape your kids. They still are. This doesn't change even if you make it punishable. You're not taking away someone's freedom to do it if you make it punishable! You're just attaching a social, man-made consequence to it. Not a natural one, a man-made one. I'm not saying it's not a helpful thing, I'm saying that let's call it what it is. 1 hour ago, Leo Gura said: You can only be fooled into chasing freedom as long as you don't feel it impinge on your survival. But as soon as freedom stings you personally, your fantasy will quickly burst and you will come crying for safety. The truth is that you only want freedom when it benefits you. The same could be said about government and regulation. The problem with government and regulation is that it only cares about survival. It does not care about the quality of human life. Now, if you say that survival is all you care about, then we have no problem here! But what if that's not true? Then there are better ways of doing things. This could work to survive, I'm not saying it can't or doesn't work. But, if you want more, which I think we do, then it can't work in the long-term. "Do not pray for an easy life. Pray for the strength to endure a difficult one." - Bruce Lee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 14, 2021 (edited) @Parththakkar12 @DrewNows The Absolute does not have this role in evaluating relative, human matters. As far as it has a role, 1. society doesn't care about spirituality at this stage, and 2. weakening social structures and elevating existential risks is not going to help with that problem. Edited August 14, 2021 by Carl-Richard Intrinsic joy = being x meaning ² Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said: 1. society doesn't care about spirituality at this stage But spirituality does care about society! It absolutely does. 4 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said: 2. weakening social structures and elevating existential risks is not going to help with that problem. The social structures are fundamentally weak, whether you like it or not. The existential risks are there, whether you like it or not! Whether humans like it or not, this is the reality of the system. Imagine how weak a system has to be for one teeny-tiny conspiracy-theory to scare it so much to death! "Do not pray for an easy life. Pray for the strength to endure a difficult one." - Bruce Lee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 15, 2021 (edited) @Parththakkar12 @DrewNows Here's the reality, you can have your completely free world if everyone has transcended survival and has gone on their journey and is basically enlightened or at least at yellow or above on the spiral. Until then 'freedom' is just a belief and paradoxical ideology, covering up for survival. Apart from the fact corporations would fully take control of the world without any market regulation, which by the way they'd love so I'm sure they're all for your freedom. But there would just be complete chaos, which is fine but we've already evolved from chaos, so we'd just come back to where we are now. You could make the argument that maybe there's too much control right now, but there's actually less control and more freedom than there ever has been in any human society. So I really rack my brain to think what this idea of freedom is that people have. I think maybe you're thinking of a utopia where everyone is enlightened and understands the universe and consciousness and their own bias' and whatnot, but what you don't see is that this is the path to that, we are on the right path it just takes a very long time. Going off that path just slows things down, it's the same way a dictatorship is on that path and when the people are ready democracy comes in, look at what happened to Iraq when saddam was taken out, did it get better or worse? Its the same with the Western world, when we're ready we will move up Edited August 15, 2021 by Consept If you liked whatever i said in this post, check out my youtube channel for actual me talking Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 15, 2021 On 8/1/2021 at 3:53 PM, Leo Gura said: On 8/1/2021 at 3:53 PM, Leo Gura said: Anyone here spreading covid conspiracies will be banned. Wow! Just wow! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 21, 2021 (edited) FYI - "even if you died of a clear alternate cause, but you had covid at the same time, it's still listed as a covid death" DR Ngozi Ezike, Public Health Illinois Does this not warp our reality of the severity of covid? I can point to two other example of "medical experts", in the states, who state the same as in this video. Shall I share or will people cry "conspiracy"? Edited August 21, 2021 by Johnny Galt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 22, 2021 @Johnny Galt It is not to far fetched at all to assume that someone that was already in bad health, or had other health issus was passing away earlier as a result of covid. It has been common knowledge from the very beginning that older folks naturally are at a higher risk. That is pretty much what she confirmed in the video, but with other words. A fragile immune system, can shut down in various ways if it is pushed into overdrive from something like covid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) @ZzzleepingBear Agreed. Covid could, and I imagine would be, a big factor in those situations, and yet to just lump then all under, "death by covid", without mentioning obesity or other underlying conditions as a part of the equation, isn't this misleading? Meaning, the news will continually just state "deaths by covid" without embellishing and disclosing there's more to the picture. Essentially, it's hypothetical, but to pass it off as a black and white case, at the extent that it's being done, we present a false translation of reality. Yes? No? And again, this is just one video, one example of many... Edited August 22, 2021 by Johnny Galt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) @Johnny Galt That would be one reason why world needs to go whole foods vegan, so obesity can be ruled out in most cases. Edited August 22, 2021 by Windappreciator Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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