How come that girls can be ruthless against nice guys?

[Karmadhi]

@something_else

51 minutes ago, something_else said:

How would you know it's easier to develop?

Because the world today is all about kindness, fairness, humbleness etc. Just look at media and the way people are taught, they are taught to be nice kind sweet etc. Why you think nice guys are such a problem these days (how this thread was made), it is because the social narrative pushes guys to be nice. For a guy to be attractive he needs to go against the social narrative which makes guys pussies. For females, the social narrative aids what they need to develop which is kindness, sweetnes niceness etc.

2000 years ago life was harsh and what was expected out of men was ruthlessness and determination and strenght. These days out of them is these SJW narratives that make men pussies.

54 minutes ago, something_else said:

But weigh-loss and maintaining a healthy and fit body are not easy tasks for a lot of girls either

Being fat is an issue for both guys and girls. You think most guys will not have a much harder dating life with being very overweight?

 

55 minutes ago, something_else said:

There's a lot of weird mental shit and insecurity involved in that as well.

The existance of the blackpill shows that guys are insecure also.

 

55 minutes ago, something_else said:

This is more of that super theoretical and subtly negative thinking shit that doesn't help anyone. There's a good phrase "Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die". Like I don't disagree with you on this point necessarily, but it really doesn't help you to think about this extensively

Fair points. Also a poor indian should not feel frustrated that his country is poor, he should just try to escape poverty. However we feel inclined in this forumn to talk about how to reduce poverty and wealth inequality.

56 minutes ago, something_else said:

How does that help you? The irony isn't lost on me, I know that's exactly what I'm doing and really it would be more valuable for me to go and do literally anything else.

It does not help, it is just a way to blow off steam. You wrongly assume that if someone complains here then he is not doing anything to change his situation. You can do both since writting here takes max 10 minutes a day. Plenty of time to do other more  healthy things.

[hyruga]

I don't think girls are ruthless towards nice people. Or not to the 'nice' traits at least. Girls appreciate the good things done by men. 

But girls hate it when guys show weakness. You can be nice but don't show too much weaknesses. Also depends on what status the lady is currently at. Some girls tolerate weakness more than others.

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, hyruga said:

I don't think girls are ruthless towards nice people.

They aren't ruthless.

They just won't surrender their pussy to that kind of weakness.

It helps to think of it from a raw sexual polarity perspective.

Why would a woman want to get impregnated by a cowardly man? In what world does this make sense? Why would this turn her on?

You might as well be upset at rabbits for fleeing from wolves.

All this black pill stuff is like a pack of wolves complaining to themselves that rabbits are bad because they are too fast and should slow down for them because they are starving.

Don't ask the rabbit to go slower, become a better wolf. You are simply a wolf who has not learned how to hunt. But learning to hunt is hard, it's much easier to make excuses for why hunting doesn't work. Then you can keep blaming the rabbits.

[Preety_India]

19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

They aren't ruthless.

They just won't surrender their pussy to that kind of weakness.

It helps to think of it from a raw sexual polarity perspective.

Why would a woman want to get impregnated by a cowardly man? In what world does this make sense? Why would this turn her on?

You might as well be upset at rabbits for fleeing from wolves.

All this black pill stuff is like a pack of wolves complaining to themselves that rabbits are bad because they are too fast and should slow down for them because they are starving.

Don't ask the rabbit to go slower, become a better wolf. You are simply a wolf who has not learned how to hunt. But learning to hunt is hard, it's much easier to make excuses for why hunting doesn't work. Then you can keep blaming the rabbits.

Why do you always make men and women situation like rabbit and wolf thing ?

Can't a man be a wonderful friend to a woman, a caring protective guide, a leader and companion and she falls in love with his bravery and graciousness and decides to marry him.

Why does it have to be like hunting?

The word hunting makes the relationship between a man and a woman so cheap, low on the SD spiral and so devoid of true love and lacking in integrity and consciousness.

Why can't you look at love as something sacred between a loving  man and a caring woman ?

 

 

[Arcangelo]

On 7/8/2021 at 0:54 PM, Karmadhi said:

you are forced to become an arrogant selfish dick.

You are not forced to anything but if you want sex...

[Arcangelo]

19 hours ago, something_else said:

they're the physically weaker sex.

IDK about that. The fact that we have 2 weak spots (adam's apple and testicles) and they have 0 kinda evens it out.

[Arcangelo]

17 hours ago, Striving for more said:

Girls in today's society have a disproportionate amount of power and options compared to men, like remarkably disproportionate. 

Covid, social media & dating apps have made this phenomenon far far worse. 

I agree 100%

17 hours ago, Striving for more said:

a female 6, has far superior choice and social prowess than a male 7.5. 

I agree 100%

 

ANYONE telling you otherwise is fucking lying to your face and you should add them to your ignore list.

 

Peace

 

Arc

[diamondpenguin]

40 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

Why do you always make men and women situation like rabbit and wolf thing ?

Can't a man be a wonderful friend to a woman, a caring protective guide, a leader and companion and she falls in love with his bravery and graciousness and decides to marry him.

Why does it have to be like hunting?

The word hunting makes the relationship between a man and a woman so cheap, low on the SD spiral and so devoid of true love and lacking in integrity and consciousness.

Why can't you look at love as something sacred between a loving  man and a caring woman ?

 

 

@Leo Gura yeah Leo she has point. Relationships are about love. It's about love, not just fucking everyone in sight. And you act like you know everything about love,  but it's clear as day that you don't. Like where is the love in that animal predation? That's the problem with men, they always act like animals.

 

Edited July 10, 2021 by diamondpenguin

[Arcangelo]

Every time someone masturbates they become an incel. Because they would have wished to have a real person to have sex with. But they didn't have it so they are incels.

We are all incels.

[Peter Miklis]

11 minutes ago, diamondpenguin said:

@Leo Gura yeah Leo she has point. Relationships are about love. It's about love, not just fucking everyone in sight. And you act like you know everything about love,  but it's clear as day that you don't. Like where is the love in that animal predation? That's the problem with men, they always act like animals.

 

Love has to be build on something. If there's no attraction, there's no love. Simple. That's how it works in the real world, away from your stupid deluded fantasies.

9 minutes ago, Arcangelo said:

Every time someone masturbates they become an incel. Because they would have wished to have a real person to have sex with. But they didn't have it so they are incels.

We are all incels.

There are a lot of people in a relationships that masturbate.

20 minutes ago, Arcangelo said:

IDK about that. The fact that we have 2 weak spots (adam's apple and testicles) and they have 0 kinda evens it out.

Women have no weak spots? Are you sure??

[Arcangelo]

10 hours ago, Tangerinedream said:

I guess a way for guys to understand the other way around would be to imagine that you have hundreds of ‘ugly’ (whatever you view as ugly) girls throwing themselves at you, but you aren’t attracted to any of them, you just want that 1 hot model to give you attention. 

NOPE

If I had a harem of ugly girls I will have sex with them, no doubt about it. But I would never get into a relationship with them and I wouldn't go out in public with them.

But that's just me. I am super potent. A combination of genetics, good diet and exercise.

 

Have fun boys and girls.

[Arcangelo]

^2 of my ex-girlfriends and a prostitute told me: -''I have never met anyone like you.''

My last ex-girlfriend told me: -'' I don't think I have ever seen you flaccid''

I told her: -''And don't you think that's a good thing?''

The pro told me: -''You could be a porn actor''

 

We are all different.

[Arcangelo]

12 minutes ago, Peter Miklis said:

There are a lot of people in a relationships that masturbate.

Yes, the second they masturbate they become incels. Then when they see their partner again and fuck they are no longer incels.

 

12 minutes ago, Peter Miklis said:

Are you sure?

Yes.

[Thunder Kiss]

[RendHeaven]

3 hours ago, Preety_India said:

Can't a man be a wonderful friend to a woman, a caring protective guide, a leader and companion and she falls in love with his bravery and graciousness and decides to marry him.

You're conveniently assuming that the guy is already attractive, so you hand-wave that aspect of the equation away and fixate on the luxuries of "wonderful friend," "caring protective guide," "leader and companion," "falling in love," "bravery and graciousness," and "marriage."

But what if the guy in question is sexually repulsive? Lmao. All of your fantasy fixations would turn to ash as you scramble to put a padlock over your genitals.

Heck, I swear YOU YOURSELF wrote a journal entry about how you hate "beta males" or something along those lines. So really you already know the answer to your own question.

Obviously a man can ascend and forgo myopic, degenerate sexual conquests. But that generally comes later after he has attained a solid grasp on basic attraction.

Edited July 10, 2021 by RendHeaven

[Peter Miklis]

@RendHeaven I'm not gonna pretend that my shit doesn't stink, but the kind of stuff she posts sometimes?‍♂️

Makes me wonder if some people take this self-improvement stuff seriously. Like, at all.

[Preety_India]

5 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

You're conveniently assuming that the guy is already attractive, so you hand-wave that aspect of the equation away and fixate on the luxuries of "wonderful friend," "caring protective guide," "leader and companion," "falling in love," "bravery and graciousness," and "marriage."

But what if the guy in question is sexually repulsive? Lmao. All of your fantasy fixations would turn to ash as you scramble to put a padlock over your genitals.

Heck, I swear YOU YOURSELF wrote a journal entry about how you hate "beta males" or something along those lines. So really you already know the answer to your own question.

Obviously a man can ascend and forgo myopic, degenerate sexual conquests. But that generally comes later after he has attained a solid grasp on basic attraction.

 I'm not intending to throw away basic attraction. But to make it sound like the whole game of love is only attraction is kinda silly in my opinion. 

Let's say a guy is very attractive but if he doesn't qualify for the stuff I stated like  "wonderful friend," "caring protective guide," "leader and companion," "falling in love," "bravery and graciousness," and "marriage" then I'm instantly going to reject him because he is just another asshole and it's like loving a book only for its cover, you know what I mean. 

The thing that I discovered in my journey of romantic love, because we're always evolving through our experiences and our thoughts change relative to our experience, and I have sort of transcended "the attractive guy" experience and what I realized recently is that even an unattractive beta male is still attractive in my eyes (I literally developed attraction for that kind of a guy ) because of how protective and caring he was. And for the first time it changed something in me and I felt like such men deserve a chance and such men are just awesome..and when the brain perceives it as awesome, it automatically generates attraction.

I have much more appreciation for those kind of men now and my attraction pattern is slowly shifting.

It's like I'm discovering a new side in my femininity with each romantic experience.

My new experience has taught me that even unattractive guys can eventually be attractive in my eyes if they become worthy of my respect and appreciation.

Having dealt with players who were very attractive but never truly caring, I think my brain has shifted the gears of attraction and began tasting waters in another direction so to speak.

It has definitely impacted my sexuality and femininity in such a big way that my brain is positively responding now when it wouldn't have in the past

The brain is simply an amazing organ. It can create anything.

 

[Preety_India]

@RendHeaven you know, after my most recent romantic experience, and being truly grateful for it, now whenever I read Leo's words about the rabbit and the wolf, it screams loudly in my mind as "Stage Orange."

It just doesn't click anymore. I don't relate to it anymore. It feels animalstic and so devoid of love and affection and graciousness. 

It feels very lacking in sentiment and very savvy and sort of achievement oriented but I don't see love in that anymore.

I guess there's a phase in one's romantic labyrinth where one transcends the stage of attraction and moves towards more wholesome expressions of love, kind of an outgrowing the mad attraction phase.

I think this is a phase (which I guess comes much later and after having been through multiple romantic experiences, sort of a growth, the kind that you experience if you had multiple psychedelic trips, so as you go deeper, you learn some shit that is very defying and mind blowing or simply unbelievable yet this realisation comes like a ton of bricks) where one is searching for more of a "love" based love rather than an "attraction" based love. I'm sort of in that phase and I have decided to stick to it because it feels much more amazing than all this stage Orange attraction game bullshit. 

This stage Orange attraction thing is like a huge wave, whereas the love based romance thing is like a Tsunami. There's simply no comparison.

But you only realize this when you are in it, not from the outside in..

I can tell this much that you gotta experience it to really feel the depth of whatever I'm saying. When you feel it, it's a mind blowing experience. Kinda changed me forever and I'll never look back.

Leo's advice fades in comparison and looks very dull now..

You have to sort of outgrow Leo's advice to know what I really mean and when that happens, you come  back to read what Leo wrote, you would be astounded by its cheapness, your reaction to it  would be on another level because you simply won't relate to it anymore. That's the point of transcendence of all this stage Orange crap 

Yet I'll have to unfortunately admit that the vast majority of the world is still immersed in stage Orange attraction patterns just the way I once was.

 

 

Edited July 10, 2021 by Preety_India

[Hulia]

4 hours ago, Preety_India said:

Why do you always make men and women situation like rabbit and wolf thing ?

Can't a man be a wonderful friend to a woman, a caring protective guide, a leader and companion and she falls in love with his bravery and graciousness and decides to marry him.

Why does it have to be like hunting?

The word hunting makes the relationship between a man and a woman so cheap, low on the SD spiral and so devoid of true love and lacking in integrity and consciousness.

Why can't you look at love as something sacred between a loving  man and a caring woman ?

 

 

I think, Leo was traumatized by rejections in his younger years. And then he learned PU- technique and has become more successful with women. So Leo has become very technical in regard to relationships between women and men. But what he doesn´t consider, that in the time he has learned PU technique, many other things have happened: he has become more mature, confident, wise, more enlightened (he-he). PU technique might be even not the main factor, it might be even like an annoying factor. 

I was in such situations, where the guy applies his technique and you think: What is wrong with this amazing guy? Why does he need this rubbish? And you have a kind of compassion and play his game just to make him feel good: Yeah, dude, you are cool.

[RendHeaven]

@Preety_India I understand. That was a strong response.

I suppose the takeaway is just to understand that Leo is purposefully coming at it from a narrow "lower" perspective because he is catering to the needs of men who don't understand basic attraction yet. You're right that such a perspective lacks holism when we begin investigating higher degrees of intimacy & connection.

@Peter Miklis She's not wrong per se. We just struggle to see each other's needs

Edited July 10, 2021 by RendHeaven