Leo Gura

Major Discussion Of Actualized.org Teachings & The Future

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I am good with your work. Only thing I'd like to point out is that I see many people obsessed over you. Well this problem is unavoidable but just wanted to say it. Some people have created an ideology around you and your work and a feeling of 'home', now that it is getting 'threatened' under their eyes, they're getting defensive, which only makes you look more like a cult. Just hoping nothing like Osho happens with you where you get dragged down by your followers, cuz I derive lots of benefiits from your work.

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Have you made any plans to update the forum guidelines? You'd obviously want to add some kind of disclaimer, even if it won't be enough to keep people from acting out their stupid ideas (not to be disrespectful), but I was rather thinking about being clearer about some of the new expectations you'll be holding towards members of this community.

6 hours ago, 4201 said:

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Yoo that looks sick! How did you get the dark mode going? I hate to be looking at this bright white all the time... xD

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6 hours ago, Preety_India said:

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Weirdly, this feels like it adds to the cult vibe. Anyone reading that is just gonna think this is more of a cult. The more someone tries to argue against it being a cult, the more it seems like one, just how it is.

I definitely agree with this one. Nothing personal, you seem to mean well, but if I read this as a person who didn't know anything about Leo and his work I would definitely be suspicious of him, seeing with how much intensity people are trying to defend him. You've posted quiet a few comments beneath that video, I just don't think that it's a good look for Leo, especially in light of the recent events. Again nothing personal, I just think that defending him like that doesn't do any good to his public image.

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Professional fool. My spirit animal.

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Typical/atypical mahasamadhi cases may be on the rise as communities evolve and become more conscious.  There should be a video to explain mahasamadhi to avoid people freaking out (apart from grieving) and assuming all kinds of things about spirituality.  Mahasamadhi is only appropriate at certain times and is not the goal alone of spirituality. 

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@Preety_India The way you leave comments on youtube gives off a culty vibe.  I think there are better ways for you to defend Leo's image, and sometimes the best thing to do is to do nothing at all ^_^

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8 hours ago, Consilience said:

One of my fundamental, perceived, disagreements is your dismissal of manual practices like meditation. Not that you dismiss them per-say, but that you significantly down play their effectiveness due to a personal lack of success and label the people who have serious success with them as “spiritually gifted.” Yet I do not believe that should warrant me leaving the forum or to stop watching your videos just because I perceive meditation differently than you.

In my view, the healthiest reaction would be for you to be open to the possibility that meditation, for example, is much more widely effective than the “spiritual genetics” argument claims and for me to be open to the possibility that most people will never have any hope of grounding high levels of God realization while sober.

Id appreciate the opportunity to share my views on this in the future though without being labeled as a contrarian and asked to leave. Ive been working on a series of posts which may fall into the categorization of contradicting your teachings. Not in the ultimate nature of truth, but in the accessibility of truth regarding states of consciousness.

Where does the line get drawn with too much contradiction? Having a community providing some level of criticism is healthy not only for you personally, but for the overall health of Actualized.org

@Leo Gura

Absolutely agree with this. We cannot all have the same opinions on everything and it would stunt growth if we all were just circlejerking each other. 

I don't like to argue. If I disagree with something or don't partake in it, it doesn't mean I put it in the garbage pile and know its bad/wrong. I have a section in my mind under question mark and these things I do not agree with might later be changed - or not.

I love Leos work on self inquiry and I believe there should be tolerance and room for practicing spirituality without using psychedelics and still using this forum.

That said, I am a user of -5meo-THC which is considered a mild psychedelic.

 

Regarding Leo's teachings about death, from my understanding, put simply, he does not support or encourage suicide, because he talks about how this experience now, including the experience of having a body, is actually nothingness /death itself. 

So one would only want to get rid of the body to experience death if they believed they are not already dead. Leo's teachings are absolutely the opposite. If you do not identify with the body, why so eager to get rid of it? If you're already dead, why the need to experience "conscious death". Etc, etc.. 

When realising you're not your car, you wouldn't smash your car to bits, it is still a useful tool.

It does, however, make it easier to let go of the car when it's time comes, which is a positive. 

The problem comes when the milk (truth) gets mixed with the poison of the egoic mind and create a story that appears to be true, because it looks like milk...

 

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@Leo Gura I’m worried that if you publicly talk about this unfortunate suicide incident on your channel then you could get a huge backlash. 
 

I mentioned my experience of writing an e book and someone coming after me saying that made them depressed. It sounds silly, but it was nearly a year of lawyers and small courts. 
 

you already have some haters and trolls who’ve made negative videos towards your teachings … but this story would be the bait for them, 

I don’t want to seem like I’m being over the top, I just think as your teachings get more radical and if you talk about this suicide incident openly, you risk even your channel itself. 
just thinking of you Leo and actualized as I believe you have done absolutely nothing wrong. 

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You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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I would just mirror what users @Tetcher2 and @Derek White have openly said, and what many others have tried dancing around.

@Preety_India is a complete embarrassment to this community. When people like myself refer to the cult-like element within this forum, then honestly this is precisely what we are talking about - she is the gift that keeps on giving.

I must have received around 40 comments from her within the space of about two hours on my channel, and I see here that she was equally busy spinning that story over here, in the time between each of those. Of course she would paint that conversation as my immediate "calling her an idiot", but that's not quite what happened, and it took a good amount of attempted civility on my part before I could see I was pissing in the wind.

You have a problem here guys.  

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11 minutes ago, AdeptusPsychonautica said:

When people like myself refer to the cult-like element within this forum, then honestly this is precisely what we are talking about - she is the gift that keeps on giving.

It would be wise of you to acknowledge that the way you do your videos is fuel for the reptilian brain, so don't be too surprised when you call everything a cult, that you get people who vehemently disagree with you.

It's a rather low blow to call something people love a cult, and then when they respond to you passionately that it is not a cult, then you use that as evidence to validate your original theory. This is called confirmation bias and self-fulfilling prophecy 101 and there's nothing nuanced or sophisticated about how that works. This is basic self-deception and it misinforms your own viewers who I assume you would rather be educating rather than triggering.

See... you could do this with any popular brand. You could call CNN a cult, you could call Tesla a cult, you could call any spiritual teacher a cult, you could call Nintendo a cult, you could even call a university a cult -- and if the brand has passionate fans you will have triggered them to instinctively attack you, and then you would use that as evidence that they are a cult. But what you're doing there is not anything rational or scientific, it is just poking a hornet's nest.

When you make triggery videos, people get triggered.

If you're going to be using the cult word, maybe actually read some books about what cults are and are not. Or if you don't want to read, I have videos about it: Cult Psychology - Part 1 and Cult Psychology - Part 2.

The problem with your critiques is that you clearly have not listened to much of my teachings. Or if you listened, you were listening with an eye for clickbait drama psychedelic stuff rather than actually bothering to hear the teaching.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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I feel your teachings are completely fine, but your tone/method of delivery sometimes could use some 'softening'. I can totally imagine you can come off as downright rude or even a bully to some people. Of course I understand that you consciously use this method of delivery, but maybe in some cases it can be counterproductive.

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@Leo Gura for sure I acknowledge that, and it would be wise for those users to realize just how triggered they are.

Still there is triggered, then there is TRIGGERED. After all the bulk of the membership here isn't acting in such a way, and the element that is is actively pissing off others within the group - hence, you have a problem.

Of course I do not personally identify within this group so I am sincerely offering you this as an outside opinion, because it certainly does seem like you have a blindspot for this particular user which I do not think you would let others get away with.

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@Leo Gura wow you are quick! I'm seriously impressed by how quickly you can pump out high quality videos

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7 minutes ago, AdeptusPsychonautica said:

hence, you have a problem.

Actually that's not my problem, that's your problem.

Precisely because this place is not a cult, I have no control over how members here express themselves on your YT channel. Nor do I care to micromanage what member here say to you.

All I would ask my members to do is to not be rude, don't attack anyone, don't start fights, and try not to get goaded into flame wars and drama. In other words: BE CONSCIOUS! Which is all I basically teach. Just be fucking conscious if you can. Simple, timeless advice that is guaranteed to work.

What this situation requires is deescalation. If people here keep escalating, it will get escalated. And that's how war happens, FYI.

War sorta goes against my teachings, in case that wasn't obvious.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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12 minutes ago, AdeptusPsychonautica said:

@Preety_India is a complete embarrassment to this community. When people like myself refer to the cult-like element within this forum, then honestly this is precisely what we are talking about - she is the gift that keeps on giving.

What's with the pettiness?

You call something a cult, people say it's not and you go like "AAhhh that's exactly what a cult member would say"

 

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@Leo Gura  Just briefly, what is your main disagreement with the work of Frank Yang ? Because I feel truth in your teachings and also in his. 

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@AdeptusPsychonautica I do believe you have good intentions, but you are misguided and lack an understanding of the deepest spiritual truths. 

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1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Actually that's not my problem, that your problem.

No mate, its my ammunition.

I have zero problem with users like this. They bake the cake for me, so please don't interpret this comment as me complaining, and these guys are welcome to come test their mettle on my channel anytime.

I am genuinely trying to help you here - Its your bad PR, just like Connor was your bad PR.

Do what you will with that bit of feedback, its your house :)

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It is my first post here although i'm watching this forum for over a year.

I did not want to post anything because i was tired of the silly debates about levels of awakening, permanent or impermanent, meditation vs psychedelics, ego fights. People here need to be more openminded and respect other’s experiences. There isn’t a natural path or way to awakening, because everything is natural, everything is the same substance. I feel that everything you imagine that helps you, it helps you. Meditation is imaginary as is a psychedelic. You need to understand that is useless to debate over personal concepts because you are brainwashed since your birth and it keeps happening through authorities.

In reality there are no authorities. Not Jesus, not Budda, not Leo, or whatever name you imagine. Only YOU are authority, so train your direct experience.

I watched the conversation between adeptus and that girl and i also commented. It was a low quality conversation. Instead of preaching the gift of life, their implicit target was Leo. They simply cannot or don't want to understand what is life and they're trying to prevent others from understanding. Adeptus is doing the same thing that he was blaming psymposia did to Martin Ball. Foolish games.

I'm 43 years old and until my 42 i was deeply depressed. I was born in a religious family (Jehovah’s Witnesses), after years of struggling with the cult i became an atheist, then agnostic believing in science. Until an accidental normal dosing of MDMA (i was only micro dosing because i was too afraid) took away everything i was believing in life and all the depression forever. It opened my mind and i started watching videos about meditation (previous diabolic) and psychedelics (previous dangerous drugs). So i found @Leo Gura and i'm thankful because he helped me to change the structure of my thinking and find out myself who am i and what is real. I loved life again.

Awaking is about loving life, loving the dream because there is nowhere else to go. If God wanted to be only nothingness, he wouldn't love this dream so much. Whoever thinks that killing himself is closer to God mode has bought into the illusion. Life is God right now. Zero and Infinity. Always protect and love yourself and your vessel, no need for mahasamandi or crazy amounts of psychedelics. Truth will find you one way or another, because you are truth.

Debates do not help anyone because they serve ego agendas. You can be a great meditator or psychonaut and still be close minded because of your mind's structure. Open your mind.

Thanks, Leo, for bringing this post up and i hope that this forum will become an awakening oasis.

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7 hours ago, Preety_India said:

Don't slander the organisation

There are definitely issues with @Preety_Indias conduct on the forum, I think the main issue is that she's usually strong and wrong which can lure people, Inc myself, into unnecessary debates.

I do feel her heart is in the right place and I think she genuinely does what she thinks is best, but I would urge her to really consider her posts and how they may trigger other people. It also does set a bad example because others have been banned for less, I'm not saying she should be banned at all, but I can understand how some might feel slighted. 

 

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@Leo Gura I have always admired the fact that you are creating your work and giving it to the world for free. Few points on this:

  • The youtube demographic is mostly 13-year-old kids. Kids are "highly" influenced by someone who is presenting himself as an authoritative figure and they take all your Words for granted. You have to take this into account when you present very Radical Ideas to the general public because young kids will take your Word and run with it. Giving Radical Truths to 13-year-olds is like putting them in a tank in the middle of the city and expecting not to shoot up the whole town.
  • One of the biggest problems of spiritual work is spiritual bypassing. Students must have the right foundation for life before they proceed with serious spiritual work. When you talk about Radical Ideas, you are basically "tempting" your students to meet you where YOU are at, not where THEY are at. Your style/personality of teaching is very persuasive. Teachings are given at the level of the student, not at the level of the teacher. That is the higher love

I think you have to re-evaluate if Youtube is the right platform for you to teach Radical Truths. You have saved 1000 people from committing suicide, but you have to do everything possible to prevent any unnecessary physical harm to others.

Psychedelics are very powerful tools for the Mind. I completely agree with you on this. But you should not advertise as the only tool. Few points on this:

  • Before taking psychedelics, people must do at least a few years of basic spiritual work(meditation, self-inquiry, contemplation, breathing, etc) and they should know enough deep metaphysics to recontextualize their psychedelic experience. Saying there is a "magic pill" that will give you the answers to life, the universe, and Everything is immature. For you Leo, it works like a "magic pill" because you tend to forget the years of hard work/suffering that you have put into your work of deconstructing yourself. For those that have not done the WORK, "magic pills" do NOT exist.
  • Connor should teach you that giving psychedelics to an overly developed Ego will lead to psychosis. Connor spent years on YouTube inflating his Ego, and few months doing psychedelics to deconstruct the Ego. He is advertising himself as your student because your students should know what NOT to do. People should not take psychedelics before they are ready to do so. And when they do take psychedelics, they should do it responsibly.

I am immensely grateful to you for all the work you have done and shared with the world.

Much love.

 

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