Soonhei (Member of this community) killed himself to experience Conscious Death. :-(

[Dodo]

7 minutes ago, Spiritzz said:

I don't know what exactly happened leading to this. I do know myself someone who thinks about suicide a lot.

If someone is 100% set on doing it , you can't stop it. But in a lot of cases there is a window of opportunity in which you can talk about it. Somebody at the moment of thinking about it, has lost all hope and thinks the pain will go on forever.  Which are probably distorted ideas. Ending it all , ends the pain. Jordan Peterson has some motivational talk about this I remember. On this forum I would mention a helpline. These people know what they are doing. 

Men are 4 times more likely to successfully do this. I think this is because it is hard to talk about things in which they are not successful.

Im not saying the forum is the cause. I do think you can expect people who have suicidal ideas to come to this forum, so you better know a bit if you are the forumcreator.

 

The thing is you are talking in general, when in this case the person was not in suffering. He did it for the opposite reason. He wanted to use the fact that he is conscious/aware and make sure to die consciously and with high spirits... Perhaps he thought that it will give him a door towards eternal life, and he probably thought if he didn't do it, he might die unconsciously by mistake and miss it. This is what I gather from all this... 

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, Spiritzz said:

Im not saying the forum is the cause. I do think you can expect people who have suicidal ideas to come to this forum, so you better know a bit if you are the forumcreator.

We regularly talk people down from suicide if they come to us and tell us explicitly that they wish to commit suicide. I spent 1 hour last week talking down Connor Murphy because he emailed me and told me he wants to kill himself. Then I discovered he was just trolling me.

So that is not the issue. The issue is that SoonHei did not explicitly say he wants to commit suicide. He alluded to it in vague, cheerful, and poetic ways -- and it's hard to spot that when we deal with hundreds of messages and posts every week.

The problem with suicide threats is that they are often trolling attempts for attention. This makes it difficult to distinguish who is serious and who is not. Depressive and mentally unstable people tend to threaten suicide a lot even when they don't really mean it. I used to have an ex-girlfriend who did that, and she was sometimes shocked when I called the suicide hotline for her. She treated it as a manipulation tactic to get sympathy and love. Don't forget how twisted and deceptive some people can be. And then on top of it they can get upset when you call the suicide hotline on them. The bottom line is that suicide prevention is not our job here. We do it only as a last resort when there is no other choice, but for that we need to be clearly aware the person is suicidal.

[Yali]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Then  I discovered his was just trolling me.

why would he troll about something like that?  @Leo Gura

Edited May 20, 2021 by Yali

[Epikur]

RIP

People will not believe that suicide is bad. It sounds like suicide is bad because we are not allowed to call it good but in reality you are god so wink wink.....

Edited May 20, 2021 by Epikur

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Yali said:

why would he troll about something like that? @Leo Gura

Because he's literally an insane attention whore.

You have to understand that not everyone here is an honest actor. People here come to spam, troll, clickbait, hijack the community, start their own cults, spread ideologies, seek attention, act out their egos, vent their shadows, etc.

[UDT]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Because he's literally an insane attention whore.

Lmao yea & its the only way he make his bank

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Yali said:

@Leo Gura so he's not suicidal?

just seems like a stupid thing to troll about

He may get suicidal at some point, but he was certainly trolling me. He had no intention to kill himself at all.

One of the reasons I didn't even take SoonHei's case seriously here is because I was sick of getting trolled by Connor just a week ago and I was dealing with all his bullshit.

[Yali]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

He may get suicidal at some point

does he have mental health issues?

looks like he does, but does he really?

[Preety_India]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The problem with suicide threats is that they are often trolling attempts for attention.

But keep in mind that not everyone does it for attention 

This is the kind of thinking that prevents people who are genuinely suicidal from seeking help 

Often times I felt like people would think I'm attention seeking if I told them that I was suicidal.

Meh!

 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Yali said:

does he have mental health issues?

looks like he does, but does he really?

He is bipolar and he was confined to a mental institution.

[Leo Gura]

18 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

But keep in mind that not everyone does it for attention 

This is the kind of thinking that prevents people who are genuinely suicidal from seeking help 

Often times I felt like people would think I'm attention seeking if I told them that I was suicidal.

Meh!

That is the whole problem. It takes a lot of time and energy to sort the truth from the games.

Our resources on this forum are limited. This is not designed to be a full-service shop. This is suppose to be a casual place for basic Q&A and socialization. We are not equipped to deal with serious mental health issues here.

If I had a way to filtering out mentally unstable people from joining this forum, I would do so. Because it is not my job to work with such people. But such filtering is impossible.

[Yali]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

He is bipolar and he was confined to a mental institution.

@Leo Gura

because of psychedelics? 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Yali said:

@Leo Gura

because of psychedelics? 

I don't know the details. Connor lies so much that it's hard to tell what is true about him. Suffice it to say he's got serious issues which probably existed for a long time.

[Surfingthewave]

@Leo Gura

Do you think after this has happened you and the mods should have more suicide prevention training and/or have a dedicated specialist dealing with this? 

 

[Yali]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Connor lies so much 

why did he lie to you?

[Raptorsin7]

@Surfingthewave That seems like something that is far beyond the scope of this website. This place isn't a mental health institution 

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Surfingthewave said:

@Leo Gura

Do you think after this has happened you and the mods should have more suicide prevention training and/or have a dedicated specialist dealing with this?

That is not feasible and that will not be happening.

I made a decision a few years ago when I updated the disclaimers to the Forum Guidelines that we are not in the business of suicide prevention or mental healthcare. Nor will we be entering that business.

This forum's purpose is to be a casual place for chit-chat. This forum is a tiny part of my job and it eats up way too much time and energy as it is. I spend more time policing this forum that I do on any other aspect of Actualized.org -- just to keep the devilry in check. This is precisely why I never started a large organization or spiritual commune. The idea was to keep things small and simple and casual.

In the future I may remove every social aspect of Actualized.org entirely. No comments, no forum. Just videos. Because that is the core of what I do. I am not a babysitter. I am a researcher. And we don't have any corporate team here.

[tuckerwphotography]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, to understand this you would have to become conscious of what "other" is.

You might be shocked to discover that "other" is your own imagination.

@Leo Gura I guess the question is whether the "other" as a figment of God's imagination can experience suffering outside of the direct experience that is right here right now. Or the simpler question, is there anything other than what's right here right now? From how I've understood your teachings as well as my own insights via psychedelics, the answer is perhaps no. But I could see how that knowledge could lead to some twisted places, or at least twisted in the construct of what society deems to be twisted. Or twisted in how the ego hijacks this absolute truth and uses it to reorient life in a sociopathic way. Please let me know if I'm misunderstanding something.

[The0Self]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This is precisely why I never started a large organization or spiritual commune.

?

Well, I think you made the right choice!

Imagine the potential horrors of those options...

Not to mention, has a spiritual commune ever ended well? Like, ever? Maybe I’m wrong about that, but if true, I sort of doubt you’d be the very first to successfully pull it off.

All things considered, you’ve done extremely well with actualized.org, in my estimation.

[Etherial Cat]

@Leo Gura

Maybe what could be done is to add as a function a button to report death related threads or posts that looks from mildly suspicious to straight out creepy.

And with it could come an automatic dm in the user's box, with warnings, directions and disclaimers.