Leo Gura

Spiral Dynamics Stage Red Examples Mega-Thread

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Thing's escalated to red there. But the ending ain't red. They just pinned him down. 


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God damn how can people be so cruel?.. Absolutely no empathy whatsoever for those poor snakes.

This is just plain cruelty under the guise of population control.

 

Not to speak of these people letting their children smear their handprints on the walls with fucking snake blood, they just desensitize their children towards animal cruelty.

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I get most of SD but I don't understand the transitions between the earlier stages as much. They seem a bit more ambiguous to me than Orange to Green for example. 

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7 hours ago, tomlite770 said:

I get most of SD but I don't understand the transitions between the earlier stages as much. They seem a bit more ambiguous to me than Orange to Green for example. 

Ask yourself what happens when the stage reaches its peak. The evolutionary impetus, the human desire to expand endlessly is a strong force and is the main driver behind SD development. The defining characteristic behind all spiral development is "transcend and include"; a process of integration (Wilber).

Red arises when the survival prospects of the Purple tribe is maximized. Historically, this mostly started happening after the agricultural revolution. Energy that was earlier spent on survival now goes towards questioning current tribal values and taboos. This allows individuals to develop a sense of individuality, by questioning their relationship to the collective, and the egocentric self is born.

These societies are also more able to more accumulate resources and expand their influence, and this leads to conflict of interests with other tribes. At Red, this is solved through domination of the opposition. Everything is about the power of the individual (the society is ruled by a strong leader). This is how empires are formed.

Over time, as different tribes expand and clash with eachother, the level of conflict and carnage reaches unbearable levels, and this opens up for the need to again unite people under a set of common values, like in Stage Purple, but in a way that transcends different tribes; a higher purpose, a set of transcendent principles, ideology, dogma: 

Enter Stage Blue structures like organized religion and nationalism. These structures contain values that serve to tame the excesses of the impulsive and egocentric Stage Red: values like law and order, morality, discipline. The society again flips over to collectivism, and now different people from different tribes can co-exist with eachother relatively peacefully as long as they share the same transcendent principles (being apart of the same "meta-tribe").

Stage Orange sees the limitations of Blue dogma and recapitulates the historical expansion seen in Red, but instead of merely ramping up conflict through unhinged egocentrism, there arises a new set of higher principles: values based on the individual's own ability to reason (rationality). So you still got transcendent principles, but they're individualistic instead of collectivistic. Concepts like freedom and individual rights are Stage Orange values born out of rationality.

This new-found individualistic desire to expand leads to the strenghtening of structures that parallel Stage Red empires on a higher-order level: conventional institutions, companies, corporations, and syndicates, which sole purpose is to perpetuate a set of higher principles (ideology), or generate wealth and financially dominate other competitors (capitalism).

Summarized, Stage purple has the tribe as the highest meaning, Stage Red has the self as the highest meaning, Stage Blue finds a higher meaning than the self, and Stage Orange puts rationality and individual freedoms as the highest meaning.

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This is the most toxic and cruel stage red shit I've ever come across, wtf... 

Violence overload and sexual abuse beyond comprehension. This is insane, absolutely and completely. 

You really have to be Jesus to love the people who did this. 


"Love is all that I can give to you ❤ Love is more than just a game for two!"

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JErVP6xLZwg 

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Leo Gura when he sees someone denying nonduality on his forum:

 


''To be happy we must not be too concerned with others''.

Albert Camus

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"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

 

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Anabolic-androgenic steroids ("AAS") can be tools to gain respect and admiration from others and to earn self-respect as soon as possible.

AAS (i.e., male sex hormones) are not all Red--just as female hormones (e.g., oral contraceptives) are not all Red. Many steroid-using physique competitors and bodybuilders calculate the risk of their male hormone use with extensive scientific knowledge. Of course, Physicians also use AAS in medicine (e.g., for burn victims).

However, depending on the urgency of a person's need to integrate Red values to survive, I suggest that AAS can potentially integrate Red values and perspectives. For example, if an abusive workplace tears down the last shreds of a person's self-respect—anabolic steroids might be the magical talisman of the hero’s journey.

"Dr. Tony Huge" is an example of heavily Red values and ways of thinking (e.g., risky human experimentation, sex counts, blingy chains, and unbridled ego). However, Tony Huge also facilitates higher values and ways of thinking (e.g., the use of psychedelics, information from many sources, and systematic protest against information-censorship).

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Red can inspire with their ruthless bravery!


"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

 

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Not saying this guy is RED, but hes very in touch with the balls to the wall thrill-seeking value that RED looks up to. 


"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

 

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