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Debunking Solipsism confusion All is one in a positive way

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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I am your own consciousness.

Yes, you will imagine it to be so, and so it will appear to you.

That's what "stab you in the eye" means. It means you're imagining an other who is getting stabbed by an imaginary you.

Obviously you're imagining my body and my pain.

What's less obvious is that you are also imagining your body. If you pay close attention you can notice that right now you are imagining your heart. You have no heart until we cut your chest open, at which point you will imagine a heart there, and it will appear. << This is what we call reality.

And thus the illusion of reality is created. You imagine everything at precisely the moment it is needed to render the illusion. A video game engine does not render anything other than those pixels necessary to create the current frame.

Why would God waste its time creating things it cannot see?? In fact, the problem runs even deeper: it is impossible for God to do that because God is omniscient. So God cannot hide from its own awareness. Anything God creates must be fully accessible to it at all times. If a coffee table had a backside, God would have to be aware of it. So if God wants to see a coffee table from one angle, it must create only that face of the coffee table and nothing else.

You got it :D

Okay, so quite literally whatever my awareness is on is the only thing that exists? This increasingly makes sense to me because of psychedelic experiences and understanding sciences like qp and neuroscience. But there’s one thing that I struggle with most and can’t seem to reconcile: if I fly over to Vegas and actually stab you in the eye, you’ll report your subjective experience. Yet you say that I’m just imagining some body with a mind (which is a concept on top of the body’s visual appearance). So that subjectivity that you report to me; all the awakenings that you have, I don’t have access to any of it. So what is that?
 

Basically, how do you reconcile the imagination of others with their reports of having subjective experience? 

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58 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Leo Gura 

I talk here from limited human form perspective in this relative world:  what is when two imaginated people look at the coffee table at the same time, the one from the frontside the other from the backside, the coffee table has then a backside in this moment because one of them is aware of the backside. Correct?

No, not correct.

You're imagining people, self, other, and the other's mind.

There is only you looking at the coffee table and imagining the other looking at it. In this case, the coffee table still only has one side.

If you ask the other person to describe another side of the coffee table, you will hear some words, but the coffee table will still only have one side.

To be even more precisely, there is not even a "you" looking at the side of a coffee table. There is only the side of the coffee table without a "you" who is "looking". "You" and "looking" are already an illusions of the ego.

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And what about the corona virus? this should not exist for me because I as limited human am not aware of it. Therefore it should not be there. But I can still die from it.

But it DOES exist for you because you're imagining viruses, atoms, molecules, immune systems, etc.

Imagination is extremely complex. It's as complex as reality itself. You don't have to literally see a virus for it to affect you because it affects you in many ways besides through vision.

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And what about the internet, no one is aware of it right now but it still functions if you open a website.

So there is something behind the scene which I as limited human being am not aware of. Correct?

There is nothing behind the scene. Ask yourself why a behind the scene is necessary? It's totally extraneous. Everything that exists is PRECISELY what it appears.


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11 minutes ago, Free Mind said:

Okay, so quite literally whatever my awareness is on is the only thing that exists?

Why you asking me? Take a look at what is true.

Truth does not depend on my authority or word. It's right there before your eyes. Why are you asking me instead of looking with your eyes? I am less reliable than your eyes. I could be lying to you, but your eyes are showing you Absolutely what is the case.

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This increasingly makes sense to me because of psychedelic experiences and understanding sciences like qp and neuroscience. But there’s one thing that I struggle with most and can’t seem to reconcile: if I fly over to Vegas and actually stab you in the eye, you’ll report your subjective experience. Yet you say that I’m just imagining some body with a mind (which is a concept on top of the body’s visual appearance). So that subjectivity that you report to me; all the awakenings that you have, I don’t have access to any of it. So what is that?

That is your imagination. You imagine my awakenings.

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Basically, how do you reconcile the imagination of others with their reports of having subjective experience? 

Other isn't real! Self isn't real either. Subjectivity isn't real either. Everything you see, is Absolute Truth. There is nothing but Absolute Truth. The ego mind has simply mistaken it for a human experience. You need to play this game otherwise you cannot be a human.

The way God becomes human is by imagining that it is having a subjective experience and others are too.

The fundamental problem is that you imagine that you were ever born as a human. That's a fiction. You were not born. You've always been this moment now.

It's a mindfuck.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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Posted (edited)

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No, not correct.

You're imagining people, self, other, and the other's mind.

You as absolute God? Or you as limited form God with an ego? Please clarify

 

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But it DOES exist for you because you're imagining viruses, atoms, molecules, immune systems, etc.

You as absolute God? Or you as limited form God with an ego? Please clarify

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1 minute ago, OBEler said:

You as God? Or you as limited form? Please clarify

God is like an empty canvas on which all form is painted. Your true nature is that entire canvas. But right now you only know yourself to be a figure drawn on the canvas.


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@Leo Gura Ok if I understand you correctly you want to say You as God.

So this limited figure on the canvas did not create the corona virus, the canvas (absolute God) did it. So the canvas creates a limited figure with other limited figures and corona and they dont know about corona virus and did not create it because they are limited. But god created corona and experiences every little corona virus therefore corona exists outside of limited figures at the same time and it interacts with the figures. Right?  Hope I finally got it

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This is such tedious bullshit of mental masturbation.

There is a backside, we can be aware of it in fullness even if it's doesn't appear in perception. The rendering of the 'game' as the appearance still has all the1s and 0s so to speak that create it even if they aren't apparent from the perspective we view from, seen and unseen are relative.

Reality is 'rendered' and we interact with it in our imagination yet in awareness we can transcend just the appearance of it to be aware of the whole. Why would 'god' create what we don't perceive is not the question, it's why do we limit 'god' to what we perceive at the moment?

We can't see our asshole but we can be aware of it, the backside exists even if from our perspective it doesn't appear to us. Releasing the attachment to just our perspective in imagination is the same as releasing the attachment to self and allows us to be aware of the holistic expression of unity, of infinite  'god' if you must.

Yet, the yearning to see it is what hides it from view, the mental masturbating about this is trying to seek the 'completion' is not being aware of already being complete. Once one stops trying to see it, to understand it and simply be aware, in presence of being all is revealed in the fulfillment of well being.

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13 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Leo Gura Ok if I understand you correctly you want to say You as God.

Yes

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So this limited figure on the canvas did not create the corona virus, the canvas (absolute God) did it. So the canvas creates a limited figure with other limited figures and corona and they dont know about corona virus. But god knows and experience every little corona virus therefore corona exists outside of limited figures at the same time. Right? 

No, for fuck's sake man, there is nothing outside the present moment. This bubble of the room you're in is ALL THERE IS.

It's stupidly simple. Yet you keep trying to imagine some hidden mechanism. God is not anything but the room you are in.


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A zen-story:

"Whenever anyone asked him about Zen, the great master Gutei would quietly raise one finger into the air. A boy in the village began to imitate this behavior. Whenever he heard people talking about Gutei's teachings, he would interrupt the discussion and raise his finger.

Gutei heard about the boy's mischief. When he saw him in the street, he seized him and cut off his finger. The boy cried and began to run off, but Gutei called out to him. When the boy turned to look, Gutei raised his finger into the air. At that moment the boy became enlightened."

 

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6 minutes ago, SOUL said:

We can't see our asshole but we can be aware of it

If you aware of it, then obviously it exists then. But as soon as you're not aware of it, it doesn't exist.

You have no asshole until you think you do.

Your asshole appears precisely as it is needed.

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the backside exists even if from our perspective it doesn't appear to us.

No! You imagine that.

And there is no US, only YOU!


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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1 minute ago, roopepa said:

A zen-story:

"Whenever anyone asked him about Zen, the great master Gutei would quietly raise one finger into the air. A boy in the village began to imitate this behavior. Whenever he heard people talking about Gutei's teachings, he would interrupt the discussion and raise his finger.

Gutei heard about the boy's mischief. When he saw him in the street, he seized him and cut off his finger. The boy cried and began to run off, but Gutei called out to him. When the boy turned to look, Gutei raised his finger into the air. At that moment the boy became enlightened."

And people complain that I am radical.

Hehehe...


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@Leo Gura  I'm aware you're unaware of it as your reply indicates but your unawareness of it doesn't limit my awareness of it...maybe eventually you will awaken to that.

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1 minute ago, SOUL said:

@Leo Gura  I'm aware you're unaware of it as your reply indicates but your unawareness of it doesn't limit my awareness of it...maybe eventually you will awaken to that.

You ain't Awake.

You are lost in your own imagination, talking to yourself.


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@Leo Gura Ok....if you imagine it that way.

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@Leo Gura So what you are saying is I am imagining you completely. There is no your POV and my POV existing simultaniously and overlapping eachother. Because if there were Leo's POV I would have to be aware of it since I am God, and therefore absolutely omniscient. All you are is a sophisticated character I have dreamed up doing all this deep work that is helping me become aware of what I am? 

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@Leo Gura you are always talking from the God perspective. I try to talk from the limited human perspective as I know it. I know that at the end everything is God and my whole room is god. Your room is also god. And you are me. But still I can say if I take the limited illusional human perspective there exist two rooms (Leos room and mine room) right now. It is not true at the end because everything is one but from the limited illusional perspective you can say that at least.

 

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12 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Leo Gura l I can say if I take the limited illusional human perspective there exist two rooms (Leos room and mine room) right now. It is not true at the end because everything is one but from the limited illusional perspective you can say that at least.

 

Leo's room is in your imagination.   Whatever you see in your direct experience is all that there is - period.   Stop there.  Everything beyond that is concept and imagination.  Because you are God.  God is right where it needs to be.


"It's Just Consciousness.  It's just You.  It was always you!"

 

 

 

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This is only possible if we are living in multiple realities/universes. What I guess it's possible since quantum physics has already considered this.

 

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11 minutes ago, Esoteric said:

@Leo Gura So what you are saying is I am imagining you completely. There is no your POV and my POV existing simultaniously and overlapping eachother. Because if there were Leo's POV I would have to be aware of it since I am God, and therefore absolutely omniscient. All you are is a sophisticated character I have dreamed up doing all this deep work that is helping me become aware of what I am? 

Contemplate this: what is the difference between me being real vs you imagining me?

That difference itself has no ground.

There is absolutely zero difference between anything, unless you imagine otherwise.

It's far more radical than you guys are thinking. You are still treating Awakening as solipsism. It is not! It is God! And what is God? You don't know since you ain't Awake yet.

11 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Leo Gura you are always talking from the God perspective. I try to talk from the limited human perspective as I know it.

Yes, because my job it to help you Awaken. If I was trying to fool you, I'd take your perspective. But you already have yourself fooled, so I don't need to double down on that.

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I know that at the end everything is God and my whole room is god. Your room is also god. And you are me. But still I can say if I take the limited illusional human perspective there exist two rooms (Leos room and mine room) right now. It is not true at the end because everything is one but from the limited illusional perspective you can say that at least.

Sorry, but you are not even 1% close to getting what God or Awakening is.

Take a psychedelic. This is a waste of time.


You are God. You are Love. You are Infinity. You are Leo.

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