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@Leo Gura You mentioned you are planning a psychedelic retreat soon?  Are you going use DPT as your choice of psychedelic and see how much deeper you can go using it?

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I've taken DPT 3 times at proper doses, insufflated, I think it was 30mg, 45mg and 60mg. I've also taken it a few (maybe 3-4 times?) at lower doses in the 10-20mg range insuffl.

The 60mg trip was really heavy duty. I definitely wouldn't say I've ever had a DPT breakthrough however.

I've tried vapourizing it using the baking soda freebase method, and also tried vaping the HCl or fumarate (forget which salt I have). I never really liked those methods, the smell and taste of the vapour really weirds me out, and especially trying to vape the HCl/fumarate is really nasty because it burns too easily. I don't recommend vaping, but I'm a bit averse to vaping in general so it could just be me.

My impressions of the character of DPT, from my handful of trials. YMMV of course:

  • DPT is extremely visionary. Lots of archetypal, narrative content. Personas, ghosts in the machine, nonhuman egos
  • It's a bit of a bridge to the spirit world, shadow side, psychological depths, subconscious mind
  • Hard to explain this part but I remember it has made me aware of consciousnesses, or the possibility of consciousnesses, or quasi-consciousnesses at different scales from our own.
  • It's less on the fractal geometric vision stuff you get from higher doses of drugs like mushrooms, DMT, or LSD. 
  • It might be the most astounding music enhancer I've had. Compared to 5-MeO-DMT, it's like night and day in this regard.
  • Time slows down in the extreme. 
  • I believe it stimulates the andregernic system directly or indirectly. At least this is how it feels to me. I feel on high alert and sneaky on the drug, like a cat on the prowl
  • It has a lot of body energy, vibration, even tremors. I usually have to lie down on my back during the peak in order to work with it. It would be interesting to try very dynamic movement during the peak, but not really sure if I could handle that.
  • This is not a beginner's psychedelic at all IMO. This is an advanced black belt psychedelic. If you've never taken a psychedelic, or have only had a handful of trips, I would not recommend it. It's as advanced as 5-MeO-DMT, if not more.

I haven't touched it for about 3-4 years now, it would be interesting to revisit it. I'll contribute here if I do.


How to get to infinity? Divide by zero.

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@outlandish How experienced we talking? I have:

I've done up to 1500ug of lsd and had like 30 or so trips. Briefly tried dmt, didn't breakthrough but it blew my lsd trips out of the water. 

I can't fathom 5-meo or dpt

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4 hours ago, AlterEgo said:

@Leo Gura You mentioned you are planning a psychedelic retreat soon?  Are you going use DPT as your choice of psychedelic and see how much deeper you can go using it?

I found something even better ;)


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I found something even better ;)

LOL, just when we get DPT we find out there's another xD 

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@Leo Gura Regarding your health, did you manage to totally heal your thyroid problems, chronic fatigue and other ailments? Or was the healing effect more temporary and the issues start to reemerge after a few days, weeks pass from DPT  or other psychedelic use? 

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32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I found something even better ;)

Jesus christ! Psychedelic research done by regular citizens is the most fascinating thing happening in the world right now :D. Actualized.org blazing the trail ahead! 

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19 minutes ago, halo said:

LOL, just when we get DPT we find out there's another xD 

its just like the military, what is being released today is already obsolete to the global elite.:ph34r:

 

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@outlandish Thanks for sharing.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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If you vaporize this does it come on too quickly similar DMT?

I've smoked DMT and 5meo-dmt multiple times and I actually enjoy how quickly it comes on

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@herghly Anything vaped will hit you like a freight train.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The person sitting next to you will cease to be person long before your hand turns into a tentacle.

If you do large enough doses you could probably experience your hand as a tentacle, but then it will shift back. Like it could in a dream. Stop thinking of your dreams as unreal. They are as real as the physical world. So all that crazy stuff you are able to do in your dreams is God imagining new realities.

Isn't the connection between the dream state, sobre state and psychedelic state also a part of how God is structured? How do you understand this? For example if someone killed your body in one dimension, how would is affect the other ones, what would happen to the soul?

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13 minutes ago, bejapuskas said:

Isn't the connection between the dream state, sobre state and psychedelic state also a part of how God is structured? How do you understand this? For example if someone killed your body in one dimension, how would is affect the other ones, what would happen to the soul?

I never practiced astral projection, but it is supposedly possible to harm a person physically by harming their astral body.

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@Leo Gura does my room walls exist if I'm not looking at them? Sometimes I wonder what's the point of all the info psychedelic trips gives you if relative day to day reality still operates as it used to, people still need to eat, shit and do whatever they do. It just seems it has no practical side to it other than giving you new beliefs (but at least it comes from your direct experience..). You say there are no physical laws, but how could there not be, if I jump from building I will certainly die or cripple myself, well other people have done it and it happened for them, are you saying I'm imagining all that? I'm just a bit disappointed in psychedelics, cause when you come down all reality is as it always was, so it seems it does all happen in your brain.. 

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4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I found something even better ;)

Omg. :D When will you tell us?

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49 minutes ago, tsuki said:

I never practiced astral projection, but it is supposedly possible to harm a person physically by harming their astral body.

Whoa :D 

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2 hours ago, Nemo28 said:

@Leo Gura does my room walls exist if I'm not looking at them?

It doesn't even exist when you're looking at it.

Rooms. Walls. Existence. Leo. Looking... << all of that is imaginary.

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Sometimes I wonder what's the point of all the info psychedelic trips gives you if relative day to day reality still operates as it used to, people still need to eat, shit and do whatever they do. It just seems it has no practical side to it other than giving you new beliefs (but at least it comes from your direct experience..).

The point is immortality. Very practical to understand that birth and death and suffering are imaginary.

BTW, practicality is imaginary too.

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You say there are no physical laws, but how could there not be, if I jump from building I will certainly die or cripple myself, well other people have done it and it happened for them, are you saying I'm imagining all that?

Yes, you are imagining all of that.

It sounds incredible because you actually believe there is something called "reality". There is not. There is only the reality you imagine.

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I'm just a bit disappointed in psychedelics, cause when you come down all reality is as it always was, so it seems it does all happen in your brain.. 

Only because you have barely started the process of awakening. It goes far beyond anything you can imagine. All of reality will collapse if you go deep enough. But you are too scared to go that deep. You are not willing to surrender your whole life yet.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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Can you take this psychedelic as an absolute beginner? If you dose it low I mean. Its legal in my country. I am tempted. Is there any substance you can take if you get a bad trip with DPT? I've heard there is stuff you can take to minimize experienced fear or something.

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51 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It doesn't even exist when you're looking at it.

Rooms. Walls. Existence. Leo. Looking... << all of that is imaginary.

The point is immortality. Very practical to understand that birth and death and suffering are imaginary.

BTW, practicality is imaginary too.

Yes, you are imagining all of that.

It sounds incredible because you actually believe there is something called "reality". There is not. There is only the reality you imagine.

Only because you have barely started the process of awakening. It goes far beyond anything you can imagine. All of reality will collapse if you go deep enough. But you are too scared to go that deep. You are not willing to surrender your whole life yet.

Thanks for answering! :) Part of me what you're saying knows this to be true, but this seems too radical to accept I guess, since it's too contradictory to my "normal" experience of the world.. 

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40 minutes ago, Joscha said:

Can you take this psychedelic as an absolute beginner? If you dose it low I mean. Its legal in my country. I am tempted. Is there any substance you can take if you get a bad trip with DPT? I've heard there is stuff you can take to minimize experienced fear or something.

Yeah Leo has talked about this a lot, you can take small amounts of ANY psychedelic and you should be able to handle it 😁. The problem is dosing too high, too quickly.

Try searching the forum bar for keywords in your question. Should be able to find a lot more info. 

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