The DPT Mega-Thread

[Leo Gura]

31 minutes ago, Shadowraix said:

Your silentness towards mentions of dpt had me speculating but now it is confirmed. 

I think you've seen a lot of my posts, do you think I could handle this? I pursue truth but I won't deny the importance of working up to it 

I have no idea. That decision is on you.

27 minutes ago, Enlightenment said:

@Leo Gura A while ago I've written:   

And you responded:

 

Sounds like I was being too flip. Sorry.

I don't know what I don't know

I am fallible. Which is why direct experience is king.

My impressions of DPT were highly distorted by the negative nightmarish trip reports I read. I was very shocked to discover DPT was very pleasant for me.

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So now I'm more confident this was actually God people are talking about

Well of course ego-death is God. It's just a question of how deeply you penetrate it. Sometimes its shallow, sometimes its very deep.

God has many layers to it. You also want to experience that the ordinary sensory world is God too, not just formlessness.

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I disagree, it's much much closer to snorting and BTW snorting dosages on psyhonautwiki are too strong, 200mg snorted would be absolutle INSANITY

You would not want to plug PsychonautWiki's snorting dosages. That would be INSANITY.

Their smoked dosages are accurate for plugging is what I meant. I have not smoked DPT so I don't know about what the best smoking dosages are. Sounds like starting low is a good idea.

[Leo Gura]

@Esoteric That's very odd. I did not experience anything dark like that.

I suspect that my DPT trips may be strongly influenced by prior 5-MeO-DMT breakthroughs. So basically all I get is pure nondual consciousness, not some occult hellscape.

To me DPT is a bit like a cross between 5-MeO-DMT and mushrooms.

[Esoteric]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

@Esoteric That's very odd. I did not experience anything like that.

I suspect that my DPT trips may be strongly influenced by prior 5-MeO-DMT breakthroughs. So basically all I get is pure nondual consciousness, not some visual hellscape.

That's probably it.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Esoteric said:

That's probably it.

But other people also report positive nondual experiences like this guy:

https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Experience:10mg_%26_20mg_Intravenous_DPT_HCl_-_Familiar_Shapes,_Experiencing_Death,_Immersed_in_The_Light

I doubt he took 5-MeO-DMT before.

[Psychonaut]

Does DPT create thoughts and parallel realititties or are you in control of it? Fe. LSD and weed can sometimes create thoughts that are not true. 

 

[Leo Gura]

@Esoteric I also think a lot of people dose too high, thus their trips become totally out of control.

I tend to dose moderately to avoid that.

If I doubled my dose, yeah, it might turn into a hellscape at some point. Mushrooms have taught me the hard way not to do that.

[Esoteric]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

But other people also report positive nondual experiences like this guy:

https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Experience:10mg_%26_20mg_Intravenous_DPT_HCl_-_Familiar_Shapes,_Experiencing_Death,_Immersed_in_The_Light

I doubt he took 5-MeO-DMT before.

Yeah, all my non-dual experiences have been positive as well. And far from every trip had "dark" qualities.

Yeah, honestly I still don't know what to make of it. It's like no other thing.

[Esoteric]

I don't know shit. I think that's the big lesson

Edited June 22, 2019 by Esoteric

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Psychonaut said:

Does DPT create thoughts and parallel realititties or are you in control of it? Fe. LSD and weed can sometimes create thoughts that are not true.

I don't know what parallel realities means. To me there is only one reality and one consciousness which imagines everything else.

At moderate doses I could control it pretty well in a non-egotistical way. I could use my intention to guide me. That was nice. I could for example use my intention to heal myself or to contemplate a topic I was interested in.

At higher doses I'd imagine you'd lose control and it would turn into insanity.

I find that mushrooms can produces some delusional thoughts. But DPT is not like that for me. DPT is very true in my experience. When you are in the Absolute it is totally self-validating. It cannot have any external frames of reference. You just magically know that it's absolutely true. It is an understanding beyond ordinary human thoughts. It's like the understanding of God himself.

[Curiousobserver]

The substance, tool or how Bashar masterfully puts: " Permission slips" that we are drawn to, work best for you but not for everyone else . I do not believe in one thing or method works best for all, nevertheless i am glad it wasn't Adrenochrome.

[Leo Gura]

I am interested to hear from other people who are able to use DPT in a positive nondual way like me. Then maybe we can get a better understanding of what we all have in common.

[Psychonaut]

So I know 5-Meo-DMT, 2-CB and LSD.

How does DPT compare to those? I didn't really get it from watching the video.

It's been over a year since I last did 5-MeO-DMT. From what I remember it just removed me from the equation and threw me into a watching state. I also often threw up on it, which felt relieving. Some unfolding of reality, were parts were slowly falling away until there was nothing left and then it got put back together piece for piece.

So DPT is longer, has a different energy and will also take me into a similar state as 5-MeO-DMT with me still somehow being there and being able to think those healing thoughts?

[Shadowraix]

@Leo Gura that's fair. I'll try it within this year and reply here what I think. I used to run a drug education discord server and one guy was really into dpt. Left me curious ever since. 

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, Psychonaut said:

So DPT is longer, has a different energy and will also take me into a similar state as 5-MeO-DMT with me still somehow being there and being able to think those healing thoughts?

I cannot speak for you.

For me, it's similar to 5-MeO-DMT in that it creates a state of total nondual consciousness, but then I'm also able to use my mind to contemplate whatever interests me and guide the trip in that direction. It's got a vibratory body energy more so than 5-MeO and it's more visual like a low dose of mushrooms. At higher doses the visuals will become more serious. I did not get serious visuals at 50mg.

It lasts almost exactly twice as long. Which is awesome for contemplating. 5-MeO never quite lasts long enough for me.

For me 2C-B has a terrible heavy body load. I don't enjoy that. LSD also tends to make my body feel uncomfortably alien. I enjoy the body feel of DPT more. 5-MeO-DMT probably has the least body feel of them all for me, which is nice.

It's hard to definitely say that DPT is better than 5-MeO-DMT. I love them both. Both have something unique to offer. Both deserve to be at the top.

[Girzo]

It's super-easy to contemplate on DPT, but not so easy to breakthrough. It's benign in nature, but bodyload can get uncomfortable (snorting RoA contributes to it).

Reasonable dosage range for snorting is 40-60 mg, haven't gone higher because it's already a lot of stuff to snort, the powder is very fluffy.

Yet to try plugging.

[Leo Gura]

@Girzo You gotta plug it man. It will be so much pleasanter.

Once you master plugging you'll never snort anything again. Plugging is silky smooth and painless. Snorting stuff is more harsh and the nasal drip distracts from the show.

Snorting N,N-DMT is just terrible. Never again.

[Shadowraix]

@Leo Gura is dpt recitally active as is? I know nn dmt need more conversion processes. To be able to be procesed. 

[Girzo]

It seems so.

I have tried vaporising it using baking soda freebasing method. It's the worst bodyload I have ever experienced.

Very nauseating, naturalistic visuals and experiences of body transformation. Felt like becoming a werewolf.

I wouldn't recommend vaping.

Also ate 130 mg once. Waste of material, not even a threshold dose.

Edited June 22, 2019 by Girzo

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Shadowraix said:

is dpt recitally active as is?

How else could it be?

As far as I know DPT only comes in HCl salt form.

[Shadowraix]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

How else could it be?

I asked because with nn dmt freebase there is apparently a few solutions that make the chemical absortion easier recitally. A more salt solution I think.