Leo Gura

Who's Interested In Conscious Politics?

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31 minutes ago, Aakash said:

@Leo Gura yeah I was thinking so big picture, I didn’t even consider that. Yeah lol, that would actually be a good place to start lol. 

This is why I think the ego is also a good thing, it makes people passionate about a certain duality to dive into and apply to real life. Ofcourse it’s toxic after some point. 

Lol I could apply that same thinking with changing the world as an ego , damned if I do, damned if I don’t as regret! Your actually the reason I didn’t go about doing it already and try changing the world! You basically implied that if your not enlightened you’ll start a cult and to me that translated to if your an ego, you’ll basically be raising a cult! Bruv your actually the reason why I’ve been confused for like 5 months about this now. Ever since you showed me my hood upbringing was cultish and that’s the reason I saw the world as evil from that perspective 

Well, you also don't want to be so paranoid about that that you become paralyzed and don't help the world at all.

You don't have to be perfect to improve the world. That's too high a standard which few people can meet.

Try to help the world as best as you can while being careful not to start a cult or do harm. That's all. Be very self-aware and open to feedback. Be careful with constructing or preaching ideologies. That's where a lot of harm can happen.

26 minutes ago, SerpaeTetra said:

Just run man, you know you want to...not sure how many old people will vote for the guy who thinks he is god though, haha

I have no interest in working in government. I am a lone wolf type. I don't have the temperament for it. Other people do. Bernie Sanders is perfect for that job. Much better than I would ever be. He's passionate about it. He deserves it the most.


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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@Leo Gura alright yeah that makes sense, thanks I needed that. I guess it comes with time when you see the ego as less of a bad thing and more of a part of life for the diverisity of duality to survive and be noticed. 

I know what to do now. I have my life purpose and i should start with your book list and the books about cult dynamics. 

 

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@SerpaeTetra too be honest, he’s better off as a philosopher, that’s exactly perfect. It’s philisophers through history that set presedence for the society we know now. The only issue back in the olden days was philosophy was very deep and intellectual. Not many people had the education standards then to understand and therefore the knowledge of philosophy was only used by someone of aristocrat status, kings would have people interpret it to him by specialist and would act accordingly. Well some anyway, most were barbaric and ego driven. As conscious Action really started in Greece where Alexander the Great allowed for groups to keep their culture. 

The problem was those who did use the philosophy at that given time never saw major changes because mankind was in such a survival state. The average man had no use for philosophy until this day and age. Where money supply is booming and survival needs have been taken care of by society. Giving people time to actually reflect on metaphysical questions. 

So therefore I conclude although Leo’s efforts will be in vain, in his lifetime. Just like all the philosophers before him. It will hit mainstream education in many MANY years to come. As a result, ironically, it’s a job well suited towards him. 

I too, would have done exactly what he is doing, as I’ve told him before and put things together for mainstream society. I contemplated all this stuff way before I knew about actualised.org however after he made the philosophers quote today. I realised my particular ego was always set on action. To reap rewards as well as inspire people. But it’s best suited to what I want ironically. I want to be the guy to go on Fox News for example and say on national tv your all living a lie, I didn’t want to be the guy in the background. This is why I thanked Leo, because he basically saved me 80 years of my life having to research all of this stuff. Watch out Fox News, imma coming for ya claart blud.

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Leo posted here that all (man-made) rights are human constructs.
https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/35707-whos-interested-in-conscious-politics/?page=6#comment-440031

So all man-made laws are mental constructs. And he uses them for himself (mostly after Bernie Sanders-manner) to fight the devils he has in mind. Well, let him do it privately.

But you can't fight diabolical things with human thought constructs. You need the spirit that lives in everything to eliminate the diabolical things, not the limited mind that lives only in Leo or lives only in Bernie or in me. That's why Jesus says God is the law up to the iota. Leo is not the law, Bernie is not, I am not.

Now you are coming into the world, perhaps badly brought up, with limited minds. And this mind gives you images of government, of state, of democracy, with fear and greed.

You know what a constitutional state should be, what a society and what democracy is. And yet you have no clue what this thought is. You think so: I think, so I am - and see a chair. Then you ask, why is the chair if he does not think? That's your pathetic conditioning.

And you unconsciously transfer this conditioning to your life, which of course is just as pathetic.

The solution would be to simply switch off these harmful programs in the brain. Are you sure that you would have even had the idea of government if you hadn't "known" what it is? But you want to know. And then you make it the starting point of your philosophy and all your thinking and push aside the Holy Spirit who dwells everywhere. And then your miserable thinking becomes the Absolute, the Absolute of your social contract, your positivist legal system, your fake democracy, which is of course a huge self-loat. All sparring in the brain.

And then you say. The starting point is 10% or 90% taxes, whatever.
Do you see the Ceasar on your coin? asks Jesus. Go away and don't try me.

What is your right? There is no right, except that of God. 

Such discussions show that you have not understood the emptiness of your own terms. With your words, you are constantly borrowing as "spirit of society" and do not sufficiently understand what Stirner knows to say: "Right is above Me, is absolute, and exists in a higher one"; "With absolute right/law right/law itself passes away; the dominion of the "concept of right" is at the same time extinguished".

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1 hour ago, Aakash said:

@SerpaeTetra too be honest, he’s better off as a philosopher, that’s exactly perfect. It’s philisophers through history that set presedence for the society we know now. The only issue back in the olden days was philosophy was very deep and intellectual. Not many people had the education standards then to understand and therefore the knowledge of philosophy was only used by someone of aristocrat status, kings would have people interpret it to him by specialist and would act accordingly. Well some anyway, most were barbaric and ego driven. As conscious Action really started in Greece where Alexander the Great allowed for groups to keep their culture. 

The problem was those who did use the philosophy at that given time never saw major changes because mankind was in such a survival state. The average man had no use for philosophy until this day and age. Where money supply is booming and survival needs have been taken care of by society. Giving people time to actually reflect on metaphysical questions. 

So therefore I conclude although Leo’s efforts will be in vain, in his lifetime. Just like all the philosophers before him. It will hit mainstream education in many MANY years to come. As a result, ironically, it’s a job well suited towards him. 

I too, would have done exactly what he is doing, as I’ve told him before and put things together for mainstream society. I contemplated all this stuff way before I knew about actualised.org however after he made the philosophers quote today. I realised my particular ego was always set on action. To reap rewards as well as inspire people. But it’s best suited to what I want ironically. I want to be the guy to go on Fox News for example and say on national tv your all living a lie, I didn’t want to be the guy in the background. This is why I thanked Leo, because he basically saved me 80 years of my life having to research all of this stuff. Watch out Fox News, imma coming for ya claart blud.

If he's an INTP, then it suits him to be a philosopher.  In that he's functioning from his strengths.  Each personality has a different set of strengths.

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@Norbert Lennartz What nonsense... It's just too much nonsense I wouldn't even know where to start explaining it to you. Neither do I have the desire to because it's not worth the time and effort given that you don't seem to want to consider any perspective different to the one you already have. I'm just blown away by the levels of arrogance and ignorance...


Hard times create strong men. 
Strong men create good times. 
Good times create weak men.
Weak men create hard times.

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30 minutes ago, Norbert Lennartz said:

@Shiva Give up the IRS moderator job.

See? That's what I mean. I just don't understand why you are even here if all you're doing is attack people and try to convince them that your perspective is the right one and that theirs is wrong. Are you looking for validation? Otherwise this seems like a complete waste of time to me. Anyways I don't want to derail this topic even further...


Hard times create strong men. 
Strong men create good times. 
Good times create weak men.
Weak men create hard times.

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@Norbert Lennartz What is your solution for improving government? Which policies do you support?


"Be melting snow. Wash yourself of yourself." -- Rumi

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@Norbert Lennartz You seem to conflate the relative and absolute a lot. Be careful with that. Seeing through the illusions of the relative doesn't mean such illusions aren't useful in the relative. We bring understanding of the absolute into the relative to improve the relative. 

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24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Norbert Lennartz What is your solution for improving government? Which policies do you support?

Simple. Very simple. Make God great again.
§1 Everyone may leave with property in an orderly manner.
The rest does not matter. Do what you want.

Will you try me?
 

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27 minutes ago, Norbert Lennartz said:

Simple. Very simple. Make God great again.
§1 Everyone may leave with property in an orderly manner.
The rest does not matter. Do what you want.

I am speechless...

This sounds like what Trump would say if we gave him some LSD.


Hard times create strong men. 
Strong men create good times. 
Good times create weak men.
Weak men create hard times.

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56 minutes ago, Norbert Lennartz said:

Simple. Very simple. Make God great again.

Which God exactly?

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1) Military Dictatorship. (Worst, Best case scenario)
2) Aristocratic Whiggism. OR a Succession of States. New Republics (Better Scenario)

3) Local Jeffersonian Democracy. (With Global Nuclear, Biochemical Disarmament)

The next POTUS election is the last one where a Republican President can win. Demographically. Blacks, Hispanics, Asians. Vote overwhelmingly Democrat. White men the only demographic reliably votes Republican.

Hilary Got more votes than Trump. If Bernie Sanders was given the nomination despite having more votes.... Could well have been President Bernie Sanders instead. 

Worst case, but highly possible scenario "1984" made real. Tiny Elite the 0.001% That makes all the Bureaucratic decisions, due to Technology and Computerisation.

 


Of Interest: Aristotle(Teleology), Carl Jung, Christopher Langan(Holo-pantheism),  William James (Pragmatism).

Evil "Caesar's Wife must be above suspicion".: Plato (Ideal forms), John Stuart Mill (Anti-teleos Utilitarianism), Leibniz (Trinitarianism), Spinoza(Pantheism) Buddhism(Paradox), Jainism?(Hysteria), Nietzsche (Perspectivism) William James (Pragmatism). 

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21 minutes ago, Truth Addict said:

Which God exactly?

The God who allows the greatest self-realization and self-responsibility of each individual human being. God.

Who wants can limit himself to Bernie or whatever. Still God.
All lifestyles are possible. Then we will see, not "who wins", but how you win.
 

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Nice! Make God great again!

legalize weed, legalize LSD magic mushrooms 5 meo dmt.

I'm  not a fan of the other drugs, but to be fair we must legalize those too. People will naturally gravitate towards the better ones because it makes them more happy.

Subsidise meditation and yoga centres. Secular ones not religious ones. Give people incentives for meditating(sort of like what they did in Singapore for unis, but for meditation instead).

Don't make uni free. Uni can be learnt with online courses. Make apprentiships free. Uni is a waste of time. 

decriminalize all drug use. Get rid of 'victimless crimes' if there's no victim then it's not a crime. Any opposing opinion is karmic and dogmatic. 

Actually think about climate change and environmental impact. 

Australia - put more incentives in AI and technology. stop encouraging people to be lazy, also get rid of all those good for nothing conservatives. Also give more support to startups, they are the lifeblood to your country - not your farmers, they are old school. America - stop worrying about the military, put more money into science. Canada - keep going you're doing great! Along with Amsterdam. Infact Canada is the only country really acing it in the West.

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@Norbert Lennartz I know that tone and where it comes from. Arrogance is the main scent of ignorance and an easy one to smell. If you can't debate ideas without attacking those who support them, you've already failed. Beware. I've seen enough of your personal attacks full of irony and devilry. Name-calling is not the only way to offend people.

How long have you been doing inner work for? The relative level is a matter for the mind, but the Absolute is a matter for the Heart. Sharpen the mind to be intelligent. Soften the Heart to be kind and wise.

GOD, if fully aware of itself as a human being, works with the mind of men and the Heart of Earth. Enlightenment work is about unifying mind and Heart so that both work at their peak. If you're not willing to go deeper than the level of mind, you're stuck. And even worse, if you insist on using "spiritual words" to justify evil lines of thought, you won't be welcome here.


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40 minutes ago, Norbert Lennartz said:

The God who allows the greatest self-realization and self-responsibility of each individual human being. God.

Who wants can limit himself to Bernie or whatever. Still God.
All lifestyles are possible. Then we will see, not "who wins", but how you win.

This is exactly how it is already!

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21 minutes ago, ajasatya said:

@Norbert Lennartz I know that tone and where it comes from. Arrogance is the main scent of ignorance and an easy one to smell. If you can't debate ideas without attacking those who support them, you've already failed. Beware. I've seen enough of your personal attacks full of irony and devilry. Name-calling is not the only way to offend people.

How long have you been doing inner work for? The relative level is a matter for the mind, but the Absolute is a matter for the Heart. Sharpen the mind to be intelligent. Soften the Heart to be kind and wise.

GOD, if fully aware of itself as a human being, works with the mind of men and the Heart of Earth. Enlightenment work is about unifying mind and Heart so that both work at their peak. If you're not willing to go deeper than the level of mind, you're stuck. And even worse, if you insist on using "spiritual words" to justify evil lines of thought, you won't be welcome here.

Beautifully written. :x

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